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20:00
I really liked Sankarea.
@StackedCrooked same... is the last episode out yet?
@Mysticial Yep.
@StackedCrooked fuck
The ending sucks though. But that goes for 95% of anime series.
meh...
20:06
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Q: Server connection refused. What to do?

HugoWell, I'm creating a simple multiplayer game to test my skills. I developed the client and server versions and everything is running well on the same host. When I try to access the server from the WAN or LAN, the connection is refused. I configured my router's forwarding, port triggers and I ena...

I wrote something. It doesn't work. WHY.
So? What do we do? Ram this into the ground?
Alright, let's do this.
Bam, -4 in less than 5 seconds. Not bad.
> Well, I'm creating a simple multiplayer game to test my skills.
I guess the test result is clear.
Oh, @RMartinhoFernandes, y u so kind?
20:08
@EtiennedeMartel What do you mean?
@RMartinhoFernandes You left a comment!
I did downvote, if that makes you feel better.
I'm not judging you.
Haven't you heard? Downvote comments are noise.
20:10
Oh, right, that.
Did I miss some memo?
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Q: Should we not explain downvotes?

Henk Holterman Possible Duplicate: Encouraging people to explain down-votes This is from my Flagging Summary: [Me:] Where did my comment go? It was a factual explanation for the -1, and I did keep it strictly neutral in tone. – 7 hours ago [Mod:] declined - Comments regarding upvotes/down...

Hence I was right when I said "I will not say that I downvoted, but just explain what is wrong"
@CatPlusPlus doesn't that state that a downvote comment, explaining why you downvoted is good? That falls under constructive criticism imho
20:13
I didn't state that I downvoted.
@sbi: I agree. Stack Overflow is being destroyed before our eyes. — John Dibling 5 hours ago
Destroyed? Isn't that a bit exagerated?
Nuked, I say!
I like how none of the mods have the same opinion on the subject.
Coming up next: Moderator Overflow.
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Perhaps vote count shouldn't be updated immediately in order to avoid band-wagon effect.
20:16
It will always be there. It's inherent.
The only solution is no voting.
@CatPlusPlus mods.se
Or at least no public voting.
I wonder if things would be different if voting wasn't anonymous.
@CatPlusPlus Voting is what makes SO different.
Well, things would be much more interesting.
It could be tested. Post a neutral question and fake a negative vote count. See if people start downvoting as well.
20:19
Of course they will.
You can't really lose rep anyway.
Because nuked answers will be deleted, and you'll just get it back.
Yeah, downvotes should take 10 rep away instead of 2.
Or perhaps even more.
Rep penalties should persist through deletion.
If your answer has a score of 0, it shouldn't give you any rep.
Or just ban crappy posters on sight.
20:21
Ban everyone on sight.
Except for us.
Fuck SO, let's just keep this chat.
You have been banned! Reason: crappiness.
You have been banned! Reason: breathing.
Breathing is a bannable offense?
SA has a registration cost, right?
Yes.
Ban = 10$ gone with the wind.
And possibly more.
That makes the ban so much more effective.
Just changed my "about" text for the chat profile
> Most often my flags are warranted though.
My opinion is that no flag is warranted.
Well, not exactly "none". But the huge majority.
20:25
The system is broken.
Flagging should cost you rep.
I find it hard to care about flags.
BUT CHAT CANNOT AFFECT MAIN REP.
I just mark them as invalid every time I see them.
No sir.
You don't contribute to main when chatting.
Still, when someone does something bad, you can always just plonk him. Or counter-troll the shit out of him, as I have done before.
20:27
Maybe flagging should reduce the font size. Multiple flags make the message smaller until it disappears :p
If that person does something really bad, summon the mods, they'll handle it.
But flagging is so... unecessary.
Flagging anything should make your screen flashing alternating pink and green.
It's like someone who doen't know how to handle his problems, so he screams at the nearest authority figure.
This was faily English.
But you get the point.
@CatPlusPlus Or turn it into a Hot Dog Stand theme.
20:28
Are inappropriate flags penalized in some way?
Or display pictures of cats.
boys should have their screen go pink. girls should have their screen go blue
Yeah, that's the thing: there is no penalty for flagging like an ass.
(An ass flags totally inappropriately, if that wasn't obvious)
@JohannesSchaublitb I don't think our accounts have our sexes on them.
20:29
If mod happens by, and knows you're the one flagging (but you pretty much have to out yourself), then you might get suspended.
That's about it.
@EtiennedeMartel False. Asses don't know what flags are. They don't even understand how to use the computer.
@Insilico Well, it's not like there are girls on the Internet anyway.
@CatPlusPlus not if the flag was warranted
@Cicada I was referring to a bottom, not a donkey.
Misleading.
20:30
The system is broken. No flag is good.
@JohannesSchaublitb As I said, it's not waranted.
It never is.
I hate being so powerless against trolls and whatnot.
Flagging should be a last resort, because it annoys everyone in every room.
This chat is the only part of this site I actually care about.
20:32
What community is there on main, really? Old-timers that were here since beta, and since moved to meta, is pretty much the only coherent one.
Everything else forms around chat rooms.
SO proper has no real community.
And that's mostly because there is no way to discuss outside of meta or the chatrooms.
And chat creates strong communities, not "oh, I've seen that guy post somewhere before".
I hate that it's so marginalised.
Yeah, it's a spin-off of SO.
I mean, we're the biggest and most active room around, and we barely register on meta's radar.
@CatPlusPlus Troll back
I moved to another apartment today. I noticed that the kitchen has TL lamp where my previous had halogen lights. I found that TL lamps produce such a different and unpleasant atmosphere. So I Googled and found this and this.
20:37
Yeah, remember that Michelle Smith? She never came back after I started insulting the shit out of her.
I regret nothing.
So the second version of my UTF-8 validating conversion code is in fact faster than the first one.
By an amazing amount of 1.15 times faster.
Wonder how much faster would it go if I turned off the validation code
(probably not much)
Fluorescent lamps really need to be high quality to not suck tremendously.
Add some logarithms in there.
sbi
sbi
This is bovine excrements. The whole web is full of high-rep users whining about anonymous downvoters on Stackoverflow. As Alf noted, at the beginning, when you downvote, you are asked to explain your downvote. And that's what I do: If I downvote, I either upvote an existing comment explaining the problem, or I add my own comment saying "-1, because...". I used to not to do that, and I got involved in arguments more often than I am now, because now, if it comes to name-calling, I either ignore or flag the comments for deletion. Being sneaky buys you nothing. — sbi 9 hours ago
Ordinary bulbs FTW.
@sbi Yeah, I've seen it.
20:40
@Cicada Because floating point operations will certainly make my code go faster, obviously.
sbi
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, I think so, too. Still, I can see where @John comes from with that.
TBH, I don't care what happens on main, as long as chat is intact.
@Insilico Yes. Pretty sure modern Unicode implementations use SSE.
@Cicada Hmmm... I'm too lazy to make it SSE-enabled.
Did you actually think I was serious?
They use AVX.
20:42
@Cicada No.
sbi
sbi
@StackedCrooked That's not the problem. If some of those idiots out there sees his answer downvoted, and there's one criticizing comment there, then he'll jump onto the commenter, no matter whether that guy said he downvoted or not.
Let me see how well it works on non-English text.
@sbi Do you think such behavior is correlated with the tags of the question?
I haven't actually ran across something like that when answering C++ questions.
@sbi i don't care whether he will "jump onto" me. I will say what's wrong. whatever follows will be watched with me being entertained
one of the guys in the c++ tag is specifically "I am always right"-y. forgot his name
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Q: why not this is working with printf() in c

al amin hosainI have the following code, int i=1; printf((i==1)?" ":" " "hello"); printf(" " "hello"); And I am astonished to see that first printf give output only a space and second printf outputs a space followed by the string hello. I was expecting output like second one in case of first o...

Lolanswers.
sbi
sbi
@Insilico I dunno. In general, the type of users who ask and answer does correlate with the question. There aren't much newbie idiots doing template meta-programming, I suppose, whereas a lot of idiots are taught Java very badly. So, maybe there is a correlation between tag and bad behavior. But that's just guessing on my part. I didn't check empirically.
20:46
@Insilico Someone once send me an email asking why I downvoted him, just because I happened to left a comment under the question.
@CatPlusPlus .... The comment is not enough explanation?
I didn't downvote, and comment was unrelated to voting.
It just was there, so obviously I had to downvote.
sbi
sbi
I think the best way to avoid comment bitching is to remember that it always takes two to tango. If you stop replying, then there is no comment war going on. Sure, there might be one users going ballistic, but you can always flag a mod down on those.
So, no, omitting "-1" part of the comment will buy you nothing when you deal with stupid people.
20:48
@CatPlusPlus For a programmer's site where logic is sort of a requirement for programming there are sure a lot of people incapable of using it.
This is hardly a programmer site anymore.
It's more of a wannabe programmer site.
And majority of the population doesn't know crap.
sbi
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Which just goes to show that Robert is answer is complete and utter bullshit.
I think Robert's answer is perfectly fine
Oh, I found that mail.
Fuck I mistype file names again.
20:50
> sorry for my stupid question, but why you gave me -1 (stackoverflow.com/questions/5480032/…)?
"test_text" --> "test_test". -___-
> i'm sorry to blame you - i just see number 1 next to your answer that's why
See, the comment wasn't even directed at the OP.
Keeping all that email archive is somewhat useful, it turns out.
sbi
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Ah, c'mon now, this site isn't even 5 years old! The main thing which changed since the beginning is the site's incredible success. It's basically overrun by users. Yes, that also has disadvantages — but then you wouldn't want to leave to make more room for newbies either, so it seems stupid to complain about it getting crowded.
hi, anyone fancy coming on mumble?
If we left to make room for newbies, who'd answer their questions? :P
sbi
sbi
20:53
@CatPlusPlus I have a 15GB email archive that goes back to 1999. (That was when I last lost my emails through a HD crash.)
@TonyTheLion I'm sitting in my garden (mosquitoes eating me), and are online over UMTS. No need to even consider.
meh
another meh day
Every day.
I now have hard data that most hand-written optimizations are relatively pointless.*
Don't let @Mysticial hear you.
um wat?
20:56
*at least for what I did.
something about optimizations
Disclaimers cannot save you.
sbi
sbi
> Non-alcoholic beer is like a vibrator without batteries. It fills you up, but lacks the buzz. — Chris Burn
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Someone wants to die.
20:56
I unrolled some loops and used some lookup tables.
And in the end it's faster by 1.15 times. :-/
Non-alcoholic beer seems like complete waste of money.
At least it's not slower.
sbi
sbi
@Mysticial He is too lazy to jihad for himself, so he wants you to go ballistic.
Delegation delegation delegation.
20:57
Non-alcoholic beer is like going on a date with a hot girl and not going to bed with her.
can someone recommend a good windows shell?
So from a strict technical standpoint said optimizations were a win.
sbi
sbi
@Insilico Of course! It takes much longer to get drunk with non-alcoholic beer!
i got a windows terminal that is good (console2), but I miss a good shell
cmd.exe sucks
@JohannesSchaublitb powershell
user457812
20:58
Pururshurr
@TonyTheLion hmm. i thought it's more of a programmer environment for .net
bash or PowerShell, if you really need that.
@sbi I was talking about the two different UTF-8 converters I wrote.
is it like bash?
oh
20:58
@JohannesSchaublitb Sort off.
sbi
sbi
@Insilico Oh, you are boooring!
@sbi You get what you pay for.
@sbi I sometimes like to drink Jupiler Blue on a hot day. It contains only 3.3% alcohol. It's target audience is people who like a drink during the day but don't want the weariness caused by the alcohol.
powershell is surprisingly nice
I rarely use CLI.
20:59
Powershell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BAT files/cmd.exe

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