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2:00 PM
durian vs jackfruit
 
Why is this forum named c++ lounge?
 
Xeo
It's not a forum.
 
Why is this chat room named Lounge<C++>
?
 
Ven
cause it's a lounge
loungeful chat
 
Xeo
2:05 PM
Cuz it's a therapeutic lounge, and C++ is the reason we're here.
 
To an observer, how would you justify the statement, "C++ is the reason we're here."
 
to the left
 
Xeo
slightly left of center
 
Ven
well he can't look center left because he's a downer
 
Xeo
Did he not take his Joy?
 
Ven
2:07 PM
bad, bad censor
I gather you've taken a closer look? :)
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos They've been slowly killing HK for a while now :|
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I recently learned that only half the deputees are elected by the people in HK, the other half are "corporate representatives"
which... says a lot
 
That sounds like a remnant of British influence.
The City of London works in similar manner.
 
I totally agree that HongKong should be independent - but China needs to revoke all of its privileges as well & treating it as a foreign country, no concessions whatsoever
HKexit
should be fun
 
Ven
2:13 PM
#revokeYellowPrivilege
 
I would suggest that this chat room be renamed, Lounge<People, DreamedExclusivityVia<C++>>
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't know that. Likely that it's a British remnant then yes. Seems kind of crazy to me though.
 
Ven
@iamacomputer You don't dream C++. It's all nightmares.
 
Beep Borp: incorrect parsing of syntax
 
Brats who wants their own rules, but still expect to receive all the benefits ... if rule goes, so do benefits
 
Ven
2:16 PM
Will you be my Kitty With Benefits™?
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos I could be wrong. But The City is the first thing that comes to mind when I think of corporate representatives in the legislature.
 
I need a full disclosure of what these benefits might be ^_^ (hint, I accept belly scratches)
 
Ven
I'd gladly accept, but then I'd need to cleanse my hand with acid.
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos Seems like this was indeed established during British rule en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
@Ven please do
 
2:21 PM
Most people I've talked to miss the British rule despite having no say in elections
 
Ven
I need it to write shitty C++.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also apparently this year had a record of people leaving / abandoning citizenship
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos Given that the PRC routinely interferes with the sovereignty of HK, against the promises made, I am not surprised.
@Telkitty What are the benefits, exactly?
 
Ven
made sure to downvote it as well!
 
2:26 PM
HK is like this big port city, if it's not for the benefits of it's strategic location with huge hinterland (China), why do you think that HK can do so well?
 
Do what? It's not the PRC government that provides the location.
 
For the G20 in Hangzhou, not only the party shut down all coal plants and whatever that creates smog around 300 km, but they also made a lot of public attractions (museums, parks, etc) free so that the people would leave the city.
 
Hong Kong is one of the most
densely populated places in the world. The land population
density as at mid-2014 stood at 6 690 persons per square
kilometre, and Kwun Tong, with 57 250 persons per square
kilometre, was the most densely populated district among
the District Council districts.
‡ Excluding marine population and area of reservoirs
very densely populated, like China
 
Clearly a benefit of being in the PRC.
 
To the point that an american journalist reported that the city was "well built but strangely devoid of cars"
 
2:30 PM
I am not a big fan of densely populated areas
 
Tibet, however, has only 2 people/km2. I wonder why the PRC doesn't provide them the benefit of dense population as well.
@AndreasPapadopoulos They did the same for the Olympics in Beijing.
@Telkitty Also, China is not very densely populated.
 
I think when I enquired about the flight ticket before I booked mine, there were some discounted air/tour ticket to Shanghai/Hangzhou area. But everyday, you are dragged into a different shop, it's only an hour a day but I am not into that kind of thing. I would rather pay a higher price to avoid the shops.
@R.MartinhoFernandes similar size to Australia, but with 50 times more people
 
@Telkitty It's only about one third of India's density, thirty times less than Gaza, and fifty times less than HK.
I think you don't understand what population density is.
China is comparable to Switzerland.
 
Actually is there any city with a higher density than HK?
 
yeah, sure, compare to the worst to make it sound slightly better ...
 
2:36 PM
@Telkitty You claimed it was "very densely populated". I compared with areas that are definitely very densely populated to gauge how dense it actually is.
 
Ven
@AndreasPapadopoulos tons
even Levallois has a higher density than HK. :P
 
I don't think so
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos Shit tons.
 
Okay maybe average density, but what about peak density? Kwun Tong district is about 60k people per km2
 
Ven
@AndreasPapadopoulos then no, nothing beats HK
 
2:38 PM
@Ven I knew it
 
This is a list of the cities worldwide that have the highest population density. The population, population density, and land area for the cities listed are based on the entire city proper, the defined boundary or border of a city, or the city limits of the city. The population density of the cities listed is based on the average number of people living per square mile or per square kilometre. This list does not refer to the population, population density, or land area of the greater metropolitan area or urban area and also does not target a particular city district in any of the cities listed...
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos Manhattan is close to 70k.
 
Ven
yes we can google thank you very much
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ouch
 
Ven
les jeunes de nos jours, 'feraient mieux d'aller se faire canarder dans des lycées
 
2:39 PM
> Manhattan's population density is 66,940 people per square mile (25,846/km²)
 
unit confusion? :p
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos Oh.
Of course I should have looked to India.
 
170k/km2 wtf
 
2:40 PM
HK suddenly seems airy and freshly spaced out
 
Ven
no wonder they ask shitty SO questions
they must be kinda pissed off all the time
 
What about Tokyo?
 
Ven
@TonyTheLion TokoYo dude
 
@Ven lol, how many indians asking an android question per km2?
9
 
Hah, Gaza still beats HK there.
 
2:41 PM
you should try middle Australia, you can be driving 20 minutes on the state highway and not seeing any people or cars ...
 
Ven
moyen le "lol" ici
 
> 6,224.66/km2
 
> Based on this survey, the Walled City had a population density of approximately 1,255,000 inhabitants per square kilometre
everything is fine
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos Out of only 33k total :D
 
2:45 PM
that is pretty dense
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah extrapolations are fun
 
Let's calculate my bed density
 
termite skyscraper
 
@TonyTheLion Have you looked at the pictures of the Walled City?
 
2:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Looking right now
 
It's as if someone applied a trash compactor to a bunch of apartment buildings.
 
Ven
Is there a way in SQL to check if two columns are samely null? that is, (a is NULL and b is NULL) OR (a is not null AND b is not null)
 
actually my dad and I have been calculating kg of humans per square km in various countries last weekend ...
 
Ven
the "obvious" a is b doesn't work. obviously.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yea looks pretty crazy
 
2:46 PM
people probably has higher kg density per square metres then the termites - one average termite hill vs an average skycsraper in NY
 
@Ven xor?
or (a is NULL) is (b is NULL)
 
Ven
@ratchetfreak that doesn't work with NULL
that's not how is works
 
you can't check if booleans are equal/unequal?
 
Ven
booleans. :P
 
result of isis a boolean, you have 2 expression that return a boolean and want to make sure they are equal...
 
2:53 PM
> US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees
uplifting news! 👍🏻
 
lol, 2.5m bees?
(Is that millions?)
Seriously?
 
I suppose it's millions yes
 
People with no sense of scale strike again.
 
Ven
@ratchetfreak you don't use = to compare booleans
 
The US has 2.5+ million bee colonies.
A colony houses ~50k bees.
A loss of 2.5m bees is a 0.002% loss.
 
2:56 PM
Think about it, by calculating kg of human per square metre in various countries, you can get an idea of which ones are over populated
because of food chain
 
Regular expected winter losses are 15%-30%.
@AndreasPapadopoulos It sounds more like not-news
 
I think the piece of news focuses more on the destroyed business of the beekeepers than the deaths (kinda)
Just read it quickly
 
Hmm
So quicksort is often used instead of heapsort
 
2.5m bees is 50 hives. How many destroyed businesses is that, really?
 
But heapsort, on the paper, beats quicksort on almost every aspect
 
2:58 PM
People really need to learn to use useful units.
 
nwp
people need to learn that what they get as news isn't actually news
 
It doesn't require extra space and the worst case running time i n*logn as opposed to n^2
Good morning
 
@nwp Journalists are people too.
2
 
Ven
good afternoon
 
@Shoe but heap sort has bad constant factors
 
Xeo
@Shoe Introsort \o/
 
WTF happened to Karoly Horvath?
looks like I missed some drama
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos Thanks
 
nwp
"Plane crashed in [] killing [] people. Terrorist attack possible. The dow-jones fell by [] points. Politician [] made a ridiculous claim. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie broke up. The new IPhone-App has a security hole."
none of that is news, yet somehow that is what they give you as news
with slightly varying details that nobody cares about
 
@nwp Why not?
 
3:04 PM
@nwp How are they not news again?
 
@nwp speak for yourself
 
inb4 "I don't care about them".
 
nwp
because they have 0 relevance. Not actionable.
 
does not make them not-news
 
@nwp That's not what news are. But I'll play along. What's an example of news?
 
nwp
3:07 PM
I think my understanding of news is just wrong, maybe they have no pretense to be relevant
 
@nwp Three examples of events from the 20th century that were not news by this criterion: the Apollo 11 moon landing, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
 
nwp
I would dispute the bombing, because was actually relevant. Possibly the moon landing due to cold war implications, but probably not. The assassination definitely not news.
 
Relevant for what?
Or whom?
 
nwp
relevant to the person reading/watching the news
 
3:10 PM
5 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
inb4 "I don't care about them".
 
then nothing outside your little hovel is relevant...
 
@nwp Unless you're anywhere near Hiroshima, what actions will you take about it?
@nwp The trigger for a war that changed the world forever is not news?
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes demonstrations, change voting, political pressure to stop it
 
@nwp Stop what? Nothing you can do post hoc.
It's been bombed. Too late.
 
political pressure to stop the bomb from falling
 
3:12 PM
You do know that the bomb was secret until it was actually deployed, right?
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm missing context here. The assassination is definitely not relevant, the political actions caused by it would be news.
 
@milleniumbug Convince Einstein that e isn't so equal to mc2 after all
 
@nwp Also, how is the assassination of the political leader of one of the world's major powers not relevant?
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos E = m(a^2 + b^2)
 
(Again, relevant for what and to whom?)
 
3:13 PM
Pythagoras-Einstein Law
 
Which states that energy is proportional to the square of the length of the opposite side
 
@nwp Also, if people had made political pressure for peace, maybe the War wouldn't have started.
(Not that I believe that, but it's definitely something everyone in Europe could have done something about)
Of the three, it's probably the one that people could have done the most about it post hoc.
 
Wait
 
But that's still irrelevant.
 
So nwp thinks that unless the news is relevant to the life of the person reading it, then it's not news?
 
3:17 PM
All of them were current events of some significance. Hence news.
 
I'm confused
 
Except the moon landing because it didn't happen
 
Ven
is there a way to see my comments on SO?
 
activity tab on your profile
 
Activity > Comments
 
3:19 PM
@nwp Also, the assassination was a political action caused by previous events. It didn't come out of the blue. Previous events which were also news.
 
Ven
there's no "comments" tab in activity
 
Then, "All actions"
or something
 
"all actions"
 
@milleniumbug The fabric of distance-time has stretched and will never be the same.
 
Ven
ah, activity > all actions > comments
thanks @ratchetfreak, @Shoe.
 
3:20 PM
you're welcome
 
@Shoe That's my understanding.
 
nwp
@Shoe pretty much (where life doesn't mean life-threatening, but it should have some kind of influence)
 
But I mean
Most news are relevant to at least somebody
 
@Shoe not whether brangalina is still a thing...
 
So how do you decide which news are news and which aren't? Does it depend on the percentage of people affected by it over the total population?
Like, does Italy's hearthquake qualify as news?
 
3:24 PM
Zero impact for me.
 
It definitely affects friends of people who live there
It also affects other people in Italy if they want to go and donate blood for the cause, for example
 
nwp
@Shoe depends on the intended audience, but it should affect most of those
 
You mean like having the head of state assassinated?
 
nwp
@Shoe in that region yes, if you are part of a disaster help team also, if you are a regular person living thousands of kilometers away not so much
 
@nwp So what you are saying is that some of the things that are given as "news" now should not be... published? And what? Kept secret?
 
3:25 PM
How do you determine "impact"? Some things only have an impact because they are reported.
@Shoe This is an example of impact that wouldn't have been without the reporting.
@nwp People can send money for the recovery effort from the antipodes.
 
What are you proposing exactly?
 
Or heck, even travel there to help rebuild.
 
nwp
@Shoe nothing really. I just noticed that my made up examples of news don't have any relevance whatsoever and wondered why they are reported as news.
 
14 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
(Again, relevant for what and to whom?)
 
nwp
might just be that I'm weird and have massively different interests than the general population, but that seems unlikely
 
3:28 PM
People who own stock in US stock markets would disagree about the Dow Jones example.
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes to the target audience by actions, I thought I said that already
 
Determining relevance of a news is extremely difficult and doesn't look necessary to me
 
23 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
inb4 "I don't care about them".
So, called it.
 
Ven
Prateek Gupta, Vellore, Tamil Nadu, India
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sexiboi
 
3:29 PM
I also don't see how "Politician [] made a ridiculous claim." isn't relevant for an entire nation's population.
 
@Ven C'est prateek ce que tu dis là ! /cc @Luc
 
After all, they have the power to elect or not elect those politicians.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Grand Duke Ferdinand wasn't a head of state when he was assassinated. He was the crown prince, so only a possibly future head of state. There was also some room for argument over what state he'd head. Austria-Hungary became an empire sort of by accident, because the same person inherited both. Austria and Hungary had different rules though, so Ferdinand was first in line to rule Austria but not Hungary.
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes not quite "I don't care about them", more "I think the general public doesn't care about them"
 
3:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unless you are in the USA :P
 
nwp
in which I'm obviously wrong since news sells what people want to see, but still
somewhere is an error that I cannot pin down
 
@JerryCoffin Fair enough.
@nwp The assumption that reality has to be interesting.
 
I'm probably one of the least affected person from the outcome of the Hilary vs Trump result, but still I'm interested in them.
 
Reality doesn't abide by the rules of fiction. Sometimes it's pretty boring and repetitive.
 
every time traveling overseas, more time spent on studying world map >_<
 
3:31 PM
It's hard to determine what people are interested in
 
Reporting on current real events, be they interesting or not, is reporting the news.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hillary and Trump both lie enough that the campaign certainly doesn't follow any rules of non-fiction.
 
nwp
in my little world news needs to be relevant (bag of rice spilled in china doesn't count) and it is different from entertainment (game of thrones character X has died)
 
once again that does not make news-you-don't-care-about not-news
 
3:34 PM
@nwp US elections are entertainment...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...or depending on the level of politics involved, an entire municipality, or possibly even multiple nations (such as for EU politicians).
 
I missed these purposeless discussions
I honestly did
 
Ven
did you miss me as well
 
I usually remember avatars only, who are you again?
 
nooble
 
3:38 PM
(I'm jk)
 
Ven
-4
Q: Correct my errors

Warren PI actually have this repeater (Angular 1.5, not 2) : <div>{{item.something}}</div> The ng-class is not working (no class applied). item.large_size is a boolean (no string). This loop is in a custom component which is in a view. Some datas (items) is bind from the view to the component (it...

target acquired
 
They are getting lazier and lazier
 
nwp
I vaguely remember paul graham making a similar argument, but I'm having trouble finding it
 
There's an argument to be made that the vast majority of news don't matter much and you can do fine without them.
But that's essentially an argument that most current events don't really matter much.
 
Ven
@Shoe well I'm the one who changes avatar all the time
guess you'll never remmber me :(
 
3:43 PM
It is up to historians to determine which will be worth remembering.
 
Ven
-2
Q: How to limit SQL results to a max float record?

DomeWTFI am retrieving data from the database and want to limit it using instead of the "classic" LIMIT 0, 10 something like LIMIT (from FLOAT record "foo" = 0) to (when FLOAT record "foo" is less than 30) I might not have explained myself well enough, if so just ask for more info and i'll reply r...

"WTF" indeed
 
@Ven textbook XY problem
 
@Ven Oh bby <3
2
 
4:00 PM
@Ven I is 110.
 
4:11 PM
@Ven I did, but at this range, I'm pretty certain of a direct hit.
 
nwp
How does this compile?
Is VS bad or does C just ignore extra arguments?
 
Ven
...extra arguments?
 
nwp
wrong link, sec
this code in here, or VS2015 if you have
 
@nwp In C they treat this as a warning (but in C++ it's an error). Either a warning or an error message could qualify as the "diagnostic" required by the standard.
 
nwp
now that you said it there is a warning C4020: 'foo': too many actual parameters
 
4:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure if it's intentional, but I think that's quite insightful. In a lot of cases, importance attached to events often depends on some historian getting interested in it, and writing enough about it to get others to treat it as important as well. A fair number of events that really are important get overshadowed by something else that happened at/close to the same time, which often skews our sense of importance as well.
@nwp With C it's a little difficult to say what a compiler really should do for code like this. At least for quite a while, Microsoft clearly treated the C compiler as existing only for the sake of compatibility with tons of old code that nobody wanted to rewrite into a newer language. For others who continue to use C on a regular basis, a "modern C compiler" (in quotes because that sounds to me like an oxymoron) should enforce the rules just like compilers for other languages do.
 
nwp
one could argue that it is a bug in the standard, but new C standards don't seem to get much attention
so I have no-one to blame but myself for using a language without knowing it properly
 
@nwp People have (at least indirectly) argued for years that the (lack of) requirement in this respect is a bug. All the standard requires is that the compiler issue a diagnostic for code that's unacceptable in certain ways. The implementation has to document what constitutes a diagnostic, but anything beyond that falls under quality of implementation. There's no requirement that (for example) a user be able to distinguish between issuing a diagnostic and not issuing a diagnostic.
 
Ven
There's a close reason on SO that's "simple typographical error". Answering such questions to get some rep is... well. — Ven 5 secs ago
don't edit your question to steal another person's solution. That's disgraceful. — Ven 10 secs ago
Ah, SO. Much love.
 
@nwp I think they're receiving a little more attention again. I think shortly after C++ was standardized, quite a few people assumed C was essentially dead. It's been long enough now that it's clear it's not going to quietly die (regardless of what some of us might think should happen). If people are going to continue using it, we should at least make it a marginally less awful thing to use.
 
nwp
4:36 PM
JetBrains' Python-IDE is pretty decent, maybe I should give CLion a try
 
Ven
meh.
 
user784668
4:53 PM
@JerryCoffin C will surely die the moment there's an acceptable alternative. Problem is, there's no language that comes anywhere close to being an acceptable alternative to C.
 
5:20 PM
I personally consider that basically any other language is an acceptable alternative to C.
I'd only throw out the worst of the worst, like PHP, or esoteric ones like Brainfuck
infact let me take that back, I'm not sure that I'd say that PHP is worse than C.
 
5:32 PM
@Puppy C is at least consistent in its badness; PHP is not
 
nwp
5:49 PM
I finished reading Smart and Gets Things Done. It doesn't have anything the website doesn't have.
I feel like applying at SO would be a ton of work for a high risk for someone to not like your accent or something and not getting hired.
probably not what joel intended
 
Ugh, my computer looks dead.
 
Guys, I have a code snippet joke for you!
void * hugs = malloc(42);
free(hugs);
^ inspiration
 
nwp
only you would point the void to hugs
or do you point the hugs to void?
do I even pointer...
 
Do you.
 
6:06 PM
do you really
 
6:20 PM
Eh, even the magic voodoo button tricks didn't bring my Lenovo back to life. So sad :(
 
Age?
 
RIP lenovo bretheren
 
@fredoverflow Not even 2 IIRC.
 
wow
mine's 6
 
6:23 PM
Well, maybe 2, but not much more.
 
RIP laptop
Mourningwenn
 
It's already my second laptop to die young.
 
My X61 still works, must be 8 years by now.
 
@Borgleader lel
 
Meanwhile my goldfish is 16 years and still alive.
I already had to change my mobile phone last month because it got stolen, so the dead laptop isn't welcome at all.
 
6:38 PM
you haven't seen it yet?
it was very internet famous and also great.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:09 PM
@fredoverflow My T60 is still my main work computer. Built 2007. I will be celebrating our Tin anniversary.
 
nwp
8:47 PM
5
Q: Why is bitcoin written in c++

VincentWhat made core devs choose c++ as the main programming language for implementing bitcoin? Was this because of their personal preference? Or an other reason?

 
user image
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How-to-spam
 
@sehe Btw. congrats on 200k
 
o.O Thx :)
 
I'm sure Cat would be ashamed of you ;-)
For wasting this much time on Snack Overflow
Close to 6000 answers, holy
I have merely 800
 
> merely 800
 
9:00 PM
it is a slippery turd
 
@sehe Hi sehe how are you
 
9:32 PM
> If a standard-layout class object has any non-static data members, its address is the same as the address of its first non-static data member. Otherwise, its address is the same as the address of its first base class subobject (if any). [ Note: …—end note ] [ Note: Nonetheless, if a pointer to the object is cast to a pointer to the type of its first subobject (or vice versa), the resulting pointer does not point to the subobject and cannot be used to access it. —end note ]
that last note is being added in C++1z
 
wow
every usage of struct sockaddr_in now considered broken
 
@milleniumbug are you so sure? there are provisions for common initial subsequence for standard layout types, and also these extensive changes (r1) cover some C-like patterns as well
 
@LucDanton I'm only judging by reading the note
 
this is a comprehensive overhaul that changes the wording simultaneously in several places—plus that’s a non-normative note
I don’t get how you are supposed to use things like std::aligned_storage_t without storing the pointer to dynamically created objects as well though cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
9:48 PM
@набиячлэвэли
 
Ell
10:08 PM
Just watched Amelie
Such a great film
 
10:28 PM
@Columbo I only have 340. What is the number for the membership card?
 
@Ell The french film from a decade ago (or so)?
 
10:46 PM
@LucDanton helpful. Was it just a wording thing? And how can it be if it's still a stdlayout class with data members?
@Columbo And he'd be right. And I would not mind much.
 
@Ell I have seen it once. I haven't understood what was going on. :)
 
@sehe I don't think he would be right
Providing educational material on the web is honourable I'd like to think
 
Everything's relative. I think I've heard Cat give more good advice than most. So I'd value it nonetheless.
And yeah, I still wouldn't mind much :) I just liked it.
o.O
 
Ell
@Borgleader yes
 
ok nvm
I probably shouldn't make such jokes facing an owner of the room
Actually, I probably shouldn't make such jokes regardless of context
 
10:54 PM
:) I just sat there wondering where that came from
 
It came from my overly aggressive approach at humor
 
What great joke have I missed?
 
6 mins ago, by sehe
And yeah, I still wouldn't mind much :) I just liked it.
 
Great Barrier Grief
 
[insert generic joke about unapologetic criminal]
 
10:58 PM
@sehe I’m not done reading it just yet
not to mention understanding it all
 
Unifying T[] and T* is also huge. Should have had this back when .NET added the Encoder/Decoder APIs.
Meanwhile. C# is catching up with the 70s
For real though, looks like .NET is doing all the right things to compete with Rust, Go, Swift etc.
@LucDanton I'm, again, grateful that you take the time to dump these tidbits here in the lounge. I would never see the changes coming otherwise.
 
I’m actually not very informed in the standardization process these days, I’m always playing catch up on very select bits
 
No words. https://media.giphy.com/media/EldfH1VJdbrwY/giphy.gif https://twitter.com/algoritmic/status/772699702064254976
This is sexy stuff too
 
11:18 PM
Apparently the word "twitch" cannot be hyphenated.
 
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