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12:16 AM
I need to learn all about 3d
Also I'm going to learn what it entails when I told the head of the IT department to go fuck themselves
 
ohboy
is this the continuation of the computer trouble saga of the past weeks?
 
the simple ordering of a t470s, yes.
 
don't buy a computer without an NVIDIA GPU
 
=)
I'm sitting at about 4000 cuda cores under my sofa
 
Its a well known fact that at least 9001 cores are required before your neural net becomes sentient.
 
12:28 AM
I'm afraid I have another solution
 
@CaptainGiraffe ^ this ?
 
@Mikhail No, I was thinking Dream island or the one where the rich dude on an island hunts people
Now that I think of it, dream Island is a Bulgakov euphemism
 
Bulgakov, what you wrote sounds vaguely Polish like Krakow
 
1:16 AM
@LucDanton USA. Quelque chose te choque ?
Jerry de la réflexion du maire FN
 
@SpongyFruitcake mince l’annexation a eu lieu quand ?
 
1:30 AM
L'actualité des US me fait hausser les épaules. Ce pays est un paradoxe.
 
surtout ceux à Ruffec en Charente
 
Pour le coup la partie de l'article sur comment ça se passe en France me semble beaucoup moins "horrifiante". Y'a des progrès à faire, mais je ne qualifierai pas ça "d'horreur".
 
je laisse les études comparatives aux autres
 
Comment ça
 
2:00 AM
Does for (auto && buffer: buffers_) instead of for (auto & buffer: buffers_) look pretentious to you guys?
 
no
I use && all the time personally
 
2:29 AM
@Borgleader :D
 
2:57 AM
@Borgleader :3
 
welp I'm watching wood turning vids again
 
3:30 AM
I typed 'contact.php' in search
was redirected tp www.contact.php
server not found
 
4:07 AM
 
4:55 AM
@SpongyFruitcake some inspiration for you
oh good the news article on the spider comes with a stupid online poll
> Ich liebe nur Peter Parker.
 
Ew, spiders.
Huge ones even.
 
don’t think there’s any other species named after the geographical feature so it’s either the spider or the mountain range
 
Good idea to spend $150 on 2x8GB ram, or to spend $80 on 2x4GB? I currently have 2x4GB installed
 
And how many slots do you have?
 
depends on what do you usually use RAM for
and number of slots
 
5:03 AM
@Aaron3468 that sounds too expensive for DDR4
 
Doesn't shock me
 
@Aaron3468 otoh that sounds about right if it’s in CAD
 
4 ddr3 slots, mobo supports up to 32gb @1866MHz. I usually use it for gaming, some light video/image/3d editing. System idles at ~2GB. One of the games is poorly optimized and eats 4GB (occasionally crashing due to needing a bit more, but doesn't seem to leak).
Yeah, it's in CAD
 
I dunno about DDR3 prices though
 
ddr3 is pricey
IME 8 GB is a minimum, 16 is enough for all my use cases.
 
5:09 AM
^
 
Yeah, those are the cheapest I can find 1866MHz. I can go slower and save $20, but $20 is not too significant to me
 
as long as you don’t compile C++ you should be good to go
 
I'm really just wondering whether to have 4x4GB(16) or 2x4GB + 2x8GB(24). I do compile C++ and Rust every few weeks.
 
Come on 16GB for 150 USD? lol.
I got premium 32 DDR 4 (2x16) RAM (corsair) for 100 bucks on ebay..,.How lucky I was
 
this might be retarded question, but if I have permission -rw-r--r-- on a php file, when it's loaded on the browser, can it be executed? x (executable) is obviously missing from permission ...
there is a form in the php
 
5:18 AM
@Telkitty Hm... I think it does not need to have the x bit unless you are using PHP in the CGI regime.
 
but when I ran it, there was no error given though
just form not sent
no error just not working <trollololo> :p
 
Well, try again with the x bit? :) Maybe I am wrong.
 
755 standardd permissions on executable files
 
5:42 AM
755 or 711
1 is x
r is 4
php is supposed to be executed, browser doesn't need to read it?
 
5:54 AM
Man Kaur only started running at the age of 93, but the 101-year-old stole the show at the World Masters Games in New Zealand by winning 100 meter gold.
The great-grandmother, the only athlete competing in the 100+ age category, completed the 100m in 74 seconds.
 
6:20 AM
@ProblemSlover That's really cheap.
 
@Mysticial yeah and it was almost a year ago.
 
I paid $1000 for 8 x 8GB back in 2014. And now it's sitting idle on my desk.
 
loooooool
 
No regrets though. I made very good use of it for more than 2 years before I upgraded.
 
how much are you paying for your strata/sink fund again?
 
6:23 AM
There's a very good chance it'll go back in the same box it was in. Since I'll be needing the new memory for a build later this year.
 
'A fool and his money are soon parted'
 
@Telkitty I actually don't have access to that information. So you'll need to flag for moderator attention for someone to take a look at the database.
 
@Mysticial arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/03/… .. Waiting for 2018..
 
@ProblemSlover Good stuff. HPC apps are so memory bound right now.
 
ScY
@Mysticial You always say that. What's going on between you two :v
 
6:27 AM
@Mysticial yeah. so you may want to cook up your 1K $ again meantime :P
 
@ProblemSlover That will be an amazing time... Lots of opportunity for public access to sophisticated AI and much higher resolution for graphics
 
@ScY It's a more polite of telling someone to fuck off.
 
ScY
Oh :)
 
@Aaron3468 Hope so. Terminator is around the corner :)
 
@Aaron3468 Half of all the SSE/AVX vectorization questions basically boil down to not having enough memory bandwidth.
 
6:31 AM
@ProblemSlover Not that sophisticated, but already your phone can tell you who's in your photos with reasonable accuracy. Soon your computer might be able to tell you that Mary is thinking about what's for supper because of her expression
@Mysticial Oh god, it's that bad?
 
@SpongyFruitcake generic API design is hard in C++
 
@Aaron3468 Yeah. Two threads running a for-loop over an array of doubles will saturate the memory bandwidth. And you can have more than 8 cores.
 
@LucDanton It worked pre 1.63
rip
 
So a lot of the auto-vectorization bullshit that people keep working and other people keep complaining about is a waste of time since you're saturating your bandwidth.
And compilers can't change your algorithm so that it uses less memory bandwidth.
So for the most part, that kind of optimization needs to be done manually.
 
6:37 AM
@SpongyFruitcake look around for BOOST_NO_CXX11_UNIFIED_INITIALIZATION_SYNTAX: do the docs mention it, does the boost config set it? what happens if you undef it yourself
happy hunting, I’ll be back in a bit
 
yep, works when I define it, I'll check docs
 
@Mysticial Hence why NUMA is easy to accidentally tune so that it's less performant than a simpler architecture
 
NUMA is at a completely different level.
As in, basic bandwidth optimization to NUMA is like algebra to differential calculus.
 
^^; I see, so it's actually a bit easier to work with the hardware itself than the NUMA
 
The leap from uniform memory to NUMA, IMO, is harder than the leap from sequential to parallel programming.
Not just because it destroys everything you're used to and learned in the past, but the capital investment (in hardware) needed to teach yourself it is absurdly high.
I have a 2006-era quad-opteron box that I've been using on and off for a number of years to poke at the problem. And I'm in need of something more modern. But I'm not entirely willing to fork out 10-grand to do it.
 
6:44 AM
Already reported on Boost tracker
 
There are good reasons to do and not to do it.
10 grand is probably enough to get someone through a basic programmers bootcamp. Which is sorta what I'm comparing it to.
 
MSVC warns me about an unreachable code that is actually reachable
 
it happens
also unused arguments that are used
 
Yeah I got that one too
Along with some weird boost warnings
(With standard boost stuff in Boost.Graph)
sigh
 
MSVC is a probabilistic compiler, it doesn't do a real tree parse. It generates some random numbers and diagnostics "okay that argument is unused" to pretend it understands what's going on.
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6:52 AM
@SpongyFruitcake Microsoft Stochastic Variance Compiler
Problem is we have a policy on warnings: for a code to be validated, the crapiler must issue 0 warning
 
#pragma warning disable
 
which makes sense of course
@SpongyFruitcake Unfortunately...
 
If we had a no-warnings policy we'd never ship any code.
 
MSVC + no warning policy is a terrible combo >.>
If you used clang or gcc, it might be a bit more realistic. I'd just disable specific warnings like dead code which are unlikely to affect the end product.
 
I won't be able to ship my fancy dependency graph stuff :(
@Aaron3468 I get "unreachable code" that is reachable, this is insane
 
6:56 AM
No, it's MSVC.
 
(I tested the binaries, ignoring the warnings and it worked as expected...)
The unreachable code ran... Several times!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Guide to clean code: github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code
> openParen = (slash + asterix) / equals;
 
@Horttanainen I've seen that already :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz But have you memorized it yet?
 
Practice makes perfect
I find a certain irony in the fact I had to correct the above message
 
7:09 AM
:D
 
7:20 AM
> In fact the previous behavior was inconsistent with std::optional
 
@LucDanton And the current behaviour still is :D
 
@SpongyFruitcake that’s easily excused, remember it pre-dates the standard version
I genuinely don’t know why my example compiles, I don’t think it should and the implementation looks correct
 
I think I saw it before somewhere but forgot
 
7:36 AM
@SpongyFruitcake Next thing: #pragma warning(disable:<...>) working for any warning but one
WTH
template <class Model>
struct check
{
    virtual void failed(Model* x) // <-- Warning c4100: unreferenced formal parameter
    {
        x->~Model();
    }
};
Good job MSVC
 
hi rerito
 
@Rerito I'd add a local warning disable and a comment
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's in a boost header
 
@Rerito wrap the header include then
 
Included internally by other boost headers
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah that's what I did
 
7:42 AM
wrap it on top level you include
 
But it's a PITA
 
but it works
that's an accurate description of C++ development on the whole, so I'm not sure why you're surprised
 
@BartekBanachewicz Actually, C++ development is not such a PITA when it's done with a reliable compiler
 
@Rerito cannot reproduce
 
@wilx Of course not, have you read the second paragraph? :)
@RafaelCamposNunes I wouldn't have ended with a :) if it was real...
 
8:00 AM
@TonyTheLion Sup Tony!
 
not much. you?
 
> Java insists you specify the type of every variable twice.
heh
 
@TonyTheLion Trying to buy a car these days
That's a real pita, even worse than MSVC
 
@Rerito you got some ideas of what you want?
Ferrari or Porsche? :P
 
@TonyTheLion Nothing fancy, it's for urban purposes mainly so something like a Renault Clio, Peugeot 207/208
 
8:08 AM
oh nice
 
I spotted an offer on a Chevy Aveo which seems nice
 
Still with chevy, I'ld rather get a chevelle ss but heh gotta be pragmatic here :D
 
I proposed a new site for wildlife: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/109510/…
 
Ven
Hi
 
Joe
8:16 AM
hi
 
Hi
 
user1804599
Hey
 
Joe
is it ok to say so in english : the amplitude of the detected ultrasonic waves is decreasing more the more it propagate through the sample
 
user1804599
@Rerito popkek
 
user1804599
8:17 AM
@Joe "propagates"
 
@Telkitty Our cat found this in our balcony yesterday: imgur.com/RWq38Bn
 
@Joe «more the more» doesn't sound right, I'd suggest something like this: «the more the amplitude of the detected ultrasonic waves is decreasing, the more it propagate through the sample»
if you want to keep the same wording
 
nwp
@login_not_failed that inverts cause and effect
 
@nwp I'm like 0 in physics, so I need more context to word this properly, but «more the more» is definetely not right
 
nwp
8:34 AM
I just noticed again that python programmers seem to have a performance obsession that is only shared by C++ game developers. I wonder why that is, given that the languages have such different performance characteristics.
 
oh, that wasn't right at all, was writing this while talking with our development director, it should be:
«the more the detected ultrasonic waves propagate through the sample, the more their amplitude is decreasing»
 
@TonyTheLion Still in London?
 
@Horttanainen ask it on wildlife :p
 
@Rerito I am
 
You don't fear the brexit thingy?
Did you get the brit nationality?
 
8:36 AM
oh it makes me uncomfortable
but there's not much I can do about it
I just hope that travel between here and EU isn't going to become too difficult
or arduous
@Rerito No, and I have no such plans
 
@Rerito I don't get segment B cars
 
EU's current stance apparently is that UK will have to give people the right for permanent residency if they have been there legally long enough
@TonyTheLion what if it was that or leave?
I'm getting Irish citizenship vOv
 
@thecoshman then I would probably leave
 
fuck the UK
 
@TonyTheLion how come?
 
8:38 AM
@BartekBanachewicz That's because you don't live in the mess that Paris area is
 
because I don't want to have to become some other nationality just because I want to live in another country
 
Then you'ld know how much a PITA it is to park a large car
 
I suspect travel will become awkward, mostly out of principle
 
@Rerito the thing is that the "next tier" is mostly a bit longer. They aren't that much harder to park, yet vastly superior on the highway/when packing.
and their rear seat row is actually usable
 
I can see checks at airports being really strict that UK citizens must go through the non EU passport checks that will always be understaffed
 
8:41 AM
@BartekBanachewicz It's not the difficulty to park, it's the difficulty to find a spot you can fit in
 
And it would be a joke if the UK didn't start getting much tighter at airports and maybe even requiring visas!
 
@thecoshman yea I fear this may become the most annoying part of traveling post brexit
 
@TonyTheLion hence my plans for UK & Irish passports :D
It'd put my European status into a super position
 
I can't really be bothered getting UK passport
 
@Rerito oh well, apparently Aveo II is exactly as wide as Golf IV
 
8:44 AM
@BartekBanachewicz That's what it looked like anyway
 
10cm shorter though
 
@TonyTheLion You just use your homeland one (Is that public info btw, your homeland?)
 
@Rerito my friend's Fiesta is also more or less as wide, but much shorter. Again, smaller trunk and less space but I don't think it's that much easier to park
 
@thecoshman Yea I use my homeland one
 
@BartekBanachewicz The density is not the same as it is here
I can assure you it's a nightmare to find a spot when you have to park somewhere near Paris
 
8:50 AM
I love the difference between America and EU, Yanks don't have passports because they just don't travel, whilst Europeans travel so much it's easier to just need one :P
Says a lot about the cultures
 
@Rerito then get a motorbike :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm considering it but I'm still afraid of dying or worse, losing a limb (or being paralysed)
5
 
@thecoshman also when asked for an ID card you are expected to pull out the national id card and not your drivers license,...
 
@ratchetfreak that's kinda ironic really, America so obsessed with trying to ID you (despite it being against it's founding ideas) has terrible ID systems, whilst EU the takes a rather more relaxed approach, yet we have have a few really good options for IDing people :P
 
@Rerito So losing a limb (or being paralysed) makes you scared of driving a motorbike but not of writing C++? Great sense of risk.
 
8:57 AM
@SpongyFruitcake Nonsense, you know that C++ writing consists solely in rolling your face over the keyboard
 
Mostly the butt for me, otherwise I get syntax errors
 
what is clamav doing in my /etc/aliases ?
 
Joe
rightfold login_not_failed thank you
 
9:17 AM
Running SCT (XML) scriptlets directly from the Internet, encrypted. What a nice feature. 😏 Talk by @enigma0x3 #OPCDE https://t.co/N9pCMf3Z38
yumm
 
9:46 AM
yes! redirect noreply@telkitty.com.au to /dev/null !!!
 
nwp
@Telkitty redirect it to telkitty.com.au/people who reply to noreply addresses.html
arguably having a noreply address is a bug in itself
 
getting support from hosting company
they are making me rely on them
by providing good services
 
Joe
10:09 AM
how can I express this sentence in a better english : In the beginning of doing the measurements on different samples
 
s/In the beginning/at the start/
 
Joe
thanks you
what about this: it was less sticky, less messy, more effective, and easier to clean it out.
I want to express it in a better english
 
em ... maybe you should go to a chat on english : chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/95/english-language-usage
 
Ell
10:31 AM
*Main> parseTest program small_scope_test
1:1:
unexpected backspace
uh oh
something funky is going on :V
 
11:26 AM
I've got problems with SQLAlchemy. It's so damn annoying.
 
guise, is there something in the STL to perform the logical and on 2 predicates
something like auto and_predicate = std::logical_and([](auto const& t) { return some_condition_on(t); }, [](auto const& t) { return other_condition_on(t); });
 
@Rerito no
 
Ah, that's sad :(
 
nwp
@Rerito why not just use a lambda? Too difficult to read?
 
@nwp I want to have a factory to build these logical and/logical or predicates
Sure I could use a lambda
 
Ell
11:36 AM
@Morwenn are you using the ORM?
 
@Ell I am.
 
I just wanted to have an elegant way to combine them
 
11:50 AM
> the worst user interface since I was slapped by the Wells Fargo teller.
 
Welp, the corporate DNS lost my host name and ipconfig /registerdns did not help.
 
12:03 PM
@Rerito stop being such a sissy. Do it smartly and you'll be fine vOv
 
Ell
@Morwenn what are your issues?
 
-1
Q: How to connect windows in C ++?

Samuel IvesI'm doing some programs in Windows API and thought at one point that I need to leave an Open GL or DirectX window linked to a main window as if it were toolbars that you can remove as in some programs like photoshop or the autodesk maya viewport

/cc @Mysticial
 
@BartekBanachewicz You clearly haven't ridden a bike near Paris, it's insane here
 
@Ell UnmappedColumnError, but if I display the columns handled by the mapper right before the query that causes the problem, it says that said column is mapped.
 
12:21 PM
"my program gets crazy" that might be a good description of an ex, but not for a program bug. Please create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example and describe the input, the expected output vs the observed behavior. — bolov 5 mins ago
xD
 
 
2 hours later…
2:09 PM
@Borgleader Should I also apply that MCVE concept to my girlfriend
Input: Getting home drunk and late, expected output: beloving gf welcoming you warmly, observed behavior: you get bashed and have to sleep on the couch
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz why do you link facebook? I almost clicked it.
 
Ven
149
Q: Why is 👩‍👩‍👧‍👦 treated so strangely in Swift strings?

Ben LeggieroThe character 👩‍👩‍👧‍👦 (family with two women, one girl, and one boy) is encoded as such: U+1F469 WOMAN, ‍U+200D ZWJ, U+1F469 WOMAN, U+200D ZWJ, U+1F467 GIRL, U+200D ZWJ, U+1F466 BOY So it's very interestingly-encoded; the perfect target for a unit test. However, Swift doesn't seem to know h...

 
I wonder if it has designated shitting streets
@nwp why not? it's a page like any other
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz maybe
 
2:18 PM
@nwp what
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz facebook is evil and therefore should not be linked to?
I have no actual argument so I thought linking a funny cartoon would save me.
 
@Ven unicode stopped being just a text encoding apparently
 
@nwp ...right
so yeah no
 
2:44 PM
@Rerito Sounds like your gf ICEd up :P
 
nwp
@Rerito definitely could not reproduce that night
 
3:00 PM
@Rerito Never sleep on the couch. Ever. Your bed is yours.
 
who was the lounger with the psycho abusive gf
 
@wilx I like to sleep on couches.
 
I got mail server and contact form working, I have been send the contact form info into noreply which is pointed to /dev/null, no wonder I didn't receive anything
 
@Morwenn More than you like to sleep on your bed?
 
god I'm laughing at India, and meantime in Poland
fuck religious people who think everyone should respect their faith
 
nwp
3:18 PM
Someone tagged this wrong. It cannot be Java because Deck does not inherit from Card.
 
@Borgleader wut
 
@wilx Sometimes.
 
@Ven Inb4 unicode encoded 4k movies.
 
3:33 PM
@ratchetfreak blame japan
 
@JerryCoffin Curious, how do you deal with the problem of the cellphone going off, but you can't hear it because you're in the opposite side of the house? I've missed probably half a dozen calls so far because if I leave my phone charging in the computer room, I can't hear it in the living room when I'm watching basketball.
This wasn't a problem for me at my old apartment since it was much smaller and everything is more or less within line of sight of everything else. So I could always hear my phone regardless of where it was.
 
I often think livestocks aren't as dumb as we make them to be, we just say that they are to make ourselves feeling better
 
3:49 PM
Whoa!! This YT video claims Japanese have dubbed the newest Ghost in the Shell film with Scarlet Johanson with original anime VAs. I want to see that version! (...with English subtitles, of course)
 
4:02 PM
@Mysticial Exactly!
 
@Mysticial I mostly keep the phone with me during the day, and only charge it at night (in the bedroom). IOW, rather than the phone being a useful tool, I'm pretty much a slave to it.
 
@JerryCoffin I'm starting to resent this in technology... thinking I might just get a basic GSM phone for reading texts and receiving calls. ergh... I get tired of being tracked
 
@thecoshman I don't want it to receive calls. I want to be able to make calls when I want to, but the ideal phone wouldn't have a ringer at all... :-)
 
My phone is basically always in 'do not disturb' mode
I use it more like a PDA really :P
but I think that's the norm these days
 
4:26 PM
@thecoshman I wish I could (at least at times--but my wife would be sorely unhappy with me if I did).
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
4:43 PM
@thecoshman I did it with a simple Nokia 100 and it is good! the charge holds for a week at least
 
oh I've definitely written modern C++ for more than 15 mins, and you've addressed none of my issues. It may be easier to read for you, but what type are those autos? what methods can I call on them? how do I know what docs to look up? what about compile time? — Ron E 39 secs ago
this guy has issues alright -.-
@RonE dunno if you're in chat but if you are then come over and tell me how much time you've saved by not using auto.
 
@BartekBanachewicz indeed :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz To be fair, overuse of auto does hurt readability.
 
@Mysticial no. Not having enough explicit type information does.
Note the subtle inversion there.
 
But the "increase in compile time" thing is probably bullshit.
 
4:55 PM
and in that particular case, those autos are just renamed expressions. They shouldn't modify the type of those structs' fields
but I'm not going to explain that to that guy in a comment thread
 
I don't see the difference. Looking at that code, I don't know what types those autos are auto-ing to. Are they integers? floats? how large?
 
@Mysticial It's not important.
You're asking the wrong questions (just like Ron)
 
I argue it is important.
 
sure. Why do you think so?
 
You're saying that it doesn't matter whether something is an integer or a float?
Or some user-defined object?
 
4:58 PM
@Mysticial you can hover over the variable declared with auto in MSVS15+ and see the type right away
 
@Mysticial No. I'm saying it's not important in this context.
 
@login_not_failed That doesn't work if you're not using an interactive IDE.
 
sadly, Qt Creator which I am using don't know these tricks
@Mysticial to be fair, anything could be abused to hurt the readability
 
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