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13:00
@Ell unless you can actually prove that the information can be misused against you with a significant probability causing you measurable losses, it's paranoia.
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but yes, I don't have an overview of all my spendings
Ell
Ell
I bet you think edward snowden is a terrorist right
I don't think anything about edward snowden
Ven
Ven
he really is
too smokin' a body
I know that his opinions are controversial
13:01
Well, his refuge in Russia isn't really a thing that makes me extremely supportive for him...
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Didn't we make up that meaning for it?
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@Griwes what would you have done? Get executed?
@Xeo I don't think so, I think he did
@nwp There's a few countries without extradition treaties with the US.
> W wielu krajach odmówiono mu azylu.
I don't think he was really in a position to choose
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nwp
13:03
@Griwes so which country would you have picked and why is it better than russia?
Switzerland?
@BartekBanachewicz He could've done stuff in a different order, right?
@Griwes then he would have no grounds to ask for asylum
Singapore rocks!
where is edward snowden nowadays?
13:05
singapore also has a treaty with the us
Maledives don't, though
@BartekBanachewicz Do you need to ask for asylum when a given country doesn't actually have an extradition treaty? It's not like there wasn't a lot of planning put into all that.
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Hm, earliest transcript instance is this one.
Shanghai then :P
> Vatican
:D
13:06
Dec 8 '12 at 7:08, by ThePhD
@Rapptz The username is Derpstorm, actually.
Xeo
Xeo
Hm, oh well
Jan 22 '13 at 18:34, by Rapptz
I never got to tell you this but The Phantom Derpstorm is by far one of the worst name I've seen online.
also this :D
> Title Rector of the University of Glasgow
wait what
Snowden.
13:11
maybe honorary or somethg
> India
> close tab
> The Lord Rector (more commonly known just as the Rector) of the University of Glasgow is one of the most senior posts within that institution, elected every three years by students. The theoretical role of the Rector is to represent students to the senior management of the University and raise issues which concern them. In order to achieve this, the Rector is the statutory chair of the Court, the governing body of the University.
oh wait I actually did read that in polish infosec news
Doesn't exactly seem honorary only.
Ell
Ell
13:12
what the hellll
@Griwes lelwut
Ell
Ell
it's happening again
haskell is sceeerewing up my funtoo :(
what?
@Ven also he should have outright demanded money for that
@Nican I got a mail from rackspace that there was an issue with the machine my vm is running on. Some time later I got a mail again saying that the issue was fixed.
the fact that they didn't pay him is horrendous
he could've stolen potentially millions
13:17
@rightfold Conditional operator works!
Ven
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz "hire me as a consultant" is the line
    @Test fun conditionalChained() {
        run("""
int signum(int x)
{
    return x < 0 ? -1 : x > 0 ? +1 : +-0;
}                                 // ^^ LOL

int main()
{
    assert signum(-42) == -1;
    assert signum(000) == 00;
    assert signum(+42) == +1;
    return 0;
}
""")
    }
Ven
Ven
@fredoverflow fail. rekt by SO
@Ven no, just give him a million dollars and pray he doesn't reveal the bank's name
> G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 RAM to be sold in 5 colour combinations
I like how the "PC master race" zealots complain about PS4 being silly and then buy ram that matches the colour of their pcs
seriously, RAM. In colour combinations.
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I think pcmr can be split into two camps
the people who like pc building for the sake of pc building
and the people that like pc gaming for it's benefits over console gaming
13:24
you forgot the third category, plain idiots
@BartekBanachewicz I've had so many problems with RAM compatibility in the past that I decided to stay with run-of-the-mill, non-gamer, non-overclocked value ram.
I think it's Kingston, but I'm not even sure. I've had it for several years now, and it has never caused me problems.
@fredoverflow I have high-end RAM that misbehaves as well so yeah
I'll probably just buy something regular next time
Ell
Ell
Idk what I have
kingston also I think
but then again I would really like to avoid having to build another PC
I just want the processing power w/o all the hassle
maybe I'll get a Mac Pro or something
pity there are no rackmount GPUs (for regular people)
NAC Pro. oh. no
13:27
I'd totally buy a 19" with 1U for mobo/CPU/RAM, 1U for GPUs and 1U for storage
it'd look amazing and perform amazingly
but yeah no WATERCOOLING LEDS LOGOS GAMING MODE
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz can't you just upgrade your current one?
@Ell I'd need to effectively upgrade every single component except the case
Ell
Ell
ah right
this looks great
Ell
Ell
holy jeesis the mac pro is expensive
13:30
yeah it is
Ell
Ell
how come you want rackmount stuff?
I'd like to have split stuff
rackmount just makes it neat and tidy
bye amazon
Ell
Ell
the mac pro is opposite of split, surely?
yeah. It's a different end of spectrum
I like high-end gear :)
Ell
Ell
13:33
I don't really get what you mean by split stuff
@Ell The most idiotic part about the current PC design is a huge GPU putting stress on the mobo downwards
it's hard to cable, hard to cool, hard to clean up
Ell
Ell
Well, you can just orient it in the same way that the pc is oriented in that photo
this just removes part of the problem
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Ell
btw have you heard of the compulab airtops?
I'd ideally have GPUs be a separately cooled unit that can be easily replaced, attached, duplicated, whatever
Ell
Ell
13:35
they look great
> no fans at all
> closes tab
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Ell
why? :P
because it's not efficient enough
watercooling is nice, but it's a pain to set up
Ell
Ell
not efficient? surely not running a fan is more efficient than running one
or a watercooling pump
@Ell what
I mean cooling-wise
you simply won't be able to cool fast enough without fans
you're taking 600W of power in. Where do you think all of this goes? Into blinking leds?
Ell
Ell
13:37
it can dissipate 200W of power
well that's nice on its own and laughable for any actual modern PC
Ell
Ell
Well not really
my friend has a watercooled case and it works really well
but the cooling itself cost a good few hundred €
Ell
Ell
what gpu do you have at the minute? and cpu?
3770k and 670
the CPU has a cheap-o Zalman, the 670 is Gigabyte Windforce
13:40
@BartekBanachewicz almost the same build ,. omg
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I mean this thing can run a gtx 950
maybe not 670
I'd deffo consider buying it
@Ell "run" != "run for a few hours under load"
this is a misconception most laptop buyers have
(yours truly included :/)
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Ell
okay, this thing can run a gtx 950 for a few hours under load
there you go :P
I suppose that's cool, but nowadays I'd get a GTX1080
Ell
Ell
I didn't know you were a big gamer
13:43
GTX 1080 +10000
@Ell iff I were upgrading, I'd want 3x4K, @120 most probably
otherwise i hardly see any point in that
Ell
Ell
gaming on that wouldn't be possible with a 1080, surely
well then two of those vOv
Why is Phd getting through all the trouble of setting up a fake identity for... a conference talk? I don't understand.
Ell
Ell
even two I think it'd struggle
suuuurely
13:44
> 3x AMD HD 7970s
maybe
The new brawl is so much fun @BartekBanachewicz
It's coop
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gah, why is there no std::clamp or std::clip?
> Thirdly we feel that a choice of 2x Titans (3 Gb Vram Apiece) or 3x Titans (2gb Vram Apiece) would have made a far better choice with the 12k setup able to play even most games at maxed out settings.
also VR
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Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I meant two displays, sorry
oh
yeah i meant two GPUs :D
2 screens hardly makes sense for gaming.
Either 3 or 1
I would also think about an ultrawide I suppose, that sounds like a cool idea
yeah, actually I could get one of those
13:48
@BartekBanachewicz you got obsessed with the pc building like me. Only blocking of amazon account saved me of wasting so much money on pc rig
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@BartekBanachewicz why 3 screens?
Ell
Ell
also I found my new laptop if I want one
@nwp for simulators
@ProblemSlover I don't think the setup you've posted was particularly expensive
@Ell what is it?
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I don't get it... why do 2 screens make no sense but 3 do?
Ell
Ell
13:50
possibly with i5 but probably not necessary really
@nwp with 2 there's a big seam down the middle :P
@BartekBanachewicz was 1K before.. monitor + ssd.. omg
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@Ell ah, that makes sense
@Ell my friend got an X1 Yoga recently IIRC
the regular thinkpads are just soo bulky
also FHD on 13" isn't really a lot
oh, this new one looks slimmer
> Intel® Core™ i7-6500U Processor
eh, that one has a shitty GPU
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Ell
@BartekBanachewicz it's plenty for me
that laptop is p much perfect actually
13:54
you don't want a better GPU?
I think I'd only buy the X series from Lenovo
sure, they are expensive, but you pay for quality
Ell
Ell
for a laptop I'd not be doing anything gpu intensive really
Lenovo? I don't trust this brand
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I mean, watching films, perhaps playing 2d platformers would be the most demanding thing
@Ell modern 2D platformers are pretty demanding :)
@ProblemSlover what do you trust then?
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Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I don't believe that :P
can you give an example?
13:58
@BartekBanachewicz hm.. well we have talked about. brands
@Ell bastion?
or was that 3d actually
i need to go
BBL
Ell
Ell
bye :)
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@BartekBanachewicz 2D game logic with 3D graphics like SC2
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I actually tried to clone an svn repository with "git svn clone", turns out git downloads and applies every single patch and takes forever whereas "svn co" just takes a second.
Ven
Ven
;(
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and even after that "git pull" would not update to the most recent patch
I probably did something wrong
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Ell
seL4 is so cool
@EtiennedeMartel It's not that really (for me at least). For me it is that the chat isn't indexed and readable by google and the general public
I much prefer this chatroom for functionality
Ven
Ven
14:25
Seems like
void f() { }; void g() { return f(); }
is forbidden in C since C99, but allowed in C++. I only found answers about recent Ceepeepees, is there a way to check if that was allowed in C++98 as well?
Ceepeepees sounds like some sort of disease.
Ven
Ven
@nwp mmh, thanks.
StackOverflow should add an "assist" system like in FPSes, where you get bits of rep if you edited an answer and significantly changed the content.
Meh, that'd probably encourage sabotage and/or pilfering.
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hmm, significantly changing the content sounds bad
adding a new answer would be better I think
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Ven
yeah, but I found no other word to express "but not for a typo or shit"
14:34
Uh.
.... Uhhhh.
Oookay then.
what is it, pee age dee
Why does this stuff happen when I'm passed out.
Ven
Ven
@ThePhD hi.
stuff happened
how's life going?
@ThePhD Because Bryce decided to go after you at, like, 3AM of his time?
Unless he's not in California right now, but that'd surprise me :P
Either way. I don't want to use my real name not just because I'm an ass, but for security reasons. There's a very good reason my address is impounded by the state and why I have been granted the legal right to change my name once I finish college.
14:38
Doesn't change the fact that at the very least the conference organizers need to know your actual name for actual legal reasons.
They weren't asking about a plane ticket. They were asking what goes in the Bio and in the CppCon pamphlet/brochure/program.
@ThePhD Hey you <3
If they just want me to find a more "real" name, sure. I can do that. But I'm not going to publish by my real name ever in my lifetime.
5 hours ago, by blelbach
AKA I need to make sure everyone isn't an axe murderer
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@ThePhD that sounds reasonable to me. Just give them what they are asking for. "My Bio: I am a secret agent with experience in C++ who must not reveal his identity for national security reasons"
Ell
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14:41
inb4 @ThePhD is Adolf Hitler
@ThePhD Wait, can't you just change your name at any point?
5 hours ago, by blelbach
@Ven: If @ThePhD wanted to do that, I'd be fine with it, although his public pseudonym for the event will have to be something less... pseudonymy than it currently is.
These are basically the key points of all that.
Guess I'm just going to submit the name "Joe Brown" or something.
For public? Yeah, whatever really - or send whatever you want to change it to at some point.
I don't think they'd accept the name "Fluffy" either, because that's one of the very real possibilities of what my name would be. So. :B
Ven
Ven
@Griwes yes, he can certainly thank me for my great questions... :P
14:45
@Ven \o/
@ThePhD As long as its not Fluffy McFluffface
Ven
Ven
@ThePhD that'd shorten said lifetime
@Borgleader lol
Phd McPhdFace
What was his e-mail...? lbl.gov something something...
@ThePhD Again - why do you need to be "granted" the right to change your name? Isn't anybody anywhere basically allowed to change his name at any given point?
5 hours ago, by blelbach
@ThePhD: Send me an email, [email protected], or find me on here tomorrow.
14:48
@BartekBanachewicz Thanks for helping me out here, wanker.
Also newsflash: he works for the American govt :P
supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Aliases <-- bunch of fake names to choose from
Ven
Ven
@Griwes it's usually a lot of paperwork, and it costs money (legal fees for all the documents that have to be updated).
maybe derpstorm is in a witness protection program, whonose
Ell
Ell
eh
is freenode down? o.O
@Ven That limitation on that offer doesn't make too much sense though, /methinks
@Ell Works from inside - maybe the gateway is dead?
Ven
Ven
14:51
@Griwes no clue. I don't really care either way. I don't side with people
Ell
Ell
No idea :S
I can't connect anyway
Ven
Ven
I only side with cats, because they're assholes, and so am I.
@Griwes Before you legally change your name you have to prove that you're not doing it to dodge problems or avoid debt related to the gov't or any other legal matters. I went through that whole process with my family, and were granted the right to do so (without being charged the nominal fees, because poor).
Ell
Ell
and now it works
that was weird
Ven
Ven
Nobody expects the DerpStorm inquisition.
14:54
@ThePhD The "once I finish college" part still doesn't seem to make much sense.
Ven
Ven
he's getting a facelift as well
"So ugly even a lounger's mother couldn't love that face"
(and boy, lounger's mothers are very used to uglies)
@Griwes To be sure it's not used to escape debt from school, school is allowed to use my name to advertise things (thankfully I'm doing so poorly they don't care etc.).
My real name is only in a very slim handful of places, and I'm already slowly culling them out.
Barely a page of google search results left.
Ven
Ven
must be hard, named Henri TheDerpStorm, in this day and age
There's only 2 results about me in the ~5 google pages I browsed, my linkedin (duh), and my graduation thing.
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