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Mistake 1: 4chan.
I liked to pretend I was a frog. Just an excuse to run around. Certainly never making believe is a bad sign, and quite abnormal.
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@JerryCoffin We had TV at home, and I did watch, but adults kept tabs on what I was watching. Since I haven't lived with a TV in >20 years, my kids grow up without TV. (Well, one of my ex-wifes has had a TV for a while, but she never watches, and the kids we have, having grown up without TV, aren't used to it enough to watch a lot.)
@Drise Um. Whatever that means.
@sbi Dammit I need to move to your country… sick and tired of couch potato culture. (Internet doesn't count.)
@EtiennedeMartel Lol at the shit tier.
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@EtiennedeMartel Is that Python I see in the hacker tier?
@sbi Everything is drawn with a lot of sharp triangles.
@Mysticial Yes.
@CatPlusPlus Is there a reason for that? Isn't Python a high level language?
@EtiennedeMartel Heyyy I like visual basic.
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@Potatoswatter Don't sweat it. Mine's one of probably 5 German households without a TV.
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What is that second language in the enthusiast tier?
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Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but me thinks someone with the nick @Potatoswatter shouldn't be held back by couch potatoes.
Might be Processing.
Yup.
@sbi Passive as they may be, I don't think swatting them all would be wise.
@CatPlusPlus Dammit, how come you always seem to know everything?
I'm awesome.
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@Drise Ah. Simple graphics. That's something nice for kids. Also, you need to know how old these films are. That one's from 1972, according to Wikipedia.
And I experiment a lot.
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@StackedCrooked Ask him a question about Polish grammar.
@Mysticial hacker tier, not low level tier
@sbi I'm don't know enough Polish to even know what to ask..
@thecoshman I would think that the hackers mainly mess with low-level languages.
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@StackedCrooked Ask some question about grammar in general applied to Polish.
But why would I do that?
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@Mysticial That sounds like a very strange assumption.
@Mysticial some hackers use python or ruby for scripting
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@StackedCrooked To see him not knowing something he ought to know?
ah... scripting hackers
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"Hacker" is such a silly term.
@Mysticial s/scripting/automating/
Well, I don't remember much rules when it comes to Polish or English.
@Mysticial I don't think hacker means what I think you think it means
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@CatPlusPlus You've said so before. That's why I brought it up. :b
@thecoshman I think you're right.
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"scripting hackers" use php and other shit :)
I think you dwell too much on a picture originating from 4chan.
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@thecoshman I think what you think what he thinks what it means might not be what they think of themselves.
I just learned that young Americans all over the continent consistently started saying "on accident" instead of "by accident". Nobody knows why.
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Q: C++: How can someone check if the said program was written by said person?

user1455380Because my C++ lecturer said he doesn't belive me that I wrote that program (which I did). He said he knows how to check whether or not I wrote that program. How can he check that? I can provide the program itself it that helps answering it..

@Mysticial generally, hacking is just re-purposing something, such as hacking your TV remote to be a hammer, or your hammer as a one shot 'tv off' remote
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@StackedCrooked I think this developed on accident.
That's a big accident then.
@StackedCrooked It was supposed to be a zombie outbreak, but someone mistaken a vial.
Life would be funnier if anything made a farting sound.
That went better than expected then.
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Ha, you sneaky bastard, thought you'd get away with copying John's homework, didn't you? Guess what, not even can I tell you copied it, I even find out immediately that you are asking about how I do that on Stackoverflow! Well, that seals your fate in my course then, I guess! — sbi 7 secs ago
Egads, it's the same person who wanted to design base class for all exceptions.
Stupid number usernames. SO should force people to set a sensible username.
@sbi are you very connected to that person or just bluffing?
yeah, I showed him!
The normal way people would do logging, is to use a logger. You seem to want to make extra work for your self. Most people will just a pre-made logging library, and use functions such as "log(WARN, 'potential troll alert')", or "log(INFO, 'ungrateful people tend to be ostracised')", or "log(ERROR, 'Out of fucks to give')" — thecoshman 24 secs ago
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@CatPlusPlus According to which definition of "sensible"?
Oh, wait, a sensible definition, of course. Silly me.
@sbi Not consisting of a number. :.
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¬_¬ someone is not going like my finish
Remembering numbers is really fucking hard for me.
@thecoshman Ban. Ban. Banana.
@CatPlusPlus too far?
Something with a word "fuck" on the main site? 3 meta posts, minimum.
In about 59 seconds.
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@Flexo I'm his fucking teacher!
@CatPlusPlus fuck it
¬_¬ a ban is only on the main site right... not chat?
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I'd explain to that guy that logging is a standard way of doing any logging in Python, but he doesn't seem to be the type of person to understand, so I don't care.
@StackedCrooked sorry, did I spell something incorrectly?
> The reputation going down, so painful. Please realize before downvoting I CAN'T delete it (even though I wish I could).
Now I have to downvote.
@sbi Woah, lol.
@sbi seriously?
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Of course not, you silly!
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I can't make a "don't call me Shirley" joke, because it doesn't fit. Dammit.
ITT Lounge<C++> question derail team at peak efficiency.
@CatPlusPlus scrap the rest of the comment then, Shirley must have your priorities
@sbi not sure if trolling ¬_¬
@thecoshman There's like zero information in the question that would allow sbi to know the OP.
10/10 perfect troll.
@sbi so you're teaching again?
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It still seems odd to me that anyone would take a course on just one programming language, even if it is C++.
@Potatoswatter I do loads of them, though, they are just one week course to get give me a basic grasp
We have predetermined course plan here.
@thecoshman Yeah, I mean like a semester.
And 99% of it is Java.
The things I have to suffer to get that damn degree.
When I hear older people go "I wish I was in school/uni again" I'm just "what".
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I don't think I had many modules in uni that where specifically about a language, it's just we had to use C++, or java for that one module <shudders>
@CatPlusPlus Clearly, you're not old enough to understand.
@CatPlusPlus dude, uni is a dodle
I wish I was younger and not have to be in school. But gods, never again.
you do like 10 hours a week
12 bloody years, and most of it complete waste of time and effort.
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kids to day
@CatPlusPlus Never say never again.
@thecoshman You do a lot more than 10 hours a week.
Lol 10 hours a week.
and if you don't like what you're doing, then you're fucked
of course, when the mayor said he'd made the sour cream porridge, he was joking. at best he'd helped a little for appearance's sake. i was the only one who didn't get it. :-(
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I sleep 10 hours a week during exam session.
you can't call your headhunter
you can't ask for a project transfer
and you can't complain about your boss if he's a dick
school is like Java- the instant you want to do anything other than exactly what some other dude ejaculated on to your face, you're fucked.
dude, come back once you've worked for a bit, then you'll know how easy uni is
it's a horrific environment that I would not wish upon anybody
Meh, your school.
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I actually like working more.
@DeadMG Um, how cushy a job do you expect? In school you don't get fired for complaining…
@Potatoswatter Bit of a downside when you'd really rather get fired and find a new job, don't you think?
You might fail a course for complaining, depending on who's in charge.
@DeadMG You probably don't want to get fired. At best, you want to quit.
@DeadMG r u sure ur boss isnt reading this?
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@CatPlusPlus It's possible to screw anything up. Failing one course still has limited consequences.
@RMartinhoFernandes True. But my point is the same- if you want to leave, you can't.
nah, school was awesome, barley 5 hours of work a day, strolling to supermarket for lunchie munchies, cost along doing the barley the faintest hint of work. Uni was even better, but that's mostly being old enough to head out and living on my own
At least here, academic environment is hell.
@DeadMG Oh well, I did.
@Potatoswatter Yeah, you have to pay for repeat, or start uni from scratch (depending on how many courses you failed et cetera).
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@RMartinhoFernandes Lucky for you.
@CatPlusPlus hardly, if they fail you, it makes them look bad. aslong as your not a dick, uni's will work to help you out
@thecoshman Ahahhahaha.
Ahahahahahaha.
@CatPlusPlus i had it pretty cushioned when i was teaching. still, the infighting one level above got to me. in various ways.
Right.
We have courses where 90% of the year fails.
Because the exam is a lottery, or a total nightmare.
@DeadMG what do you mean you can't leave? they chain you down or something?
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oh, I'm sorry
I meant the "choice" of "Leave school now and work in McDonalds for the rest of your life".
@CatPlusPlus We have that too, but mostly because 90% of students don't know shit.
We literally have profs that pick several people to pass, and fail the rest.
ooooh, you see, when you chose a uni, the trick is to not pick the one where every one fails and no one gives a shit
@thecoshman They don't give out the necessary information for that. Else they'd never get any applicants.
It's every uni that's worth getting into.
Anything below that level is a waste of time.
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@DeadMG going to uni is not the only way to get a decent job, it's just an easy ride for three years that helps you cut out about 10 years of grunt work
5 years. If you're lucky.
Meh, you're just a wunch of bhiners.
@RMartinhoFernandes I think you wixed up your mords
@thecoshman Well, I hate to break it to you, but that was the past. Even if you have a PHd or Masters, you still struggle to get a reasonable job now.
I do work and I prefer 8 hours a day, instead of 12-14.
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@thecoshman Yeah, I realized the joke only works for wunch of bankers.
Thank you very much.
@DeadMG because degrees are that easy
@thecoshman And extremely meaningless, but still entirely non-optional and entirely expensive.
Degrees are worthless, and thankfully people slowly are starting to not care about them.
@DeadMG can't really comment on expense part, they change it more or less every year don't they. I'm stuck with paying back £33 a month
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Anything below PhD, at least.
They give you three cosy years to work on your own stuff to actually show you are more then just a Bsc
And not always, either. I've seen people with PhD who have no idea what they're talking about.
meh, PhDs, they just show you are to stick at something longer then some one a Bsc
I hate, hate, hate, hate studying.
People I share the suffering with is the only good thing out of all this.
Well, and the job. The rest is stupid and I want it to be over ASAP.
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Of course not, you silly!
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you hate people telling you what to learn, or the act of learning it self?
@sbi which do you prefer for your opponents from today's match?
I hate the formal framework around learning.
@thecoshman They don't even tell you what to learn.
@thecoshman look who's talking
@DeadMG what uni you at?
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when people come in here with a memory issue with new[] delete[], we tell them to go learn smart pointers/RAII
that's telling someone to learn something
Uni is about telling someone to copy and paste from blackboard into memory
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@Potatoswatter: Regarding this question of yours — I have been teaching C++, and nothing pissed me off like students, in whom I invested incredible amounts of time and energy (which I did not get paid), simply copying their fucking homework, instead of getting me to help them to do it themselves.
@RMartinhoFernandes what opponents would that be? is it the final yet?
I can learn stuff. But fuck exams.
there's no additional understanding there over copy and pasting from Wikipedia
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@sehe The last QF determining Germany's opponents in the semi.
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also, exams are a statistically irrelevant sample that nobody with two brain cells would touch
@DeadMG then your not doing it right
@thecoshman Or my uni is not doing it right.
You have to pass the dumb exams, and they're usually just that — dumb and based on memorising stuff.
I had an Android/whatever exam, and one question was: fill the blanks. With API function names.
often they are yes, luckily my course was heavily waited towards course work, something like 75%
clearly, you two have managed to pick shitty uni's
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@RMartinhoFernandes Actually, I have no preferences. Well, when I think about it hard, I might prefer Italy, since I have seen Germany vs. England more often.
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@sbi Failclick.
@sbi So... does Germany play?
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when he see's it
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@CatPlusPlus What?
So, Italy vs England todays
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@sbi Eh. Plagiarism you expect. I taught in EE, where there was one right answer, and you need other means to determine that the student isn't just regurgitating.
@sbi You clicked the wrong buhtton.
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@CatPlusPlus Oh. Sorry.
@sehe Not today. Germany will play against whoever wins today's match.
@EtiennedeMartel the question being, WHY
@sehe Why not?
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The flip side is being falsely accused of plagiarism, especially when the teacher copied the assignment from somewhere else and opened up a window for cheaters.
I was accused by an English teacher, who was convinced that certain typos and a generally different style meant that the author wasn't me.
@EtiennedeMartel Science.
@Potatoswatter I don't know what the quality of the assignment has to do with the falsity of plagiarism-accusations
@sehe It doesn't. It relates to the likelihood of the accusation being made.
@Potatoswatter How about a teacher copying the assignment, slapping their own watermark on it, and then proclaiming with big red letters that copying is forbidden? :)
Oh god. I always wrote such egregiously long and rambling essays/papers that no teacher ever doubted it was mine. I doubt whether some teachers just graded some of it as TL;DR
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@CatPlusPlus suck it up
@Potatoswatter ? I don't follow.
@sehe I know for certain at least one of mine did that.
@thecoshman Never.
@RMartinhoFernandes That's really demotivating.
I "planted" some "mines" in the essay on purpose just to check. (I never cared for getting good marks, so I often did stupid things like that.)
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Point is: uni sucks, and I will not look back to it.
Not a single mention of them was made.
@sehe You won't be accused of plagiarism for handing in crap. (Unless a classmate handed in the exact same thing, which perhaps the most common case actually.)
I just discovered that Google image search returns many funny results for "sexual harassment".
After some more excruciating days I just wanted to curl up and never do anything related to CS, ever again.
If you hand in something flawless, when previous submissions were mediocre, on a completely generic assignment, that arouses suspicion. But the suspicion is unverifiable.
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@RMartinhoFernandes That is sooo WIN
That's one tasty peach.
My best experience was in last grade of primary school, I had handed in a paper on the (mandatory) subject of the wheather. It was 150 pages of typewriter-typed material (with hand drawn illustrations) plus 150 pages handwritten with all kinds of statistics, news reports.
The teacher handed everybody their papers back, with a grade. However, I didn't get mine back, because "He had given it to the other teachers to read". That really made an impression on me
really? that happened frequently to me
@StackedCrooked d !gi "sexual harassment" right now
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@Potatoswatter I usually had one case pretty early in the semester where someone would try to turn in someone else's slightly changed homework. I would make a big fuss out of it, telling everybody that I am required to throw any student out of my course on first offense. Then I'd say that I'd let it slip this one time, but that I'd do it after the book on the very next occasion. That did the job every single time.
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less so once I realized how pathetic the education system was and stopped caring
@sbi LOL. CS students taking my course were always baffled by the lax policies in EE…
@sehe There was this one time, where I presented a two-page report about some app we had to develop for some networking class, when everyone else had things with 50-100 pages. The first thing the teacher said to me was "Only this?", to which I replied "Have you read it? It's all there". Later when presenting the app, I answered every question the teacher asked with "It's right there on the report." It was really frustrating.
@RMartinhoFernandes yeah, I think I've learned to pare down to the essentials a bit later.
However, the 'Weather' paper was simply very broad and deep. That was just fun to do, since there is such a lot to tell about wheather phenomena, climates, predictions, regional seasonal effects, winds in stratosphere, categorization of clouds etc. etc. It was all there :)
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@Potatoswatter I don't know how the students fared with the professors when cheating thus (I was just an "external lecturer"), but I earned my money by trying to understand other people's code every day, so I considered it very easy to catch them.
@Potatoswatter english :)
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@RMartinhoFernandes It should be frustrating for him since he couldn't find a good enough reason to disprove your paper.
@RMartinhoFernandes Mistake #1: trying to hold the teaching staff to the same standards they expect of you.
I think it's also a mistake by a teacher to think all or most students are there to learn. I did a very successful thing replacing the introductory programming course at Bodø College with one based on more modern language and equipment. But the year after, with larger class, I gave an assignment about presenting guitar chords. A group of students led by three girls maintained that they couldn't do this because they didn't know how to play the guitar, and took that up in system. I learned.
with the lovely boost::visitor am I right in think that in order to a get data returned from the visitor, I need to pass a reference that can be used to hold the data, sort of like this... boost::apply_visitor(myVisitor(/* can use this to pass out values */), myVariant)
The guitar chord assignment was however very popular with the "good" students. They did graphical presentations that were really impressive (the assignment only asked for text output). And few of them knew how to play the guitar.
I remember my assembly teacher wondering a few months ago: "Oh crap, I can't remember. Can a byte hold 255 or 256 different values?"
Also my java teacher didn't know every class inherited from Object
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Oh well I stopped caring really. I just bring eyebleach whenever they give us source files written by them.
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Yeah, that's a very good school you got.
@Cicada eye bleach huh...
@thecoshman Yeah, eye bleach. To rinse my eyes hurt by int *arr = ( int * ) malloc (4 * nb_of_elements); // reserve dynamic memory
@Cicada yeah... it's taken on another meaning
No, it just has different meanings depending on the context.
@Cicada there's only one context for me :D
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Seems like it's the wrong one then.
it's never the wrong one
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When my students tried to turn in their homework program at the beginning of the course, they were always baffled when I waved the program away: "I am sure you have a program that somehow does what it is supposed to do; I am, however, interested in how you did it. Show me your code!" That was their 3rd semester, and they all said nobody had ever looked at their code before.
And that showed. Usually, the first 3rd of the class got all sent back to fix their code (the others learned by watching what I objected to).
@ScottW Never left?
@sbi sadly, too many teachers just want to see you found a solution, they don't care if you really understand it
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@thecoshman It's not about them understanding their own code. I sent them back for doing it all within main() rather than properly breaking it down into functions, or because they named their variables a and b. I was all about writing maintainable programs, no matter how small their task.
@Cicada well.... it is kind of subtle in how it varies :)
@CheersandhthAlf so they learned chords as a bonus.
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@sbi ironically, I've found my self more and more spending too much time just thinking about how to solve something the actually getting a move on with it
@CheersandhthAlf "and took that up in system" - what do you mean by that?
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@thecoshman Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
they complained, formally. they wanted to pass with as little effort as possible. i think it was a sign of the academic fighting that i never got to see the formal complaint, but i did get a verbal correction.
@sbi It wasn't that bad :(
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@thecoshman Well, I'm a bloody furriner. I have no idea what you were saying.
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Hmm.... I'm wondering about shared pointers again
later the college got more money so the horses presumably stopped biting each other so much. now it's called a "university".
How is it even possible to implement an atomic_load?
The shared pointer consists of two consecutive words (object pointer and control block pointer).
But you have to load those two atomically and update the pointer's usage count.
@KerrekSB long time no seen!
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@sehe Hehe, quite - been busy...
the guarantee on atomic is just that it's atomic, i think. not that it's efficient?
Hard to get answers in these days -- lots of really quick-to-post people around...
@CheersandhthAlf Allegedly the shared_ptr can be lockfree.
Maybe that's not true, though.
let's say the usage count is updated first
@JerryCoffin I was just trying to holder her to the same standards the other teachers seemed to hold themselves to: at a minimum, read what the students turned in. I mean, it was only two pages!
then the contorl block won't be deallocated by other thread(s)
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@CheersandhthAlf Then the pointer might get reassigned after your update but before you read it.
then the pointers in the shared pointer instance can be updated
finally the usage count in the originally referred control block, can be decremented
She didn't read it. I got the minimum mark, anyway, because she didn't want to bother.
We need shared_ptr<T> atomic_load(shared_ptr<T> * p) to "return *p".
@KerrekSB It's atomic. You have to test to see if it's lockfree.
So I want to say auto p = atomic_load(&global_data);.
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@KerrekSB well that's always a possibility, isn't it?
@RMartinhoFernandes Wut? Perhaps, file a complaint... that behaviour is annoying and bad for the school
@RMartinhoFernandes So, can it ever be lockfree?
Someone else could reassign global_data while I'm loading it (with atomic_store(&global_data, q);).
atomic only means the operation itself proceeds as if in exclusion, but an arbitrary amount of time can pass after that operation and the next executed instruction
Dunno, I don't know enough about the existing architectures.
@CheersandhthAlf Sure. I'm wondering though if there'll be a lockfree implementation...
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you could DCAS it, I guess
is it considered bad practice to use one visitor class for a variant, with a variant, ie using complex = boost::variant< foo, bar >; using moreComplex = boost::variant< simple, complex>
@KerrekSB No, because it's atomic. Atomic operations have a total order.
if shared_ptr is 2*sizeof(void*)
I've worked out a lockfree compare-and-swap, predicated on the existence of a lockfree load.
@RMartinhoFernandes I was talking about the earlier suggestion of incrementing the usage count first.
I think it would work to use one visitor class that can handle 'simple, morecomplex, complex, foo, bar' and it applies it self as it needs to
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It's perfectly valid to implement those with a mutex.
@sehe I never bothered about grades.
Me neither
Apr 2 at 8:18, by sehe
Sadly my teacher didn't really appreciate the effort that went into the software part so I got 7 out of 10 only :) That was a major flunk in my book
I grade my teachers. As long as they don't make it impossible to pass exams, I don't really bother
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's true.
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Well, the first half was really interesting. It's still totally open whether Italy or England will be Germany's opponent next week. Now let''s see what happens...
@sbi Oh my typos today
@KerrekSB Lockfree load of how much data?
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@sehe You should grade your teachers, not grate them. My students had to do that for me. I got anonymous feedback after every semester.
@DeadMG One shared_ptr<T>.
As per 20.7.2.5
@DeadMG a level of indirection solves all problems in software design...
@KerrekSB x86 and x64 can only load one pointer size atomically, not two.
@sbi is it true the Germans don't really consider there to be a big sporting rivalry with England? You're more concerned with some other country
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@sehe Make that another level of indirection. (Not everything is solved by only one level.)
@thecoshman What country am I supposed to be concerned with?
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@thecoshman The only country with which you could argue England has a sporting rivalry is Australia.
the English national football team is a joke and can't really rival anyone
@sbi not sure which country it is. But England 'loves getting one over jerry', but I here it's not really reciprocated
@sbi Portugal :P
@DeadMG You can do double-word compare-exchange.
@DeadMG just to football team?
@sbi welll... kinda obvious, but thanks for the precision
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So you can load two words, e.g. __uint128_t data = 0; cmpx(&source, &data, 0);.
@KerrekSB Double-word as in, 32 bits? Yes.
@thecoshman Cricket team's not a joke.
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@thecoshman 'loves getting one over jerry'? What's that even mean?
Now data contains the value of source.
It's a cmpxchg16 instruction on x86_64 I believe.
@KerrekSB I'm not quite how that actually works
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@Cicada Yeah, that works.
It's just a CPU instruction
@DeadMG Right, because no one else takes cricket seriously :P
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Someone should explain the dimensions of the gate to those Italians. They keep overestimating it.
data has to be aligned at 16 bytes for it to be atomic.
@sbi 'jerry' would be 'Grandads' name for the Germans. 'getting one over' is a common phrase for ... basically beating
i just discovered powdered milk
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@RMartinhoFernandes The only thing I am concerned with is that the Portuguese will be thrown out by the Spain and we have to endure yet another game by those Spanish. They are really boring to watch playing.
@danuker gratz
@danuker That could be good or bad, depending where you discovered it.
it's just like milk except it lasts ~7 times longer and you have to add water
On x86_32 you have the analogous situation for two adjacent 32-bit words.
@RMartinhoFernandes Australia and India most definitely do.
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i discovered it in a supermarket
is it like, 22 men on a field, 45 balls, and they keep on kicking the fake ball only
excluding the judge
@danuker Are you sure nobody saw it there before you?
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Damn, so much suspension!
A sports car?
in fact, cricket is a good analogy
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@Potatoswatter i feel i deserve credit regardless
@DeadMG Yeah. Not sure for what though
the England team spends about 10 days/yr playing or practicing together, there's basically no monetary reward for being in the England team, etc.
so surprise surprise, the England football team sucks
the England cricket team, you play for the England cricket team exclusively, play internationally all the time, best money best fame easily comes from only international cricket
surprise surprise, England cricket team now best in world, or very close
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@DeadMG What are you smoking? Right now they have a pretty good chance of being among the four best teams of Europe.
I used some powdered milk today, it's been in my fridge for several months. But I wouldn't say adding water produces something "just like milk."
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@DeadMG That's like the US being the Merkin Football world champions.
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@sbi The Indian Premier League of cricket is extremely competitive, and Australia too.
@sbi a short run of luck does not a good team make
@sbi People say that every year. England haven't actually delivered in a very long time.
Good for cooking, though.
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@DeadMG And I hear Canada and Mexico have Merkin Football teams, too.
"@Dani -- Not strictly true. The C standard is included in the C++ standard, so technically fread() and fwrite() are C++. However I certainly agree with you that stream-based i/o is considered to be much better style. – Michael J"
19:59
@sbi Having them != is actually competitive with the US.
Oh, god, why?
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@DeadMG Right now they are among the best eight European teams. /cc @the
@DomagojPandža Hi
@Potatoswatter did you add 25% powder to 75% water by volume?
@sehe Ahoy! Everyone's having a nice day, I hope?
19:59
@sbi Based on what? A statistically negligible number of games?
@DomagojPandža Link?

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