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12:00 PM
@gnzlbg: Under the hood, HPX actually does very few things implicitly. Mostly juts thread scheduling
github.com/brycelelbach/tridiagonal_solve_benchmarks/blob/… <- btw this is the proper way to vectorize a kernel in C++
 
@blelbach but that is SMP
like, if one is used to TBB or OpenMP or CUDA one is used to some level of magic in thread scheduling
and to some level of configuration in terms of affinity
 
@gnzlbg Yep. We don't do a lot of implicit stuff for distributed communication
 
and number of threads and what not
 
We create a gloal address space
The global address spcae does do some stuff
@gnzlbg: Some of Hartmut's talks are good for learning the details
Or just go on irc and chat with people, that's the best way
 
but does the global address space allow you to access any memory from any locality?
 
12:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OCUEgSNIAY
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xyztU__yys are good
 
sounds like a good way to shoot yourself in the foot performance wise
 
@gnzlbg You're not going to access memory.
Because you'll send work to data.
 
but it also sounds like a blessing, not having to compute local and global "indices" or "offsets"
 
@gnzlbg HPX's address space is not a memory address space. It's an object space
 
@blelbach but some work might be, access this memory in this stencil, but some memory is in one locality and some on another
 
12:03 PM
the only things that are globally accessible are classes that you, the programmer, has explicitly made globally accessible
@gnzlbg Right, but in that case, you would have had to explicitly exposed that functionality.
 
in MPI you exchange this memory all at once before needing it (the whole halo "idiom" so to speak), and then do the work localiy
@blelbach gonna check harmuts videos
 
@gnzlbg Right, HPX can do halo-type exchanges, it's a pretty common pattern. We do do them a little different.
 
@blelbach that's basically the only part that still hasn't clicked I guess in my head
 
@gnzlbg Hang on, I have slides on that
 
i am not sure about living with 128bit identifiers, but I certainly cannot live without controlling which halos get exchanged when and between which domains
like the only trick to scaling with MPI is "do only point-to-point communications with a small set of neighbors close to each locality in the super computer"
 
12:06 PM
@gnzlbg Again, nothing happens implicitly.
128bit identifiers are only used for objects that are explicitly global
You still have to explicitly do the halo exchange and control which things get exchanged were
 
but say you have an octree for amr and want to distribute it, would you give each octree node a 128bit identifier?
 
@gnzlbg Maybe. That would probably be too fine-grain
 
or i guess in other words would you put the whole octree in global accessible memory?
 
depends on the octree size
 
i can see how that would make it easy to do AMR
 
12:08 PM
I actually used to explicitly work on block-octree amr, lemme see if I can find this slide deck
 
ok :)
this is really interesting, finally being able to ask questions about hpx :D
 
@gnzlbg There's almost always one of us available on IRC, too.
 
nwp
@gnzlbg you could ask each one on SO and get shut down for sock-puppeting
 
what is sock puppeting
 
nwp
when you make 2 accounts and vote your own stuff up with the other account
you can also do it a bit more sophisticated, but that's the basic idea
 
12:11 PM
@nwp ... Why?
 
@blelbach ...to get more fake internet points
 
@Griwes ... I don't understand.
 
nwp
why would one go through the trouble for fake internet points or why would you be affected?
 
The former
 
@blelbach Higher rep = more privileges.
 
12:12 PM
@blelbach it's deep in human psyche
 
That's stupid, but I assume there is some cap.
 
we want to feel valued
 
And also wanting to have more points without having to work for them.
 
nwp
yeah, and it looks good on a resume and you can close people's stuff and feel empowered
 
@blelbach Effectively it's very high. The delete votes grow linearly with rep
 
12:13 PM
Welcome to the gamified world of Jeff Atwood.
 
i think i should write a small quadtree code using hpx and just give it a try
 
gamification is cool
 
@nwp I do value community stuff, I tend to value code (e.g. github) more
My primary criterion for hiring is "what verifiable code have you written". Maybe that's just me, though.
 
@blelbach where are you working and when are you hiring haha
 
@gnzlbg Don't get your hopes too high, he just failed to get me hired, so there's that :P
 
nwp
12:16 PM
@blelbach I heard people just clone a bunch of stuffs on github to look good, possibly with a tiny contribution such as adding themselves to the contributor list
 
@griwes: Hey I tried.
 
@blelbach :P
 
@Griwes did that happen? :D
 
@griwes: We did not have money.
 
Btw, looks like Nvidia also has that silly internal policy.
 
12:16 PM
@gnzlbg: I work for the US Department of Energy.
@griwes: Huh? Elaborate.
 
@blelbach that does not correlate with lack of money :D
 
@gnzlbg ?
 
just kidding :P
 
@blelbach Of not hiring recent graduates as interns, basically.
 
Ah.
 
12:17 PM
@Griwes who would want to be an intern anyway
 
i always wondered, are the teams there international, or is it mostly US only?
 
I might just wait until the next recruitment season and submit an application to LSU or whatever.
 
the "recent graduate" BS is also BS
 
We have money, but my research group may not have money to hire people arbitrarily.
 
i expect the DOE to have pretty strict requirements in terms of visas and what not
 
12:18 PM
@Griwes I think this is your best option
 
@blelbach i know what you meant, i was just joking :P
 
@Griwes If we get you back under student status we can intern you at LBL
 
cue microsoft asking me to apply to them because i might be a "recent graduate"
laffo.
 
@Griwes Reality is unless you're Louis Dionne, the internships are a huge help
And sadly you and I are not Louis
 
Ven
rekt by unlouising
 
12:19 PM
@blelbach Eh, troublesome (and would probably look weird on the resume afterwards) ;P
 
Ven
a-louising problems
 
@griwes and I just do a different kind of programming
 
@blelbach Louis is overhyped :P
 
Template metaprogramming and functional programming is sexier than systems programming.
@Griwes ^ See above for explanation.
 
@Griwes well he is a nice guy and knows his stuff
 
12:20 PM
@blelbach how the hell can you put both in one sentence is stunning
 
Hey, I'm a metaprogrammer :P
 
Ven
I'm a generic programmer
I do the kind of shit everyone does
 
@Griwes IOW you don't write programs?
 
@blelbach Brace for Bartek impact.
 
nwp
static analysers might count as meta programs
 
12:21 PM
FP is about writing correct programs. Meta-P is about wanking about correct programs.
@nwp not really, no.
 
@blelbach are the teams there international or mostly US?
 
@Griwes So am I. My point is that people who tend to be "rock stars" are those who are conceptually pure. You and I write different types of codes.
 
I mean, would it be hard to apply for an EU member?
 
@gnzlbg My team is like two white-male-americans, a few first-general americans, some foreigners
 
@blelbach I think that "Louis is overhyped" summed it up pretty well, but eh.
 
12:22 PM
@blelbach i don't know many of those, louis, eric and casey carter are probably the only ones, not even sean parent or stepanov,
 
nwp
@blelbach are these really the categories you think in when describing your team?
 
@nwp When someone asks me if my teams are mostly international or mostly US, then yes.
 
@blelbach did the foreigners have a lot of administrative trouble or is the process smooth (in case you know)
 
nwp
ah, reply to the EU member thing, I missed that
 
@gnzlbg My research lab does not do secured research.
So less of a problem for us.
One of my team members is an Iranian, for example
 
12:23 PM
@nwp i was asking him because in some fields it is not easy to get a visa if you are a foreigner
 
He would not be able to work at one of the weapons labs
 
@blelbach these guys get the most trouble so if that worked out I can have hope :D
 
But for my facility, it's much easier.
 
@blelbach Do you think that an internship at LBL would add a lot over 2,5 years at Nokia? (I expect the answer to be "yes", but still... :P)
 
user1804599
@Ven I'm a rectum programmer.
 
12:24 PM
To be frank - unless you are a Chinese national you would be unlikely to ave trouble.
@Griwes Do you want to be working at Nokia, or working at somewhere in the US?
 
user1804599
To be frank must feel like sinatra.
 
@Griwes It will be much easier for us to get you an internship if you're a student.
If the end game is get you into the states
 
@blelbach Well frankly I do not really want to work as a developer, and yes, the States would be the end goal, at least for now.
 
Ven
extradition of the griwes
 
@Griwes You want to do research stuff, yes?
 
Ven
12:26 PM
he wants to write C++ papers
 
@blelbach Yeah.
 
Ven
in academia
 
@Ven ...not necessarily, but eh.
 
@Griwes Yup. That's the challenging part. It's hard to break in without a PhD
 
Ven
:D
 
12:27 PM
I was the exception to that rule, but I'm a pro at networking and I planned out most of this while still a student. We can probably do similar stuff for you.
 
@blelbach Well you got one fore your conference badumtss
 
:p
Being the C++ godfather helps
@Griwes Did you ever speak to Hartmut about doing a masters?
 
this nonsense is one of the reasons I'm not looking at research now
 
@blelbach No, only about the Ste||ar internship thing.
Though I probably mentioned the reason for that.
 
you're bellitled for not having a degree, paid poorly, and all that so that no one will care about the things you're doing
 
12:29 PM
@Griwes About coming over to there?
@BartekBanachewicz On the other hand, it's 6AM here and I don't plan on going into work until 2PM, and my boss will be 100% fine with it, because we don't have crazy product deadlines or stuff like that.
I do think i would make 3x my current salary in industry
 
@blelbach Hmm, I did mention that I'd want to do master's and PhD in the US.
 
@blelbach I don't have crazy product deadlines either
 
@BartekBanachewicz But I get a fancy badge!
And a government pension
 
@blelbach did you need to pay for it yourself, given the salary cuts
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yah, we pay into the pension here.
 
12:31 PM
Microsoft Research would be a nice position but Microsoft also seems to be dead set on titles
 
But when I retire I will get something like 85% of my salary at the time I retire until I die.
 
which will still probably be way less than someone working in the industry will get
 
@Griwes Send me an email to remind me to bug Hartmut
 
i should be finishing my phd in the next year time frame, @blelbach do you have any recommendation about in which time frame to start applying for positions over there?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not in it for the money.
 
12:32 PM
like.. does the process takes a couple of months or more like half a year?
 
@gnzlbg I'd start applying right away. If you're doing AMR stuff, you should send me a resume, our numeric group may be hiring AMR postdocs.
 
@blelbach The world isn't black and white. People and jobs can't be divided into "in for the money" and "not in for the money"
You're doing useful job, you're paid more.
If you're paid less, than either you suck at negotiations or your job isn't that useful
That's the harsh truth
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think that's an accurate statement.
 
I can see why you'd think that.
 
@blelbach Either way; I'm looking at my university's recruitment dates, and if I were crazy enough to enroll just for the enrollment and then just drop it at some point, I could be admitted by 22 Jul - but I'm not sure which stage of being a student LBL would require to start thinking about this :P
 
12:34 PM
I work with the research group that got the 2011 noble prize for providing evidence that global climate change exists.
 
@BartekBanachewicz there are more stressing and less stressing jobs, with more or less free time, holidays, over time, better/worse enviroment, in more expensive or cheaper areas...
 
I'm confident that my work is important :0
 
@gnzlbg oh of course all those influence that
@blelbach the market isn't
I think there's a lot to be said about people doing research in the industry
 
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. People have reasons for going into the public sector. I'm here because I want to be, end of the day.
 
@blelbach Be warned, Bartek doesn't change his mind about the importance of salary (and not-importance of research).
 
12:36 PM
@Griwes you probably shouldn't make false assumptions about what I think about importance of salaries and research
 
@gnzlbg Anyways, send me an email if you're interested in doing research in the states on AMR/octree stuff at scale, I might be able to hook you up
balelbach@lbl.gov
 
There's a huge deal of research that doesn't nearly get enough money and is important, like Haskell development for example.
 
@Griwes If we could get you into LSU for spring sememster next year
 
But the way to get money for that isn't going around shouting "climate change haskell is important", it's taking what you create and selling it
 
you could intern at LBL next year.
 
12:38 PM
@blelbach Oh yeah, that could work. Provided I get into LSU and actually get some financial support thingy :P
 
@Griwes Hartmut is very good at that.
 
:D
sends an empty mail titled "bug Hartmut"
 
@blelbach thanks, once I get a deadline for writing the thesis and the exam I'll send you an email, before i think its a bit pointless since it is normal for this deadlines to oscillate a bit
 
Okay I should probably go to bed.
 
:D
 
12:39 PM
I blame you for all my problems.
 
@blelbach good night!
 
@blelbach :D
 
i actually thought you just woke up
when you said 6am
 
Night. Good talking to you. Drop by #ste||ar on Freenode.
 
was wondering what the point was :D
@blelbach i will
 
12:40 PM
@griwes: 58 papers in the system
We need 140 more
 
That's... not a lot :/
 
80 20 rule
 
We'll see on Sunday.
 
peace love and C++
 
...
the brainwashing is real tho
okay I should probably commit and there's friday
 
user1804599
12:42 PM
> I think you can say everything you want.
> I think there are limits to the freedom of speech.
 
user1804599
this guy is a gem of sadness and hilarity
 
who is this?
 
user1804599
Peter R. de Vries
 
user1804599
former detective, now national moron
 
user1804599
@Ven found a fix for my partial functions in my type checker
 
user1804599
12:48 PM
they require the input to be well-typed
 
user1804599
I can fix it by making the type checking function act as a smart constructor :P
 
user1804599
limiting the domain to well-typed expressions
 
user1804599
module Check ( WellTyped, check, exprType ) where
data WellTyped = WellTyped -- abstract
check :: Expr a -> Maybe (Expr (T, WellTyped))
exprType :: Expr (T, WellTyped) -> T -- now this is total outside this module!
 
purchasing 32 GB Ram sounds overkill for development machine. though I bought one due to 30 USD cost difference vs 16GB ram...
*(CORSAIR Vengeance LPX)
 
@ProblemSlover it's really not
you want to have as much cache as possible
 
12:57 PM
@BartekBanachewicz hm. ok. the stupid thing was to buy gaming CPU (Core i7 6700k)/.. I should probably have picked 6core i7-5820k
just realized it lol
 
Ell
I have a satisfactory 8Gb
 
@Ell Well you don't run a bunch of VMs
 
Mmm, RAM.
 
I guess *
 
Ell
I only run one virtual machine to run AWR :3
 
12:59 PM
@Ell 8Gb? So... 1GB?
 
Ven
@rightfold GG
 
AWR?
 
Ell
@milleniumbug sorry, GB
I get confused between Mb, MB and MiB
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz wanna start a fire? :P
 
@Ven I am a fire myself, I don't need to start it
 
Ven
1:03 PM
you're pretty hot bby indeed
 
@Ell that's hardly satisfactory today sadly :/
both my machines have 8
 
Ell
it's fine for me :3
What do you fill the ram with?
 
cache?
Apps?
My web browser routinely takes 3.5-5.5GB
 
Ell
I mean specifically :V
and wow what browser do you use? :P
 
Chrome, obviously
there are no other browsers
 
1:05 PM
vOv
 
@Ell specifically I can hardly have any idea. I don't do the caching, OS does.
But roughly looking at how much data is flowing through all the applications, it's easy to see 8GB is quite little
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz lol wat
 
I mean sure probably you could fit all used apps in 4GB even.
But then it's by consequence much slower
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz right but I mean, when do you encounter a situation when you can't launch something due to not enough ram?
or w/e
 
@Ell it's not about the minimal amount of ram necessary to even load up the app at all
 
Ell
1:06 PM
right, you need a little head room
 
that was a problem like in 1992 or something
@Ell you want as much cache as you can use
 
Ell
but I mean my machine does fine even when I'm updating my system
yes, more is better ofc
 
is "fine" "works"?
 
Ell
but we're talking about satisfactory right
 
Well amazing a cheap celeron also works
 
Ell
1:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what else would fine be?
 
@Ell I don't settle for inferior performance.
 
I believe 16 GB ram will become a mainstream set pretty soon.
 
If your standards are lower, I can see how you can be happy with your systems.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz do you realise that 32GB is inferior to 64GB
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Ell you want as much cache as you can use
 
1:08 PM
well it is
 
read that again
 
Well i could add 100 USD more an use that baby as the ram disk
 
of course it's better to have 64GB of RAM than 32GB, but only in principle
 
Ell
so you'll never be satisfied :P
 
in reality, the difference nowadays between 8 and 16 is much bigger than between 32 and 64 for a regular developer machine
@Ell of course. How else would the world progress?
Always demand more.
Within reason, of course.
 
Ell
1:10 PM
well saying "sadly 8GB is not satisfactory" is a silly thing to say if you'll never be satisfied :V
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nah, be a megalomaniac!
 
I have 16GB on my desktop and I don't regret uprading from 8GB.
 
Ven
you can have 3 chrome tabs now?
or is 2 your max still?
 
Especially when you consider the upgrade was like 200zł
 
Ven
... I tried to clean my screen -_-.
 
1:14 PM
@Ven Dunno, never ran Chrome there :P
 
Ven
oh :)
 
finally I have enough ram to run Internet explorer
 
Ven
I was the last one of my friends to switch to chrome when it first got released. But even when I try it nowadays, it's just a no-go.
Last time I tried to profile one of our JS apps at work, Firefox took 32gigs of RAM. Totally unusable.
 
@Ell 16GB is much more closer to satisfactory than 8GB though, for not much of a price increase
 
1:16 PM
if only for the peace of mind of not having to control that stupid ram meter
 
Ven
you're here for me :v
 
I'm here for me too, now I've posted. :\
alas, my time invisible was all too short u_u
 
Ven
it was fun while you weren't there :[
 
you know I'm reading about uber battle in Poland
and it makes me want to get a gun license more and more
 
user1804599
fapfapfap
 
1:26 PM
TL;DR taxi drivers are forcibly stopping Uber drivers, saying they have a legal right to do so because the Uber drivers are commiting an alleged crime
they are obviously wrong, and their actions aren't lawful.
 
user1804599
 
Ven
COBOL HYPE
 
user1804599
I LIKE COBOL A LOT
 
user1804599
IT IS A FUN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE
 
Seriously, sometimes the "too broad" question closure reasons seems like total bullshit.
 
1:33 PM
@wilx why? If it can't be answered succintly, you'd only invite discourse
SO is not a place for that.
it's for questions that have definitive answers
 
user1804599
Ada Lovelace came up with static single assignment form to analyze someone's shitty program and explained SSA in a translator's note in 1843
 
shit it's 3pm and i still havent commited
 
@rightfold VBA looks quite similar
 
Shit it's almost 4pm and I didn't do anything productive today.
 
BD rip of Zootopia is already available on torrent. downloadding!
 
1:51 PM
@Griwes so day like every day
@ProblemSlover you know that's immoral and probably illegal right
 
@BartekBanachewicz Immoral?
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's why I use vpn 24/7
 
@ProblemSlover I am sure than when you rob your neighbours house you also cover your face
doesn't make you any more of a person in my view
 
@BartekBanachewicz don't touch my neighbours :P
 
I've no idea what that was supposed to mean
 
1:56 PM
@BartekBanachewicz me either , why you want to talk about my neighbours
 
@ProblemSlover to illustrate how irrelevant your use of VPN is
with regard to what I said
 
user1804599
COBOL McCOBOLFace
 
@BartekBanachewicz well. then. I just wanted to make a shift of moral things
 
and you failed
 
Ven
@rightfold some people are good.
 
2:01 PM
... @BartekBanachewicz well I wish I were like Trump in this matter.
 
@ProblemSlover this is a 20 minute interview. I am not going to watch the whole thing
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oops
 
Ueh I need a better tool than Meld
someone recommend something
 
Ven
twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2b/v/66349969 Has vs Happy. absolutely insane
 
user1804599
> Eagles of Death Metal banned from rock festival due to islamophobia
 
2:15 PM
I COMMITED
yay
 
in C#, 1 min ago, by Feeds
TheLostMind has frozen this room.
 
lolwut
 
who is this lost mind guy
 
aptly named maybe
only skimmed the transcript, saw nothing
 
2:23 PM
and all c# guys will come here :P
 
@ProblemSlover no, they came to the js room isntead
 
that's why the room is frozen
 
I love stackoverflow chats, every chat knows every other chats drama
 
@ProblemSlover no, they are afraid of this room
 
nwp
2:31 PM
woo, just got 32 GB of RAM
 
"get out your paninis everyone..." No wonder it got frozen
 
nwp
first boot after that took like 5 extra seconds and the keyboard didn't work anymore because somehow the cable thingy came loose
 
@nwp I got it today too
 
nwp
even though hardware stuff is pretty straightforward it is still scary
 
I like the speed at which my laptop boots
 
nwp
2:33 PM
mine feels faster than it actually is
 
@ProblemSlover Isn't Panini just a brand of fruit juice?
 
nwp
it spends like 5 seconds in some bios/uefi state thing and then boots up in like a second
could be a misinterpretation though
 
what's pan in is?
 
@fredoverflow maybe , I misread
 
Ouch!
@wilx This is not 4chan or other infantile sites, please respect others. Using that attitude in the office is likely to have you receiving a verbal warning and/or dismissal. AndyTurner is correct in his comment. — t0mm13b 49 mins ago
Good that we are not in an office.
 
nwp
2:37 PM
nobody has use for a 4 GB RAM 204 pin thingy anymore right?
@wilx I'm on andy's side because you (tried to) spread a meme
 
@nwp Heh. Is that a bad thing? The sentence of the meme is the perfect answer, IMHO.
 
nwp
@wilx I would have preferred "I disagree", but you are free to post the same reply to me :D
 
Fuck em all smugs.
@nwp \o/
 
C# has been revived
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/112519/c-sanctuary
 
@ProblemSlover uh it's not
 
2:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz really? ok.
 
it's a different room
 
Well yea.
Indeed. the C# group is the dump hole.
 
nwp
they still didn't fix clang :(
@ProblemSlover I expect they say the same about us, but too lazy to check
waaaait
 
the group where trolls are flourishing
 
nwp
@nwp I think I am just dumb and it is actually my fault
 
ok. gonna do some machine learning stuff with python
It's really fun
 

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