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1:00 PM
@DomagojPandža you discounting the wii u?
 
@DomagojPandža Yeah this retarded console generation has been holding PCs back for quite a while now.
 
@thecoshman I abandoned hope for Nintendo when they pushed Wii with a fixed function pipeline.
Witcher 2 looks beautiful. Plays beautiful. And it's awesomely mature. But its beauty has been done at a price, it's heavily segmented and lazy loaded. Could be done much better, but they are a young studio making really nice games and try really hard.
Releasing the Enhanced Edition for free, true gentlemen.
 
@DomagojPandža Segmented and crazy loaded ? In graphics regards what ?
@DomagojPandža Oh, you might know the answer. While I do not mind it at all, why in Witcher when i look close at whatever, it looks like as if it had "weird lines" crossing it ... like a weird fabric-ish feel.
 
Too bad no one copies Crysis shadowing. begone with ugly pixel shadows
 
@ScarletAmaranth Lazy loaded and segmented means that parts of the environment are loaded on a need-to-see basis, but not frequently updated to make it seamless. It waits until you're at a door, then starts a clumsy animation while it loads the next "room/section".
 
1:04 PM
any one here good for some BASH wizardry?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Weird lines alternating? That is improper depth biasing (problem with shadowing)
 
well, just general *nix file piping
 
@thecoshman cat file | program That's as far as my wizardry goes :)
 
@rubenvb Shadow mapping with PCF is pretty performant and gives nice results, usually most people don't give it much thought.
 
huh...
 
sbi
1:06 PM
> I love the smell of C++ in the morning — Kate Gregory
 
@DomagojPandža Not exactly alternating, think sprite with very thin lines "segmenting" the whole thing in many pieces, difficult to notice while not focused on it though.
 
@DomagojPandža PCF?
 
well, want to be able to read form a file from a few places in my script, but I don't want to have to keep passing around where in the file I am and using head/tail to get a line at a time
 
Percentage Closer Filtering, it takes the hard edges and uses the available data to blend it as it goes out towards the edge, for soft shadows.
Penumbra effect
Works nice with classic shadow mapping
 
@DomagojPandža but the way it looks in Crysis is just a bunch of spots (laser specks), there's no huge pixels anywhere (as seen in things like HL2 or the UT3 engine).
 
1:09 PM
@DomagojPandža Oh, also, Witcher 2 is well optimized as far as I can tell. My single 5970 can run it with all settings ultra at 1920*1200 at 80 fps, and it looks so much better than anything else I've seen.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Sounds like a slight depth bias deviation, I'd love to see a screenshot if you have one :D
 
@DomagojPandža Hold on, I'm gonna grab one ;)
 
@rubenvb The method is just a bit stochastic, similar to "classic" methods but integrated over their solution for global illumination with cascaded light propagation volumes (a bunch of virtual point lights capturing reflective shadow map information (using them for radiance transfer))
That's why it seems pointish
But usually Crytek "secrets" are the work of students at universities.
Jimenez devised the technique they use for subsurface scattering which is separable in nature (hence, called separable SS)
Kaplanyan & Dachsbacher developed the GI solution which is not really amazing, but gives nice results when scaled way down. Still better than the solution Square Enix gave with their bidirectional path tracing (around ~70 ms per frame, far from interactive)
 
@DomagojPandža imgur.com/hoIY9
@DomagojPandža It's very visible on the wall and also on witcher's hair. Lines crossing the whole thing.
@DomagojPandža (vertical lines to be precise)
 
Definitely not a depth bias issue, this one is almost a squareish pattern applied across most of the geometry.
 
1:17 PM
@DomagojPandža Yeah, it's weird.
@DomagojPandža But imgur amplified the effect a lot, rofl.
@DomagojPandža It's barely noticeable in the actual game.
 
That's because it itself is a byproduct of a postprocess.
 
@DomagojPandža Still, isn't it weird ?
 
(stuff applied in screenspace)
It is, let me see something
 
@DomagojPandža It's the only game i've seen it in yet.
 
> software engineers generally have a reputation for being arrogant, disagreeable, and moody - The care and feeding of software engineers (or, why engineers are grumpy)
 
1:22 PM
@thecoshman That's untrue :)
@thecoshman Disagreeable by nature, the rest is bananas.
 
I actually love to be proven wrong, as long as it is not
Hmm, how to express it...
 
@DomagojPandža So what were you going to try ?
 
"HAHA, I OWNED YOU bla bla"
I was going to run the game to see if it's there for me too, I'm at the main menu
 
Is it possible to buy "Overview of the new c++ (c++11), Scott Meyers " somewhere? I can't even find it on amazon
And I don't want to buy it in some PDF format
 
So I've found a smallish company in town that do general 'IT solutions' looks to be a small company. Doing things like web-dev, infrastructure, hardware support etc, you know, general B2B computing related stuff. Not sure if I want to see if they have any jobs. I know I don't like it here, but I'm not sure if this place would be worth the risk of ending up in an even shittier job
 
1:26 PM
@thecoshman The way you put it, you might end up not programming but doing something else :)
 
> Nicholas, you’re worth more than your code. Whatever your next gig is, make sure that you’re not a short-order cook. Don’t accept a job where you’re told exactly what to build and how to build it. You need to work somewhere that appreciates your insights into the product as well as your ability to build it.
sport on description for me
 
@thecoshman What exactly do you risk? Then you'd be going from "trying to find a better job" to "trying to find a better job"
 
@ScarletAmaranth other then maybe web-dev, but that is not so bad
@jalf touché
 
and, of course, part of the job application process is trying to find out if the job you're applying for is any good
 
@jalf From "Well I can survive those 8 hours" to "Oh my, I think I'm going to stab myself in an eye with a fork." ?
 
1:27 PM
There's no law that once you've sent an application, you have to take the job
A job interview, if you get that far, isn't just for their sake to weed out applications. It's also a tool for you to weed out bad employers/workplaces
 
yeah, me think's tonight I shall start getting the CV up to scratch and get in contact with them
if I do get a new job, at least I have a dozen days of holiday to be paid for :D
 
Pompopom.
 
@EtiennedeMartel huh?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Pomppopmomop ?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Yup, confirmed it, it's the postprocess antialiasing method which are based on analyzing the screenspace color information with subpixels which might vary in size (not real pixels, just data points blended over)
Probably a variant of MLAA / FXAA
 
1:30 PM
@DomagojPandža And how exactly did you figure that out ?
 
Hey all… any serious G++ torturers here?
 
@DomagojPandža Well, anyway, it's difficult to notice in the actual game unless you're starting at the sodding thing like I sometimes do when I find myself breathless ... the game looks the best and runs at great framerates.
 
I'm looking at the source and it appears to support conversion function templates, but there's a bug and I can't figure out what syntax would allow it to actually process one.
 
I saw a blocky pattern resembling my previous work with lower quality AA approximations, fired up the game with standard AA (not UberSampling) which is 100% a postprocess because of the deferred pipeline and then just testing the hypothesis by switching it off.
And true enough, it was gone :Đ
 
@Potatoswatter hah, good luck with that :P
 
1:32 PM
Try it yourself, just switch off AntiAliasing in the config
 
@rubenvb Is that just a snappy comment or do you have a clue or a pointer to something somewhere?
 
@ScarletAmaranth it does look like some crappy AA to be honest.
 
Don't turn on UberSampling, that thing uses a mega depthbuffer to construct the subpixels and then average them together.
If you don't have a powerful machine, that is.
 
Ell
Ogre::RaySceneQueryResultEntry is such an annoying name :L
 
I think I have an idea how to fix the compiler, but want to know the state of affairs… thought I'd ask here before asking on SO proper before wading into Bugzilla before the mailing list… so many steps…
 
1:34 PM
@DomagojPandža My settings are all on + all ultra (or highest possible) with the UberSampling turned off. But it's playable even with the ubersampling on actually. While 5970 is like 2 years old, it's still rather amazing.
 
@Potatoswatter don't forget copyright sign off for GNU :)
 
@rubenvb I've already made 3-4 contributions
 
@Potatoswatter ah. nvm then.
 
Ell
I have a gtx 560 ti cu II. I only really play miencraft though :s
but I do run the unigine heaven benchmark :P
 
Two HD6990s here :Đ
 
1:38 PM
Yeah I think I don't like you ^^
 
One HD6970 with enormously loud cooling here.
 
Ell
I don't understand why people have two graphics cards?
 
Me neither.
 
Ell
who needs that much graphics processing power?
seriously?
 
If you need two GPUs, you either have 6 screens, or a terrible game.
 
1:39 PM
Well, my 5970 is basically 2* 5870 packed together, why not ? Runs games well :)
 
Or some cool GPGPU code to run :)
 
Ell
with 6 screens fair enough
yeah or bitcoin mining or something
 
@ScarletAmaranth huh? That's new to me.
 
@rubenvb What is exactly ?
 
@ScarletAmaranth I thought the X970 cards were very single GPU. The X990 ones are two-GPUs-on-a-chip.
But I guess I'm wrong
 
1:41 PM
@rubenvb That would be incorrect, I think x9yz is 2* GPU.
 
6970 is single GPU.
 
Interesting.
 
6990 is double GPU.
hence my confusion. I guess there's no 5990 then.
 
All of you are advised to close your computer and go to bed because the world end is near
2012 is here
 
@MichelleSmith Haven't we done this like 3 times already this year?
 
1:44 PM
2 hours ago, by Domagoj Pandža
One more to the ignore list, where have all the nice new people gone?
 
Michelle Smith... Smith...
 
@rubenvb imgur.com/3ja6j (The clocks are the ones at the bottom, the ones it's displaying are the current auto-adjusted because I'm playing some accelerated stuff on youtube.)
 
@ScarletAmaranth yeah I believe you. I was confused with the branding on the HD6XX0 series. This proved it for me :p nl.hardware.info/reviews/1590/2/…
 
@rubenvb Yeah, it's a beast (size - wise), rofl.
 
1:46 PM
Anybody wants some RAM? :P
 
@DomagojPandža Can haz some RAM ? :P
 
Ell
16gb? :O
 
@MichelleSmith Weren't you banned last time you tried trolling everyone?
 
Would've put 32 GB, but DDR3 cookies with such capacity weren't available. :(
 
1:47 PM
@DomagojPandža 4x8GB RAM is possible no?
 
Mhm, I've got 3 * 2GB and it's enough, for now.
 
Yeah and today iam here to take revenge
 
Yeah, 8 GB cookies weren't available at the time, planning to change that next week :D
 
@DomagojPandža Lucky bastard.
 
ah, store availability
 
Ell
1:47 PM
I have 8gb
 
3x2GB here
but if I was desperate, I could buy a lot more
but need to save moneys
 
Ell
how do I check the size of my chips?
i cba to open case :L
 
dxdiag
oh, the size of your cookies
well, take a peek inside
 
Ell
just remembered I have speccy installed
I haev 2 x 8gb
kingston
 
1:50 PM
When will DDR4 come out?
 
@MichelleSmith Careful with that, we're quite an hostile bunch.
 
What is the fullform of c++
 
Ell
according to dxdiag, on display 1 & 2 I have 4050mb of mem, on display 3 have 1696mb
what memory is that on about? graphics card memory?
 
@rubenvb phft, ddr4 I want pcram (cause it sounds cooler)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Also, we can ignore people and bin their messages
 
1:51 PM
@MichelleSmith Whaaat?
 
@thecoshman I think PCRAM is what happened before DDR.
 
@Ell dxdiag also includes the windows RAM-as-vRAM (in XP this was called Turbo Memory).
 
What the fuck is a "fullform"?
 
like php hypertext preprocessor
what is c++
 
1:52 PM
times 4 :Đ
 
{| class="infobox" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=3 rules=rows align="center" font="3" style="font-size:85%; width:200px; margin: 0 0 01em 1 em; border:1px solid gray;" |- ! style="background:gray;" | style="font-size: larger; color: white" align="center" colspan="2" | Colorforms |- | align="center" colspan="2" | |- | align="right" | Creators | Harry and Patricia Kislevitz |- | align="right" | Manufacturer | Colorforms Corporation |- | align="right" | Era | 1951(?) - Present |- | align="right" | Materials | vinyl |- | align="right" | Country | United States |- |} Colorforms, invented by Harry...
 
Aaaand Michelle Smith ignored SUCCESSFULLY! :)
 
I am thinking about unleashing their full power, the factory clocking switch is still sealed.
 
what .........
 
Als
@MichelleSmith C stands for C language and ++ stands for operator ++, it signify's C++ has evolved over C
 
1:53 PM
But, I think I'll reserve that for the day they start going out of fashion, then unlock both.
And then act like I have new GPUs :Đ
 
okay now what is full form of c in c language
 
What does full form means?
 
Full troll form.
 
I'm gonna plonk her to death.
 
like Ed has full form Etienne deMartel
 
1:55 PM
@DeadMG phase change ram, so new tech that's on it's way
 
Some smart people are currently starving.
Michelle has access to a computer and is well fed.
 
Damn, yeah, I'm starving.
 
@MichelleSmith It's "de Martel". In two words. Learn to read, jackass.
 
Als
@MichelleSmith "C" because its features were derived from a language named "B"
 
1:56 PM
And B was derived from A and A from God.
 
time to ignore michellesmith
 
I like how @Als is all serious and shit despite the fact that @MichelleSmith is obviously trolling and spewing nonsense.
 
catch up people, plonked that troll ages ago
 
He's still not typing carefully…
 
@EtiennedeMartel @ALls plonk the troll and move on
 
1:57 PM
@DeadMG Welcome to the club.
 
If I plonk her I won't be able to counter troll.
 
what even is plonking
 
@DeadMG not plinking
 
The sound of a turd hitting the toilet water?
 
@DeadMG the sound some one makes as the fall all the way to the bottom of the ignore pile
 
1:58 PM
Hello Am i ignored
 
@DeadMG Ignore.
@MichelleSmith Not by everyone. But you're still an idiot.
 
Als
@MichelleSmith I answered your Q, unless you've ignored me you should've got your answer.
 
Ell
does anyone understand this reference? "I'm so cold because I'm covered in aardvark cum"? or "aardvark cum is frigid gas" or "aardvark cum is cold as ice"?
 
yeah i love to be an idiot
 
1:59 PM
@Als LOL just because we asked everyone to ignore her does not imply that she will ignore everyone in retaliation.
 
I got the term fro @Sbi
 
@MichelleSmith Keep going. It's like you were dropped on your head too many times when you were a kid.
 
@Potatoswatter idiots do idiotic things
 

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