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12:47 AM
@Telkitty Yes, this is a fence that's been there for a while. Trump's idea is to replace it with a wall or maybe to add walls to other parts of the border--I don't think he's ever really given much detail (my guess would be that he's never really thought about it in any real detail).
 
he never gave obamacare a thorough thought either until now
 
12:59 AM
@Ell It means that I can take it "as needed"
 
@SpongyFruitcake timing out or similar right now
 
@Telkitty awwww
Trump is a big-picture thinker. Details like reality are for the people he hires to deal with
 
> Après un effet spécial, le coq pond un oeuf (?!) et qui sort de l'oeuf ? Marine Le Pen
quoi le phoque
 
big-picture thinker should know that ugly things are there because people couldn't get prettier versions to work
 
1:29 AM
@LucDanton un mot : japon
 
@SpongyFruitcake en prenant l’article au mot (i.e. je blaire pas le japonais) je suppose qu’il y a pire comme vulgarisation
@SpongyFruitcake ué les gimmicks
à part la baguette ça c’est 100% logique
 
manque juste une petite référence aux édriseurs
 
@Telkitty you're assuming he's good at big-picture thinking, and doesn't dismiss the failures of others as mere idiocy
 
@SpongyFruitcake pls no
 
ah oui c'est vrai que t'es plus carbotine toi
 
1:33 AM
I used to look at house with weird layout and ask: "why wasn't it designed better". Then I started to learn things about construction industry and know that weird layouts are usually to do with physical constrains - a lot of the times it's because some parts are extensions and the owner wanted to save money and built around old building
 
quand les poules auront des dents et les coqs pondront des œufs
 
1:50 AM
@SpongyFruitcake tu m’as inspiré j’vais me faire du thé au macaron
 
ça existe ça ?
 
tragiquement oui
 
> Europe was and is the moving force for the mankind. It is objectively the pinnacle of human civilization. Saying "we are the greatest" is the truth and all the other cultures and civilizations are free to do whatever they want to do.
lol
 
European man’s burden
 
2:24 AM
> Aucune commune ne correspond à Hong Kong
 
@SpongyFruitcake véridique
 
je fais ma demande de procuration pour voter marine
 
 
2 hours later…
4:52 AM
> <sikory> hmmm, people found a severed head in amsterdam
<sikory> police thinks that it might be connected to the headless body they found yesterday
<Gamah> sikory: well obviously it's not connected...
 
@Shoe :D
 
 
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6:23 AM
des édriseurs, que sont-ce ?
 
Ven
6:48 AM
Hi
 
@Mysticial Windows Server 2016 Storage Spaces, massive fail. 24x8TB combined array goes 80x slower than hardware RAID.
 
7:16 AM
143004GB, nice
 
7:28 AM
@Mikhail Worse, its random write speed is about tied with what you could expect from a bottom-end machine at Best Buy. Worse still, that same cheapo machine would probably have 3-4x better sequential write speed.
 
37 MB/s!!!!
 
@Mikhail Remembering when that would have qualified as decent performance (even for a low-end machine) makes me feel ancient.
 
7:41 AM
Is there any decent SMTP client library? I.e., I want to send emails from C++ code and I do not want to have to deal with all the BS that is necessary to create a valid email and to communicate with SMTP server.
 
Some dude wrote a library for Qt that does this... That is the only one I've used.
 
amazing
my pip just broke itself
 
should have used frozen
 
7:58 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Broke itself. Ehm. Are you sure it wasn't you who broke it? :)
@Mikhail Qt seems like rather heavy weight dependency. :(
 
Unless you already go it :-)
Idk, even viruses back in the late 90s deployed a whole common lisp enviorment + SQL
Same benchmark with no parity (aka "Simple"), still 2x worse than the Adaptec hardware card.
 
@Rerito tu sais vraiment pas ce qu'est un édriseur ?? /cc @Luc
 
@SpongyFruitcake Et bien non, je suis un ignorant
Je sais juste que l'édriseur est à la carbotine ce que le pain au chocolat est à la chocolatine
 
Ben tu vois que tu connais
 
soit mais qu'est-ce concrètement ?
 
8:06 AM
Une machine à marner qui n'utilise pas de flux kétastatique. D'où son nom.
(un édriseur ne fonctionne qu'en analogue)
 
What's with all the French in here?
 
yeah what gives
 
8:25 AM
Guys, I'm having a hard time trying to return a movable but non-copyable object by value with vs2010
 
@Rerito Stop using VS?
 
@Morwenn I'm gonna have a hard time trying to achieve that
 
Hehe :D
 
> vs2010
 
@Rerito If the value is a function parameter, I'm not surprised.
 
8:29 AM
0 pity for VS 2010 users
Anything below 2013 is unacceptable
2013 is already barely tolerable
 
@Morwenn Hint: it's not
Same configuration than this: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/eaed2b1b89e1a4d4
 
@Rerito Well, you're fucked then.
<3
 
This fucktard seems to want to use the copy constructor (which is deleted of course)
this crapiler is so full of shit
 
You could explicitly move in the return, but it would inhibit NRVO.
 
@Morwenn That's what I ended up trying: still erroring
 
8:32 AM
Seriously xD
 
nwp
you could also wrap it in a pointer and bring your code down to VS2010 level
 
The only way it doesn't end up in a fail is to explicitly std::move and change the return type to Toto&&
 
Or have an "out" parameter in your function.
 
Which is even uglier to my taste
I should try out the same snippet in VS2013 just in case
 
@Rerito don’t return a dangling reference
 
8:38 AM
@LucDanton This means you can't return movable but non-copyable objects by value in VS2010. That's insane
Oh and it's the same shite with VS2013
 
Yes
How new are you to VS exactly
 
Oh funny, it manages to return a raw unique_ptr by value
But when I wrap in inside a class, I get fucked
 
nwp
probably because they made a special case for that
 
is that the thing where you have to declare/write the special members every time?
 
@LucDanton Could be, you mean I should try to explicitly define the 5?
 
8:45 AM
I don’t really know I’ve never used the thing, it’s all from the top of my head from the many complaints we’ve seen here
 
@LucDanton it is
or replace with shared_ptr everywhere
 
@SpongyFruitcake garbage tier
 
The thing is fixed in 2015.
 
hence we can estimate that C++17 support will appear by 2021
 
Être optimiste est un devoir moral.
 
Ven
8:52 AM
Être optimiste prématurément est la racine de tous les maux.
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Never be an optimist.
 
Un catamaran c'est bien plus drôle
 
@LucDanton Yeah that's exactly this
It compiles fine with user declared ctors
 
rule of workarounds
 
@LucDanton In the end it seems VS does not generate default move special members
 
9:06 AM
yes, you need to write them explicitly
you can't even explicitly default them
 
Wait, I should learn to read .____.
 
:36345221 VS2010 doesn't know "default" :D
 
And also to write apparently.
@Rerito Haha, that's even more terrible than I thought xD
 
nwp
to be fair it is VS2010, you cannot expect it to be good at C++11
 
9:12 AM
@nwp It's the same with 2013
 
9:35 AM
anyone used rust?
 
what's that?
 
a common name for oxidized iron
 
Ven
I did clean off rust from my frontgate a few years back.
 
@BartekBanachewicz oxidised
 
Ven
9:37 AM
It wasn't rly fun.
 
@exitcode never heard of this language before
probably because I don't do webdev
 
???
Are you joking?
'Rust is a systems programming language that runs blazingly fast, prevents segfaults, and guarantees thread safety. '
 
Oh, I missed that part. The sample code looked awfully like Ruby so I just assumed it'd be a webthing.
 
supposedly it might be a good c++ alternative but I was wandering whether it's any good for larger projects yet
I think it probably is
 
@exitcode nice troll
 
9:40 AM
I'm not trolling, just ignorant
 
@BartekBanachewicz american vs british spelling
 
oh the spelling right
nvm thought you meant rust
 
Is rust functional?
 
It compiles and runs correctly
 
9:42 AM
No I mean functional in style
And would it be harder to learn than C++
Because I feel like I wouldn't benefit from its 'safety'
 
It seems very interesting
Any benchmarks?
 
Supposedly on par with c++
or close to C
 
It says "blazingly fast" but I don't see benchmarks.
 
probably a good idea of its speed
 
Not really, this site has terribly unidiomatic and inefficient code.
Anyway I would probably be wary of a language that claims to be "blazingly fast" without supporting its claims, don't you think.
 
Ven
9:45 AM
This way of matching characters is atrocious, even...
WTF do people think streams are for.
 
@SpongyFruitcake It's a pretty well established language at this point
 
herp derp
 
Never heard of it before
 
Waiting for quality refactoring tools and decent autocompletion
 
It was voted stack overflow's 'most loved' language
second time in a row
a couple of weeks ago I think
Might be the future
Come a long way in a short time as well, already starting to get support and usage, very active development from mozilla, large open source community etc
 
9:47 AM
Sure, I'll believe it when I see job offers (and benchmarks).
 
I remember trying to learn it like 2 years ago
@SpongyFruitcake You'll probably find some on the subreddit if you have a look, I can't access it from here
 
Burden of proof ain't on me.
 
I remember you topping the starboard around that time
 
@SpongyFruitcake I'm not pushing it, just asking about it
 
Nov 12 '15 at 22:32, by exitc0de
rust is too safe
 
9:50 AM
@milleniumbug oh lets forget about back then
 
@exitcode if you think you wouldn't benefit from language's safety then you most definitely would
 
Ven
@exitcode you mean the poll 75+% of people said they were web developers?
I thought it wasn't a web language.
 
@Ven its general purpose
 
Ven
Why would all web developers suddenly want to use a "systems programming" language? It doesn't make sense.
 
@exitcode by people who have never used it but want to be hip
 
9:51 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't make anything complicated or skillful enough to probably make use of safety features
@BartekBanachewicz it is pretty hyped
I think it has a better chance than D
 
@exitcode ditto
@exitcode that's for sure
 
@exitcode that's purely due to PR I think
 
never heard of it before
 
@ratchetfreak probably
and go
But because of the PR and hype and attention it has potential for improvement
 
Ven
I've never heard of D, is it good?
 
9:54 AM
@Ven probably not
 
@Ven IMO it's a cleaned up C++ with GC
 
but don't ask me
swift looks nice but its developed by apple
 
@Ven what's that?
 
Ven
@SpongyFruitcake never heard of the D?
 
@exitcode "it's developed by Apple" is the least of its problems
frankly being developed by a huge company with huge money is a... huge benefit
 
9:58 AM
@Ven doesn't ring a bell
 
@BartekBanachewicz no but they might not ever support windows or other platforms than linux and os x
 
@BartekBanachewicz wink java
 
development moves even faster than rust
@SpongyFruitcake haha
 
@SpongyFruitcake dlang.org
 
@exitcode the compiler is open source and based on LLVM, so I don't think so.
 
Ven
9:59 AM
@SpongyFruitcake maybe I could introduce you to the D
 
@Ven please do
 
Ven
It does copying by blitting. The end.
 
@Ven blitting with a postblit operator
 
10:12 AM
what is composability
 
@Ven Yes, please.
 
nwp
10:37 AM
Slack doesn't like opera. Maybe I should give up on it. Just not sure which one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This room is governed by rules. Yes. Rules. Rules defined by moderators. Who are the moderators? Well they are elected. Who elects them? Users do. Who are the users?
et cetera et ad infinitum.
 
There's no link to the rules, and it just gets the whole thing wrong.
 
oh shit
This room is governed by rules. Yes. Rules. Rules defined by moderators. Who are the moderators? Well they are elected. Who elects them? Users do. Who are the users?
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fixed
I tried to be funny, and it didn't work. @R.MartinhoFernandes could you delete those messages, please?
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10:56 AM
Hi there
 
user1804599
11:23 AM
@Ven no its bad
 
Ven
11:41 AM
:orly:
 
@exitcode they will support windows, by virtue of ITunes
but that may never be released to the world
 
@slaphappy Hey :)
 
12:01 PM
@edition Here take your star of shame
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz kinda
It's a double edged sword
 
Java, Oracle.
 
this sounds like a provincial town in the US South
 
12:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz And Java generics are as clever as the random southern folk, how appropriate
 
@Morwenn hey georgeous
What's up
 
@slaphappy Am I from Georgie? :p
@slaphappy I don't remember when we last talked, but I surely gave a concert in Bordeaux meanwhile.
 
lol, stupid autocorrect
 
And... well, not much I guess.
What about you?
 
Cool, with your metal band?
 
12:22 PM
Yup :)
 
Ven
I need to go to bordeaux.
They have a cheese-only restaurant.
 
That sounds pretty great
Also like the frenchiest thing to exist
@Morwenn lots of new at work - I'm getting an intern and probably some business trips
 
@slaphappy I always wonder how the autocorrect things always manage to make up new words.
 
@Ven I missed that D:
@slaphappy Oh, good luck handling that :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I must have mistyped it once and now I'm doomed
 
12:25 PM
Have you ever had to handle an intern before?
 
I handle someone else's right now, not sure if that counts
Why do you ask? Are you concerned about my management skills?
 
@Ven are you looking for an internship?
 
Hehe, not bad.
 
Ven
@Rerito not anymore :)
 
@Rerito alternance
 
Ven
12:26 PM
and I wouldn't want to write C++ anyway. :P
 
@slaphappy It's more of a self-reflection. I'm unsure I would be able to handle anyone.
 
So @Ven did you find something?
 
@slaphappy Oh I was just asking to spare you a C++ noob :p
 
Ven
The Scala job I'm currently at.
 
Otherwise I could hear you rant from here hehehe
 
12:27 PM
@Morwenn "handling" depends a lot on the person
 
@slaphappy Right. Even so...
 
The intern right now gets stuff done by himself so I just tell him I need this and this and voila
 
Do you already have the subject for the future intern?
 
@slaphappy cool. I'd like to get an intern as well.
I could use one
e.g. "I need coffee"
 
@Rerito we had talks about internship with ven before but the guy who was supposed to take care of it is very lazy and ended up doing nothing instead
 
Ven
12:29 PM
^
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm probably getting two Indians as well lol
 
@slaphappy Is it the same guy that ended up doing nothing to recruit me as well?
 
No not the same guy
Though he did nothing either obviously
 
Ven
:D
 
Wooooow ^^'
 
12:31 PM
What
 
also I just delegated a task
 
@slaphappy Responsibilities. I tend to avoid them. That, plus what you described seemed like a fairly hairy situation.
 
Oh guys (french speakers), have fun: ladepeche.fr/article/2017/03/28/…
@Morwenn you also seem to be the kind of guy that doesn't like to enforce things
 
@Rerito Depends on what you mean by that.
 
@Morwenn Things like "screw you guys, we do it my way"
 
12:44 PM
@Rerito Oh yeah, I indeed don't like that.
I'm the kind to propose ideas, show why the current ones suck, and if they want to use the ones that suck, just go with « told ya so ».
 
Yeah
And as a typical french, you should also add a bit of salty ranting in the process
 
There's always salty ranting :D
 
1:06 PM
Closed as off-topic because: no humanitarian obligation
 
nwp
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Q: How to get beautiful shape of bunny?

Kadyrbek NarmamatovI was rendering bunny and buffered indices,colors,normals,vertices for each vertex. But I have a problem, I am getting same and ugly 2D picture when I compile it. I thought it was because of lights, but could do nothing with lights. I suspect that it is because of my drivers. Can some pro say wha...

I want to know the answer too
 
@nwp Make that a fun question on CodeGolf. You're more likely to get an answer.
 
nwp
It'll just be show_beautiful_bunny() in matlab because matlab has a builtin for everything.
 
@nwp maybe an emacs macro with that
 
nwp
1:29 PM
static const int i = 42;
static const int j = i; //error: initializer is not a constant
C is fun
 
ScY
1:48 PM
Wait, you think qualifying i with const should make it a constant? You must be insane.
 
Ven
^
 
@nwp #constexprFTW
 
Ven
@Mgetz in C?
 
... macros ...
 
hmm, I wonder how much more time will combustion engines in cars and bikes be around
 
nwp
1:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz reminds me of I Robot. "Does this bike run on gas? Gas explodes you know!"
 
@Ven no, C is horrible
 
@nwp it's also a perfect energy storage
look at this huge battery pack
 
@BartekBanachewicz a lot longer than we think, Combustion is at its core just an uncontrolled Redox reaction.
@BartekBanachewicz looks about the same as a 500cc engine
 
@Mgetz weighs much more though
 
@BartekBanachewicz that'll change
 
1:58 PM
@Mgetz will it, though?
Why can't we just synthesize cleanly burning fuel
 
@BartekBanachewicz in theory yes, although we're getting close to the energy density of plastic explosives
@BartekBanachewicz we can, it's called hydrogen
it makes a nice battery too
 
I'd buy an electric off-road bike anyway
makes sense to drive them in the forest I suppose
 
they have the distinct advantage of being less likely to cause a fire too
 
@BartekBanachewicz conservation of energy (and conversion losses) means that synthesizing fuel requires more energy than burning the fuel gives.
 
@ratchetfreak so what? It's also easier to produce energy at massive plants where the fuel is synthesized anyway
 
2:03 PM
@ratchetfreak everybody focuses on the fact that renewables don't always produce when you want them to. Personally I'm of the belief we should actually use this to our advantage by using excess capacity to produce fuel
we'll call it the Hydrogen Storage Solution
 
@BartekBanachewicz it'll take a while. Nostalgia will probably keep them around the longest. The next hardest thing to solve is the fact that you can fill a tank with fuel very fast, batteries take time to charge. So whilst electric cars have range for one tank/charge to speed makes liquid fuel very nice. But if the range of a single charge becomes good enough, that will not matter any more
 
@thecoshman the range is already good enough for most of the people for most of their trips
I suppose it's longer travel that's gonna be problematic
 
nwp
I never understood that actually. Modern batteries are made of small cells, they should be chargeable in parallel.
Too much heat? Not enough incoming power?
 
charging a single cell can take a long time
charging them in parallel already happens
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz it's not perfect
It's toxic, that's not a good thing :P
It produces greenhouse gasses also
Nothing is perfect :(
 
2:10 PM
11 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Why can't we just synthesize cleanly burning fuel
hydrogen is pretty nice
@nwp yeah, heat is a big thing
 
Ell
The fact that it's explosive isn't a good thing either
But yeah
Oops almost got run over looking at my phone
Although I blame the person not indicating :V
 
@Ell lel
I always wonder about those cyclists on the road
riding in casual clothes and pretty carelessly because they're slow
and then they say how motorbikes are dangerous
 
@BartekBanachewicz statistically they are?
 
2:26 PM
@Mgetz dunno actually
it's hard to put the numbers in the proper context
> According to the National Motorycle Institute,

"Based on today’s fatality rates, driving a motorcycle is approximately 27 times more dangerous than driving a car, mile for mile.
which would mean that if you're a heavy car driver with say 25k miles in the year, you're as likely to die in a crash as if you did a thousand miles on a motorcycle
 
nwp
> Statistically the last wagon on a train is 10 times more likely to kill it's passengers in a crash. That would mean we should just leave the last wagon in the station.
 
@nwp I think my parallel made more sense
 
@BartekBanachewicz so I think that you'd have to break it down situationally. How do fatality rates compare when the rider is in a largely cycle only context. How much does proper clothing help etc.
 
the study specifically says "mile for mile"
but then again, if they count miles clocked by e.g. highway trucks
that might well be totally different from the driving habits of a typical car user
 
@BartekBanachewicz ironically actual highway trucks are not very safe. They are only 'safe' because they are massive and thus unlikely to be the 'loser' in a contest of physics
 
2:33 PM
@Mgetz highways are safe in general
@Mgetz but still, in "deaths per miles" they'd probably be on top (the least) when it comes to road transport
 
@BartekBanachewicz probably not actually, because of the extreme amount of miles racked up and the experience of the drivers in relation to other classes of driver.
 
@Mgetz "the least"
a truck driver might do yearly mileage of about 10-20 times the modest driver
that means he could do his lifetime "allocation" in about 5 years of driving
 
but again this tells you nothing about how likely is the Prius driver to die driving his meager miles in the city
 
^ Reading the ruling is interesting. TBH, I still do not understand exactly why the drivers won.
 
2:38 PM
@wilx packing for (shipment or distribution) vs (packing for shipment) or distribution
 
> According to court documents, the drivers distribute perishable food, but they don't pack it.
I still do not understand how that helps the drivers. I am thick.
 
@wilx because it means that "or distribution" is not an excluded activity because that part of the line is referring to packing
so it means that the line ONLY refers to packaging
 
@wilx waaait
I think I misunderstood as well
I think it's different
> drying, marketing, storing *while* packing for shipment or distribution of:
> drying, marketing, storing *and* packing for shipment or distribution of:
 
@BartekBanachewicz this is correct, the court ruled that the former interpretation won
 
nwp
2:42 PM
@Mgetz they ruled that it is unclear which makes the laborer win by default
 
@nwp legal standards in the US have held that lists without an oxford comma the item after the and is to be included in the prior clause
thus in the US the Oxford comma is part of precedent
 
A full day writing documentation. So much fun.
 
@Morwenn that's what I'm supposed to be doing, but focus is eluding me
 
I just finished. I found several bugs in what I was documented, so now I have to file issues.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, cost is probably the biggest issue for them right now. That and maybe lack of infrastructure. Charging at home is fine, but out and about can be a pita I am sure
 
2:49 PM
@thecoshman it would really be a pita having to stop in a middle of nowhere for hours to charge
also much easier to take backup tanks
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I stopped for the one who did indicate and then started crossing
then when I was halfway across I looked up and there was a car there :P
 
yeah, it's so easy to take extra fuel for your care, or if needs be, have someone drive out with a wee can for some extra in an emergency
 
Funny enough, I'd actually buy an electric car as well
if they didn't cost twice as much as the IC ones equivalents
 
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