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dis'z nu 4 me
 
@Telkitty what browser?
 
chrome
 
HarD Gamer strikes back on std-proposals /cc @Morwenn
 
who'd be crazy enough to accept a std proposal
@Griwes Oh wow that's pretty bad
I like how the column is titled "fixed bytes" instead of bits, making a long occupy a whole cacheline
 
1:29 PM
@AndreasPapadopoulos Link?
 
nwp
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Q: Why did my avatar change?

barronMy network-wide gravatar identicon used to be a pleasant blue, now it's bright green. I didn't change my email. Did Stack Exchange change its email hashing algorithm or something?

 
@AndreasPapadopoulos Can-cer-man!
 
1:32 PM
@AndreasPapadopoulos This made me more retarded than living in US ever would
(lead paint)
 
Ell
@Puppy let's call it a documentation transformer then vOv
Nobody means a telepathic device when they say "documentation generator"
 
@Ell transpilation is compilation
therefore it's a generator
:clap:
 
@Ell Seems to me that many people pretty much do mean that.
they "generate documentation" e.g. with doxygen and then assume their documentation job is done.
 
@EtiennedeMartel do you have carsharing where you live? Our capital is apparently thinking about introducing those
 
if you call it a documentation transformer it is a lot more clear that the onus remains on you to actually produce something to be transformed in the first place.
 
1:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean by "car sharing"?
 
Uber
 
@EtiennedeMartel apparently they understand is as short-term loaners
 
@Puppy documentation compiler would be more accurate...
 
Right, right.
 
@ratchetfreak compiler = transpiler = compiler = generator
 
1:36 PM
In Montreal there's two companies doing it, I think: Communauto and Car2Go. Seems to work pretty well, even though their market is people who can live without a car but sometimes need one.
I think they charge for the kilometers you use, so it's mostly good if you're doing short distance trips.
 
like weekly grocery shopping
 
i guess if you need to visit the outskirts with poorer communication or sthg
@ratchetfreak or that, yeah
 
i wanna be good at something people appreciate
not coding
 
I always forget about that seemingly obvious thing that cars provide storage
 
1:41 PM
when you are coding people laugh at you and call you hacker as a joke
then you hack them and go to jail
 
neither is true imho
 
@Griwes Quality proposal :D
 
only geeks appreciate coding
 
demostrably false
 
every other people seems to think that programs just work and that's it
maybe not where you live
 
1:43 PM
besides, "geek" is an umbrella term
 
but i got spit once at school and the fucking guy told me to code a game
 
nwp
if you make programs "just work" you will be appreciated
 
FWIW >90% of people I care about interacting with are "geeks"
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh, absolutely
@nwp i mean just work without nobody going crazy in the background to make them work
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz I started reading that and got confused. "Bartek cares about people? Oh, only about interacting, okay"
 
1:44 PM
@nwp int main() { return 0; } now appreciate me
 
nwp
@AndreasPapadopoulos if you leave out the return 0; I might
 
no appreciation then
 
nwp
@ChemiCalChems what? I don't think it is common to micro-manage programmers. Companies that do that are all bankrupt.
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos So?
 
1:46 PM
@Morwenn so no appreciation apparently
@nwp clears throat
 
when you see an awesome skateboarder, everyone says damn
 
when you see a awesome speed runner, everybody says damn
when you see an awesome coder, almost no one understands what the fuck he is doing
 
Ven
damn
 
so people just laugh because it's the default behavior when they have to cover their ignorance, and everyone doing it means you get bullied
because they are all ignorant pieces of shit
 
1:47 PM
@Ven lol
@ChemiCalChems you seem to care about opinions of ignorant pieces of shit quite a lot
 
my compiler also does not understand what I'm doing
1>  (compiler file 'msc1.cpp', line 1393)
1>   To work around this problem, try simplifying or changing the program near the locations listed above.
1>  Please choose the Technical Support command on the Visual C++
1>   Help menu, or open the Technical Support help file for more information
 
@BartekBanachewicz i don't really, it's just sad i find
 
Ven
wow you seem to have a lot of bitterness
 
i'm cool with coding, it's nice
it's fucking insane at times, but that's fun about it
 
1:48 PM
@Ven don't be jealous
 
nwp
if your goal is to be admired programming is not the way to go
 
Ven
that he's been bullied?
 
nwp
try skydiving or something
 
that was sarcastic
 
Ven
1:48 PM
I mean it's like, "being a programmer 101": hate your life.
 
i don't want to be admired generally
i wanna feel good with myself
 
Ven
you just want not to be bullied by gerard
fuck gerard, he always bullies nerds
 
what about robert
@ChemiCalChems apply hand to benis
 
nwp
@ChemiCalChems there is a way to achieve that, not sure why you didn't figure it out yet...
 
1:50 PM
donovan is the real bully
@nwp i feel good with myself when i get shit done
 
oh no those people I despise don't appreciate my fine art
 
but days like these when i don't feel like coding at all... fucking hell
i don't know what to do
 
write a std proposal
 
yesterday i was going to play some guitar and my strings were rusty
 
Ven
commit sudoku
do not rollback
this is not a drill
 
1:51 PM
then i say man i could learn how to skateboard (idk why)
it seems nice
but i have no money to buy even a cheap ass board
 
Ven
why? because you think it's gonna be less painful than a car crash
but you still want to crash with your skateboard.
 
i don't want to crash, i wanna do some cool tricks and stuff
or parkour
 
Ven
probably because you blame your father for all the wheels developers reinvented. so you're looking for some wheelless
 
that must be awesome
idfk
i just feel like my life is worthless
 
why even reinvent the wheel, just re-use some old cars :p
 
1:53 PM
sometimes
not most of the time
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz that one made me think of you
 
Ven
would it make a difference to the world if you disappeared yes/no?
if yes then you're pretty worthless
 
@Ven well, right now, no
 
@Morwenn Seen Ville's reply? :D
 
1:54 PM
Yup.
 
Ven
on the contrary, if Batek disappeared, people would be safer on the roads, so his life isn't worthless.
 
except for a couple of people who think they care about me and a couple of people who really do, not much would happen
 
Ven
so pretty worthless
outside of your local social area
 
@Ven local social area = 1 person
which i can't even see because my parents are half insane
 
Ven
that's not even local, that's a register.
 
nwp
1:56 PM
you can still do some cool stuff even if no-one cares about you (yet)
 
i remember when i was younger people in my class said they'd celebrate if i died
4
 
PSA: Plonk @ChemiCalCunt to make your day better
 
nwp
although by then you self-doubt will have evolved into "do they care about me or just the stuff I make?"
 
Ven
@ChemiCalChems nice
i'm sure they had other occasions to celebrate
 
i guess that means i'm not worthless
 
Ven
1:57 PM
correct
 
for all the wrong reasons
 
Ven
why wrong
you're weak mentally
 
not quite, i just feel sad sometimes
that's all
 
Ven
I'd have thought all those years on the internet would give thick skin to pretty much anyone
 
i'm growing big in the subtle art of not giving a fuck
 
1:58 PM
@Ven Yup, thick internet skin.
 
Ven
never grow big
 
When talking with people you don't know.
 
nwp
@ChemiCalChems too close to giving up
 
Ven
@Morwenn tu vas te prendre des chtites étoiles
 
@Ven Pas pour ça quand même :o
 
1:58 PM
@nwp not at all, not giving a fuck is about the best thing you can do
 
@Ven I drive super safe tho
7
 
Ven
@Morwenn heh
@BartekBanachewicz Right, you drive safely at 220mph
 
it's not ignoring problems, it's overcoming them like they weren't there
 
@BartekBanachewicz never faster than c
 
Ven
Do You C Me Now? 2: Return of the Segfault.
 
1:59 PM
@Ven iirc my bike does about 110mpg
but I'm p sure you meant mph
 
Miles per gallon?
 
meters per gram
 
Ven
SI se~nor
 
2:00 PM
it does about 28 sheds in 1/300th of a full moon
 
amin yasheds
 
frankly though my rides are too slow to drive them really fast
 
nwp
@ChemiCalChems I cannot accept that. There must be ways to do better.
 
like I'm around or slightly below average around here WHEN IT COMES TO DRIVING SPEEDS YOU FUCKING PERVERT
3
 
@набиячлэвэли no, miles per godzina :D
 
2:02 PM
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz I lol'd
 
just wait 2m before starring
 
nwp
nah, it's funny enough :D
 
@Ven lmao that’s even badder than usual
 
also going for first lecture for the driver's licence today
 
Ven
2:03 PM
@LucDanton j'ai des moyens réduits
(genre mon cerveau)
 
I was supposed to go on friday but well
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz how did your C++ teaching thing go?
 
The internet in a nutshell. via @YiannisBab https://t.co/T3hsmtRmiK
7
 
@nwp actually I got an email today that they cancelled it :/
was supposed to happen next month
 
Ven
all the students commited sudoku yet again
 
2:04 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
omg @cat was just wondering why you have disappeared entirely, then my thoughts brought you here
ain't i a psychic
 
Ven
Cat still wonders why he decided to have kitty.
 
?
cat's never afraid of competition
 
also what-if isn't updated
 
Ven
don't worry, there's no competition.
 
2:06 PM
@ChemiCalChems So would we, mate.
So would we.
 
@набиячлэвэли always nice m8, always nice to know
 
Ven
nice flag
 
I'm SO TRIGGRERED
 
Ven
@Cerbrus hi and welcome to the lounge
 
The flag's gone already :D
 
Oh, and a new one
 
i mean, it's nice to have a laugh at people's problems
but it's not nice to wish them to die, imo
 
Ven
@ChemiCalChems I'm not having a laugh
 
@Ven not saying you were, just saying it's alright
 
Aww he's already suspended
 
2:10 PM
@SterlingArcher Who?
 
The dude who rung up 8 flags in like 17 seconds :P
 
I hoped it'd be @ChemiCalCunt
 
@набиячлэвэли i don't give a fuck really, call me whatever you want, i'm not the one being alone in my room saying shit on the internet because i don't have a life
i'm just alone in my room and that's it
 
anyone who uses the term "fags" to refer to other people should be immediately suspended
the only sad thing in this case is that he didn't get suspended for long enough
 
@Puppy who?
 
2:13 PM
Ven
 
@Puppy oh
 
It was so fast I haven't even noticed ven it happened
2
 
one hour suspension
 
c’est pas de Ven #overused #disgusted
 
#motdièse
 
2:36 PM
so yeah
 
hi @Puppy
I see you're having fun as a room owner :P
 
I used no room owner powers
just flagged his ass
 
hardcore puppy
didn't think you actually cared
 
about what?
 
2:57 PM
about someone using the word "fag" to refer to someone
 
-3
Q: Windows C++ get motherboard serial number without using wmi

LiadI am looking for a equivalent c++ winapi to the wmi command "wmic csproduct get UUID" Any Idea how to do it without using wmi?

^^ I like how anything with "motherboard serial number" always automatically gets downvoted. lol
 
nwp
omfg, just got mail from SO
 
Ven
hi guys
@nwp what does it say
 
nwp
this is ridiculously awesome /cc @JNat
 
Glad to hear that! Enjoy it! :)
 
3:59 PM
GCC 6.2, with c++14 by default, concepts and transactional memory.
 
> You know the times have changed when Portugal leaves Brazil without taking any Gold.
 
Ven
> l'équipe du brésil de saut en syncro c'est dissoute parce qu'une des 2 nana à foutu l'autre à la porte de l'hotel la veille de la final pour faire un marathon sexuel avec un joeur de ping pong
idée intéressante.
 
jveux dire il est probablement doué du poignet
 
meh frogspeak again
 
Ven
sûr.
ptet qu'il en a une plate comme un castor. (de raquette)
 
4:07 PM
oh hey GCC 6.2
 
Ven
changelog?
 
the minor updates are almost always just a big list of PRs being closed, most of them being regressions. supposed to be those
 
awesome, g++-mingw-w64 is 6.1.1 now
 
Ven
So many ICE in the PR list, I seem to be melting.
this'll make @Griwes moist for sure.
lol x64. CMPXCHG16B. nice name.
 
I don’t know if 6.2 has the big concepts overhaul, although it looks like it has a lot of fixes
 
4:13 PM
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11880598_10153507622283389_1940972838232009636_n.jpg?oh=d1c0cdd1430989554c5a5aff0cd41b95&oe=5854D380
ad-hominem much?
 
Ven
don't pay too much attention to 12y.o. in need for said attention.
 
> Thanks, pushed to trunk and 6.2.
oh great
 
sbi
@sehe You have my contributions on Twitter, though! :)
Good afternoon.
 
@Borgleader facepalm
so the only group of people who can talk about race are them? that's pretty racist
i say them because i'm white, just saying
 
Ven
Meh. This is about as stupid as:
- I know you're the murderer!
- I'm innocent!
- Yeah, that's what a murderer would say!
 
4:31 PM
@ChemiCalChems check your privilege, asap
 
sbi
@ChemiCalChems No, but the most incompetent people to talk about an embuggerance are those not affected by it. Now, if those always deny that there even is an embuggerence, then those affected will, at one point, stop listening to them. Seems reasonable enough to me.
 
@Abyx oh shit, oh shit
@sbi fair enough, but she doesn't have to compare that to being a brain surgeon, you are born white or black, but you can learn to be a brain surgeon
and being white doesn't make you stupid
 
sbi
Mhmm. The C++ question room is rather unhelpful. What do you folks say about this piece of code?
 
@sbi Incidentally that's why I shared it in the lounge :) Hi
 
@sbi I'd say that I wouldn't use uint as a name of variable
 
sbi
4:36 PM
@ChemiCalChems Did you just go from "her actions are bullshit and her arguments are flawed" to "the analogy she used to explain is not sufficiently close enough to the real thing"? Shrug.
 
Xeo
@sbi For a real quick sanity check for modern compilers, you can just throw it on coliru
 
sbi
@Abyx Neither would I, except in a code snippet.
 
@sbi looks legit. don't pay for you don't use
 
@sbi well, her arguments are shit anyway, but i wanted to point out the second fact too
 
Xeo
so I'd say that's either a bug in old-GCC or a bug in old-standard that got fixed after your old-GCC version
 
sbi
4:37 PM
@Xeo Ah, but if my reasoning is wrong, then the result is undefined, so unless Huh? is printed, I know nothing (JS).
@ChemiCalChems Her arguments seem reasonable enough for me.
 
Xeo
@sbi Hmm, good point
 
@sbi not to me really
 
sbi
@ChemiCalChems Yeah, and given that you gave such a reasonable account of your logical arguments against hers, you have me all convinced.
 
@sbi i did, if you want to stop racist, you should listen to the arguments you are given, WHATEVER THE RACE OF THE SPEAKER, not block them when they say they are white and they disagree with you
if not, you are being racist, which is part of what you wish to solve
and if the arguments you are given are bullshit, you can a. debunk them, or b. ignore them
not block someone based on their race and opinions straight away
i'm fine if they don't wish to accept their arguments as valid because of the arguments themselves, but fucking hell, it's clear she blocked her because of her race and opinions, not only the latter
 
sbi
@ChemiCalChems No, that's total bullshit. Of course, you never need to listen to every "argument", especially not on the Internet, where even the greatest nonsensical shit is thrown at you with the frequency of a high-pitched beep sound.
That is the reason whiners are kicked here, after all; a practice with which–I am sure–you wholly agree.
 
4:45 PM
@sbi yes i do agree, what i wish to convey is that she wasn't only blocked because of her opinions but probably because of her race
i wouldn't say this weren't it for the fact this is only one of the numerous examples of this happening
if you disagree with movements like BLM, being white you are called racist, being black you are called white and "kicked out" of the black community
 
sbi
@ChemiCalChems She wasn't blocked, she was blocking. And she did that because someone non-blind told her, probably for the 1 millionth time, that being blind isn't all that bad.
 
@sbi wait wait, did the black block the white or the white block the black? (expecting the former)
 
sbi
@ChemiCalChems I suggest you pull up your pants, wipe your now, and try to get the facts right before you start a discussion.
Anyway, I am out of this discussion now. Because, as I said, I do not believe you have the right to demand me listening to your bullshit.
@Xeo Of course, it's a good point. All mine are.
 
@sbi of course, at least you aren't making the excuse that i'm not a monkey, either directly or indirectly
 
sbi
Apr 18 '11 at 9:43, by sbi
@VJo Monkey?? Be glad I'm not the librarian around here, or I'd unscrew you head and use the remainder as a bowl for my peanut shells.
 
5:10 PM
It would be monkeyshit crazy.
 
user406009
@ChemiCalChems For what it's worth, I agree with you that immediately disregarding someone's opinion because they are right is racist.
 
user406009
Sure, there might be a certain degree of nuance to considering different points of view with different levels of trust, but immediately blocking someone on the basis of their race is just dumb.
 
@Lalaland exactly
 
Hey guys, question.
If I wanted to, like
Empirically evaluate how people liked Sol2
 
the person may be stupid, or intelligent, apart from white or black, and the second quality doesn't affect the first one, that's all i'm saying
 
5:14 PM
I'd have to do something like a developer survey, right?
 
@ThePhD Just look at the number of stars.
 
nwp
developers typically don't do surveys
 
@Morwenn I unfortunately can't do that.
@nwp Well yeah, that's my problem.
 
user406009
Personally, I would never fill out a survey.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Try a code search on github for references to your namespace.
 
user406009
5:15 PM
That could give you a sense of how people use it.
 
I mean, what I was going to do was just look at presentations, blogposts, and code people have written using sol2
 
user406009
Yeah. You can also look at the code written by people using your competition.
 
so I have a page where you can enter your username and password and I check against ldap to see if I can authenticate you. It works well but I am worried that it might work too well. Should I have some kind of rate limiting so nobody can just spam some poor soul's username and brute force to learn their password? Is this premature optimization?
sorry, wrong room
 
But a survey just seems kind of like a waste of time since people don't like to fill them out anyhow.
 
user406009
@kush Rate limiting is hard. There are two primary ways it could fail. First, people will try spamming the same password across multiple accounts rather than the same user across multiple passwords.
 
user406009
5:17 PM
Second, people will switch IPs if necessary.
 
user406009
Third, depending on how you implement it, a bad actor could lock someone out of an account by sending in bad passwords if they know the username.
 
user406009
@kush If I was you, I wouldn't worry too much about rate limiting.
 
> tfw so many people have something called sol that its impossible to find people writing against my stuff
 
ok thank you
@Lalaland every authentication failure should add a line to the apache log so I won't worry about it unless the log gets too big
 
user406009
Yep.
 
user406009
5:19 PM
However, if this is something where the accounts are actually important (Banking, bitcoin, credit card info ...), then you should worry about it.
 
user406009
And then you should have two factor authentication.
 
5:31 PM
@kush If this is an authentication to anything relevant, then the answer is yes, yes, and once again yes.
Hmm, given how hard authentication and autorization is, and how commonly it's done, there should exist frameworks for that
 
nwp
openID or whatever the thing is called that SO too uses
 
Not what I had in mind
But yes, that can work too
 
Lel, Issue-based survey.
 
@ThePhD lol fix your links
 
@набиячлэвэли Ooh, woops. Thanks.
 
Xeo
5:53 PM
@ThePhD The "deep error" one should be "fixable"
might be a PITA tho
 
Pitas are ok.
 
@Xeo I feel like I'd have to do some heavy static_asserting around stuff.
 
Xeo
ye
You should identify the main entry points into your lib from a user-facing side and may be able to improve that with some asserts
Or identify the parts that cause the most obscure errors at the drop of a hat
 
People aren't reporting the long template errors to me, they usually just give me some code, tell me it doesn't work, and then I fix it. At the moment, I'm feeling like there's not too many huge template errors anymore and it's all runtime garbage these days.
I haven't had a compiler error report in a long while.
 
Xeo
That's just for when it should be working but isn't from a library POV
what I meant is when the user does something he isn't supposed to
 
5:59 PM
I'll look at all the template entry points -- specifically in usertype -- and see if I can't get some good error messages ironed out.
I have an arity error for new_usertype and stuff, and with the new call template things explode into template errors a lot less often since I've got specialiazations for just about every kind of callable / function out there.
 
I want to static_assert more things in my library too, but then there's so much SFINAE that I can't static_assert most of it :(
 
welp, pulse audio died
fuck
working again
and i discovered my master volume was at 50, which has solved about 2 months of thinking my headphones were dying
which is nice
my computer is over saturating sound on 140% volume :D
like the old times
 
6:29 PM
-4
Q: Software for find string in php?

Noitc Matteo Della CorteHello i translate panel dj but there are 1000 file php to translate. Is there software for search string in all files php for translate determined string? For example: ''Clear timetable'' search this string on all files php in my folder

/cc @Mysticial
 
fail
ahaha
Oh it's tagged .
 
Yeah, OP wants to search strings in PHP files.
 
Hey there, as usual, I would like to ask something regarding how SO works. I have a question and I know that there is a way to do it (I might be wrong or it might be insufficient to do it that way). So, I am going to askthe question, but should I provide an anwser myself for my question on what it can be done or not?
 
@Grey you can check "answer to your own question" below, but i doubt that's what you want
 
OK thanks! In general, is it ineffective to answer your own question as you might not get another answer?
 
6:43 PM
@Grey it's designed to make community wikis
 
Oh I see! thank you. I didnt know what is it used for.
 
@Grey if it actually answers the question, then sure
 
6:59 PM
@Ven I'll need to check if they caught the regression I've found and didn't bother reporting. :P
I wonder how many days before they git tag the release.
 
Ven
:)
 
7:21 PM
@Mysticial At least it's not a complete failure. For a true horror, think of PHP implemented in hardware, so you could never change it or fix anything!
 
nwp
hardware accelerated PHP, what could possibly go wrong?
 
7:44 PM
I'm so tired for some reason.
 
nwp
side effect of life
 
Far from being the worst one though.
 

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