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12:52 AM
@wilx that's my minion
I lead by spirit!
 
1:49 AM
@LucDanton PvP? :)
 
yes indeed
 
I would go offline in PvP to avoid getting trash talked in PM
Some engineer builds do trigger some people
 
2:09 AM
@aprilwensel Stack Overflow’s users are toxic and pedantic to the point they MUST all be socially inept white dudes. The entire system is built to reward their behavior.
this thread is gold
 
herd of mediocre whatever
you might feel safer in the herd, you are still bottom part of the pyramid
I might be weird, I might be a loner, but I have no one above me
 
3:12 AM
> they MUST all be socially inept white dudes
 
4:09 AM
fair lady vs white dudes
 
autonomous toy car drains battery too quickly
like 8.1V to 6.2V after 5 minutes driving
 
4:51 AM
@TelKitty :D
 
5:10 AM
We should post revolutionary socialist music
 
@Mikhail Heh, what?
 
@TelKitty You are such a groupie.
 
I accidentally won it ... and since I won it, it's rightfully mine, kinda ...
also there is a really cool pen in it
 
 
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7:18 AM
Hello
When i want to add Class from Typelib wizard an error occurred on script of this page how i can solve this problem
 
If MFC's Typelib Wizard was a girl, she could give consent. Don't use tools that are older than you.
 
Thanks you
 
7:50 AM
@sehe lol
 
8:04 AM
@wilx How did you win it?
 
@fredoverflow I didn't. @TelKitty did.
 
@TelKitty How did you win it?
 
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8:20 AM
page not found
 
@StackedCrooked :)
 
Ven
8:57 AM
@fredoverflow paeg not foun
 
9:37 AM
@Ven syntax error
> To add a few words to that: Java doesn't shine in small pieces of code. It's hello world is absolutely terrible. It takes longer to start IntelliJ than it takes to create a simple Python script. However, when you have a big project, with a lot of hands on deck and changes getting merged all around you, you will start to see Java shine.
Kinda true.
This also applies to C++ combined with good tooling. Heavy use of templates often breaks the tools though.
 
Ven
@StackedCrooked That's because you havn't embraced monads
 
10:08 AM
I did some fine tuning of the autonomous (toy) car, now it's behaving much worse :'(
 
Tuning of what?
Steering?
 
steering and trottle
but now it's turning right instead of going straight
I am trying to increase the power and turning speed
but did it wrong
need to re-config
 
Is that very real-world?
 
in what ways?
 
I don't often turn hard, except when at intersections.
 
Ven
10:16 AM
@StackedCrooked I mean what it's saying doesn't mean much. You can say that about a lot of things. But I strongly disbelieve that java helps enough.
.oO( but we have checked exceptions... )
 
Most steering is very slight angles, and when not, is very slow.
 
but it accelerates much faster :x
just ... in the wrong direction
 
11:18 AM
@TelKitty if I didn't know that was a config issue, I'd make jokes about massive torque steer
 
 
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1:57 PM
@TelKitty @Ven That's weird, the link works for me... does the longer form reddit.com/r/java/comments/8e3npm work for you?
 
Ven
@fredoverflow it does
 
Maybe your ISP is blocking Italian websites? O_o
 
Ven
@fredoverflow it correctly redirects me to https://www.reddit.com/tb/8e3npm and then fails
 
@fredoverflow yes
 
2:30 PM
"But there are seven billion people in the world! I can't possibly stop to consider how ALL of them might interpret something!" "Ah, yes, there's no middle ground between 'taking personal responsibility for the thoughts and feelings of every single person on Earth' and 'covering your eyes and ears and yelling logically correct statements into the void.' That's a very insightful point and not at all inane."
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2:52 PM
google is now blocked in Russia :/
 
Ven
so long SO isn't...
It's gonna be real funny when they end up blocking StackOverflow and then can't look it up how to unblock it.
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If it's hosted on amazon it might get blocked randomly
so doesn't seem to be on amazon so I'm fine
slack has a few stuff on amazon and stopped working for a while until recently it came back...
@Ven Yeah it's ridiculous, I heard a couple of service at Moscow airport stopped working in the first days they started banning Telegram
The worst in all this is after blocking randomly everything, I still hear that Telegram is still working. But in the end I might start using Telegram because that's the only thing that will still be working
 
3:21 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Telegram was using google services and a few others to bounce around to avoid censors
 
including amazon
 
I love the fact that the russian authorities asked Google and Apple to remove telegram from their app stores globally, and have threatened to block both from business in russia if they don't
 
looks like they followed through on that thread for google at least
 
eh not really, I don't think that was a 'Let's block google' so much as it was 'Telegram is using these IPs, block them.'
 
Yes, Google is just collateral damage but still
 
3:30 PM
what amuses me is it took them this long to reach this point
 
Well I can understand from your point of view, but it's not funny when things stop working randomly
 
5:00 PM
@fredoverflow I thought it was well-explained but pretty slow-paced, however it's hard to judge such things when you already know all the material so feel free to ignore me ;p
 
5:52 PM
So this guy on meta is claiming to have built a full-proof word-filter that will catch any variant of a word (unicode, leet-speak, and even ASCII art):
@Mysticial - I wrote a phonetic "bad word" filter back in the day that used a highly modified Metaphone implementation, it pissed off a lot of angry tweens when they could no longer use 1337 speak to get around the naive brain dead filter I replaced. So unicode variants are not a problem. — Jarrod Roberson 2 hours ago
Please tell me this guy is just pulling my leg...
 
@Mysticial I call bull, but I think I know what they were attempting
in theory you can just strip joiners unless they matter
because honestly if that worked the great firewall would be a lot more effective
 
How many values does this Linked list show? — Christian Gibbons 18 mins ago
/cc @Mysticial check rev #
 
@Mgetz So either I misinterpreted his response to my ASCII art comment or he backpedaled when I mentioned captchas via ASCII art.
Either way, there's no way he's solving the ASCII art word filtering...
 
@Mysticial you might be able to, but I can't think of an algorithm that's not at least a high polynomial if not NP
 
6:08 PM
@Mgetz ASCII art word filtering is at least as hard as solving a captcha. Since you can represent a captcha as ASCII art.
 
because you have a matrix of possible sounds you can sub in, then you have to find the distance between the generated sounds and the target
@Mysticial computer vision ascii art? better hope you don't get the wrong font!
"System fails when using Comic Sans"
I can see that defect report now
 
Let's assume that he does have something that really does catch all normal words/phrases (non-ASCII art), a large part of these things is to see how well it holds up when someone intentionally tries to defeat it.
Like if you started abusing combining characters to make new ones that have sufficient "likeness" to a word or phonetic that the filter would otherwise pick up.
 
@Mysticial I believe the old marine adage applies "In the ancient war between armor and warhead, warhead always wins"
@Mysticial or... more likely slang would start to show up
 
@Mgetz Or instead of saying "downvoter", just say, "Hey asshole(s) who made the score on my post go down!"
 
👍 pretty much
personally I think SO err'd in getting rid of the 'too specific' close reason
 
6:21 PM
And if they try to ban the word "asshole" and its variants, then you could say, "Hey person with a large hole on your rear end! Why did you make my score go down?"
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@Mysticial "Pie exit hole"
 
Or "the cavity where ingested solids leave the body".
 
"Ingested solids departure port"
ok I'll stop now
 
6:44 PM
@Mgetz Is there a more scientific word for "solid"? Like something like, "matter that has a stable crystalline structure."
 
7:03 PM
no
 
 
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8:40 PM
@Mysticial randomly curious, is the Xeon-W just a core-i9 with ECC and more PCI-E?
 
@Mgetz I think so. Not sure about the PCIe since it depends on how it's counted. The chipset takes up 4 lanes.
 
ah so officially the Xeon-W has more lanes, but now that you say that I'm thinking the consumer chipset uses the extra 4 lanes
because it doesn't have vPro
honestly with ram counts getting as high as they are I think AMD's 'Just let them have it' approach is probably better
so yeah it's looking like my next system will very likely be a Ryzen 2 threadripper
 
9:10 PM
though RAM prices are going up as well
so that may end up being the limiter
 
@ratchetfreak And they did indeed go up again by a tiny bit after Ryzen+ launched.
I can't say if that's actually the cause. Because the price increases I've seen also affect the 8 x 16GB kits which aren't for Ryzen anyway.
The last time I've seen 8 x 16GB kits go over $2000 was January.
 
maybe more people picking the lesser ram sticks for their intel system after seeing the price
trickle down economics...
 
don' remotely work
 
@Puppy It can in this case once you factor in the speculators. Consider this situation:
1. Ryzen+ is launching. Speculators expect there to be an increase in DRAM demand.
2. The increase in DRAM demand is expected to drive up prices.
3. The speculators preemptively rush in to purchase all the available DRAM in the hope of selling it for a profit. (i.e. scalping)
This blanket purchase of all DRAM will spill over into all types of ram.
 
9:27 PM
aannd... how does this "work"?
 
@user703016 ben dis donc, j’avais complètement raté le délire nsfw derrière ce dernier rebondissement
 
@Puppy The point is to explain why the 8 x 16GB sticks are going up in price even though they're not compatible with Ryzen. A combination of speculators as well as an increase demand on the lower-end part forcing people with high-end compatible systems to buy the high-end parts.
 
ah
I meant "work" as in "produce any remotely useful outcome"
 
oh
When Ryzen 1 was about to come out, I tried to grab my memory a week early in anticipation of this hike in ram demand and prices. But a week was too late. Newegg canceled my order because they oversold.
I was pretty pissed. But I ended up getting a 8 x 16GB kit a few days later (which hadn't yet sold out). The goal wasn't to put it in my Ryzen (it won't fit anyway), but to put in my Haswell system (which can take it) and use the existing ram in that Haswell system in the Ryzen build.
IOW, I directly contributed to that trickle-down.
If it weren't for Ryzen, I wouldn't have picked up that 8 x 16GB kit. (which is now retailing at more than double the price I paid for it, lol)
 
Dude, we gotta sell RGB laptop ram
 
9:38 PM
@Mikhail We absolutely do. There are desktop mobos now that take laptop memory. They wouldn't be complete without RGB ram.
Likewise we need RGB server memory.
 
Sadly, you can't download more RGB RAM
Also, in the future, workstation motherboards will take high speed phone RAM
 
damn
do DRAM manufacturers just not build enough factories?
 
@Puppy They're just price fixing at this point.
 
You can tell its price fixing because 1) server RAM hasn't moved 2) cell phone RAM hasn't moved 3) laptop RAM hasn't moved (as much)
server RAM is actually getting cheaper GB
 
Laptop ram has definitely moved. I bought 2 x 16GB for my laptop back in 2015. The same kit is double the price now.
And I didn't even catch it at the lowest point.
 
9:46 PM
Idk, 16 GB modules are still $170
That was my cost in 2015
 
I bought 2 x 16GB laptop DIMMs for $200 flat back in like November 2015.
 
Nice steal
 
And I can't believe that I actually bitched at that price back then.
 
In addition to the slight upward trend, desktop RAM explodes in standard deviation
That means that products are somehow differentiated beyond their obvious specs (RGB?)
 
@Mikhail They don't do 16GB DIMMs which is kinda disappointing.
 
9:49 PM
fucking plebs
 
I feel like I'm the only one in the world who gets max density ram.
 
@Mysticial despite being busted for it multiple times, even criminally they don't stop
 
Except that you didn't actually install it
 
@Mysticial I found 32gb dimms once, not useful though since no non-server board supported that size, and it wasn't ECC registered so neither did any real server board
 
I want to see overclockable server memory. Especially to see how much ECC can correct for OC-related errors.
 
9:53 PM
> Somehow a reboot fixed this. I have no idea why.
 
@Mysticial So, my Super Micro mobos have a ton of overclocking settings for memory
 
@Mikhail But do they work? You can't overclock memory unless the CPU is unlocked.
 
On the other hand their exterior is bullshit and caused me to line the case with cardboard less loose a $16,000 computer to electrical shorts
@Mysticial No, clue. I gave up on that computer because of zfs.
shakes fist at ZFS
 
@Mgetz The fines a probably a couple orders of magnitude to small for them to care.
 
@Mysticial IIRC executives went to jail
 
10:04 PM
Oh they did? The current execs must be receiving very nice bonuses to volunteer for that.
 
@Mysticial sneaky suspicion the justice department finded them for at least twice that amount
 
 
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11:14 PM
You know what grinds my gears, cameras that don't let me get the raw bayer readout, and instead do some proprietary magic in hardware. Now I got 2 code paths! One for hardware demoasic, and another for software :-(
Also the proprietary magic seems to work really, really well for Zeiss cameras
Also my compute back end is going to be constantly resizing a vector, which feels dirty
Input is 1 channel float, and after demosaicing its a 3 channel float, which is probably going to lead to hilarious memory fragmentation problems
 
11:47 PM
Pretty pissed off that so much of the quality in color camera images is hidden behind layers of hardware and software engineering
I just wanted a device that counted photons :-/
But it looks like the demosaic algorithm also affects the sampling criteria for color cameras, and is the real reason one sees a color camera with a 12 megapixel sensor that, if it was, gray scale, would actually way, way, over-sample the field. But in reality this is an attempt to compensate for a low quality bayer mask + demosaic algorithm.
But it also makes questions like: "what kind of sensor should I use" almost unanswerable
 
@Mikhail pretty sure you need specialized device for that
 
no
If you want high efficiency you can use a PMT, but many industrial black and white cameras have a QE of like ~60%+, which means you can see the photons you counted, then you can convert to ev with a lookup table, after calibration.
Humans, can also, almost see single photons
Shot noise is "seeing photons"
 

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