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22:00
sigh
nevermind
thanks anyway
then again i guess it is a really hard function to change into iterative
No, what's confusing you? The principle is literally the same.
it isnt
i've seen like twelve pages like that one already
i still can't get any of it working
the function's too complex
Anywhere you have a recursive call, replace that with pushing the arguments onto your stack. Then just iteratively process the stack.
i also have memoization to take into account too
Use two functions.
22:04
and "iteratively process the stack" doesn't mean anything to me
i have three recursive calls in the thing
One does the actual processing, with memoization, and returns any new recursive arguments, and one that walks the stack.
two of which are in conditionals
plus memo
Conditions don't mean anything to transforming a recursive function into a stack-based one.
idk i feel like there's more to it than that
i've had this problem in the past
and like 90% of the people i've asked had no idea how to do it
i feel like it's actually harder than people let on
like "oh you want to make a game? just make a graphics renderer, easy"
22:29
Ffs
Can't even load this prject in VS
@JohnSmith: Did you see this answer? stackoverflow.com/a/9831838/87234
If you don't have it solved by the time I get home from work, I'll take a deeper look into it.
in python stacks are usuallyjust lists
and you can push/pop onto them
i just don't know how i am supposed to convert things into that structure
whenever i see these examples they are all custom-tailored to the function
i don't know the "process" of translation
do i start out with an empty stack? do i push the initial arguments to it before calling? etc
If you know another language try and build it in that
22:33
nothing to do with language
it's the logic
I have a problem with the following. dictionary.ContainsValue(new int[]{no,result}) this statement is resulting false even when ther is a matching value.. may i know y?
Man. I just lost an hours worth of work
@KianMayne Sorry fr the trouble
i am trying to go from GManNickG's example above... where would i place in the stopcondition
if condition=something return 1 (via the recursion)
22:38
can you help me with the above problem?
Sorry I'm really busy trying to make up for this loss
i would help but i am horrible with syntax and wouldnt know
@JohnSmith Initial arguments.
John Smith
you know any assembler?
22:41
ok
and what do you mean initial arguments?
this is basically the same as a regular function call in assembler
right now i started things off with stack=[], stack.append([a,b]) and then while stack!=[]
then a,b=stack.pop()
that part works so far
but normally my function has some stopping condition
def rec(a,b):
    stack=[]
    stack.append([a,b])

    while stack!=[]:
        a,b=stack.pop()
        if(a==stopValue): return 1
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a command called "objcopy" which does not produce a copy?
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genius!
aghhh why does nobody know how to do this
22:52
"Build successful" :)
Wow really
I had something of Double type (this is C'#.NET) and it accepted 0.0 but not 0. You'd think there'd be an implicit conversion
aaaaaaaaaaaaaggghhhh
every single tutorial i am reading doesnt cover my case
tide comes in, tide comes out. can't explain that
23:14
How to disable Microsoft's performance-killing "performance checker" in Windows 7:
:)
@StackedCrooked tides are caused by small nano-machines in the sea, who once or twice every day experience a sudden urge to get on land
Oh, that's what they say at Reddit also!
anyone know how to handle stopconditions with stacks
i am changing recursive to iterative/stack
@JohnSmith there is no "stopcondition" with a stack
my recursive function is a counter; it returns 1 if it meets some condition
23:17
@CheersandhthAlf So it's a common story?
otherwise goes on to perform more recursive calls, adding to a total var initialized to 0
returns total
@StackedCrooked Hey, it's not a "story"!
so far I've got

def rec(a,b):
    stack=[]
    stack.append([a,b])

    while stack!=[]:
        a,b=stack.pop()
In your question all recursion increases a. Hence, a stopping condition for the recursion should better involve that a passes some limit.
well my stopping condition is if b[a]>0
return 1
errr
sorry that's completely wrong
r=a//w
c=a%w
if(c==0 and r==h): return 1
23:22
@JohnSmith No matter, the main question is whether it's sufficiently off-topic to discuss here?
i asked it on the main forum and nobody seemed to know how to do it
You know, that stopping condition looks suspiciously equivalent to a == h*w...
But even in Python you have True and False -- did you know?
yes, it's checking to see if all the area is filled
if so, we have a valid solution and return 1 to count
So you could just write return (a == w*h)
yeah but i use r and c later
so i figured i'd use it here anyway
but yes it is the same thing
either way still trying to make it a stack
john, now let me tell you how to probably get more real help
first write up your code so that it can be run. use dummy procedures
use dummy functions
it already works
it's just recursive
i am trying to make it iterative so it wont die for large values
23:28
it doesn't matter if the main code works for you.
what matters is that the code you post on SO can be run
do not post pseudo-code, as you did
post real code that can be run
if i posted the whole thing it'd be huge
and for that you may need to use dummy functions etc.
i simplified it to the basic structure
now please read what I wrote, again
i understand what you are saying
posting the whole thing isn't really feasible
23:30
so, then you need to ... what did I say about that?
dummy functions don't accomplish anything in this regard
it's not any different from me saying "arbitrary condition here"
if not then you're screwed. however, most likely that's a very premature conclusion.
otherwise if i post a dummy routine someone assumes it's similar to the real thing and then says "well if you're gonna do that just do X instead"
when X isn't analogous to the full version because it's a simplified version
just make sure that
* the code posts is real and can be run
i posted the absolute barebones structure
23:31
* the control flow is identical to the real code
are there any other coding forums that would be good for this then
it needs to be real code
where someone would know how to change it to stack
not pseudo code
people use pseudocode all the time in CS textbooks so I am not entirely convinced of that
23:32
lemme repeat that: it needs to be real code
not pseudo code
okay but that doesn't hold up
people work with pseudocode all the time
since you don't know how to do it, you are not sufficiently competent in this are to translate your real code to pseudo-code
there's absolutely nothing wrong with my pseudocode
just sayin', the psedu-code in your question, sucks
it is not sufficient to answer the question
23:33
you need to post real code
what is fundamentally insufficient
now i have wasted enough time on you
that the structure of the function is ambiguous
because you refuse to take advice
you're not actually supporting your arguments, just insulting me
and not explaining/justifying why
just calling me incompetent
23:34
no not at all. that is not calling. i informed you that you are incompetent in that area
you don't need to be incompetent for ever
so i can "inform" someone they are an idiot? tomato, tomato
you can learn
point is you're not supporting your argument
theoretically, at least
man
23:35
but then you must at least consider taking the advice you ask for
I feel sick
it's untenable advice in this context
it's no good advicing you and get back "that is impossible" or "won't work"
i've gone down that road before and it gets horribly off-topic
you are not competent to evaluate the advice you get
23:35
sure i am
your evaluation is just noise, and it prevents you from learning
like i said, i've SEEN plenty of texts using pseudocode similar to how i've described my unction
so stop evaluating
so what you are telling me is literally not compatible with reality
and do follow some advice
if you completely ignore all advice, yet persist in asking, then you are an idiot
23:36
posting the full version is not realistic, and posting dummy functions is no more distinguishable than the way i have it right now
what did i say about your ability to evaluate the advice?
you are really not getting it
i asked a perfectly reasonable question and all you're doing is calling me incompetent and giving me non-advice you're claiming i am not fit to even evaluate
when i already gave you good reasons why that advice wouldn't work
instead of defending why, you just say "well you're wrong" without any justification
@John is a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, I think.
this isn't the DK effect
I asked you to justify your argument -- you haven't done so
just echoed hollow statements and insults
@John please don't flag messages in the lounge. it's generally frowned on, and not acceptable.4
23:47
I'll flag at my discretion, thanks
You don't have carte blanche to browbeat other members
flagging really is kinda bad
not that I'm going to enter this specific argument; but flagging should generally be avoided wherever possible
he's flaming
therefore, flag.
then flag for a moderator.
Then ignore it, instead of annoying every 10k user using the chat.
the flag for other users functionality is absolutely broken in every way
23:48
Geez.
all the other users will just push "not sure" to make it go away
I counterflag everything, because I'm evil.
I have validated a few flags
but they have to be pretty nasty
@JohnSmith I think it's a misrepresentation to call the advice that you asked for, browbeating. It's either trolling, or very confused.
Wait, so the flag isn't a bookmark feature?
23:51
You did not give advice
Just called me incompetent and made snide remarks
So yeah I am going to flag you
@JohnSmith You are being lame.
@John you are lying. I have not called you incompetent. I have informed you of your incompetence in one particular area, which I very carefully pointed out so that I could later refer to it if needed, such as now. I suspected you being a troll.
Uhhhh, do I need to quote your Dunning Kruger cite again?
You are lying. I can literally quote you
Why do games require UI. :.
I hate UIs.
jli
jli
Command line games from now on?
23:53
@CatPlusPlus I agree.
Commandline is UI, "command UI" (CUI)
jli
jli
fine, hardware buttons for each command
And if anything you are trolling because I gave you very good reasons why your "advice" was unworkable here, to which you offered zero response. You'd only do that if you were trolling, or if you were unwilling to admit that your advice was vague, broad, or untenable
jli
jli
Or how about this: auditory feedback instead of visual feedback?
@JohnSmith Stop it before you embarrass yourself more
23:56
@jli Visual feedback can be produced automatically through a renderer. Auditory feedback would be ... text to speech? owch
@ManofOneWay Well, considering I'm right here... hardly embarrassing
jli
jli
@DeadMG Nah, just morse code clicking.
take 999999 seconds to "render" a "frame" doing that :P
jli
jli
Or a series of minor shocks to the player via a simple and cheap USB accessory!
@DeadMG "Copies a binary file, possibly transforming it in the process"?
jli
jli
23:57
The future of gaming
@CheersandhthAlf Nothing with "copy" in the name should ever modify the original.
mutilate_the_copy
jli
jli
copy_and_destroy_both_the_copy_and_the_original(void *)
I had to do a double take for the "bananable" thing.

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