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04:00
Isn't it something connected to ABAP?
Server thingy.
But speaking of Java -> C++ path, that's a bit nasty.
Luckily the rest of the Lounge is not here to grief.
haha..okay..I am just got in to a contract thinking it was c++ alone...
contract job*
It seems to me that you're in the world of business applications.
Java to C++ is a very nasty path
Usually C# and it's .NET backdrop is really useful for such purposes.
yea...It is..I find C# fun...
04:03
you think you know how to do OO, and then you discover that Java is a tiny little toy compared to the roaring engine of C++ and there's so much you don't know, you don't even know where to begin
And Visual Studio offers things like Forms which basically let you layout the UI and connect functionality to it. I don't know how severe you want to get in.
Native C++ linking into the WinAPI is punishing at the beginning and very raw, but can be rewarding if you code some useful functionality which simplifies development.
okay...thanks
Have you considered picking up a good book on the subject?
and it's fairly easy to write something better than MFC
I am gonna ask help from my manager...since i am the only software engineer in my comp..
:)
to hire someone experienced
04:07
Oh, you already have a job/contract?
DeadMG, this must amuse you, a bit at least. :Đ
sadly, it does :P
yeah..i am doing a contract job.
3 months over...implemented some algorithms in c++..
but the job needs more expertise in c++
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Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are released every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a good C++ book...

It's a long way to the top if you want to C++.
yea..i know..So,I am gonna say bye to c++..and switch to c#...
for now
That guy who tried to cast a pointer to a certain type into a void* and pass it in as a reference to a typedefed void* to a function which copies the object, I wonder if he, too, has a job. What do you think, DeadMG? :P
04:15
I'd rather not :P
@DomagojPandža you'll maintain his code someday
I'd rather think about all the chocolate I'm going to buy in 45 minutes
to dull the pain of my joblessness and qualificationlessness
you always can do some freelancing
If this crap of a country enters the European Union in proper time, I'll have a job for you. Most definitely. Unless you find something in the meantime. Most graduates here can suck donkey cock.
What amazes me is that your SO portfolio of answers alone should be enough for a perspective employer.
And still, HR drones.
It's their loss, there's always someone ready to add some void*&s into their codebase.
Probably has a magnificent degree to boast.
lol
in this country, as far as I'm aware, if you advertise a job publicly, you get so many applicants that you have no choice but to filter by degree
04:29
I advertised a job publicly. Got a bunch of graduates and older shoehorns who haven't got the slightest idea about the requirements, but need money desperately. Also, I got a call from a woman which offered me economic services.
lol
I didn't even state that I need anything close to that. People are so desperate to find a job in this economy, they try everything.
I agree
even if you are a graduate, it's tough to find a job
very tough
I swear to quantum mechanics, if I hadn't ended the conversation quickly, she would've started crying and I would've felt really bad.
She had that type of voice when you are ready to burst into fucking tears.
I hate that.
me too
I'm struggling enough to get along as it is, and don't really have room for carrying someone else
04:33
She managed to mention she has children to feed and her husband recently lost a job. It was really awkward.
that's tough, man
you gotta have balls of steel to turn down that kind of applicant
It's the whole damn world it seems, I thought it was just Croatia.
oh no
it's the whole damn world
except some developing countries like China, India, Brazil
the ones who loaned the money that we, as developed countries, borrowed
IMO we should have let our banks collapse, I've little sympathy for reckless lending equally to reckless borrowing
give the depositors their money back and let the lenders/stakeholders take the fall
I don't really understand economics, luckily my old man has a PhD in the exact field, he's been really helpful with a lot of that stuff. What I really can't grasp is how people can go even more into debt when there is no more actual money to borrow.
How does that solve anything?
it's exactly like virtual memory
you can allocate more than physical RAM
04:37
Paging it out. xd
however, analagously, if physical RAM actually does run out... then your performance, she drops through the floor
which is what happened here
too much paging, too many allocations, not enough physical RAM
user457812
I have gotten nothing of value done today. That's disappointing.
happens to me all too frequently
I've done way too much math and way too little code. Got irritated by stupid code on SO and forgot to run today.
All in all, a lousy day.
lol
user457812
04:41
I'm just debating how I want to handle the renderer in my engine now..
in my experience
very, very goddamn delicately
user457812
Originally thought about tying geometry to entities and whatnot but decided that was stupid
the D3D9 API is a fan of silent failures- it's super annoying
user457812
OpenGL is the same.
user457812
If you don't call glGetError religiously, there's probably something exploding in the background.
04:43
oh, that's not as bad as D3D9
when I said silent, I meant silent.
no failing return codes, nothing
Silent failures are an idiotic concept. if something that is being called upon in code does not work/ is not supported, you need some runtime checks to provide fallbacks.
well, I the developer need to goddamn know about it so I can fix my code
Luckily, I'm D3D10/OGL4.0+
my existing rendering pipeline fails to render on most of the mobile chipsets in here, silently
user457812
So you can't even get error codes or something from it?
04:44
yep
user457812
Fuck me.
well, they do return error codes, they just don't return failing error codes, even when they fail
user457812
I guess that beats having to call something else to get the error code at least.
only if you actually get useful error codes
user457812
OpenGL's are usually useless.
04:46
It has always entertained me that OGL actually has a dedicated function which has to be called exclusively in order to get feedback on what the fuck is happening.
user457812
Same error code tends to apply to tons of different problems.
It's like firing a torpedo at a ship.
Which is in view.
And you have to ask someone did you hit.
lol
user457812
It's more like firing a torpedo at a ship in view, but you decided to stick forks in your eyes beforehand because why not
04:47
lol
Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe
user457812
And despite its idiosyncracies, I still like OpenGL just because it has a fairly small API
Hate the song, but I'd like to fuck that girl very, very much.
Just puttin' it out there.
user457812
Noted. Literally. In my pocket book.
I actually took upon implementing two code paths for my renderer, OGL and DX. And I had no intention of cross-platforming, did it just for the challenge.
And now I'm starting to actually contemplate moving it to other platforms.
04:50
for me, platform-independence is just the sane thing to do, if you can
unnecessary platform dependence is just like global state- tomorrow your boss asks you to parallelize it, and oops
I've been working on scaling the engine workload across multiple cores, but it takes quite a bit of effort and planning to actually do quite right.
Lots of explosions in the background also.
and the right libraries
boost::thread is such a primitive abstraction
One of the things I appreciate about OS X is the newly born GCD.
TBB and PPL are where the real concurrency tools are at
user457812
I'd be much happier if I could actually use Clang's blocks and libdispatch, but unfortunately they only work on Mac OS/iOS (and I guess FreeBSD to an extent), so it's kind of impossible
04:54
Ah, yes... Blocks are a happy funtime.
user457812
I suppose I could reimplement libdispatch for other platforms sans the kernel-level stuff, but that still leaves the lack of blocks, and that kind of sucks.
what even are blocks?
user457812
Closures, basically.
State-capturing function-pointerish closure constructs.
ah
so a pre-C++11 lambda variant?
user457812
04:58
user457812
Well, they're made to work in C and C++, so sort of.
Because clang is heavily biased towards Apple (funding and shit)
and Obj-C is a superset of C with a shoved runtime
so yeah, C had to be supported.
user457812
I'm not sure "shoved" is the right term there
Yeah, dramatic effect failure
user457812
That said, I actually like Objective-C, so I'm horribly biased as it is
05:00
I like the syntax, but I have always been against clever runtimes. Even the simple voodoo magic like ARC (compile time stuff) took a while for me to process, had to read all of the documentation on it in order to trust it.
user457812
I was wary of ARC, but I like it at this point. Aside from how broken bridged types are now.
"shoved shit all over the language and then a bullshit-at-best"
I think thats an improvement
On the Microsoft side, they really surprised me with PPL. Well, they had to get something right eventually.
user457812
The weak references stuff is interesting too, though I avoided it until I took the time to read the ObjC runtime's source and saw roughly how it worked.
if only they could do the same with, y'know, GUI, networking, such things
05:03
Yeah, weak references are quite interesting, breaking retain cycles and the likes. But I really don't like trusting runtimes, like you just said - first read through everything - then trust.
Every time I see "backend book keeping", I somehow feel massive overhead is coming.
well, it's entirely true that definitely says "I incur overhead" without telling you how much
of course, if you already know "reference counting" then you can get a good guess in
I like to evade Obj-C in favor of portable code. Do the interface/boilerplate in Objective-C and relay control to C++ code.
But these recent improvements that target Obj-C mostly really make it hard to be C++ centric on Apple platforms.
user457812
Just have to decide what you're willing to do to save time. For a game, I don't think you can do a lot.
I need multiple render targets on iOS, multiple passes for deferred shading is blargh.
user457812
Which is what I keep trying to do in my spare time. And then I start over every few months because I'm an idiot.
05:09
hm... I think I was wrong when I said "fuck real life". I'm hungry now, and the chat can't feed me IRL =\
user457812
I'm actually not sure why OpenGL ES doesn't support that.
It was really disappointing last year.
iPad 2 has a massive fillrate, the new one even more.
And they present a deferred renderer in multiple passes, what the fuck?
GPUs are powerful, beautiful.
user457812
I think Apple has some severe disconnect with game developers.
I don't get that, games drive their goddamn appstore.
Lose the games category, what do you have?
user457812
Happy little puzzle games.
05:13
And the amount of shit on the AppStore
is OFF the charts.
user457812
Games that actually make good use of the GPU don't seem as common.
user457812
At this point I've actually put iOS and other mobile stuff as a secondary concern. I'd frankly rather get it working on a desktop first.
the downside of the App Store's popularity is that it's very hard to get noticed
user457812
I think I stand a far better chance making a game for Mac OS than iOS now.
I'd really like to give the SGXs a run for their money.
Not the Unreal fakery crap.
Everyone can bake the shit out of their scenes.
Reflection = rotated geometry + transparent plane.
Fuckin' brilliant.
user457812
05:15
Who knows, make something good enough and I could maybe get it on Steam. (← Pipedream.)
user457812
At the very least a few friends of mine who've actually finished products have their work on there.
I've seen a speech by Tim Sweeney
recently on some conference.
he is so damn awkward.
user457812
I've only ever seen Carmack speak
user457812
Went to Quakecon once and asked him something or other. It was pretty fun.
Carmack is entertaining, he doesn't drop lousy humour bombs.
I hate joke failures at conferences.
It is so damn awkward.
user457812
05:20
I think I was asking him about OpenGL 3 and how they were originally planning to redo the entire GL API (never happened).
OpenGL 3, oh god...
What were they thinking with that iteration?
user457812
I haven't got a clue. It was a clusterfuck.
It's like DirectX10.1
But DirectX10.1 acknowledged it's just 10.1
user457812
At the very least I'm glad that GL 4.2 or something is supposed to make GL ES a subset of GL and not this odd and incompatible variation.
@DomagojPandža More like DiectX10
user457812
05:22
Though it's still kind of mind-boggling that I can use shaders on a phone
Yeah, that too. 11 is nice, though.
I've hardly seen anything to justify DX10 except API improvements which could have been done fine in XP
user457812
DX has been pretty nice since DX9 or so.
You can't sell a new operating system with the hyped DirectX10 on XP. :Đ
lol
they should have just waited for DX11 and Windows 7
user457812
05:23
Never tried DX10 or 11 though -- I jumped ship to Mac OS before I had anything that could use either.
Vista/10 was just a mistake, they had nothing to show the users for all their technical improvements
Look, we can do shadows a little better. Oh, wait... That's just the GPU improving over the years so we can use bigger maps.
user457812
@DeadMG But they had shiny window frames!
user457812
And a completely useless alt-tab thingy that flipped through windows really slowly.
@nil The Taskbar improvements in Windows 7 are much more helpful.
user457812
05:24
They are.
that makes it feel like a new Windows
The only thing I like about DX10 is the fact they dropped caps enumeration.
user457812
Makes me wonder what they were smoking for Windows 8 though.
Minimum feature set across the board. No more crappy silent failures.
@DomagojPandža And fixed-function pipeline.
05:24
Just lousy performance.
user457812
Windows 7 was the "Good job, Microsoft" version of Windows. Windows 8 is looking to be the "We made a lot of money and spent it on heroin" version.
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I don't really follow why ARB deprecates shit and then doesn't remove it.
user457812
Because they're pansies.
I appreciate damn legacy code, but fuck. 10 years. If you have to use old shit, your company shouldn't exist.
user457812
And yet IE6 exists.
user457812
05:26
Hell, I've been to government webpages that say I should be using IE5.
@nil Heroines are female heroes. Heroin is a hard drug.
user457812
Ah, thanks.
I'd be happy to hire me some heroines
user457812
Unfortunately, I fixed it.
strike down the evil CS lecturer and get me some nice sexy times
user457812
05:28
My fingers hurt now that they've got so many damn cuts from one of my parrots biting them.
call your parrothunter
user457812
Probably a few from cat scratches too. The jerks.
see, that's why I don't get catlovers
they just scratch and hiss at you
dogs love you and want to do what you tell them to
and they never bite or scratch or anyshit like that
Acidophilus milk, tasty.
user457812
I don't like dogs. They smell, pee on things, crap anywhere, and then eat their own crap because why not?
05:30
uh, I'm pretty sure that's rabbits, and they have digestive systems which are designed to do that
user457812
Wet dog smell is also an unforgivable flaw.
Wet dog smell... Woah.
besides, a trained dog does not pee on things or crap anywhere
Dog and human can work together as a team. This would never work with cats, lol.
they crap and pee where you train them to crap and pee
user457812
05:31
Evidently all of my friends train them to crap and pee indoors then.
I love my cat because:

a) It's a lazy mofo
b) Doesn't give a shit
c) Doesn't like anybody but me
d) Shits in the litter box
e) It reminds me of me
user457812
I should probably smack them for that. The owners. Ain't the dogs' fault.
user457812
I like my parrots because they're friendly and noisy.
I've had two dogs and my grandma also has a dog, and we trained all of them to piss and crap in the garden
user457812
Aside from the one that bites me, but he's not mine, so it's fine.
05:32
just pick up the crap and put it in the bin from time to time and it's all good
cat yodeling is a sport.
user457812
Raise cat anus to mouth and blow?
Word of caution: put socks on paws before attempting.
user457812
That's a CRT monitor in the background O_o
@nil do you keep your cat(s) indoor or outdoor?
user457812
05:39
I keep three indoors and the rest outdoors.
For a total count of? :D
user457812
I can't remember. I only live here during the summer.
That many? Holy crap!
user457812
I want to say 8.
user457812
They usually get picked off by coyotes.
05:40
That doesn't paint a nice picture in my head xd
user457812
So, my family currently has 10 parrots, 8-ish cats, 5 dogs, and one snake.
user457812
Used to have 11 parrots, but we gave one away because someone wanted a cockatiel and we had three.
here's me, pirating some other person's hard work
user457812
You are terrible go to hell and eat cheese biscuits.
hmph
I'd throw a couple quid their way to download faster than 200kbs
user457812
05:42
Actually, I kind of want cheese biscuits..
my connection can pull 4.8MB/s
I have a fridge full of sugary delights.
user457812
I have crackers. That's about it.
I don't eat it, usually just keep it for the guests.
user457812
Gypsies stole my foods.
05:43
Coldplay ft. Rihanna
Wtf?
I used to like Coldplay.
aaah, I have discovered a new weapon in my war against my waistline: lazyness
I was going to go and buy chocolate and stuff... but I'm too lazy
Ahahah, the best weapon.
user457812
I never liked coldplay. They sounded too much like castratos.
I once lost 20 kg because I was in love with a girl.
@StackedCrooked I lost more than that when I had a girlfriend.
somehow, the desire to consume vast quantities of sugar and fat simply never occurs on the very slim probability that I'm actually somewhat happy
05:47
The problem with girlfriends is that it's awesome...
So it's basically a craving for certain neurotransmitters.
And then BOOM.
Recently noticed that 5HTP greatly reduces hunger.
5HTP?
Bought it online. I like to try stuff like that occasionally (nootropics etc).
05:49
I usually just run every morning, helps me feel alive.
Keeps the fat away.
Most of it, at least. :Đ
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hmmm
I would do that, but then I'd have to run like, in public, or in a gym or someshit like that
much too much interaction with other human beings for my taste
I take a longer route when I walk from work to home. Currently it's a 67 minute walk. Sometimes I extend it to a 135 min walk.
The short path is only 30 minutes.
06:17
Argh, fuck this. My eyes are bleeding angle brackets and this shit doesn't compile yet.
06:37
@DeadMG Presumably you got the code I put up on IDEONE?
06:49
@DomagojPandža i stole that link
@CatPlusPlus oh you cheeky little shit! :P
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@RMartinhoFernandes "...please open a Request For Cock" Uh. Erm. What?
Oh. 8=======D Yeah, I think I get the joke. github.com/nickmartini/dongml
Don't look at me. I have no idea how that came about.
I don't even find it funny.
I just posted it because it looked relevant.
Relevant... Sure. :Đ
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@RMartinhoFernandes I am not looking at you. I am pointing at you. With my index finger. And everyone's staring at you now. Go on, blush your steely cheeks.
06:56
16 hours ago, by Etienne de Martel
@RadekdaknokSlupik 8====3
tihs is chat?
this is madness
No, this is dog.
is there anyway I can download an older revision of my code in bitbucket?
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@alaminhosain tihs.com
Doesn't seem so.
06:59
@bamboon Navigate to the revision you want, and then click "get source" on the upper right.

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