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8:00 PM
I'm good at those.
Sometimes, embarassingly so
 
@sehe Dang. Skipping out on English class was a good idea then, bad idea now.
 
In linguistics, periphrasis is a device by which a grammatical category or grammatical relationship is expressed by a free morpheme (typically one or more function words modifying a content word), instead of being shown by inflection or derivation. For example, the English future tense is periphrastic: it is formed with an auxiliary verb (shall or will) followed by the base form of the main verb. Another example is the comparative and superlative forms of adjectives, when they are formed with the words more and most rather than with the suffixes -er and -est: the forms more beautiful and ...
Wikipedia is confusing.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Use Simple English.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hah. Do I get bonus points? Incidentally, my ready command of Greek was still just about sufficient to see the link to circumlocution, although I'd never before seen 'periphrasis' used
USE Simple English is not an acronym
 
@tom_mai78101 That doesn't work when you're trying to learn about a Complex English word.
 
Ell
8:02 PM
@user1131997 its a Tim and Eric song :L
 
@sehe Dang, back to drawing board.
 
@tom_mai78101 I reckon you got the fashionable (F/OSS) reference?
 
@sehe Yes, I do.
 
@tom_mai78101 Good!
 
Alrighty, totally AFKing, now that I have dishes to wash.
 
8:05 PM
@tom_mai78101 You bought dishes? I just smash them. I have an affinity with things Greek, I guess
 
It's not like that when you're in different cultures.
 
Now your keyboard is dripping with foam.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I love wikipedia but hate the panhandling.
 
I got rice and cornflakes on my keyboard now.
F***, I can see the glimpse of sunlight from the horizon.
 
Aggressive panhandling is a legal term designating those forms of public solicitation which have been designated as unlawful. Proponents of such legislation include both liberal and conservative commentators who concur on the advisability of placing limits on these activities; opponents lament the continuation of the "criminalization of homelessness" and argue that such laws discriminate and are unevenly enforced. Definition of Aggressive Panhandling Different towns and cities define panhandling differently. A general definition for Aggressive Panhandling is: Solicitation(s) made in per...
 
8:07 PM
@DavidJBerman Adblock.
 
For a (longish) moment I thought that whole article ^^ was an elaborate April's Fool
> Panhandling vs Busking / Panhandling is viewed on a spectrum / Aggressive panhandling as a social problem
 
tom_mai78101 (tommai78101, tom.mai78101, tom mai78101) is a nickname created by an unknown teenager. The name itself is a portmanteau of the creator's name, the teenager's name, and the date it was referencing to. History Paul Branson, (born October 1, 1978, male), was the founder of the basis of the nickname. In 1996, he was accused of murdering his family, charged first-degree murder in Mississippi. While he was in prison, his roommate told him of different, varied stories that origins from a single word, namely "motami" ("Word Friend" in French). Paul wrote the stories down on a piec...
 
What kind of avant-garde fiction book is that from
 
This was once my elaborate article.
AFK
 
sbi
I spent the whole day digging through soil in bitter cold, and now, back at home, I feel like glowing. And I ache all over. And I am tired.
Also, a water pipe has burst during the winter. Bugger. I will have to spend the Easter weekend laying new pipes throughout my garden. (Plus I will have to spend a lot of money on this.)
 
8:09 PM
> he made many messages containing the source of idealistic imaginations
@tommai78101 USE Simple English ? ^ (a.k.a.: My eyes! the dictionaries, they do nothing!)
 
@sbi What does "feel like glowing" mean?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Feeling very warm. It's a feeling you get when you spend a cold day outside, and then you come back into the warm.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes dude!
 
What?
What did I do?
 
8:11 PM
@R. Martinho ?
 
@sbi More to the point, what did @sbi do? He took care of the Pepper guy, but did he spend all day digging a grave?
 
What does the number mean over this pattern icon on the left of my text input area?
 
@sehe Woah, what's happening?
 
sbi
@sehe I have a garden, and today we turned on the water. So, cold or not, I had to be there. And since the weather did hold (lots of sun, though cold), I just stayed and kept doing things.
 
8:12 PM
@DavidJBerman It means someone mentioned you or replied to your messages.
 
@DavidJBerman Flags (in blue). You're a 10k user. Or: your got mail (in green)
 
Garbage in, garbage out:
 
@DavidJBerman a response to your message.
 
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Q: Issue with implementing "Closest pair of points" in C++

ConradI'm trying to implement Closest pair of points in C++ according to Cormen book and wikipedia article, I think that algorithm is correct, but it does work only for a very small data. Code is below: #include <cstdio> #include <algorithm> #include <cmath> #define REP(i,n) for(int ...

 
@DavidJBerman either how many messages were sent to you by "@DavidJBerman" notation, or how many active flags are being handled ATM
 
8:12 PM
Ahh cool ty
 
@sbi :) phew. That was a relief
 
complex chat room
 
yesterday, by je4d
If you are new here, please read the newbie hints. Thank you.
 
lol
43 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@cooky451 I'm inclined to say yes, but the only person I know that fully understands those rules is @Johannes.
why did you say THIS?
 
@KonradRudolph Me sees #define REP(i,n) for(int i=0;i<n;i++), closes tab.
 
8:13 PM
i'm such a silly n00b!
 
@sehe Yes, indeed.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Because I believe it to be true.
 
sbi
@sehe I wouldn't say it was a relief, but it was nice being back in the garden. I wish it hadn'#t been so cold. When I looked at the temperature this morning, it was 2.9°C outside. Brrr. I actually got the gloves back out for the bycicle ride.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Almost the same for me. I was expecting to find a few news sprinkled in there, so I checked. Was not disappointed.
 
8:15 PM
@sbi I guess the winter isn't so bad after all.
 
@sbi Good thought. I was contemplating going to school early tomorrow morning and letting the kids go on their own bikes (the youngest still with toddler-wheels).
 
@sehe Make sure they practice the braking systems first, before heading out.
 
I used toddler-wheels until I was six or something.
 
sbi
@tom_mai78101 We had about two weeks with <-20°C this winter. That was Siberian, and certainly quite bad.
 
And then I learned to fall, followed closely by learned to ride.
 
8:17 PM
You know, up the ante for the oldest
 
@sbi Well, that's not so bad after today. :)
 
@tom_mai78101 Thanks. I thought of that one (and a zillion more)
 
this winter was quite warm
 
sbi
@sehe My kids never got the chance to use toddler wheels. Spoils them, I think. They started to ride the bike the right way from day one. This worked very well. One of them learned to ride a bike before her second birthday.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Climate's changed, young one.
 
sbi
8:18 PM
@tom_mai78101 I don't get you.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Erm... eight years here. Do you by any chance have any spherical eye-sight correction? (I use glasses with quite heavy 'cylindrical' corrections)
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Except for those two weeks in February.
 
Apparently, that kept me from developing a good sense of balance throughout my young years
 
@sehe I have no idea what that means. But I suspect "My eyesight is perfectly fine" answers it.
 
@sbi You said the past two weeks of winter, is <20 C. For a person who has never seen snow or anything, anything lower than 0 C is like flying to Neverland.
 
8:20 PM
By the way, the first thing I did without toddler wheels was crash in our neighbours new car. Nice looong scratch on the side
@RMartinhoFernandes It does
 
@sehe Haha, similar here, except I crashed into a fence.
 
@sehe Yeesh...
 
@sehe Good. Next thing to teach them: how to run away quickly and inconspicuously (and have an alibi ready later)
or have they mastered that already?
 
Hit my crotch on the "steering thingy" (whatever English call that).
 
@RMartinhoFernandes In my younger years, we ride bicycles and purposefully ram into the fences, just to see how well fences are held up. We ended up getting some spanking and no bicycles for the rest of my life.
 
8:22 PM
Didn't touch a bike for two weeks afterwards.
 
sbi
@tom_mai78101 Not "the past two weeks", but "two weeks in this last winter". And while I prefer a dry (and snowed in) -5°C to the rainy +5°C the winter in Berlin usually is, -20°C is no piece of cake. It actually becomes life-threatening to wait at a bus stop for a prolonged timespan.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Handlebar?
 
@KonradRudolph Yeah, that.
 
@sbi I can't imagine that. Sorry.
 
@sbi Oh all kids here are on bikes before their second. To be honest, my kids don't go out to play all that often, so not having toddler wheels would raise the barrier enough that they wouldn't even consider mounting a bike... So in effect it is a means to moderate use of bikes...
I guess we are sploing ourselves with this:
@KonradRudolph lol
@KonradRudolph No, but their parents have mastered Responsibility I and II and Insurance I
 
8:24 PM
Oh, you're playing IRL.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Who me? Always
 
sbi
@sehe My kids use their bikes to go to kindergarten and school in the summer. And to the garden. And when they accompany me when I go shopping. And... They were all eager to get one for themselves, so that they wouldn't need to ride on the seat on their parents' bike, but could ride along, together with their siblings. So getting them to try to ride was always easy.
 
@FredOverflow Just a pdf reader
 
@sbi Next thing when they grow up, getting them skateboards and roller blades.
 
sbi
@sehe Plus lots of memory. The new standard is quite big.
 
8:26 PM
Okular is using 64 megs to hold the standard document open.
Not that much.
 
@sbi Just today I discouraged my inlaws from making seat cushions for that 'cargo bike' (watchamacallit?)
 
@sehe Wagonmobile.
 
@sehe A kike.
 
sbi
@tom_mai78101 On of my sons now wants to have roller blades. I have been bugging his older siblings to dig for their old ones, so I wouldn't have to buy yet another pair. One of his older brothers bought himself a skate board last year. I am fine with him buying that for himself, but I wouldn't have spent the money for it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Kike is a derogatory slur used to refer to a Jew.
Kike () is a derogatory slur used to refer to a Jew. Etymology The source of the term is uncertain. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, it may be an alteration of the endings –ki or –ky common in the personal names of Jews in eastern Europe who immigrated to the United States in the early 20th century. The first recorded use of the term is in 1904. According to Our Crowd, by Stephen Birmingham, the term "kike" was coined as a put-down by the assimilated U.S. Jews from Germany to identify eastern European Jews: "Because many Russian [Jewish] names ended in 'ki', they were calle...
 
8:29 PM
@tom_mai78101 I know.
It's also a portmanteau of "kargo" and "bike" that I just made up.
 
sbi
@sehe My kids always rode in a bike trailer. That's now almost 15 years old, looks pretty worn, and waits to get trashed.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Acroread: 104Mb, Okular 72Mb (but a hell-of-a-lot slower), Evince 61Mb (and fast), xpdf (just segfaults). That is all with a home-compiled n3337.pdf
 
@sbi Then, you've accomplished Father of the Year for Outdoor Activites. :D
 
@sehe "hell-of-a-lot" slower?
Okular runs pretty smooth here.
 
sbi
 
8:31 PM
Also, WTF Acroread?
 
@sbi We actually bought an extra wood-kit - in case it would wear out so much that it wouldn't sell for a decent value. Apparently, it is going to hold out nicely. Although we are going to have to change the traction cable and/or gear soon because of the wear. We use it for just about everything
 
sbi
@tom_mai78101 Actually, with my first wife we once made a bike tour with two small kids in our summer holidays. That was quite a good vacation.
 
Ell
is anyone in the mood to be depressed and/or disturbed? I have the perfect youtube short film (17 mins)
 
@Ell yay
 
8:32 PM
@Ell Nonononononono.....
 
Ell
 
@JohannesSchaublitb accounted for
 
Ell
Seriously - you have no idea how disturbing it is
 
> ***I do not own the rights to any of these videos. I am only posting them to share the comedy of Tim and Eric with everyone!***
 
@Ell I have that idea when you've mentioned it.
 
8:33 PM
I like it. Get over it :)
To be honest, only use it for printing. The print dialog is really well featured and I like the platform independent meaning of the print options
 
I like how some people think that by admitting copyright violation they are exempt from it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Add a "Disclaimer" and it will all be worth your quote.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, apparently the first time around was the starting of KDE specific subsystems. Still, after many launches, acroread is 2s to the page, Okular roughy 4s
 
Woah, seconds?
I don't count startup time as I usually just keep stuff open forever, but jump to page does not take seconds for me.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, I hope it doesn't. What page shall we do a Completely Unreliable and Irrelevant Benchmark on?
 
8:39 PM
lol
 
Nevermind, it isn't measurable in either program (except xpdf, where all pages get equal access time of positive infinity)
 
@sehe Ah, that makes more sense.
Any PDF reader that takes seconds to jump to a page gets a Get Out of My Computer Free Card.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes what PDF thing do you talk about?
viewing the spec draft in acroread?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah my 10s to-the-page was modeled on boot time benchmarks like 8 seconds to the desktop. So it was all about the startup time. Which is kind of relevant when you're observing memory usage (it is always a tradeoff)
 
that never crashed for me
 
8:42 PM
@sehe Ah, ok, I completely misunderstood then.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb neither did it for anyone. Except xpdf, which might be broken on my system, but I wasn't aware of that.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I think it's rather that they do not agree with the current copyright laws making any sense, but do not want to infringe on what they consider sane rules, so they explain themselves.
 
i thought it is based on poppler too
 
sbi
Anyway, as mentioned previously, I am very tired, so I'll go to bed now. See you tomorrow, folks!
 
8:44 PM
Yup. Just confirmed, xpdf is gone bad. Dunno how.
@sbi Night
 
gone bad. lol
wait, the dirty one is gone mad right
that weird reddit thing
 
No doubt you are making sense
 
Ell
can anyone reccomend some free 3d games to tax the graphics card?
 
Wolfenstein ET.
 
Ell
o.O
 
8:59 PM
Doom.
 
Doom is not free, is it?
I mean, playing the game without assets doesn't work very well.
 
Minecraft with the shader mod with dynamic shadows. But it isn't free.
 
Ell
i have bought minecraft :L
something other than that though
it has become tedious
 
How much does minecraft cost these days?
 
Ell
erm not sure
i got it in beta but its gone up i think
 
9:01 PM
Try it with the shader mod and dynamic shadows. Your GPU will be killed.
€20
 
Ell
@daknokt I have tried it and it was good :L but i cba to update it
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Ah.. "I've been waiting for you".. ;) -- Which of these, ignoring alignment, is UB due to strict aliasing? It seems there happens to be a lot of confusion around this, but Fernandez (if I remember correctly) said you would know the rules. :) ideone.com/3ZHpK
 
1 of my question has 3k+ views and no upvotes this makes me sad
 
@cooky451 it is a defect that the spec allows to reuse the memory of an automatic variable for another object of incompatible type
@cooky451 so if i now tell you that it "is OK", I'm probably lying because the rules will probably be reworded in C++16
 
17.
(My name ends with an s btw. Don't worry, I'm not offended or anything)
 
9:05 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Hehe I'd win 5€ with C++17^^
 
Ell
c++17!? is that how long we have to wait? :O
 
@cooky451 according to the rules without considering defect reports, I think that your code is fine if we assume correct alignment
there is no aliasing violation
there would be, if you later read the double value as a short
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Even with lines 10 and 11? Thought at least they wouldn't make it.
 
#include <new> what's in this header?
 
Placement new.
And std::nothrow too, I think.
 
9:10 PM
@cooky451 those create a double object and then read its value
they are no different than double *d = (double*)malloc(sizeof *d); *d = 1.0; double x = *d;
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Feels kind of like working with unions. I'm just surprised because this is more or less the opposite of what the rest of the world is telling me.^^
 
but, I don't really have joy talking about this part of the spec because I think one cannot make sense of it at all
 
@cooky451 as far as I can see, what I'm telling you is the canonical view on this
 
Yes, they should really rewrite this section.
 
9:12 PM
@cooky451 unions are not "special". they are just a convenient way to start and stop the lifetime of two objects that occupy overlapping regions of storage
that's why this feels like working with unions.
in terms of aliasing rules and whether or not you are allowed to read from a particular union member, the notion of "active union member" has no relevance.
the "active union member" is a conservative tool so that you can state rules refering to the active union member that are guaranteed to work
for example, in a constant expression you can read the active union member
at runtime you can not only read the active union member, but also all other members whose types are aliasing compatible with it.
but in a constant expression you cannot rely on runtime events, so you need conservative approximations like "active member"
 
@JohannesSchaublitb So using union { char byte_view[sizeof(double)]; double value; }; to inspect the representation of double is fine?
 
yes it is
there's no rule that forbids this.
anyway, bed time
 
And union { short some_other_view[sizeof(double)/sizeof(short)]; double value; };?
(Assuming sizeof(double) is a multiple of sizeof(short))
 
Poor Johannes, but this would've my next question too ;)
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Noooooooes! And now my question will stand here forever unanswered! The humanity!
 
9:22 PM
What's your favorite web framework and why do you use it? What don't you like about it? What do you wish it did differently or a feature it should have?

Are Django and Rails the end all, be all of web frameworks?
 
Are you sure you're in the right room?
 
Terrible things will happen stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/…
 
yes
 
StackOverflow has added a personal agent.
Like clippy.
But it's a unicorn!
 
I figured this room has the smartest people
 
9:24 PM
How?
 
because you're in it!
 
well, this room is also sick of being the favourite dumping ground of everybody with random questions
 
@paulwal222 Well, we all just write our web apps as extensions to the Ethernet card driver.
 
perhaps you'd be better off finding a room for a web framework
 
Ell
There arent enough users to seperate into different chat rooms
 
9:26 PM
Ell is the clever one here, I see
Omnifarious, that's a pretty low level web framework! Tell me more
 
more accurately
I simply don't care if the other rooms are empty
 
@Omnifarious Actually, the cool guys begin a website with a new operating system.
 
Hey DeadMG, want some cheese with all that whine you got?
 
I actually just went out and bought some cheese today
delicious stuff, and it's rare to have something I both like greatly and that my stomach will still digest
 
@paulwal222 Well, it's often possible to start streaming back a response when you only know the first few bytes of the request. If you can construct frames directly for the Ethernet card you can start that process immediately. It's very fast, especially for 404 messages based on directories your web-app doesn't even have. You can nip that right in the bud.
 
9:29 PM
Enough of that, DeadMG. Take it to the chat room specifically designated for discussions about cheese.
 
@paulwal222 Hey, you're the one who brought up cheese!
 
Yeah, but I don't care!
Alright, fine you guys win. What do you wanna talk about, pointers?
 
Anyway, I really like the new unicorn shaped personal assistant that SO has today.
 
yes, actually
I wish to suggest the pointer which is the room topic
except replace "C" with "insert random technology here"
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Not the room in which to ask random <insert technology here> questions. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
obviously shoulda been less specific
 
Ell
@paulwal222 what did you want to talk about?
 
9:34 PM
Web application frameworks
!
Wt (pronounced as witty) is a C++ library for developing web applications.
 
congratulations?
 
Hope it helps!
 
Ell
quit arguing guys :L
 
it's ok, I'm quite familiar with it
here, let me show you
1 message moved to bin
 
@paulwal222 Why using new instead of move?
 
9:38 PM
@paulwal222 Looking at the docs, looks like it makes heavy use of non-owning pointers.
 
What happens if you put a pointer to a stack object to addWidget?
 
It's not mine, I just came across it
 
ok
 
@cooky451 Seems like it takes an approach similar to Qt's "the parent widget owns the children", so doing that will cause double destructions (at best) if the parent lives longer than that stack frame.
 
9:42 PM
Yeah.. probably. Not the prettiest thing one can do, with now having move semantics I'd definitely avoid expecting a pointer at addWidget(), as would probably everyone else who has taken a look at C++11
 
what you guys chattin' about?
are you winding up the puppy again?
 
> When inserting a widget in the widget hierarchy, ownership is transferred to its parent in the tree. Thus, when deleting a widget, all of its children are deleted as well, significantly reducing the burden of memory management related to widgets.
 
@TonyTheLion Yes.
 
damn them for winding up the puppy
 
The best way to significantly reduce the burden of memory management is to not cause it in the first place.
 
9:44 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes funny how you sometimes just have to state the obvious :P
 
eh
I've been pretty restrained this time
 
ARgrhg. I can't find a way to save my fortress.
 
but it's just getting worse
 
oh wow, unusual
I know, this room is turning into a dumping ground
perhaps we should turn on the restricted mode
 
I think that
yeah, I was just about to suggest that
 
9:45 PM
it seems we attract a lot of non C++ people because we're so active
there's nothing wrong with it, until they come here just to ask random questions, and if they don't get an answer, keep asking or leave and never return
they never become part of the community in this room
which is quite a tight one, among regulars, I would say
 
well, that's just the thing
 
Ell
...am I a regular?
 
I come here to chat with the other regulars
 
yea
that's what I mainly come here for
 
and I don't want to make the place unfriendly... but I also do not want to see random questions in here that should go in another room that are here just because we're active
 
9:47 PM
because they have similar interests programming wise, and got to know them enough to chat with just for lulz
 
hey guys, can anyone help me edit an html file?
 
like that
 
I'm trying to get the text to flash
 
9:48 PM
DOES THIS ROOM LOOK LIKE A HTML ROOM???
 
go have fun
 
Go away!!!
 
lol
 
Ell
:L
 
C++ != HTML
 
9:48 PM
People. Sarcasm detectors.
 
mine is off
 
not really functional right now
 
Crank 'em up to 11.
 
it's April Fools, I don't have one on this very day
 
Well, that's because you should assume nothing is true and everything is annoying.
 
9:49 PM
I do, and then people complain that I'm always so negative
:D
 
Ell
haha
 
@DeadMG <InsertAppropriateTropeHere>
 
> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes The problem with UI frameworks is that they're usually built on dynamic dispatch.
 
Ell
9:51 PM
:L
 
what's the :L thing?
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus what do you mean?
 
@TonyTheLion hehe
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion I don't know to be honest, its like a non-suggestive form of ":P"
 
9:52 PM
@CatPlusPlus I prefer the std::function approach myself
 
@Ell :L
 
@Ell There's usually widget base class/interface or somesuch.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion I would usually associate :P with some sexual suggestion
 
meh, widget
 
9:52 PM
And you can compose widgets together.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I purposely did not post an actual link... damn you
 
Ell
why is that a problem though?
 
@Ell don't mention sex when I'm around, this conversation might turn ugly :P
 
Btw, TVTropes April Fools' "joke" seems to be "Somewhere on Earth it is April first." at the top. (and maybe something else. I urge you to check it out :P)
 
The problem is you can't just use values, you need a view that's a pointer or reference.
 
Ell
9:53 PM
@TonyTheLion oh god you use the suggestive licky face
 
Ell
brb guys
 
So Qt goes with stealing your pointers for itself.
 
let it steal your pointers, you don't need them anways, pointing is rude
@RMartinhoFernandes NO.
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, that.
I'm not sure I'd like that desktop-like approach on a web thingy.
In fact, I know that I don't like that approach. I've had to mess with it before, and I was even on a language with garbage collection. It still sucked. ASP.NET, I'm looking at you.
 
9:59 PM
anyone know where I would go to look at Windows XP patch notes? My computer logged in about 60x faster than normal this morning
 
Meh, any approach to web thingies will suck at the end.
 

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