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Anyways, whats everybody up to?
I am watching a video that propose the possibility that we might be living in a 'fish tank', that some the phenomenon we observe might be distorted by things particular to our immediate surrounding ...
making coffee and that time of the month
00:57
So ... one of the best way to really find out the truth, is space exploration - to get out of 'the tank'
I wonder if g changes on different planets, does π hold a different value in different part of universe?
the constants that change aren't fundamental
01:45
@Mikhail Constants that change...aren't constant.
maybe god used a lot 'volatile' in the world simulation program
@Telkitty We've already made some measurements of things like this on other planets in this solar system (most of our space probes and such depend heavily upon gravity, for the obvious one). If there are significant differences, they apparently only start to apply quite a ways away from our solar system.
02:02
@JerryCoffin locally constant
02:18
@Telkitty As far as looking outside our solar system goes: if there is such a thing, it's apparently a change in the whole system of how things work, not just a single constant or two. For example, a star's mass affects its brightness, its color, and its ability to attract other objects. Some (e.g., Cephied variables) also have brightness that varies, and the period over which they vary is also linked to the mass.
Astronomers routinely compare (for example) the observed brightness and distance computed via parallax to compute mass and check that against color. While it may be possible the entire system could actually vary in a way that kept our observations consistent even though constants were actually different, it's a little difficult for me to imagine exactly how. Just for example, some of the effects vary linearly, while others are quadratic. A change in a constant would change the relationship.
Energy Australia is one of the worst piece of shit, high electricity cost aside, it forgot to send me a bill, I called them and asked them to send me the bill. Then heard nothing of the bill until this morning, I received a message from them 'your bill is overdue'. So I logged in and found a letter 'sorry for the delay of sending this bill, you bill was due in the past and now this bill is overdue'
02:45
Martell had been hunting for polar bears with an official license and a guide, at a cost of $45,450, and killed the animal believing it to be a normal polar bear.
why is hunting of polar bear is even legal in the US?
Why not?
I mean, how the heck do you get a polar bear rug?
#belieber
because you would not die without a polar bear rug and upsetting nature environment is the surest way for humans to go extinct
02:58
idk, I'm a #belieber in man's apotheosis over nature
sure, stay in the fish tank
If u know what this mean than u know that being a #belieber is a never ending emotion😌❤
not that you want to, because you have no other choice
 
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> Enable auto-upgrade
why did I do that ._.
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hi
 
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I was sorting through my photos and discovered this evil looking bird hiding amongst my pictures ...
didn't noticing how evil it looked until I zoomed in ... that facial expression ...
 
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Just returned from vacation; git pull
https://imgur.com/yuQO3UG
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@Andy_A̷n̷d̷y̷ lol
08:50
meme was too mainstream
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Hi
 
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Howard G. "Ward" Cunningham (born May 26, 1949) is an American computer programmer who developed the first wiki. A pioneer in both design patterns and extreme programming, he started programming the software WikiWikiWeb in 1994 and installed it on the website of his software consultancy, Cunningham & Cunningham (commonly known by its domain name, c2.com), on March 25, 1995, as an add-on to the Portland Pattern Repository. He is one of the 17 original signatories of the Agile Manifesto. He currently lives in Beaverton, Oregon, and is a programmer at New Relic. Previously he was the Co-Creation Czar...
> Ward is credited with the idea: The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question, it's to post the wrong answer. This refers to the observation that people are quicker to correct a wrong answer than to answer a question.
brilliant
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@fredoverflow yeah, & mislead people with less wrong, but still incorrect answer ...
@Telkitty The perfect is the enemy of the good
Ooh, C++ will get a spaceship operator? :)
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> Add a new section 8.9 [expr.spaceship] before the existing 5.9 [expr.rel]:
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> Why are assembly programmers always soaking wet? Because they work below C level.
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Nerd level: A++
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room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Add a new section §8.9 [expr.spaceship] before the existing §5.9 [expr.rel] [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++17] [c++-faq]
@Andy_A̷n̷d̷y̷ I'm imaginging the whole room completely empty. As in: no checkins whatsoever
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Some kickass song for you guise youtube.com/watch?v=ah3kVWtoM1E
 
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@Borgleader I really like how X3 makes it easy to define custom parsers
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A: I don't understand why my Boost.Spirit x3 rule fails to compile

seheYour code seems extremely complicated for what it achieves. However, after looking at it for considerable time, I noticed you are declaring rules (which coerce their attribute types), but not using them at the crucial time: auto const declared_data_def = hex_data_def | pascalhex_data_def; This...

It's so much more convenient, IMO it nearly obviates the need for clumsy x3::rule<>
@Rerito Man. "Studio Version"? Is their studio a shoe box? It sounds horribly undynamic and highly compressed at the same time
So
I think I'm going to go with a very badly hand-rolled parser
Everything is quality if you can prove it has the right properties (and keeps them)
IOW: have tests and move along until you need to replace the parser.
It's going to be so bad lol
@sehe Actually I was listening to it with a proper file, just linked the first youtube link with concording duration
So, sorry if it was awful
@Rerito TBH I think it's a HIFI representation of what constituted studio quality in those days. It's my birth year :)
@VermillionAzure Update your definition of bad "lol".
14:21
PEEPS, another reopen consideration?
I have some more explanation, but here's what I'd answer if the question gets re-opened coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/9ed4a4f65e74cbbesehe 24 secs ago
@MartinJames can you reconsider your close votes when posts are edited (this happened yesterday too: stackoverflow.com/questions/47003717/…) — sehe 7 secs ago
Isn't it a bit weird that people can vote to close, without any responsibility to monitor for improvements?
yes, it irks me too, also wrt downvotes
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14:52
What kind of copy paste answer is this? did you read the example program? What do you mean you don't have the full details of the program? What do you mean " you have a worker thread", You totally copy pasted this from an unrelated question. Please read the actual question and the actual minimal example. — Christopher Pisz 4 mins ago
Fuck. Pisz is back and I don't think he understood my peace offering very well.
@fredoverflow Death Valley is not known for being particularly wet.
This answer is not copy paste. I spent literally hours reviewing and making it compile for me. If that's copy paste, I'm out.
@sehe He looks kinda piszed
hehehe
15:08
@Rerito Oh, looks like a mod deleted the comment.
You're absolutely right. I "copy pasted" that from here stackoverflow.com/revisions/46980927/4, and then spent hours reviewing it. Here's the version I had when I stopped: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/b63e2a3ff1a617c0. Ironically, your question has improved a million times since you cut the sample down. Too bad I cannot upvote it once more. Instead I upvoted your answer. Thanks. — sehe 52 secs ago
I had just baked my response.
Sigh! Surely this has been the last time I've ever tried involving a mod. They deleted the chat.
The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions
In unrelated news, two more reopen votes required
58 mins ago, by sehe
PEEPS, another reopen consideration?
(boy, using Stack Overflow properly and fairly can be draining)
I don't know. Perhaps, the mod is trying to tell you to stop wasting your time trying to correct a misbehaving OP and just move on with life?
@Mysticial but a single obnoxious help vampire can bring down the quality for a lot of normal users
15:23
@Mysticial It's ok for him to ACTUALLY tell me that. Right now he's making things considerably worse by removing my explicit reconcilation attempts
Also, I'm not wishing to correct. I'm wishing to connect
@sehe one more
Cool :)
@sehe TBH, I think that latter part is discouraged on SO since it falls under the whole "SO is not a social network" thing.
And looking at this from an external party with little to no context, all I see is some dispute between two people on the internet that's sorta distracts from the site's purpose and isn't worth any time correcting. So I can see why the mod would opt to just silence the whole thing. (not saying it's the correct decision, but it's certainly a reasonable one if the mod has a long list of other stuff to do)
@Mysticial It's fair if the objective is to avoid being bullied. If not, I'm out.
@sehe opened
15:29
@ratchetfreak On it :)
@Mysticial BTW yes the whole "oh, we'll just silence (i.e. nuke) things until the problem is big enough" approach is what made me sigh
19 mins ago, by sehe
Sigh! Surely this has been the last time I've ever tried involving a mod. They deleted the chat.
I should have known.
@sehe To play devil's advocate here. Put yourself in the mod's shoes. You have a flag queue of 1000 custom flags. 50+ on-going cases of sock-puppet voting that you need to look into. 100+ flags of people complaining about other users...
Do you really think you'd like to get involved in another one?
4 mins ago, by sehe
I should have known.
@Mysticial A short note could do. Just a standard reminder that mods exist. If necessary, to both parties. IDC
@sehe That actually speaks more to how broken the mod system on SO is. SO needs more than a few dozen mods for a site this size. I'd argue that it needs hundreds or thousands of them so they can spend the time to fix these things the correct way. But SE doesn't want to do that since it becomes a management nightmare and they don't seem too interested in hierarchical or partitioned moderation.
Obviously, mod is not the devil here. He's just ... interfering clumsy (he could have just left things then, or just axed the comment).
@Mysticial More importantly, they have irrefutable evidence they don't "need" it :)
And I agree. I'm just sad learning that mods are not a thing that exists for any practical purpose.
it would be nice if you were notified if a post got improved after you downvoted or voted to close it.
15:41
Yup
most of the site is self-moderated by high rep users though
@ratchetfreak I think "nice" is far too weak a term for what it would be.
though the review queues can't handle comments or repeat offenders cleanly
@ratchetfreak The problem is that many of those do the job poorly--most have a rote formula for what's needed in a question, and routinely negatively comment on (and downvote) questions that are perfectly fine. This leads to the (accurate) perception that SO is unfriendly to newcomers.
@JerryCoffin out of curiosity, can you - as non-involved party - still see that bookmarked convo from the deleted room?
15:44
@sehe I can see it
In fact, I should probably ask whether some with OP's rep can.
I "see", as in I can click the link and read the text there
@ratchetfreak Cheers /cc @milleniumbug
@sehe Yes.
@JerryCoffin there is a existing feature request for that
15:46
Sigh. It's ok. I'm glad the problem was solved, and your question is much better without the code I reviewed. Did you catch my message the other day? I'll delete my answer soon since it interests no one. — sehe 7 secs ago
Quoting for future reference:
I still don't know to what you are referring to. None of my revisions contain a thread explicitly or any unsynchronized access to m_socket, or a data race of any kind on m_sendbuffer. Your answer does not coincide with any revision of my question. — Christopher Pisz 2 mins ago
Lol. "None of my revisions contain a thread explicitly" - who's he fooling. The code cannot possibly work if there's no thread and the comments (WOOT! Comments!) explicitly state how treads are created and run the IO code.
> Your answer does not coincide with any revision of my question
Yeah sure. I make up messes like that for pleasure.
that was a dupe of: meta.stackexchange.com/q/1751/167163 which is declined because Jeff believed that anonymous downvotes weren't a thing...
@sehe Seems likely to me that he's made his decision, and he's not going to let any mere fact affect it.
I think he doesn't want to be publicly associated with the code. (a) he knows it's not good (b) he knows it belongs to his super secret employer in the financial trading industry.
Both fair reasons, but not good reasons to deny having posted it, and imply I'm making things up. While the evidence is public :)
Oh look /cc @Mysticial
in Room for sehe and Cody S. Pumpkins, 59 secs ago, by sehe
@CodyS.Pumpkins Thank you. And thanks for clarifying. I know you guys are very busy.
Not too bad.
I'm actually quite amazed that Cody's patience has lasted this long. From what I've seen in the past, most of the new mods start "stepping back" a bit after a few months.
Props to him. We need more mods like him.
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@sehe I haven't reviewed the code in question, but my immediate reaction is to wonder whether it isn't a matter of ignorance rather than any sort of cover-up. He may simply not know enough about how ASIO works to realize there's some thread usage involved, even though he's not creating it/them directly.
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Nah. He's a competent programmer. I think he inherited a handful, maybe
This was in his code:
    /*! Starts the thread that the io_service will run on and hence, the thread that callbacks will occur on
    *
    * No callback will occurs until this is called and the thread is started
    */
    virtual void Startup();

    /*! Stops the thread that the io_service runs on and hence all callbacks as well
    *
    * This will cancel any outstanding work on the io_service
    * No callback will occurs once this thread is stopped
    */
    virtual void Shutdown();
You know. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the comments.
@sehe I was a competent programmer (I like to think, anyway) for quite a while without understanding anything about ASIO's thread usage...
@sehe Fair enough.
diving (or getting dunked) headfirst into the deep end of boost libs will reduce a lot of people to noobish antics...
@Feeds so true
the CD-rom can have another row: CD-R dye degraded
16:03
archive.org is basically a library for websites
@Feeds s/digital resources/resources/ though
@ratchetfreak Seems to be a mostly-theoretical possibility. I've yet to run into it in practice (and probably won't since I don't have a reader installed any more either).
@JerryCoffin wiki says life expectancy of a cheap CD-R is around a decade
@milleniumbug I think a large part of his point is that books are much more permanent (with reasonable care and storage, of course).
@JerryCoffin they deal with degradation of the materials much better as well
@Feeds Probably why I still use PDFs
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@ratchetfreak It would appear that our brains have error correction rather more effective than Reed-Solomon.
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A: boost::property_tree : Parsing of Complex xml strucure

seheOk, the usual anti-pattern when using Property Tree to parse information is "loop frenzy". The whole idea of storing key-value pairs in a tree format is to avoid having to loop low-level structures, instead using convenient addressing (using paths). Another anti-pattern is to have all the parsi...

/cc @Morwenn
@JerryCoffin Sure, it's a difference between several decades (or centuries) and less than a decade or two decades
@JerryCoffin Couple years from now, I'll probably try revisiting that Reed-Solomon project I did in grad school. Since there's gonna be hardware support for it.
Not for any real purpose, but more of a curiosity.
Of course, if you have a physical book in a library, that library is essentially working on it not being destroyed or scrapped
it's way less effort required than maintaining a Java frontend though :)
@milleniumbug In a fair number of cases, with physical books, the biggest problem that arises is with languages changing enough that it's difficult to find people with the skills necessary to read old books.
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@JerryCoffin the brain is the best pattern matching machine known to man
@ratchetfreak Probably true--but also something of a tautology (i.e., to a large extent, we define quality of pattern matching as having the closest resemblance to the brain).
@Feeds speaking of irony, this program which allows you to print files to paper with a printer and then restore them with a scanner, doesn't compile on anything else than Borland C++ Builder 6
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@milleniumbug 3 MB per page that's almost 2 floppy disks
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@milleniumbug You have sources, just port it to Qt5 or such.
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there is a crypto.lib without a corresponding source in the source zip though
and a bz.lib
> You must make sure that they, too, receive
or can get the source code.
17:25
@littlepootis send him an email and tell him he's in violation of his own license :)
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explicit MainWindow(QWidget *parent = 0);
can someone please explain what this does?
Its part of a class definition in a header file....I dont understand why there is an assignement within the constructor decleraration
the class is called MainWindow
many thanks
18:51
When we have dynamic class members,do we typically allocate space from the class’ constructor.
@Pouya That depends on when they're needed. If they're needed throughout the lifetime of an object, then yes, the ctor would be an obvious place to allocate them (but in that case, think twice about whether they need to be dynamically allocated).
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Yesterday I was telling my friend that my chiropodist improved my posture. He pointed out that it was in fact my chiropractor. I stand corrected. — user67049 Feb 25 '14 at 17:58
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rofl
@fredoverflow Yeah I saw that. I really like Chandler Carruth's talks, for some reason. This one made me want to do exactly what he showed on my personal PC.
Although CMake won't work with clang++ on Windows; it requires clang-cl, then is failing to configure properly. I also haven't been able to get Ninja to work as a generator for CMake :'(.
19:23
I like how LLVM has native CUDA support, compared to MSVC which requires NVCC. NVCC often doesn't support the latest MSVC update which causes chaos.
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@Mikhail The Unix motto is "do one thing, and do it well'. Some would argue that the MSVC philosophy is closer to: "do half of one thing, and do it poorly." :-)
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...or maybe it's "do a vast thing, but do only a half-vast implementation of it."
half-vast
MSVC's motto is more like, "there is no market demand for template metaprogramming"
 
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What annoys me about people is that they often assume tools can only be used for one single task
Yesterday I went to shop and asked for spec of some water pumps and the seller was like "those are for water heater...." Then I explain I want to use it to build a dishwasher. It only has to handle temperatures around 100. He's like "no those pumps are for water heater..."
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix But what if the pipe has high min operating temperature? :)
Or the pipe cannot handle the differential temperatures caused by pouring hot water down a sink? And if it does, it shatters like glass from differential thermal expansion.
Or because the pipes for sinks need to not react with all the shit (both literally and figuratively) that people pour down them such as household chemicals or excrement.
or pumps, whatever - I can't read
nah water pumps only have to handle higher temperature close to 100, but you're not always heating at 100. The minimum temperature at home is 40 degrees but that's just the eater that can't go below
the only important point is that water pump use a wet rotor , which effectively make leaks impossible
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I was only half joking when I said about the reaction stuff. A dishwater pump needs to not react and corrode with all the shit that you might find on a dirty plate - such as food, cleaning solvents, or human excrement.
That also includes acidic chemicals like vinegar - found in both food and cleaning solutions.
(I've destroyed an iron waste disposal grinder by pouring vinegar down it.)
yeah but plastic is almost always neutral to such things so I wouldn't worry much
water pump usually have a plastic rotor because water itself with heat is good enough to oxidize metal and plastic is way less expensive
21:40
@Mysticial don't forget salt, salt will destroy just about everything
But do dishwasher pumps need to be physically stronger? Like say someone had a half-eaten apple that got stuck to the plate after sitting around for a week. So someone stupid (like me) puts the whole thing in the dishwasher expecting it to remove the apple for me. So the pump needs to be not get stuck when an apple tries to go through it.
@Mysticial that's why you put a filter that prevent things to get messy
Actually, I think an apple bouncing around the dish washer will do a lot more damage than just a pump.
if it doesn't get into the pump it won't be bouncing
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Those spinning things that fire jets of water at the dishes. They'll toss an apple around until something breaks.
21:45
It can bounce on a jet of water.
also at high temperature apple will just dissolves
Thing is, filters protect the pump
@sehe the jet of water should be high enough to not hit anything that falls below
except the jet that hit from above
a fork or a knife would make a lot more damage than an apple
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix fuck... you're right.
Welcome to C++, where nothing is by reference unless you make it so. And once you internalized that, you will get bitten by the fact that those references can become stale. At least a few (hundred) times. Until you learn to always be conscious about lifetimes and favouring value semantics. — sehe 48 secs ago
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Mainly because it's so darn heavy. Oh wait...
21:50
anyway, an apple at 80-100 degree will liquify in seconds
if you add detergent I'm not sure how to qualify what the apple will be
That would be a good mythbuster experiment. What happens when you put the following in a dishwasher:
1. Apple
2. Orange
3. Pineapple
4. Watermelon
5. Ping pong balls
6. Golf balls
7. Paint balls
8. potassium
9. cesium
10. plutonium-239
Those edits :)\
oh
Well Potassium is easy, It's likely to simply blow up
21:56
But will it react with the pump?
If it explodes, the pump will be the least of your problem
user5730329
does this work?
user5730329
omg it does
user5730329
anyone out there?
Never
22:17
Nai
user5730329
sorry for my nerdy behaviour before
user5730329
are you guys german?
user5730329
and why do you talk german
user5730329
nein nee usw.?
I don't :D
user5730329
nie = never in german @milleniumbug
22:23
It's also "no" in Polish :)
doitsugode janai
user5730329
@milleniumbug yeah you're rignt
22:40
@IchHabsDrauf Some of us are
user5730329
i am albanian actually
but i'm planning to study cs in DE
@IchHabsDrauf We're programmers. Mere ignorance of the subject matter can't undermine our self confidence!
@JerryCoffin I actually studied german at uni
user5730329
@jerryCoffin what is that supposed to mean
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix You have my condolences. :-)
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22:49
@sehe I can speak german fluently already
user5730329
i guess.. :D
Well they didn't allow me to take french as a foreign language and Russian language isn't considered foreign in Russia :/
@IchHabsDrauf Programmers (many of them anyway) have a tendency to jump into all sorts of things, and assume that knowledge of a programming language and a few paradigms, is enough to let them immediately understand any business so well they can improve procedures that have been successful for decades.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix So go to a university in France, where you can take Russian as a foreign language. :-)
I'm done with university for now
user5730329
@JerryCoffin you seem a pretty smart guy
but did you mean that was a good or bad thing? That jumping into new unknown things
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22:52
or was that just ironic
@IchHabsDrauf I guess I'm good at imitating smart. It's not necessarily either good or bad. The result is often a bit of both.
user5730329
@jerrycoffin i realised that when I saw your profile on stackoverflow. You are kind of a genious
Still happy i'm having the chance to chat with you
user5730329
well, you're right about programmers jumping into all sorts of unknown things. I have a bit of knowledge in PHP, HTML & CSS, Java, JavaSript, MySQL
user5730329
but I wouldn't say I master any of those perfectly, just the basics I need to fulfill a specific task
@IchHabsDrauf I do jump into all sorts of things without a second thought--but in quite a few cases I think I probably survive the experience as much by sheer pig-headed stubbornness as by being particularly smart.
22:58
@IchHabsDrauf it's unlikely you'll find people that really master anything. As things are evolving it's pretty hard to stay up to date on everything.
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@JerryCoffin well, I've tried that as well. Here is some of the stuff I've made all alone:
http://graphmaker.tk
http://andih.ga (my website)
http://andih.ga/portfolio -> here you can find some java things as well, including a text messenger.
It also reminds me of an article I read a couple years ago, it categorized people in begineer, master etc... And there was that special category of people that think they are master while they aren't and for that particular reason, they stop progressing as they think they already know everything
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@LoïcFaure-Lacroix you're right
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Most members of that "special category" end up as salespeople (or physical education teachers).
@JerryCoffin That's generalization
Phy-ed teachers are often perverts, making girl do some "exercise" that show off their attributes
23:04
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Statements that include "most" tend to be. Most of them, anyway.
@JerryCoffin managers
yeah I'll agree more with managers
Anyway, good day night... Time to sleep
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Depends on the manager. It fits some pretty well. Others, however, are people who were quite good at technical jobs, and got pushed into jobs to which they were less suited. A few (not many, but a few) actually do well at both.
23:45
@Borgleader
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Q: Write a Program for a LINKED List in C++ using switch

happy ProgrammerWrite a program for a LINKED List in C++ using switch and when a User Enter 1 for Append, Enter 2 for insertion,Enter 3 for deletion,Enter 4 for display,Enter 5 for exit.

We're going to need your professor's e-mail in order to turn in the homework. — Borgleader 6 secs ago
doesn't hurt to try
Years ago one guy outsourced his CS 473 Algorithms (this class was really hard) homework to somebody in Ukraine. Halfway through the semester the Ukrainian guy gave up and emailed the professor saying his class was too hard. We got to read the email during the following lecture.
@JerryCoffin are you sure it's not 'do a basket of things and hope one of them will work out?'
23:58
lol
So what about the student?
I don't know I skipped a lot of class
@Telkitty Sure? No, of course not.
must hedge oneself against ill luck on that one thing ...

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