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12:00 AM
copy_er_i_mean_modify
Lol, a domain I once owned (dolazy.com) is now a Korean website.
 
jli
I should buy a .io domain
there's still 2 character domains available there
 
I should really buy a domain. Then park my ass on it until I think of something.
 
jli
Resume type website?
 
how about gl
?
 
 
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1:31 AM
If you put a lamb on fire it becomes a lamp.
 
 
2 hours later…
3:11 AM
Hey, would anyone be willing to help with a Computational Complexity question?
It'd be great if someone could just check my work:
for (i = 0; i < 2*n; i += 2) {
for (j=n; j > i; j--) {
foo();
}
}

# of foo() calls for the second loop as i changes:

1. n - 0
2. n - 2
3. n - 4
n. n - f(x); f(x) = last term -2; where f(0) = 0

Total foo() calls of algorithm = Summation(n - f(x)) from [i = 0] to [n/2 (where f(x) == n)]
= Summation(n) - summation(f(x))
= (n/2)(n+n)/2 - (n/2)(0 + n)/2
= n^2/2 - n^2/4
= 3n^2/4
 
3:39 AM
You can ask the question on WolframAlpha. The answer it gives me is nothing close to my own back-of-the-envelope calculations :|
 
3:51 AM
Didn't know I could ask questions there, thanks!
Just realized that I had an subtracting error. My actual equation is n^2/4
*had a subtraction
 
> Think of a number. Realize that number will never think of you too. Lay on your bathroom floor and sob.
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4:38 AM
hello
 
hai
 
still having trouble with that function
if you have a moment/willing to see what i have so far
 
Cha, give me a moment. Just got home from work and am still in "hate everyone" mode.
 
dislike your coworkers?
 
Not really, just work at a restaurant and people are typically annoying.
@JohnSmith: Have you attempted to remove memoization and solve it that way?
 
4:50 AM
yes
that's what i am doing first
saving the memo for after the stack stuff works first
 
Sounds reasonable.
 
so far I have

def rec(a,b):
    stack=[]
    stack.append([a,b])

    while stack!=[]:
        a,b=stack.pop()
        r=n//w
        c=n%w
        if(c==0 and r==h): return 1 #leftover from my recursive algo
because normally it's a recursive counting algorithm where it returns 1 on the stopping condition; but with a stack i don't know how this is handled
 
user406009
Why can't you just use a table of past values combined with the recursive function?
 
recursion blows up if the problem's too large
i need to make it iterative
 
5:10 AM
0
Q: default argument function signature change

user258367I have a function whose current signature is f(a,b=0). I want to add another argument c. I want my function in such a way so that I can call f(a,b) which is currently the behavior and f(a,c). One way is to overload the function and duplicate the function code. I do not want to call f(a,b) from f(...

^ I can't make sense of it and I'm sure it's not my limited understanding or knowledge, so I voted to close it. Needs 4 more votes.
 
I think the single answerer figured it out.
> In 1988, Nintendo released Super Mario Bros. 2 for the NES. According to the first edition manual for the North American release of the game, Birdo is referred to as a male who believes he is female and would rather be called "Birdetta".
 
5:36 AM
Is it just me, or is the site unusually inactive for a weekend.
 
If you are new here, please read the newbie hints and keep the acronym list under your pillow. Thank you.
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what is the difference between a static and dynamic gmp library
 
user406009
Static and dynamic linking?
 
i use windows/visual studio 10
visual C++ 10 that is
not sure which one to dl
 
user406009
Yep, definitely static/dynamic linking.
 
user406009
5:42 AM
Almost no difference, but I would download the static one.
 
Perhaps I should go to sleep. It's almost 2 in the morning here.
But I'm not tired.
Decisions, decisions...
 
sbi
The good news is that I again have water in my garden. The bad news: there's another broken pipe in the garden house (dammit!), my drilling machine died (after 20 years), and I overworked my right wrist so badly, I have a hard time wiping my arse (and typing this message).
To think that Friday, 13th, passed by without any calamities at all, just to give me such a shitty Sat, 14th...
 
i dont understand these instructions
installing cygwin
make, gcc, and m4?
 
sbi
@JohnSmith Those weren't instructions. I was just whining.
 
no I am looking at this GMP site here
 
5:51 AM
@sbi Damn. Have you thought about getting drunk?
 
Can't tell if it means I instal Cygwin and MingGW or just one
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not sure I could hold a bottle of beer in my right hand. And I wouldn't trust my ability to pour alcohol into a glass, let alone holding a glass. Also, it's close to 8am here. Not the time to get drunk.
 
@JohnSmith Don't try to install GMP on Windows.
It's intentionally Windows-unfriendly.
 
@sbi Don't you have two hands?
 
should i do linux?
i have very little experience with C++/C on linux
i came across some code i'd like to run but i don't have gmp.h
 
sbi
5:53 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Have you ever tried to wipe your butt with your left hand? I did, and I reverted to using the right hand, whimpering, though, due to the pain in the wrist.
 
@sbi Yeah, I did, once. Had to wash my hands a few times afterwards.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel LOL!
@EtiennedeMartel Incidentally, that's a message ID with three zeros at the end.
 
sbi
The message ID of your message is #3302000.
 
Why is that incidental?
 
sbi
5:56 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Because only one in a thousand gets that? :)
 
user406009
@JohnSmith Why don't you try downloading (cs.nyu.edu/exact/core/gmp/gmp-static-vc-4.1.2.zip) and see how you go from there?
 
@sbi Oh. Yeah.
 
i don't think i can just include that header file and use it
 
sbi
> The problem with hobby software projects is that I have no deadlines to restrain my perfectionism.Much code is written;not much is finished. — James McNellis
> Perfectionism should make you write less, rather than lots of code. — sbi
 
user406009
@JohnSmith, Just downloaded it and it seems to come with 3 files, a header, the library, and a debug version of the library.
 
user406009
5:59 AM
Seems dead simple enough to use with any IDE.
 
yeah but when it comes to using huge datatypes i don't think i can just include the header and start using them
there's some weird process you have to do
 
I thought "perfectionism" was just a fancy way of saying "obsessed"?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Every -ism is an obsession, especially so generalism.
 
Ironic.
 
sbi
Someone caught my joke!!!11!
 
6:07 AM
I'm awesome.
 
user406009
@JohnSmith Look up adding static libraries in VS then.
 
user406009
Shouldn't be any different from any other library
 
user406009
The fancy instructions are only if you want to build your own copy.
 
the instructions starting at "Go to the SourceForge MinGW homepage."
don't make much sense and i wonder if they are perhaps outdated
it says to download (big green button) but then the step after that makes no sense
 
user406009
Yet again that guide is telling you how to build gmp.
 
user406009
6:14 AM
You only need to add the static library and the header to your project because the nice people at gmp have pre-built it for you.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel You are aweful.
 
@sbi Can't I be both?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Note that I did not write "awful".
You missed the joke. :(
 
@sbi Oh.
Dayum.
 
sbi
I thought playing a round of Quake would be too straining for my right hand, but I tried anyway. The good news: it's ok. It seems I need less of my right hand than for typing. The bad news: now I know that my left wrist is hurt, too. It's not even a tenth as bad as the right wrist, but keeping the AWSD keys busy all the time definitely hurts a lot.
I am so screwed.
@CheersandhthAlf You mean it suddenly wants to set a cookie, needs scripting permissions, and, given the latter, only shows a blank page on FF?
Oh. IE reveals that it's fallen into the hands of a domain hog.
That's bad.
Hey, that gave me the chance to be, for once, the first who noted that on a Wikipedia page!
@CheersandhthAlf Oh damn, Alf! You screwed me so badly!
I guess I should go back into bed, hide under the cover, and pretend to not to have been awake yet.
 
Don't be so dramatic.
 
@GManNickG I think there's a boost function for it. But I'm not sure what it's called.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel But drama fits my current state so well!
 
6:41 AM
Incrementing/decrementing the binary as an integer will do exactly what the OP wants provided the value isn't NaN, or INF.
 
@Mysticial Whoa really? I can't even imagine which library would contain that.
 
sbi
I walk in here to whine a bit, and then Alf comes along, cheers and HTH, and does me wrong. This room is a moloch.
 
*assuming IEEE double precision.
 
@sbi Everything is gonna be just fine.
 
@Mysticial Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
 
sbi
6:42 AM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: One does not simply walk into the C++ room. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
@EtiennedeMartel That's what i have thought for several decades. And it's been downhill all the time. :(
 
@GManNickG Heck, that works even for denormals... lol they designed it well
*flipping signs also won't work
 
@sbi Bad morning mood? :)
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yeah, sure. I've had that bad morning mood for decades.
 
is there any way to run python code on a cloud
this thing i am trying to run is using lots and lots of memory
 
@JohnSmith Run it on a laptop in an airplane?
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@GManNickG I guess you can make that an answer. :)
 
Yay. :)
 
It's funny how boost has all these specialized things, yet it doesn't have bignums.
 
Yeah. There's one in review right now though, finally.
 
does anyone here have the ability to run C/GMP?
 
7:04 AM
@GManNickG link?
the last one I saw was a few years old
@JohnSmith I can run C, but not GMP. Not that I'd ever need GMP...
 
i have a program i want to run but it uses GMP
 
The only time I've ever (directly) used GMP was when I was benchmarking it - on Linux.
 
@Mysticial lists.boost.org/Archives/boost/2012/04/191848.php (Warning, huge thread with lots of comments.)
 
@GManNickG oh cool, that's very recent
So it can attach GMP as a backend - nice. Unlike Java and C# which have crappy bignum support.
If it goes through, I wonder if I can attach my own backend.
 
Yeah, AFAIK it's extremely flexible and is basically just a front-end that does expression templates, with a built-in (and relatively speedy!) implementation to make it usable in a default state.
Thanks for the tip-off to that floating-point question, by the way: stackoverflow.com/a/10160228/87234
 
7:15 AM
@GManNickG upboated already :)
 
I love boats.
 
sbi
3
A: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

TodI would add Robert Martin's "Clean Code - The Handbook or Agile Software Craftsmanship" to the beginner list. Even though most of the examples are in Java, the code and concepts are easily grokked by any object oriented programmer. Learning to write clean, easy to maintain easy to test code shoul...

> What's this to do in a C++ book list? – sbi
Damn, why doesn't this chat onebox comments anymore?
 
@GManNickG I have a pretty ridiculous self-made bignum library left over from my Pi computing project. Currently it has a usable C-interface. But I've yet to find the time to build a C++ wrapper.
 
@Mysticial Well now you better make time. :P
 
@GManNickG I almost started the C++ wrapper. The problem is that operator overloading restricts the parameters. So I can't pass extra parameters such as the precision, # of threads, scratch memory, etc...
So that's why I've left it as a C interface for now.
So it's a design issue that made me back off.
 
7:20 AM
@sbi: I'm quite grateful that you keep up-to-date with answers posted to that question.
@Mysticial: Yeah, that's sticky. Would be neato if you could do this: a +(extra, args) b.
 
sbi
@GManNickG I am right now going through the answers and try to form an opinion on each one. Many I have already downvoted. I would appreciate if you guys would follow my lead (start at the bottom), read my comments, add your own if you have an opinion on a book, and vote. There's some really bad stuff there (like a book on Agile Programming in Java). Let's wipe those out.
 
@sbi Yes, sir!
 
@GManNickG Threads is the biggest problem. To make any threaded bignum app efficient, you pretty much need to micromanage the # of threads you use...
 
@Mysticial That kind of delicacy scares me.
 
sbi
@GManNickG Hey! I wrote "I would appreciate if you..."
 
7:24 AM
Sorry, sir!
 
Of course, if Boost is gonna use GMP as a backend, they won't care, since it won't be threaded anyway.
 
@Mysticial: What do you mean?
 
@GManNickG GMP doesn't support multithreaded operations. Judging from their mailing list, they've been actively resisting it for the past 5 years now.
 
@Mysticial What?! That's dumb. Or maybe I'm dumb, but I see zero reason why that needs to be the case for them (implementation-wise).
 
The biggest problem is that they aren't convinced that it will help. (they obviously haven't seen my library) And it doesn't fit into the interface.
part of the problem is that GMP is like 20 years old? It wasn't initially designed for threading. So now it makes it extremely difficult for them to do so.
Yes, code can be rewritten, but interfaces can't. You'd have to add new functions...
And the algorithms that they use are - should I say - not very well suited to parallelism... eek
 
7:33 AM
Ah, gotcha. Good, because I was going to learn GMP but decided against it, seems to be a fair decision.
@sbi: I'm with you on not accepting a book from 1997 ("Industrial Strength C++"), ha.
 
@GManNickG It's still the "only" thing around. I don't plan on open-sourcing mine - though I'll probably do a shared-library distribution in the future.
 
@Mysticial Hopefully the Boost one takes off, then. I hate being forced to use old, crappy libraries.
What magnitude of numbers are you processing where you do primitive operations concurrently? Fries my noodle, I though the algorithms were inherently serial and not worthwhile to thread.
 
Granted, my own library isn't particularly fast for small numbers. I doesn't beat GMP until at least a few hundred digits - which is larger than what most people would need.
Threading doesn't help until the numbers are a million digits large - too much overhead.
*as in performing a single multiplication with multiple threads.
@GManNickG Large multiplications use divide-and-conquer algorithms. So they're parallelizable, abeit very messy.
addition can be parallelized if you delay carryout.
Though it never actually helps since addition/subtraction is memory bound.
 
Ah, gotcha. So it's really for those programs, like your pi calculation program, that you know are going to end with tons of digits, and not for general purpose I-need-a-kind-of-big-number programs.
 
Yeah, for small sizes, it's pretty much a contest of who can write the best hand-written assembly. Something I'm not very good at. But there are still tricks you can use to do, say, multiple operations at the same time to abuse ILP.
 
sbi
7:42 AM
> This is still a pretty decent book, IMO, despite it's age and all the pattern hate that has replace the pattern obsession in the 90s, but I don't think it should be included in a C++ book list. — sbi
 
@Mysticial I think I'd like to have my superoptimizer prove its worthiness by coming up with the fastest addition implementation, for example.
 
@GManNickG addition is surprisingly tricky, as it depends on how much overhead you're willing to invest to get the best "steady-state" performance.
the carry dependency is what sucks
 
sbi
> I think that both "Exceptional C++" and "More Exceptional C++" are overrated [...]. I also think "Modern C++ design" is very interesting about the ideas, but makes it absolutely evident how template metaprogramming in C++ is close to hand-walking... it may look impressive but [...] it's a terribly stupid way to go around; C++ template machinery is very primitive and insisting on it instead of external code generators is just masochism. — 6502
 
@Mysticial Luckily I just have to specify the function and let my computer run for a few weeks. :)
 
so you can break the carry dependency, by summing two different parts of the program at the same time, and deal with carry at the end. (which will rarely propagate more than like 1 digit)
 
7:45 AM
I just realized your name is not Mystical, but Mysticial
 
if you split an addition into two parts, you're effectively unrolling the loop by 2 iterations without a carry-dependency. So that's double the throughput - but at a startup and ending cost.
@GManNickG lol
 
@sbi Just read that too, not sure how I feel.
 
sbi
@GManNickG What, you're undecided between hate and despise? :)
 
@Mysticial Possible to try and calculate at what length this cost is worth it and branch at run-time, perhaps.
 
I wish I could help judge those books. Since I learned all my C++ from 2 classes and online.
 
7:47 AM
@sbi Ha, more like "almost agree but not sure if exaggerating" or "you just don't get it".
 
@GManNickG IIRC it's around 4 to 8 machine words - and highly dependent on how well the main carry-propagation is implemented. In 64-bit without inline assembly, it can be really slow.
 
Ah. Well I'll have to take a stab at it.
 
Although the addition function that I'm using doesn't use inline assembly to access the carry flags... it's slow. But it's not a bottleneck... that would be the multiplications of course.
what's even more interesting is to use a "partial" word size where you don't pack as many bits into each machine word
and you leave some space
that lets you do multiple additions without needing to carryout every single time.
I did an experiment on that, addition/subtraction was essentially a memcpy - and vectorizable.
But as soon as it goes out of cache... boom... it backfires...
using a hybrid implementation that picks between "packed" and "partial" seemed way too complicated...
 
sbi
@Mysticial Just read the most-upvoted comments on this one and add your downvote to it. This list deserves to be near the bottom of the pile, not near the top.
 
Urg, Schildt.
 
7:57 AM
> -1 on recommending bullshildt.
 
@Mysticial The things you do scare me.
 
@GManNickG Don't worry, I didn't do that one... it was a little over the top... :P
 
Good. :)
 
Whaaat, I can't burn my rep on silly CW answers?
 
mostly because the "partial" word size also backfired for multiplications... which were already the slowest. :)
Speaking of CW. Did anyone else notice that the 3-star programmer question was made CW?
 
8:04 AM
Which one?
 
152
Q: How many levels of pointers can we have?

ParagHow many pointers (*) are allowed in a single variable? Let's consider the following example. int a = 10; int *p = &a; Similarly we can have int **q = &p; int ***r = &q; and so on. For example, int ****************zz;

Apparently, Robert agreed (with the commenters) that the question is too stupid to deserve that many votes.
That's the first time I've seen a popular question get made CW. (by seen, I mean it was asked after I joined SO)
 
I think it's a neato question.
 
It probably shouldn't have been made CW. But 200 votes is unusually high for that kind of question.
 
@Mysticial: How is the verification done for your pi calculations?
Overview, I mean, I don't know the math in this area.
 
@GManNickG There's a method to directly compute binary digits without computing all the digits before it.
 
8:17 AM
@Mysticial Oh. :) That was simpler than I expected.
 
It's low-memory and embarrassingly parallel. So it's easily 50 - 100x faster than a full computation.
 
Hm, so there are two algorithms though, yes?
 
@GManNickG For Pi? There's a lot of them...
 
Sorry, I meant in your world record result, for example. A "main" one and a verification?
 
Yes
My code for the verification algorithm is only 1,500 lines and self-contained. I'm probably going to open-source it someday.
That's how simple that algorithm is.
no need to bignum arithmetic.
 
8:21 AM
I must be sleepy/stupid, but if that algorithm can calculate arbitrary digits, what's the difference between it and the "full computation"?
 
Since it's embarassingly parallel, it's also a good stress-tester - though not as the good as the one on that flops question.
 
how does one get eigenvalues from a matrix
 
The verification algorithm is a variant of this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
same algorithm, different formula
If you want to compute X digits at position N, you only need a precision of X + round-off error.
So I can compute say only 32 digits at position N.
That caps the bignums to only slightly more than 32 digits.
even though N is on the order of trillions...
 
And the main algorithm is something else? Why use that algorithm if the verification algorithm is so much faster?
 
The verification algorithm only gets you a "few" digits at position N. The main algorithm gets you all the digits from 0 to N.
and because the propagation of errors is chaotic to less significant digits, if the last digits are correct, then with extremely probability, they are all correct.*
*there's a few implementation corner cases where this could fail and are handled separately.
 
8:28 AM
Oh, I understand now. And iterating through the digits with the verification algorithm and trying to combine the results would be totally impractical then.
@JohnSmith In general or for a specific kind of matrix?
 
laplacian
i found a program that does what mine was trying to do anyway recursively
 
does MKL already have a super-optimized implementation of that?
@GManNickG Yeah, it's O(N log(N)^2) to run the algorithm once. So you'd have to run it O(N) times to get all the digits from 0 - N.
The main algorithm is O(N log(N)^3) for all the digits from 0 - N.
 
@JohnSmith: I actually don't know how, I guess you'll want one of these: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
Be sure to read each of them, one might be tailored towards matrices with your characteristics.
@Mysticial Gotcha. So the next question arises naturally: killed any computers whilst calculating pi yet?
 
any one have a better name for /var ?
 
@GManNickG I've never killed a complete computer. Just components - a lot of them.
I think during the dev stage, I've destroyed at least 4 mobos, 10 hard drives, and degraded at least 2 processors.
during the runs, a lot of hard drives went down.
at least 9 of them for the 10 trillion run
the cost was actually much more because the guy who ran it actually replaced all the drives each time any one of them failed.
*at the least, he'd replace all the drives that came from the same batch
 
8:36 AM
OK this is quite funny 9 Hmm, Java programmers went from worshiping the Sun god to worshiping the Oracle. - 21h ago by Pubby
all hail the oracle
 
So I think the cost to him was well over 50-grand for both computations.
For me, most of the stuff was still under warranty, so I probably took closer to 2-grand of hardware losses - not including labor (and a lot of it).
USD
 
That's just crazy to me, never even crossed my mind people could do that so often. I just saw in this page: Time Lost to HW Failures: 180 days
That's not a trivial amount of time!
 
Yeah, 24 hard drives = very low MTTF.
 
(By the way, the second update link on this page is broken: numberworld.org/misc_runs/e-500b.html)
 
@Mysticial how do you ruin so many HDDs
 
8:41 AM
@TaylorBioniks by having lots of them. :)
@GManNickG Oh... that links offsite. The guy completely redid his website and it only recently went back online... lol
Guess that goes on my "to-do" list for fixing the site...
 
@Mysticial really I have many but have never lost one and mine are 5 years old
 
Gotcha. Have you ever looked into using different OS's to reduce OS overhead?
@TaylorBioniks You have to keep them spinning constantly. :P
 
notice how I know nothing about web programming... the site is really boring...
 
@Mysticial I actually like its simplicity.
 
Yeah, run-time nonstop. with both sequential and non-sequential I/O. Work those heads to death.
 
8:43 AM
@GManNickG I turn mine on off a lot
 
I want to make a search bar so people can look up specific digits of Pi from my server. I have no idea where to start...
 
@GManNickG you are a web developer?
 
Admit it, you're building a platform to iterate over all GUIDs.
 
@TaylorBioniks Not really.
 
@CatPlusPlus who?
 
8:47 AM
@CatPlusPlus Should be possible, I have access to one of the fastest computers in the world.
@Mysticial Yeah, 50 trillion isn't something you can just stick in a string and search :P
 
@GManNickG OK if you where I was going to ask you what you thought of my site ice-os.com
 
@GManNickG Stick it in a file and search.
 
@CatPlusPlus that++
 
Well, that'd be just seek + read.
Just don't try to open that file in Notepad.
 
@CatPlusPlus Bleh, little slow. I would split it into chunks, so you can avoid seeking billions of digits.
 
8:48 AM
@GManNickG On the other hand, I have torrents setup for the 5 trillion digits... I think I've recorded more than 8 TB of downloads.
 
@TaylorBioniks It's definitely unique, but it's hard to navigate because I don't know what the icons mean, probably put a single word under them like "Home" and "Lab" (and hover text).
 
@GManNickG Other way around. I won't be letting people search for something in the digits. Just letting them view digits at position N.
It's too much computation effort to allow searches.
 
Yeah, that's how I got that.
 
@GManNickG OK I will add that on my next update
 
@Mysticial Right, I didn't mean to imply searching. But even just loading the digit at position N requires the server to seek across a file, which might be too expensive if you gets lots of traffic.
If you split into million sized chunks, you can load the right file directly, and not have to process as much.
 
8:51 AM
@GManNickG There won't be that much traffic. :)
 
Yeah, I'm sure lots of people want to know digits of pi.
 
Though most of the processing is just hardware anyway so I might be exaggerating the cost.
DON'T MOCK ME, BITCHES LOVE PI.
 
the random seeks I get from seeding the torrents are much more than what a human would be requesting
 
Pi + e.
 
@Mysticial would seeding torrents make a computer burn out faster?
 
8:52 AM
Gah, gotta go to the shop. I'm all out of tea.
I haven't been outside in 3 days. WHAT IF ALIENS OVERRAN THE CITY.
 
@TaylorBioniks it'll kill your hard drive faster
 
@CatPlusPlus what kind of tea?
 
All kind of tea.
 
But I'm not too worried about that. I have backups of all the digits and plenty of hard drives sitting around.
 
@Mysticial guess i am not seeding my projects anymore
 
8:54 AM
You know you're the only person on the planet who backups digits, right?
 
@CatPlusPlus I drink a lot of tea (chai tea)
 
*though the floods in Thailand have prevent me from buying any hard drives for like 6 months... and counting...
 
@Mysticial: I see the program has error correction built into it, does that cost much performance-wise? Or do you verify, say, every 1 thousand digits and back up if it fails?
 
@CatPlusPlus If you think about the amount of effort that went into computing them... YES
 
8:56 AM
@GManNickG that's complicated... you don't get any digits until the computation is over
 
@Mysticial how much money do you pay for HDDs?
 
@GManNickG Yes, there is (some) cost to the fault-tolerance, but I manage to keep it to a minimum via mathematical methods.
 
Bah, I'm stupid and now my finger is bleeding again.
 
@Mysticial Ah, true. Do faults ever happen? (Or rather, would you even have a way of knowing your fault-correction kicked in?)
 
@TaylorBioniks I camp online stores and local department stores for deals.
@GManNickG :DDDD fault-tolerance is soooo fun to test....
 
8:59 AM
@Mysticial ah I was hoping you had some super store 1TB for $30
or something like that
 
1. overclock
2. undervolt
3. insert faults via source code
 

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