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12:05 AM
Another week of VS ICEs start
syntax error: near: anything ever.
 
aww I’ll support you by pushing the boundaries on GCC
 
The only issues I have with GCC is suboptimal code gen, haven't had an ICE in forever
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos Linus' rants about GCC codegen are the funniest shit
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos don’t be shy, you have to hit it with everything you have
 
@LucDanton Some of us get paid to write trivial C++, with the occasional variadic on a good day.
 
12:10 AM
no gloating allowed
 
Can we goat?
 
@набиячлэвэли you mean the red zone write and the constant spill one
 
12:36 AM
@Mikhail I recall Knuth agrees with you there. He stated his firm belief that P = NP but the equality is in reality so untractable it is useless. This was February this year.
 
@CaptainGiraffe btw, its actually an assignment rather an equality
 
@Mikhail That would be post facto.
 
@LucDanton actually you can just use std::move and give it iterators. Its almost perfect but I need to get rid of the resize so that it will match push... coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/fa33f7ed8b68c27c
 
okay so
we like making jokes about how std::move from <utility> doesn’t move
but as it turns out std::move from <algorithm> moves even less
@Mikhail the difference between std::copy and std::move is the difference between memcpy and memmove
 
We have more than one std::move?
 
12:42 AM
yeah what the heck
I can only worship one std::move
 
/cc @Griwes I suppose
 
I'm currently move agnostic.
 
unfortunate names aside, one is the 'copy non-overlapping things algorithm' and one is the 'backward copy possibly overlapping things algorithm'
move iterators are there so that the copies are turned into moves
 
So neither std::moves actually moves stuff?
As in &&.
 
@LucDanton. Wait. Are you saying that the range move uses copy iterators
 
12:47 AM
well I get the same exact thing, if I use ' std::copy(std::make_move_iterator(queue_one.begin()),
std::make_move_iterator(queue_one.end()),
queue_two.begin());' compared to 'std::move(queue_one.begin(), queue_one.end(), queue_two.begin());'...
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos um, that’s kinda problematic to answer
 
@Mikhail change the value type to a move-only type such as std::unique_ptr<int> and you can see how move iterators become necessary
@AndreasPapadopoulos the std::move algorithm is a 'copy' algorithm
the 'copy' algorithm are refactored while(from != end) *dest++ = *from++; loops
 
Okay so whether elements are copied or moved depends on the underlying iterator, not the Aldo?
Algo* jfc
 
precisely, it’s about what *from notionally means
 
12:50 AM
Where is Aldo
Thanks @LucDanton for showering us in knowledge time and time again
 
a plum std::vector<X>::iterator hands out references, so that then *dest++ = *from++ involves no moves
std::move_iterator<It> is an adaptor that essentially involves decltype(auto) operator*() const { return std::move(*underlying_it); }
 
@LucDanton Okay, so I changed it and I don't see no difference
 
@Mikhail with respect to what?
 
replaced the std::vector with a std::unique_ptr
 
So what does copy_backward do then
inb4 "it copies backwards"
 
12:54 AM
@AndreasPapadopoulos I’ve actually never heard of that one
 
This is why we have cpp_reference
 
I’m not thoroughly confused
there’s no move in the index for C++03 lol
there is a pair of copy/move standing for overlapping vs non-overlapping for char traits
 
@LucDanton I'm not at work yet but I think move does move. I'll try and report.
 
but the algorithms really were copy and copy_backward from the start
 
copy_backward seems to be memmove
 
1:01 AM
I don’t get how I imagined a whole algorithm for so long, while never noticing copy_backward
 
Drugs
There's also move_backward so I guess that settles it
Now strip him of all his rep
 
Apr 11 '12 at 17:55, by Luc Danton
Aight, std::move isn't what you should use. I thought it was named in the style of memcopy/memmove but it's not that.
something about tigers and memory stripes
 
stripers?
 
Apr 11 '12 at 17:50, by Luc Danton
No, use std::move.
I did the same thing back then lol
Apr 11 '12 at 17:52, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Oh, there is a copy_backward. I thought it was a joke.
@R.MartinhoFernandes out of curiosity do you remember a C++03 std::move algorithm?
it’s not like I used memmove a lot either ._.
@Mikhail to cut a long story short that is the appropriate thing to use
 
1:28 AM
@Mikhail Hey I don't mean to be a douschebag and criticize suh a tiny thing, which you may already know, but you ashould do ++i and not i++ in your for loop
4
If you do i++ you get a temporary copy you never use. This is called premature pessimisation.
 
lol
 
You're saying I'm rude?
 
I'm saying I'm pretty sure he does optimization as part of his job, and likely just types out the loop as a matter of habit and looks at the assembly if he decides he cares about optimizing a piece of code he's working on
frequently, the post-increment gets optimized out and pre/post doesn't wind up making a difference
the part you want to be careful of is templated/generic code because you don't know how expensive the difference could wind up being, though typically iterators should be fairly lightweight
it was nice of you to point it out though
 
There's a difference. Herb Sutter talks about this in his book (CPP101). He says that things such as i++ vs ++i should become habbit. Not doing it has absolutely no justification. You are deoptimizing your code from the get go.
 
1:42 AM
I'm saying that most of the time, it doesn't make a big enough difference, and if it winds up being something he cares about he'll fix it if it makes a difference in the assembly
 
While you do have a point, I must say that weather that gets optimized out or not is defined by the compiler, not the standard. The standard does, however, define how ++i works and how i++ works.
I don't mean to step on someone's foot over something they know, but didn't do. I was just saying. No strings attached.
 
@EnnMichael and all decent (and I'm pretty sure just all modern) compilers will recognize that the expression result is discarded with an integer, and optimize the copy out. With generic code it is much more likely to make a difference.
 
in fact there is no temporary, that’s for class types (for the most part)
 
pre vs post increment on gcc 6.1 under -O3 results in two xorl instructions being swapped, and that's it
 
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A: Make moderator messages anonymous

TelkittyI, for one, against this proposal. If you have used your power, at least take the responsibility. If a member of the police force gun down someone who might or might not be a suspect, (s)he shouldn't ask the whole police force to take responsibility for it. Any misjudgement was on that person's...

 
user406009
1:58 AM
@Telkitty I agree with the general gist, but how do you deal with the personal harassment Mods often face?
 
I can see it get heavily downvoted ...
Other moderators have had disgruntled users repeatedly phone their place of work trying to get them fired.
serious?
how did they find mod's work phone numbers?
 
Google?
 
Gosh ... ?buy life
@Lalaland responsibility goes hand in hand with power :/
 
user406009
A mod's power is somewhat limited.
 
Historically, online communities of the 90s and early 2000s were anonymous - and finding out the identity of your chat room mod was extremely difficult. Today that vibe has been destroyed by Google, etc, but I guess we have Bootstrap...
 
2:05 AM
@Lalaland and the ones that are worst if abused wouldn't be seen by users anyway (e.g. I cast binding spam flag boom, post deleted by "community", -100)
 
there are ways to stay anonymous, asking to be elected as a mod isn't one of them
 
sure, but there's no need to make the mod <-> troll relationship 1:1 and personal unnecessarily when doing do doesn't achieve anything
 
Personally I agree on the message being anonymous if 2 or more moderators reach the same decision.

After all community is not a single person.
 
2:30 AM
@EnnMichael frist of all its spelt "whether"
 
 
1 hour later…
3:56 AM
@AndreasPapadopoulos o deer
 
4:15 AM
$ c++filt '_ZSt7forwardIRZN20variant_product_with11test_methodEvEUlOT_E_ES2_RNSt16remove_referenceIS1_E4typeE'
[1]    6995 segmentation fault (core dumped)  c++filt
@AndreasPapadopoulos
 
4:50 AM
Hadn't noticed c++ name mangling had become cryptographically secure
 
if you’re not mangling your types on the blockchain you’re doing it wrong
 
Now I know what takes so long when I compile
 
5:03 AM
@AndreasPapadopoulos wanna paint the bikeshed?
alternatively, interested in me mansplaining to you some of the ways you can eliminate (i.e. use) a variant?
 
5:21 AM
Succomber à ta pugnacité est mon désir le plus féroce
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos jvais supposer que c’est un oui
 
Hi Guys, I want to learn Design patterns in C++ is "https://sourcemaking.com/design_patterns" a good source?
Hi Guys, I want to learn Design patterns in C++ is sourcemaking.com/design_patterns a good source?
 
@LucDanton C'est une interprétation raisonnable
(Allez balance la sauce)
 
sec
 
@user1336087 Don't learn design patterns. Take on a project, follow the tutorial, try it again your own way and you'll understand why the patterns arose. Design patterns are more of a marketing gimmick than practical knowledge because if you're studying them, you don't know enough to use them properly.
On the other hand, by all means, if you get stuck on a project and know kind of how to solve the problem, but want to see if there's a better way, dig up websites like that for reference material.
 
5:32 AM
Thanks Aaron for a good suggestion...
Could you please also suggest a basic project considering I don't have any experience...
 
What have you last coded?
 
Only C
And a propriety language which is only used in my company :(
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos you know how the nuclear option for consuming variants is what Boost.Variant (and C++1z) calls visitation, right?
it’s a nuclear option in that you have to handle all cases. in my example there are two 3-variants involved, so that makes 9 cases
 
Try out a simple terminal/cout RPG; your player attacks enemies and can equip new weapons dropped by the enemy. Avoid using pointers or new; RAII has your back as an efficient garbage-collection technique. Most growth is pretty much curiosity, practice, and research when things blow up in your face.
 
Thanks a lot for the suggestions @Aaron3468, I'll try to find a simple project on GitHub...
 
5:41 AM
Simple and C++ don't go well together. If you can't use cmake, the only projects you'll be able to compile from github will be header files only. Good luck, anyways!
 
@LucDanton Yes so far I follow
 
sigh, I am applying for a visa but I forgot to bring my passport
also app crashes on start because I didn't test it at home
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos so suppose we want to implement equality comparison for a given variant type, and choose to make it work very similarly to tuple equality/lexicographic order: v == w iff they hold the same alternative (i.e. v.which() == w.which()) and those alternatives are equal. works fine with the nuclear option still, using a heterogeneous eq comparison that’s false for differing types
 
Yes alright
 
for a N-variant though we are still handling N² cases whereas there really are only N interesting cases i.e. the 'diagonal'
in fact the standard wording gives the spec for operator== as v.which() == w.which() && get<i>(v) == get<i>(w) where i is the active alternative
that spec can’t be implemented as is since we can’t just do auto i = v.which(); get<i>(v)
 
5:52 AM
Right
 
so I chose to provide that operation as a special case; then the implementation for operator== looks like return lhs.which() == rhs.which() && unchecked_zip_with_as<bool>(equal_to, lhs, rhs);
now the interesting thing is that you can smash more than just variants like that, you can e.g. operate on an N-tuple and an N-variant together
if the i-th alternative is active, then the result is visitation of the i-th tuple element and i-th active alternative
iow the tuple sort of looks like a variant for the purpose of visitation
 
That's kind of scary
 
is it?
 
The unchecked zip
 
I get what you mean, yeah
 
5:57 AM
It makes me shudder
 
but note that with just an n-tuple and n-variant that’s actually type-safe
they can’t be 'out of sync' as it can be with several variant arguments
 
Now can you tell me why you implemented this
Is it for fun or to respond to an actual need
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos yes
 
I knew it
Je demande par curiosité et non par moquerie, car si tu voyais le code qui s'écrit ici, tu t'éviderais les yeux avec une fourchette
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos it’s useful for implementing range concatenation: given a tuple of N containers, an iterator/view/range/what have you into that can be implemented as an N-variant of their respective iterators/views/ranges/etc.
 
6:05 AM
One thing I've learned is that there are many times ugly C++ code is necessary because C++ has ugly problems
 
and here I use erasing as an example of operation that needs access to the 'correct' container i.e. the one that corresponds to the active pair of iterators
 
like the PIMPL idiom
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos just use a spoon geez
 
@LucDanton ok that is quite cool
You know I have a folder called "lucsnippets" under "programming" for this kind of thing
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos there fortuitously was a recent Haskell blog post on functor pairings (a functorial value together with a functorial value of the dual functor), which is more or less what is happening here, but I digress
@AndreasPapadopoulos anyhoo the shed to paint is that I don’t want unchecked_zip_with(f, tup, var) to treat the tuple as a special citizen by default, I want the user to ask for that with unchecked_zip_with(f, bikeshed(tup), var) cc @Xeo this is cotuple all over again
 
Xeo
6:24 AM
Why not just get(tup, var.which()), and then you have two variants again?
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos perhaps a simpler example (and in fact what was the original motivation): suppose I want to index into a tuple at runtime, e.g. select the element of { 1, '3', "five"s } at offset i. the result type for that operation would be variant<int, char, std::string>
@Xeo yeah the operations are equivalent
do you honestly think that would improve the API?
 
Xeo
I just feel like a bikeshed(tup) would be... wrong?
haven't thought too deep into it, since I just skimmed over the conversation
 
@Xeo for the record the reason I want a demarcation is that the variants operations already accept non-variant arguments
e.g. product_with([](auto& cont, int i) { cont.resize(i); }, varying_container, 3)
saves the user from binding/capturing
 
Xeo
Feels like capture would be neater, tbh :P
 
it makes variants::product_with(f, a, b, c) the counterpart of f(a, b, c) in the same sense that applicative f <$> a <*> b <*> c is the counterpart of pure f a b c
actually that argument can be spun against me since I don’t do the pure/effectful distinction as clearly, if you pass in a variant then it’s 'visited' no matter what
you can’t 'escape' it as you would with pure
@Xeo does it make a difference if the would-be argument is not a lambda expression?
because then you’d have to add the lambda, capture, and lose SFINAE-friendliness
 
Xeo
6:35 AM
ye, thought about that
also forwarding n stuff
 
oh yeah
 
Xeo
anyways, don't have much time right now, sorry. I feel like your product_with / applicative "similarity" doesn't quite hold, since <*> expects applicatives on both sides, while your product_with(f, var_cont, 3) has a pure rhs.
I may also be talking rubbish and not know it, since my head is aching and I'm about to head to the doctor, sorry.
 
@Xeo that would also result in two linear instantiations: first for indexing into the tuple, then for visiting the resulting variant
@Xeo I really meant idiom brackets, the fact that they look like let c = pure x in f <$> a <*> b <*> c is syntactically unfortunate
there’s a switch from pure function application to <$>/<*>/pure (aka idiom brackets) as soon as at least one value is applicative
I would like a switch from f(a, b, c) to something else as soon as at least one value is to be 'interpreted' as a variant-ish thing
that 'something else' is more or less the bikeshed
I actually tuples::zip_with a lot of the time, what with things being variadic and everything. that also doesn’t let the user do the pure/tuple value distinction, if it’s a tuple then it’ll be zipped over
> So there’s an incredibly easy way to get to legend at the moment, which involves match manipulation
the reason that there’s no WvW tournament anymore is that anet doesn’t want to hand out rewards unless they are worked for, yet here we are
@Xeo hah, technically you get pure behaviour out of unary make_tuple(x) and ditto for variants
the fact that this is done for you automatically is both a convenience and an optimization, of course
oh well I’ll paint the bikeshed a nice and vibrant cotuple(tup) for the time being
 
Xeo
7:18 AM
@LucDanton But, you're not creating a cotuple at that point. You're missing half the construction information :P
 
@Xeo what we used to call cotuple I decided to have as Tuple{Tup} cotuple_t<Tup> variants::index(int offset, Tup&& tup);
(it also operates on the result of cotuple)
 
Xeo
Here's another bikeshed to paint: Shouldn't that live as tuples::get(tup, i)? :P You're producing a variant there, but consuming a tuple.
or do you allow such cross-"module" functions as aliases for your lib?
 
@Xeo the practical reason is that the dispatch machinery is very much a variant thing
all of these things use the same underlying machinery, i.e. building a huge ass dispatch table
index does in fact just that: index into it
@Xeo well, the closest thing is that it’s not in variant/variant.hpp proper but in variant/cotuple.hpp, i.e. the pretence is that it’s a junction of both variant and tuple concerns
 
On ne cotuple pas devant les enfants
 
Xeo
variating_tuples/variant/tuple/cotuple.hpp
no wait, should be tuple/variant/cotuple.hpp, as it goes from tuple to variant. :D
I should probably stop before Luc strangles me
 
7:42 AM
@Xeo it’s not about conversion though
if you recall I said there were equivalents. in this case indexing into an n-tuple is like smashing that n-tuple with an n-variant of unit types, and just forwarding the interesting result
 
Ven
@LucDanton well @Griwes said it wasn't a GoodEnuff quote
@LucDanton don't rightfold him
 
speaking of quotes, cppreference sez that alignof(char) is 1 but I couldn’t find where they get that from
 
must be a multiple of its size?
 
Xeo
The standard doesn't have over-aligned types, does it?
 
@Mikhail I’m sure it’s a multiple of 1, yes
 
Ven
7:52 AM
That "comonad as space" blogpost is a tiny bit too much for me to handle.
 
@Ven I said I don't think it's good enough. :P
 
I think the key thing is that over-aligned, isn't default.
 
@Xeo no, that’s objects
 
Anyways, we need a memcmp that works on objects with their alignment quirks, so I can stop writing equality operators (which I think should be defaulted, but MSVC...)
 
Step 1. Stop using MSVC
Step 2. Stop using VS
Step 3. ???
Step 4. See god
 
8:00 AM
The people who build my $70k equipment provide SDKs written in single threaded COM.
 
Here is somebody giving no fucks about alignment, stackoverflow.com/a/3022052/314290
best part is the guy's name
also CUDA needs MSVC2013
 
@Ven I more or less glossed over the stuff that’s not about pairings
 
@Ven did rigidfold write it
 
Ven
@LucDanton ah, ok. makes it a bit better
@набиячлэвэли i usually don't take issues of whatever rightfold says, wrt programming
 
8:15 AM
@Ven "comonad as space" sounds exactly like rigidfold's kind of bullshit
 
@Ven I actually am curious about the rest lol, it’s just I’ve put it off for now. it rings a bell regarding some stuff I’ve tried, but that was long ago and I’d want to immerse myself in it again before I take a serious stab at it
 
Ven
or bartek's.
 
@Xeo oh, I forgot to make a joke that I don’t want to use covariant because, well, that’s just confusing!
 
Xeo
haha
just ditch tuple and variant and use covariant and cotuple
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos FYI I'm usually the one that jokes that std::move can also move
 
8:27 AM
I like to std::move(*it); std::move(*it);
12
 
(original joke by Puppy)
 
nwp
there are no original jokes
 
Ven
except the Your Mom ones
 
morning
 
Ven
8:35 AM
\o
 
so ... if a question's worst answer has received more than twice as much net downvotes as the net upvotes that its best answer has received, can we conclude that there is something not right going on?
 
nwp
no, why?
 
Ven
I admit it gets to me at times that we need to be 5 to downvote to "counter" a single upvote.
 
nwp
easy solution: reduce upvote rep to 3, increase "has added a space in docs" rep to 20 per day (minimum guarantee)
 
Ven
i still get more than 20 rep per day from docs.
I'd say I get around 80.
 
nwp
8:46 AM
I imagine that at SO HQ they don't worry much about the docs rep because they can always change the numbers later. What they don't realize is that the rep only has as much value as people feel it has, and if that feeling disappears they can't get it back through number tweaking.
 
Ven
they're not gonna rollback the rep people have already gotten, though.
Or at least they've never done it.
 
@Griwes could this be the reason why I pinged you
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos no idea
I'm past trying to deduce your motives from short messages.
 
nwp
Motive Deduction Failure Is Not An Error!
 
Hi All. I am getting soo fustrated with cmake. I just want to create a simple shared library and distribute it to another machine where another cmake build can pick it up. Without using full path names and installing anything. Does anyone know of any canonical minimal example that does this I can use?
 
Ven
8:50 AM
i know of a criminal example
 
@Ven: I will take anything right now?
4
 
Ven
okay i actually lol'd
 
nwp
having a script generate useful code + documentation is really nice, trying to modify some 2kloc python script not so much
 
@Griwes sorry I forgot the sarcasm tag
 
Ven
8:55 AM
tfw you can't protect this question :[
yaa bayes theorem — Akshay Kumar 45 secs ago
YAAAAAA!!!
alasso
 
Kumar d'alors
 
Ven
Jon Skeet is up to 888k rep; I'm sad I missed the 666k flag
 
@nwp Scripts can't generate documentation.
 
nwp
My script essentially takes a header and generates RPC code. The generated documentation describes the byte-representation that the generated code uses. I'd say that counts as documentation.
it is actually useful, not just a header with html tags around it like doxygen
 
Ell
9:13 AM
@Puppy they can generate PDF/html/etc though
Which is useful
I presume this is what @nwp means
 
@Ell Yes, but since they can't get any useful input, then they caan't generate any useful output.
 
10:01 AM
hi guys. can anybody tell what goes wrong here? stackoverflow.com/questions/39076020/…
 
Ven
Won't somebody think of the Puppy?
R.I.@Puppy
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Q: Gatling :- scala Read JSON object from xls file and write response back to it

SwapnilI want to read requestPayLoad Json object from some my.xls file and also want to write response back to it. How can I go for it. I'm very new to scala, so Code spinet will help.

@Borgleader I get very sad when someone puts a bounty so it can't be closed. :[
 
10:20 AM
@KarolyHorvath You already did that. So?
 
Ven
5 answers to that shit question
one has 106k rep, another one 65.2k
 
but that's how you get some many reps in the first place
 
@nwp only original sin
 
jumping at every opportunity no matter how bad it is
 
@Ven I smell jealousy :)
 
Ven
10:26 AM
@sehe I'd say distrust in the system
 
typical 15k user reaction
 
@Telkitty You cannot possibly comment on that. You're the one consistently creating opportunities tp jump on of even lower value /and/ jumping on them.
 
Ven
@LucDanton wow that's the patriarchy at work
 
TL;DR meta trolls should probably not judge people who actually contribute (badly, or otherwise)
 
@Ven pointriarchy
 
10:28 AM
@Ven ":)" fyi
 
Ah. Star awarded
 
a repiarchy for disastery
 
-41 (net downvotes)
 
Ven
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Q: How to convert an integer array into an ip address in c++?

AnantmurtiI have an array ipAddress[4] with 4 integer values e.g. 127,0,0,1 and I need to convert it to a string "127.0.0.1". How can I do this? Edit: Just to clarify, I need this at a later point to compare with an input from a function. I do not want to print this out on the screen.

 
10:29 AM
I am creating new personal record!
 
It's because of rep culture
 
Ven
@sehe no no i get it. but it actually pains me a bit
though I'm sure you've been feeling it for much longe than me
 
On several occasions, this has resulted in some pretty intense social media stalking on my Facebook and Twitter, ranging from personal insults to attacks on my professional LinkedIn profile. Other moderators have had disgruntled users repeatedly phone their place of work trying to get them fired.
true or not?
I find this a bit hard to believe
I mean, sure there are psychos on stackoverflow
But as one of internet's elitest trolls, I had someone call me on the phone, I had various accounts hacked, I had one personal attacks on my youtube channel, one moderately voted entry on urbandictionary. No personal attack on twitter or linkedin page (or I rarely touched those accounts and ignored them all by accident).
People might do thing out of rage, but it's hardly that persistent
don't worry about those disgruntled users, they are not that into you
 
10:49 AM
@Telkitty unless there is a 4chan board egging themselves on
The feedback loop of a few users griping to each other on can extend that persistence quite a bit
 
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Q: Two values for one int

Casper T.I want to put two values for int x and two for int y. This code will actually run perfectly, but I get an error when compiling because I'm not using one of the values for each int. Is there a better way to do this or should I just ignore the error? #include <stdio.h> int main() { int x = (10, ...

 
@ratchetfreak forums and chats are different, I used to frequent a site, during the high period, I had a bunch of regulars who will comment on each and every of my posts that they see and it even last for a few years after I stopped visiting there regularly
 
cc @Borgleader
 
this is insane
 
Ell
@Puppy eh
Why can't they get useful input?
 
11:16 AM
because they're not telepathic.
useful documentation is written by humans for humans, it's a human thing.
generated documentation is just "list all the functions" which my IDE can already do
 
@Ven There's a reason why I'm hardly active on SO anymore
 
I thought it's because of your new job ... also you are always on this chat
 
@KarolyHorvath this answer is /not/ the place for such detailed explanations. The answer should just address the question. For the background, it c/should link to prior art. Anything else would be a disservice and actually makes sense only in "rep-wh*ring." (Oooo - forbidden word) — sehe 7 secs ago
 
garbage in -> garbage out
 
Ven
kicks
 
11:25 AM
apparently prostitution is made illegal on this site
rep wh0ring used to be allowed, now not
 
@ratchetfreak literally the human body
 
Any filtering organism, then
 
11:41 AM
i.e. all of them
 
 
lol
 
nwp
apparently randall killed the site he linked to
 
yeah I noticed that
 
^the linked flowchart
 
nwp
11:49 AM
you forgot to mention the title
> METEORITE OR METEORWRONG
(it finally loaded for me)
 
meteoryourface
 
Ell
@Puppy I just said that they generate pdfs
etc.
I never claimed they can write documentation for you
 
yes, but if there's no documentation in the pdfs what's the point of the pdf.
 
Ell
wat
@Puppy why would there be no documentation?
okay wtf, my gravatar just changed :V
 
Ven
12:01 PM
welcome to the pond!
 
because no documentation in source?
 
Ell
The human writes the documentation
then the scripts generates the pdf/html/etc.
Did my gravatar change for everyone else btw?
 
yes.
 
nwp
green on my client
 
so what you've described has nothing to do with documentation generation at all.
the documentation creation is still entirely human-driven.
you're just converting it from one format to another.
in which case whoopdedoo I guess that's useful but nothing to write home about and certainly not a documentation generator.
 
Ell
12:03 PM
@Puppy that's like saying compiling has nothing to do with "program generation"
going from source -> compiled program
is what I would call generating a program from source files
same with documentation
 
@Ell exactly the human still writes what the program should do
 
Ell
@ratchetfreak yes
anyway, idc, got work to do
 
nwp
@Ell You can't do that. You are in a useless semantic argument. You can't just back out.
 
@nwp but that's the only way to win
 
@Ell It certainly doesn't. It generates a particular program format, which is not the same thing at all.
compilers are program transformers, not program generators.
 
12:10 PM
input is a program in a certain language and output is (hopefully) the equivalent program in a different language
 
nwp
> I have downloaded the latest version of the Linux kernel and I want to perform thorough analysis on it. I want to start by eliminating comments from all the source and header files that belong to it.
that one is a real pro haxx0r
 
Ven
nice
 
but when analyzing you will want to be able to go back to the original code, such a large transformation is counterproductive to that...
 
12:26 PM
@sehe what's a meta troll
 
nwp
trolls on meta.so
but a troll-trolling troll would be nice too
 
hot troll-on-troll action
 
> Why do revenants have two underwater weapon slots if they can only use harpoons?
@AndreasPapadopoulos
 
Well they have two hands like everyone no
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos are you saying Elementalists and Engineers are one-handed?
 
12:37 PM
Other hand likely has carpal syndrome, yes
 
net -45 downvotes
gimme gimme more, gimme more ...
 
From the constant kit/attunement switch
 
do you even camp fire staff
 
Too intense
 
@AndreasPapadopoulos meta troll is like meat roll, but for dyslexia
 

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