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@JerryCoffin Yeah, I treat it as writing a public diary, so I could read 10 years on and know what I did back now
I also made all the apps for myself, and share them with others
01:16
I spent my jogging time to think through autonomous (toy) car track design, I might got hang of it ...
whenever I have clouded thoughts I go for a walk or jog
sleep sometimes helps too
02:17
> Intrigués, nous avons demandé à filmer l’une de ces sorties : Apple a refusé.
allons bon
vraiment dégueu comme pratique
 
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11:29
@fredoverflow When a team member proposes to use a new, unproven language for a project <-- YES!!!
PLT => Programming Language Theory?
11:44
wow lounge so dead
@fredoverflow this is amazing, but I think has been ded for a while
@thecoshman yes
@BartekBanachewicz over four years :(
they should've just kick it out
implying that notepad is still useful in 2018 is just painful
it's not, but people still use it by default
and having a default simple text editor is valuable
11:55
which implies you still have to download your text editor of choice anyway
because now you won't even be sure if you won't fuck up your line endings
an absolute minimum is ST level of support for tabs/spaces, line endings and encodings, with conversions built-in
simple to use text editor I assume is what it meant
not simple to make
@BartekBanachewicz They wouldn't want to offer an incomplete system, a crappy editor is better than no editor in their eyes
@thecoshman It's just a display of extreme clumsiness imho
that during all those years not a single person was tasked to take a look at that thing
but hey they made a 3d paint
12:12
I know
ridiculous focus
instead they worried about making sure everyone got their updates
either drop it, or give it the masic level of functionality it should have
like, being able to handle line endings
or there is a looong list of basic programs that haven't changed since 95 that they are slowly upgrading by having their interns work on them
@Mgetz Better late than never I guess
if the new program isn't better it's scrapped and the next intern gets a shot
12:14
@BartekBanachewicz welcome to corporate america
@ratchetfreak it would take a competent engineer two weeks to rewrite notepad from scratch
Or they could just make an editor bundled with .NET dunno
@BartekBanachewicz but the competent engineers are needed elsewhere
> Only newer versions of Windows include an updated version of Notepad with a search and replace function.
woah
they never have 2 weeks to do any of the low priority projects and if they do they use them elsewhere
so they did actually do some work on that
> In all versions of Windows, Notepad uses a built-in window class named EDIT
this must go pretty deep in the windows internals then
12:18
some addon notepad++ functions don't have people to maintain them
I wonder if one can write a program using that class that's not notepad
MS seem to have no idea about loose coupling
Maybe windows.h has some stuff about it
they probably assume most people use ms word instead
even if it doesn't, shouldn't be hard to reverse-engineer notepad to do it
@TelKitty WordPad*
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12:19
@BartekBanachewicz That's a standard edit control. Basically all WinAPI programs use that.
@BartekBanachewicz and now they cannot change EDIT because other legacy programs use it
@BartekBanachewicz Why? MS word starter is free of charge and handles most basic tasks well.
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I'm fairly sure the whole point of notepad is to show off how easy it is to make cool programs. Notepad is simply an edit control with a menu.
If they add awesome features to it it will stop being useful for what it was made for.
does the new notepad also have a undo buffer larger than 1?
@ratchetfreak why do you need that, you shouldn't even make one mistake
12:22
@nwp "easy" "builtin-in WinAPI class"
@BartekBanachewicz well using the class doesn't look that hard, especially when it's just loading a file into it and saving it out
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Also deja-vu.
@ratchetfreak it can also do this
which I didn't know previous to this discussion so hey
@nwp do you have any source for this?
@BartekBanachewicz ffs
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@BartekBanachewicz No, hence the "I'm fairly sure" and "I think".
12:25
@nwp FTR I wasn't doubting you, I was just curious
@nwp AFAIK it's one of the oldest surviving parts of the windows code base
12:52
what is 'Extension of indications' when it comes to new medicine does anyone know?
13:13
huh I thought spurious wakeups didn't happen with modern OSes, apparently the counter for number of threads to wake is too small in windows... blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180201-00/?p=97946
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Q: Has the C++17 extension to aggregate initialization made brace initialization dangerous?

BarnettThere seems to be a general consensus that brace initialization should be preferred over other forms of initialization, however since the introduction of the C++17 extension to aggregate initialization there seems to be a risk of unintended conversions. Consider the following code: struct B { in...

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@Borgleader I envision a lot of foo(std::initializer_list) = deleted constructors in the future
@Mgetz would this really achieve anything? exhibit A
@LucDanton fun...
I guess the only solution is actual encapsulation if you need that kind of construction then
you can keep your public base and members by opting out of aggregate initialization
looks really silly if you just want default init though
struct my_own_non_aggregate: … private boost::non_aggregate here we go
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Am I allowed to ask questions in here?

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@JohnMeighan Sure. We respond well to questions like: "Gosh, how amazingly awesome are you guys?" :-)
17:03
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your message is truncated on starboard (from the "read and respect them"), doesn't fit well
Okay okay
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"ct them" is cut
WHY DOES IT GET CUT OFF
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Because it takes the byte length and not the screen width.
17:08
Fair enough
Pavel, Tver, Tver Oblast, Russia
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That's a 10 year ban
Ouch
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in C++ Questions and Answers, Apr 1 at 0:15, by Pavel
Dude, just give up on C++, horrible fucking language
Some funny stuff came out of that guy though.
They don't even link the user name in the quote? We should sue SO for violating the CC BY-SA license. Oh wait, we waved that right...
@nwp Quality coding.
17:35
Resistance is futile, huh? — user4581301 46 secs ago
Had to upvote this comment xD
@nwp What do you have to do to earn a 10yr ban
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17:53
@Borgleader I don't know what he did. My guess is very racist remarks.
 
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20:43
anyone has experience with the gitlab api?
It seems the API allow you to enable merge-request/continuous integration from the api but doesn'T let you set the permissions on both feature so if you're on a private repository it fails to set the permission
@BartekBanachewicz when you discover the windows kernel is actually built on top of notepad.
 
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I've experience with gitlab and it sucks tremendously
22:34
@nwp I'd guess it's less a matter of exactly what you do, and more a matter of persisting in doing it even after getting multiple warnings and shorter suspensions.
23:23
@SombreroChicken We should get a "Dicks out for Pavel" thing started

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