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7:05 PM
XMing. That's been years. I wonder how active it still is
 
7:16 PM
 
@Lesyeuxsansvisage It's ironic that you keep blabbing on about flagging while there was no flag.
 
7:27 PM
Hi
 
the blue box is Starcraft /cc @Puppy
I should've bought a bigger drive model
 
WTF
I failed one of those captchas where you just have to check a box.
 
You're a robot
 
nwp
Apparently the captcha worked correctly.
 
@sehe :D
 
7:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh man. That understated rick-roll in the adlib driver sample
 
@sehe was just gonna write that :D
 
Speaking of design.
 
also I found an 18GB log from a piece of software that was clogging my disk
 
Windows, how I've missed ya
 
7:39 PM
it's on OSX :P
 
Who gives a fuck
Now, let's find out whether you have something other to say than to annoy-troll.
 
we all care, of course
 
Deeply
 
please don't mention deep
I've been failing spectacularly at machine learning stuff this week
one sample
trained it to find squares
 
@Lesyeuxsansvisage Maybe you're looking for this? chat.stackoverflow.com/chats/leave/10
 
7:50 PM
@Lesyeuxsansvisage you sure
 
Thanks Robot
12 messages moved to bin
 
I am glad your hard work is appreciated, binning all of my messages
how much do they pay you?
 
You can stop. No problem. It's ok if you have no life. None of us do. Or at least not that we know of :)
 
Woah, wtf just happenned?
 
Nothing of significance. Someone is trying desperately to get perma banned, but not finding the correct approach.
We don't care enough.
 
7:58 PM
how noble of thee
 
yo
 
@Puppy Oi!
 
@wilx woof?
 
8:17 PM
This must be awesome anime :D
I watch it for the plot https://t.co/b5KFtDHHKC
NSFW, for some W.
 
@wilx it's just as weird in context
 
That's better
 
user1804599
XD
 
Ell
8:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I fail them all the time
not sure why vOv
 
@sehe I like doing rainbow gradients over black and white photos
 
8:48 PM
@Ell 'Cause yer a bloody synth
 
@Aaron3468 /cc @rightfold
Because who *doesn't* spend their day texting their friends in LaTeX? https://itunes.apple.com/be/app/vulcanize/id1154777474?mt=8 https://t.co/AcA2iGWwX5
 
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@Aaron3468 GAY
 
user1804599
Slakken is going well so far.
 
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Almost finished the bytecode decoder.
 
Lol, he's the one who started it, trying to invoke satanic magic by inverting colours.
 
9:11 PM
When are we building an island for people who lost faith in humanity
I'd go there now
 
@Mikhail I read L I N K O T. No idea what it's supposed to mean
 
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I never thought someone could get angry against me because I wanted to use some scrapwood for something instead of simply burning it (when there is well enough wood to burn other than scrapwood)
 
@Mikhail Ṗ̛̛̪̝̬͕̩̖̋̾̑̕̚͜ͅŗ̥͚̫̱̤̝͗̇̈͒̉͂͑͠ͅa̙͉̬̫͉͕̞̲̍́̐͌̄́̚̚i̢͙̦͖͙͔̩̇͗̊̿̽̀͘͜͝s̛͕͎̗͗̅̊̿̀͐̚‌​̡̨̦̮͕e̢̢̫̱͎̦̮̪̍͊͌̆̉̀̾͝ ̧̛̝̲͉̼̲̹̖͂̏̓́̽̒̔K̛̗̥͓̝̻̙͎̘͑̊̅͂̀̔͘o̘͖͇͓̳̗͛̾̅̾̓̀͊͝ͅͅt̡̢̠̝̣̳̟͇͛̔̈́́̈́̃́̚l̢͕͉̩̿̍̐̓́̕͠͠‌​̘͔͎̩i̢̲͍̤̯͉̠̋͛̊̓͂̑̚͜͝n̨͙̜̭̙͚̲͔̒̄͗̆́͆͂̚
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@BoundaryImposition actually female will always have more rights than men
 
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9:17 PM
@sehe I have a very simple grammar for binary data that I want to parse, but it's context-sensitive.
 
user1804599
Should I use Spirit?
 
@rightfold Should? No. Might as well, though
 
nwp
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Right. They already have male and they additionally get fe.
 
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<pool> ::= <term>*
<term> ::= <array> | <atom> | <float>
<array> ::= '0x00' <n:uint32> <uint32>{n} /* such that every uint32 but the first one refers to (by index, 0-based) a term in the <pool> that comes before this <array> term */
<atom> ::= '0x01' <n:uint32> <uint8>{n}
<float> ::= '0x02' <float64>
 
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@sehe ^ it's like so.
 
9:20 PM
@Mikhail Send it to the guy! :D
 
@wilx I don't have a twitter
 
nwp
lol @starboard for cutting off Praise Kotlin because it is too long
 
@nwp The starboard can't handle the praise.
 
if only they had used Kotlin
 
Is Kotlin the language to solve your python script issue about fork()?
 
nwp
9:23 PM
@Aaron3468 Yes. Once you use kotlin you will not have python script issues. (in your kotlin code)
 
@nwp Instead, you will have JVM issues. :D
On a different note. I have turned my right CTRL into a compose key. I still occasionally miss it as I hit CTRL+Home. :(
 
So how is kotlin different from typescript or other X languages that compile to javascript
 
I wonder if Kotlin's name comes from a merge of "kotlet" and "blin", which would make the language a food reference.
 
It is an island iirc.
 
9:25 PM
They should perhaps have made it kotlang
kotlinlang looks weird
 
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Slakken
 
why all the hype about kotlin as of lately?
 
I don't understand why they invent other languages. They could have picked one from the million languages that exists and have it compile to the jvm
like Rust or Go which seems to be getting hyped too
 
Everyone should just speak Dutch, why do we need other languages?
 
user1804599
Don't run Rust on the JVM.
 
user1804599
9:28 PM
Don't run Go on the JVM. The JVM lacks green threads.
 
Ell
Well it depends why they want another language in the first place
 
@rightfold What prevent you from having greenthreads in the jvm?
 
user1804599
The JVM.
 
Oh god, just had a power surge because of the monsoon outside.
Thankfully my surge protector kept my subwoofer from blowing...
 
@rightfold as far as I know, the greenthreads can be implemented in the jvm, these aren't a system dependency unlike real threads
 
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9:31 PM
You have to change the JVM.
 
@Aaron3468 Yes, that what's surge protectors do.
 
@rightfold green threads don't have to be part of the JVM, they can be on a different layer in the compilation process. You need some kind of scheduler thought, if the jvm doesn't provide one, you'll have to implement it... but completly possible without the jvm having them
 
Yeah, you can write greenthreads in software. Not ideal though.
 
@Aaron3468 I don't understand this. As opposed to ?
 
As opposed to having bytecodes to create greenthreads for you on the JVM.
 
9:42 PM
@Aaron3468 Performance wise, I'd say that unlike having the threads in the VM allow to optimize effectively how thread are working, the performance shouldn't be really worse
JIT should make bytecode as fast as native so.. not sure
 
So while it's possible, it's just work to write a good scheduler + interface for them
 
pretty much this
 
And work is best avoided.
 
You could technically have your greenthreads being part of a native library being loaded by the VM if performace is really an issue
 
JVM more or less hits the ballpark of native execution speed nowadays. It's not as bad as it once was. Average performance hit is something like 150% execution time of C++
 
9:47 PM
@rightfold Let me see
 
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@sehe Already implemented it.
 
Without spirit
 
@Aaron3468 doesn't insert modern AVX
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Q: Do any JVM's JIT compilers generate code that uses vectorized floating point instructions?

Sean OwenLet's say the bottleneck of my Java program really is some tight loops to compute a bunch of vector dot products. Yes I've profiled, yes it's the bottleneck, yes it's significant, yes that's just how the algorithm is, yes I've run Proguard to optimize the byte code, etc. The work is, essentially...

 
dot(): 37 ns
dotc(): 23 ns
~1.5x C++
 
9:55 PM
The benchmark shouldn't be taken seriously because we don' t know if the C implementation inserted the correct instructions, and we also don't know why, or if the Java one failed. Also since that was asked we got AVX2.
 
whether*
 
Yeah, that's true. On average, a good java implementation tends to be 1.5 times C++. But a bad implementation has no ceiling
And most implementations in Java are not good.
 
interesting. Picture Viewer fucked again - no Spotify involved. only common pattern here is resume from hibernation. good good; recent driver update must have buggered it then
 
@Aaron3468 If you can't get the right (or any in this case) vector instructions, cause the compiler doesn't support them, you're looking at a 2x performance difference
 
@BoundaryImposition Resume from hibernation bugs more than a few programs/drivers. I remember a few times that turned out to be the reason stuff was crashing.
 
9:59 PM
@Aaron3468 Synergy has never been particularly happy with resume from hibernate, nor Lacie's power management (keep having to unset then re-set the "don't go to sleep" mode on my external drives, or they default to spinning down after like 2 mins inactivity, following resume on the host.... particularly annoying when you have backup software polling them for changes every 20 mins or so!)
sadly all my drivers are currently up to date
might investigate a rollback. some other time.
 
@Mikhail Or if the bottleneck is somewhere else.
The AVX2 vs. AVX512 benchmarks on Skylake Purley that I have are so bad that it makes Knights Landing look good.
The AVX2/512-whatever is completely irrelevant at this point. The memory access seems to be so bad that absolutely nothing else matters.
 
@Mysticial (or any in this case)
@Mysticial But yes
 
Granted, I don't think the guy who sent me those benchmarks was able to enable node-interleaving.
The difference between interleaving and no interleaving is almost 2x on the fully-loaded dual-socket Broadwell-EP that I played with last year.
 
Why would it be disabled? This is the ESX stuff right?
 
And the numactl node-interleaving seems to have pretty bad quality when I tested on my quad-opteron last year. I'll try again this weekend when I go back to California.
@Mikhail Most servers have interleaving disabled. All the ones online, the cloud, as well as the university ones have it disabled. Either because they don't know any better or because they don't expect anybody to try to use the entire machine in one application.
 
10:25 PM
@Mysticial Well the ones at the university are not NUMA, but I remember there were a few "NUMA" nodes for experimental and large memory applications.
Typically you go through the login node and do something like mpi-run to launch jobs, so its a really different world
 
@Mikhail The ones I used while I was at UIUC were indeed NUMA.
 
@Mysticial but not the Cray
 
I tested on the accelerator cluster and blue drop Power7. (both of which are dead now)
 
Yeah, the accelerator cluster was SGI?
 
@Mikhail I don't know about that one. I'm long gone from UIUC now.
@Mikhail It was a GPU cluster with dual-socket 6-core Istanbuls.
I'm starting to regret not including my quad-opteron in my car when I shipped it from CA to Chicago.
Since I really need it at this point.
 
user1804599
XD
 
user1804599
Thanks, nice.
 
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@sehe What if an array refers to a term not before it?
 
I have no idea how to interpret the logic? Was that the unintelligable bit in the comment?
 
@Mikhail I left UIUC shortly after they canceled Power7 Blue Waters and shortly before they started building the Cray/AMD one.
So I never had a chance to play with the new machines.
 
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10:34 PM
@sehe Yah XD
 
If you explain what it means and what you expect to happen, I might...
 
user1804599
So basically, decoding terms resolve to value const*s.
 
user1804599
The terms are registered at index N where N is the Nth term.
 
user1804599
An array is an array of such value const* pointers.
 
@Mysticial I worked at Cray that summer, ran a bunch of 32k PE jobs
 
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10:35 PM
I'll see if I can adapt it, thanks a lot.
 
@rightfold Here's a dumb fix. Made the array type vector<uint32_t> now :) (was 16_t) coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/adf3de78190d3167
 
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value const& alloc_array(value const* const*, std::size_t);
value const& alloc_atom(char const*, std::size_t);
value const& alloc_float(double);
 
@rightfold well, the info is already quite comfortably there:
 
user1804599
Yeah.
 
struct Array : std::vector<uint32_t> { // bjarnic fantastic!
    friend std::ostream& operator<<(std::ostream& os, Array const& arr) {
        return print_hex(os << "Array ", arr);
    }
};

using Atom    = std::string;
using Float64 = double;
using Term    = boost::variant<Array, Atom, Float64>;
using Pool    = std::vector<Term>;
 
user1804599
10:37 PM
Ah.
 
What's a nice clean way to pass identifiers to a lexer so that I can later load different identifiers but get the same output?
 
@rightfold So, you can just for (auto index: arr) { auto& term = pool.at(index); /*...*/ }
 
user1804599
Yes, makes sense.
 
@Mikhail Let's just say that when I played with the Blue Drop test node. I wasn't very impressed.
 
10:38 PM
I can make a dirty solution in 5 minutes, but I don't really want to refactor too much later.
 
@rightfold You'll have to decide whether you like the variant<> interface. I suppose it should be clean for extension, but it hurts my eyes a little, so everytime I introduce it, I weigh the benefits again
 
@Mysticial Blue Waters? Anyways, the machine is about MPI, and scaling. The nodes are good, but not that good.
 
@Mikhail Blue Drop was a single node of what would've been thousands of them for the full Power7 Blue Waters.
 
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@sehe I use subclasses so I can use flexible arrays to avoid double indirection.
 
@Mysticial Oh that shit storm, with IBM pulling out. POWER chips had bad clock rates, but comparable interconnects to Cray.
 
10:40 PM
@rightfold That'll be... annoying to adapt. I think. Wouldn't try that in Spirit.
 
user1804599
It's already there, and it has a nice interface for construction.
 
@Mikhail Yeah. So I spend a few months playing with Blue Drop. I wasn't particularly impressed with it. (quite disappointing actually) Somewhere along the line, my advisor started pushing me back towards x86 work. Then I realized why when they made that announcement that IBM bailed.
My advisor was well aware that I had trouble getting any performance out of Blue Drop. Given that he's one of the heads of the UIUC-side of the project, I wonder if that played any factor in the termination of the project.
 
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@sehe I need a vector during parsing anyway, because an array_value can only be constructed using valid value pointers.
 
user1804599
And its length is immutable.
 
user1804599
10:44 PM
And its elements are immutable too.
 
user1804599
The garbage collector depends on this.
 
@Mysticial Well the contract is written in a way that the company has to deliver whatever performance they promised, no matter how many cabinets it takes them. They figured it was technically impossible to deliver, and paid the penalty.
 
@Mikhail The problem I was facing is that I was only getting 1/3 of the theoretical FLOPs on Power7 - even with synthetic code.
 
Why?
 
This was the same project that led to this:
401
A: How do I achieve the theoretical maximum of 4 FLOPs per cycle?

MysticialI've done this exact task before. But it was mainly to measure power consumption and CPU temperatures. The following code (which is fairly long) achieves close to optimal on my Core i7 2600K. The key thing to note here is the massive amount of manual loop-unrolling as well as interleaving of mul...

 
10:47 PM
Also how did your code compare to existing FFT implementations?
 
It was easy to get 90% FLOPs on both AMD and Intel. But I never got anything (even synthetic) code to go above 50% on Power7. And it was usually below 40%
@Mikhail I have no idea. I had specially written loops in designed to not need any OOE taking into account the instruction latencies for which I had been provided along with all the registers that were available.
Nothing got me above 50%.
I never managed to sustain dual-issue FMA on Power7.
No matter how synthetic the code was.
So forget about the FFT.
Power7 has enough registers to not need to abuse register renaming to sustain full FLOPs assuming the instruction charts were accurate.
 
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@sehe I use a Perl script to generate bytecode decoders, is it easy to generate Spirit code?
 
I never figured out what was wrong. I dropped the project before that happened.
And their compilers sucked too.
Granted, I also wasn't as good at this sort of low-level stuff as I am now. And there are a few things I would've tried differently if I had the experience that I do now. But that doesn't detract much from the point that Power7 wasn't performing to the spec that IBM claimed it did.
 
@EtiennedeMartel with basically anything other than a comma
 
@rightfold I don't think so. It might be easy if you plan ahead, but that requires experience
 
user1804599
11:00 PM
OK.
 
user1804599
It's only uint8 and uint32 decoding anyway.
 
user1804599
Looks like this:
 
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if (*begin == 0x61) {
  ++begin;
  instruction inst;
  inst.what = opcode::call_direct;
  auto value = decode<std::uint32_t>(begin, end);
  inst.op1.imm = value;
  insts.push_back(inst);
  continue;
}
 
user1804599
It generates a similar statement for each opcode.
 
user1804599
11:01 PM
Which different op0 and op1 assignments.
 
I blinked and missed the moment when Kotlin became a meme
 
11:20 PM
Has this person never played a first person shooter? https://t.co/UavXV0FSH0
 
@milleniumbug me 2. Isn't there just a conf or so
 
Ell
11:35 PM
I just discovered incredible.pm
it's very cool
and fun
it's an interactive theorem proving "game"
 
user1804599
@Ell eww no linear logic
 
Ell
@rightfold what language have you used which supports linear logic well?
 
user1804599
none
 
user1804599
:P
 
Ell
:V
 
user1804599
11:45 PM
Mercury
 
Ell
I only briefly looked at mercury
there are too many languages to learn :(
and too many fun type system features
have you heard of ornaments?
 
user1804599
no
 
Ell
I should learn Agda too
I also want to learn mini agda because it has positivity annotations
man seriously too many exciting things to learn
 
andddd again
USA sort yourselves out
use ur brainz
 

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