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12:05 AM
@Morwenn night <3
 
12:41 AM
it's alive!
 
Dr Frankenstein, is that you?
(moment of anxiety, did i get that wrong? was it the monsters name? inb4 bashing)
 
 
1 hour later…
1:49 AM
@Borgleader Yes. I created a monster
 
2:16 AM
@VeronikaPrüssels I’ve pretty much got SAB on farm now
 
How many baubles/sec
 
i.e. I watch someone speedrun a level in 3 min and I spend 30 min trying to replicate the feat
it’s pretty clever you can spend your baubles on guild decoration materials to make a SAB-themed arena in your GH
 
2:27 AM
> A 27-year-old man was shot five times in the buttocks as he stood on the sidewalk
 
must have been trick shots
 
ça va lui faire un paquet de trous de balle
 
 
1 hour later…
3:53 AM
chirrup chirrup, etc.
 
Huh
 
4:12 AM
This is booty.
I guess I have to just take a function as the return.
 
define 'booty' please
is it a relative of the totally radical "bootylicious", man?
 
Pfff.
 
because that would be pretty ziggy mang
 
No, it's closer to "this is ass", which is much like saying "This is garbo", which is another way of saying "This is garbage.", which is the antithesis of all the things that are cool beans, mac daddy.
 
ah. that is neither chill nor delicious at all
 
4:25 AM
@набиячлэвэлиь Of course I'm around.
Sometimes.
Mostly on Discord.
 
@jaggedSpire "delicious"? That was a term used?
 
@ThePhD I do not know the slang of those uncool previous decades, fellow kid
merely the ultra-gonzo present rendition of the language
which is pretty whack amirite
 
 
2 hours later…
6:34 AM
Blurg.
 
@ThePhD you ruined it! I was waiting for it to turn into "3 hours later..."
 
Rough. Sorry.
 
lol.. you did it at the last minute
 
7:10 AM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Mar 21 at 9:45, by Telkitty
What if ... 2 trolls wrote the first version of the stackoverflow?
I told you so ...
also some trolls can't stand competition
why do you think I was treated so bad?
 
7:21 AM
Hi, All,
anyone C developer here ?
I need assistance in some code for compression and decompression .. can anyone help please?
 
do you need glasses?
can you not see the ++ behind C?
 
yes i can see brother...
 
user1804599
Please don't call women "brother".
 
user1804599
(Or anyone but actual brothers, for that matter.)
 
7:25 AM
whatever,,, :)
 
sure, I candownvote for you
 
aawwww!!!
 
user1804599
-1 wall of code.
 
th
thanks
 
user1804599
@sehe IRTA "it's case-sensitive" lol
 
7:30 AM
hahaha... so no one here to help :(
 
oh, have another one
 
user1804599
Why would you expect people in a C++ chat room to be willing to help people with C problems?
 
@saqibjavaid you can't open a question, post the whole library code in there then go like "What we want to achieve is ..", on stack overflow you ask specific technical questions to understand, not request others to do something for you.
 
user1804599
Maybe I should finally install sudo on my work PC.
 
7:40 AM
@saqibjavaid if you want to understand how SCZ works, first start by reading the page on how it works first
@saqibjavaid then you can read the files scz_compress.c and scz_decompress.c to see how it's used properly, check here
 
Those two are the profiles for the same user, crook! profile 1, profile 2
 
Ven
yo
 
@Ven what's up
 
Ven
@Telkitty you liar
 
Did you wake up in Castle Oblivion yet?
 
Ven
7:48 AM
I woke up at work. worse
 
@Telkitty I just clicked "view network profile.." and it shows Hubert!
 
Ven
@Zoidberg ew not using rebar
 
precisely what I meant ...
 
cheeky bastard!
 
I am so confused
 
Ven
7:52 AM
@VeronikaPrüssels cmon bro
 
with a cliche European stockimage business woman!
 
I think we can get back to the question at hand, i understand that I should not have posted "Wall of Code" but when I asked initial question I was asked to ask specific question.
My only need to some real guidance, if any one can offer that would be great
Also do not downvote any question only because you fail to understand or don't have the time to read it.
It is place for newbie like me to get some answers, so if you treat me like someone who knows his stuff then I wouldn't be asking any question here.
 
You don't understand
Like most people who are new to SO
 
Ven
wow
 
8:07 AM
@saqibjavaid do you like people come from the street into your company and tell you how your company should work? things doesn't work that way.
 
Ven
we have like 6 classes inheriting std::vector in the codebase
 
@saqibjavaid I gave you a good advice, did you read it, did you understand it, did you try to go through it?
 
@Ven why?
 
Ven
so that the interface is exposed, I guess..?
 
@Ven good
now make more
 
Ven
8:17 AM
y u do dis vernike
 
I bring balance to this world
 
What up gangstaz?
 
hey
 
Sup @slaphappy
 
8:32 AM
nm
did you have any news
 
yes, hacker ones
 
 
user1804599
Yummy, fish.
 
user1804599
@Ven rebar sucks
 
@slaphappy Henri is supposed to call me this am around 5
 
user1804599
8:34 AM
erlang.mk is all the rage
 
user1804599
GNU Make is underrated.
 
Ven
@Zoidberg less than erlangmk
 
user1804599
Why?
 
@Rerito J'henri d'avance !
 
mercy
 
8:41 AM
@VeronikaPrüssels B4t4r
I've no clue where I'll end up if the money doesn't get back on the table tho
 
Ven
@Zoidberg it's just insane
 
I know a guy who needs video compression programmers for his startup if you're interested
 
I'll figure out shit with Henri
Since they were eager to hire me in the first place (whether or not I land the gig at your place) I think they can get me smth quite easily
Just hoping it won't be a shithole
@slaphappy Video compression?
 
he wants to be make big video smaller, there, explained
 
you know, if they're that eager to have you in it's for a reason :P
 
8:47 AM
how is video compression different from normal data compression?
 
@Rerito yeah. it's a company that makes shield-like setups for video games on demand for hostels, boats etc
 
you know, compression technology is not new ... :P
 
@Telkitty it's lossy
 
@slaphappy I got fist fucked on the wage, it's what you mean I suppose :p
 
@Rerito :P
 
8:49 AM
if it's cheap, you should not expect high quality :p
 
Ven
telkitty knows
 
@slaphappy I bet they do some shit like PCA
 
Ven
@Rerito i do the programming on the gradur
ofc
 
@Ven Nous n'sommes qu'a une heure de la gare du Nooooord
@Telkitty It makes some assumption on the medium and the end target to get rid of the nonmeaningful information. For instance a lossy compression of the lounge transcript would filter your garbage out
 
user1804599
@Ven Please explain.
 
8:57 AM
> video compression programmers
I have a degree from the MPEG University hire me
 
Ven
@Zoidberg it's a big makefile that you need to regenerate at times, embedded in your own makefile where you'll have to add your own rules, its documentation is awful so it takes you 3 hours of googling around how to add your own files, why it doesn't generate the correct project structure in the beginning
the dependency fetching is also pretty bad, sometimes it just considers they're not good anymore and spends time re-fetching for no reason
 
user1804599
Cool, I got Dialyzer to work for the first time.
 
Ven
:o
 
user1804599
And it finds type errors.
 
@VeronikaPrüssels I'm a native expert. I'm physically compressed
 
user1804599
9:01 AM
-spec f(pid()) -> pid().
f(X) -> [].
 
Ven
@Zoidberg even more impressive!!
 
@Zoidberg wow
 
This is basically how I view C and C++, respectively. https://t.co/vZpshShIFF
Wow. That's. Subtle
 
way to make people look fat
 
way to single-issue hobby horse project
 
9:16 AM
This is how I view C and C++.
 
@slaphappy Find another chainsaw, without the safety this time :p
 
@slaphappy Huh. The chainsaw is how I'd depict java or so
 
Java is not "dangerous" IMO
 
but it is blunt, brute-force, heavy, slow to wield, makes a lot of noise. And for the clincher: IT JAMS EVERY FEW SECONDS!
 
HTML is very safe
 
9:21 AM
C++ is obviously more like one of these Swiss Army knifes, but with a deadly laser and nuclear capacities
 
I would gladly accept a better suited metaphor :P
 
you can forget many end tags and it will still run
 
that's.... part of what makes it irresponsible
 
@sehe idgi
 
Ven
@VeronikaPrüssels C is incomplete, C++ was completed by a retard
: ^)
 
9:27 AM
are you calling Bjarne Stroustrup a retard?
 
@Zoidberg will that makefile fail if there are unescaped spaces in the path?
 
Ven
@Telkitty no, the twitter guy is.
I'm just saying he's a nerd.
 
@VeronikaPrüssels it's a bad restoration attempt of something that's already dead. Context: news.artnet.com/art-world/…
@Ven All twitter guys are
 
@sehe I bet that was done by a troll
 
I bet it is time to plonk again
 
Ven
9:30 AM
who do you want to plank again?
 
Look for small icons
 
made some apple juice with 2 fresh apples, some ice & filtered water
 
qtcreator puts spaces in the path by default now D: (cmake project)
build-worldgen-Desktop_Qt_5_6_0_GCC_64bit-Release with debug info is the perfect directory name right? D:
 
Ven
oh well
 
@doug65536 it's a bad choice but not really a big deal
Just helps people think about these assumptions they make
 
9:35 AM
yeah, not a major problem... build looked totally broken for a bit
 
user1804599
@doug65536 If you have spaces in your paths then programs failing is nothing but what you deserve.
 
user1804599
Allowing spaces in paths is the biggest mistake in file system design.
 
yeah
reminds me of Documents and Settings what were they smoking???
 
Ven
lol
 
user1804599
WTB a world where file systems only allow paths that match ^/[a-zA-Z0-9_./]*$.
 
Ven
9:40 AM
a space shouldn't be so special
autotools is basically a transmissible cancer that affects open-source projects.
 
ya let's break every program that saves documents :D
 
user1804599
If you run your code on Windows then you should be punished for not running it in a Unix VM.
 
lol rightfold's opinions
 
user1804599
Good thing you are implicitly punished by not running it in a Unix VM.
 
user1804599
So the problem is its own solution!
 
9:45 AM
I have an awesome idea: have a voice recognition system that does the programming for you ... like you tell the application what you what variables that should be in the program, loops that do specific things and functions that should be present & the app will program it in the language that suits your requirement the best for you (maximize speed, minimize storage etc).
 
@doug65536 That's a good thing, if the program can't handle spaces, it's broken, period.
 
"the program" is make
 
make is broken
 
Virtual box is like skin cancer. Not much harmful in itself but gets you metastases all over your body
 
Stringly-typed piece of sick fuck
 
9:46 AM
indirectly. it probably ends up being the shell exec'ing wrong
 
or Qt generates paths in Makefiles unquoted, in this case, fuck Qt, it's broken
 
reminder that Qt still can't install to a path that contains a space in 2016
 
Reminder that Xilinx ISE still can't open projects and files that have spaces in their paths.
 
you Verilog?
ewww
nono wait, its the other one...
VHDL
 
it either should quote its paths, or use a tool that's not stringly typed (a.k.a. not Bash)
 
9:49 AM
what is wrong with verilog?
 
@ScarletAmaranth can write both Verilog and VHDL in ISE
 
Both ISE and Vivado support both.
The thing only ISE can into is schematics.
 
user1804599
VHDL is so cool.
 
hardware description languages are cool
 
9:51 AM
step #1: write an FSM
step #2: express everything with it
nightmares...
 
No currently existing HDL is sensible in any way.
They claim they have features, but then no-one supports the same subset of features...
...and some of the features work differently in different synthesizers.
It's a nightmare.
 
griwes being right for once
 
I love you too.
 
yeah, FSM's are a PITA when they should be 1st class
 
9:55 AM
Well, it's not really the FSM's that I'm primarily angry with.
You can kinda easily do them already, with enums and whatnot.
The problem is, there's no generic way to do interfaces properly.
SystemVerilog attempts to do interfaces, but that fails terribly, even more so when you want generic behavior (and God forbid if you want variadics...).
 
user1804599
Coroutines are the best FSMs.
 
user1804599
So easy to implement. So easy to use.
 
@Zoidberg memory intensive though, if stackful
they tend to eat up big blocks of address space to account for stack growth to maximum size
 
user1804599
No they don't.
 
user1804599
You are thinking of particular implementations that preallocate large stacks.
 
10:01 AM
yeah it has to allocate the max stack size of address space
 
user1804599
No it doesn't.
 
yes it does. where does it put the stack then?
 
user1804599
Proof: BEAM.
 
> it has to allocate the max stack size of address space
 
user1804599
IT CAN GROW??!?!?!?!?!?
 
10:02 AM
borderline cinch
 
ADDRESS SPACE
dude grow into where
 
into your mom
 
user1804599
It grows into malloc.
 
user1804599
Segmented stacks are a thing.
 
lol
segments have base addresses
 
user1804599
10:03 AM
It's possible. You can tell from it having been done.
 
still has to put it in address space somewhere
 
user1804599
Yes, but only when you use the memory.
 
no
 
user1804599
You don't have to allocate memory that you aren't gonna use.
 
is it ram memory
 
10:04 AM
it has to allocate ADDRESS SPACE. it doesnt necessarily assign physical pages to whole range
 
user1804599
And this is the case with stackless coroutines too.
 
user1804599
You have to allocate memory for their state.
 
user1804599
No matter what.
 
aka. "reserving"
 
user1804599
Whether the state is stored as a stack or as a struct doesn't matter.
 
10:04 AM
@doug65536 No, you're wrong
 
user1804599
It's the same amount of memory and you have to allocate it somewhere.
 
example: let's say that the min stack size is 16KB, and the max is 4MB. if you create 16 fibers (or whatever they name them in that os) then it has to reserve the whole 4MB of address space but only assigns 4 physical pages to the top 4 pages of the range, for each one
 
user1804599
Why is the min stack size 16kB?
 
user1804599
Why not 1B?
 
it is from the executable
has to be 4KB increments because physical pages
 
user1804599
10:07 AM
5 mins ago, by Zoidberg
You are thinking of particular implementations that preallocate large stacks.
 
user1804599
Erlang is a nice example of a system in which stacks start out very small. Only a few bytes.
 
It's a thing in Japan
You know what, I should probably link to it
Phallus festival (potentially nsfw)
 
It's not a well known festival inside of Japan.
 
@Zoidberg of course I am talking about typical OS like linux, windows, etc. of course everything is different everywhere
 
user1804599
There is no reason stacks have to start at page boundaries.
 
user1804599
10:09 AM
Proof: std::vector<int> x; very likely doesn't, unless you have a shitty allocator.
 
@Zoidberg but they do though, because the page fault handler has to know it is a stack
 
user1804599
???????????????????????????????????????? What the fuck are you talking about?
 
user1804599
Page fault handler doesn't give a shit about what memory is used for.
 
you are angry arent you
page fault handler can grow stack
 
user1804599
Stacks and pages are orthogonal.
 
user1804599
10:11 AM
You are again thinking of particular stack implementations.
 
user1804599
There is no requirement for stackful coroutines to use those implementations.
 
user1804599
Proof: Erlang.
 
original name
 
user1804599
Proof: my VM
 
10:12 AM
I have to set the TIB stack range when I context switch or the OS freaks out
you knew I meant cpu stack right?
what operating system?
 
user1804599
We are discussing possible implementations of stackful coroutines. I proved that there are possible implementations that don't allocate large amounts of memory for stacks.
 
@Zoidberg sure but can you make api calls and call libraries from those ?
or will some stkchk somewhere flip out
 
user1804599
I don't see why not.
 
user1804599
There's a call instruction.
 
user1804599
call_closure
 
10:18 AM
I had to update the TEB stack range in my project, else libraries that stack check will break
 
user1804599
Oh you mean C++ libraries?
 
yeah and/or os libs
 
user1804599
Well, you can, but those can of course not pause the coroutine.
 
you checked right? not assuming?
 
user1804599
But that is a limitation of the C++ implementation, not of stackful coroutines in general.
 
10:19 AM
because if you dont update the teb then you probably have your vector on the stack so it is in a valid place
in windows anyway
I never got around to porting that to linux
anyway, if you hit stack overflow problems with your coroutines in windows, you need to set _NT_TIB StackBase and StackLimit in your context switch
I was expecting you to have been using fibers, which are higher level and it takes care of stack for you
I dont even know what they call fibers in linux. user mode threads?
 
no kernel-provided equivalent
unless you count swapcontext and others
 
yeah, swapcontext
thanks
 
which is glibc and not kernel I think
and deprecated also
 
11:18 AM
yup, looks like Robby the Robot
 
11:33 AM
Free $10 Voucher!
for a hotel that cost $1010 a night
reminds me of that voucher: buy 1000 pencils & get a rubber for free
because you totally need that free rubber for the 1000 pencils you have bought
 
ugh people are so fucking terrible
 
stuck at 100
probably my phone
piece of garbage
 
there was an accident on the highway yesterday that blocked it for a few hours
apparently a car hit a motorcyclist
 
Ven
oh it's bartek
 
11:44 AM
and the comments are, of course, brilliant
 
Ven
I thought @slaphappy was talking about Bartek when he said "stuck at 100" :)
 
"because of one idiot so many have to suffer"
 
Ven
how you doin', bartek?
 
yes you had to endure a few hours in traffic, who cares someone might be dead or dying
fucking morons
 
Ven
you wouldn't like the subway in paris. when someone commits suicide, the only thing people are talking about is how late that makes 'em
 
11:45 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Hint: it's both true. You should know, look at how you're selflessly ranting
 
Ven
Complaining about car drivers is about just as easy as dissing Telkitty.
 
He didn't. He was complaining about complaining
 
@BartekBanachewicz so the car hit the motorcyclist, not the motorcycle ?
 
Ven
@sehe doesn't make my point any less true, does it?
 
The Panama Papers are a set of 11.5 million confidential documents created by the Panamanian corporate service provider Mossack Fonseca that provide detailed information on more than 214,000 offshore companies, including the identities of shareholders and directors. The acting heads of state of five countries, namely Argentina, Iceland, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine and United Arab Emirates are identified in the documents, as are government officials, close relatives and close associates of various heads of government of over 40 other countries, including China, Brazil, France, India, Malaysia, Mexico...
 
11:47 AM
@sehe stop complaining about his complaining about complaining
 
☑ rekt ☐ not rekt
 
Ven
yeah
 
@KhaledKhnifer You forgot to ask whether the passenger was handling the clutch causing it
 
@Borgleader ☑ tyrannosaurus rekt
 
Ven
We'll all passengers of our own lives!
 
11:47 AM
@Ven I find it a lot harder to complain about car drivers
 
Ven
@sehe maybe your city has nicer car drivers than paris...
@slaphappy d'ailleurs il parait que je vois tellement mal que jpourrais pas passer le permi, mdr
 
@sehe there is a scenario in which the motorcycle would turn into something like an electric chainsaw
 
@Ven Maybe I'm just not that good at complaining about pedestrian issues :)
 
@KhaledKhnifer w/e
 
Ven
(j'apprends ça après 30h)
 
11:49 AM
@sehe I was stuck in that jam as well.
 
Ven
@sehe I walk and drive, and I both hate drivers and pedestrians :D
 
@KhaledKhnifer Context:
Apr 29 '15 at 11:48, by khajvah
@BartekBanachewicz It was on neutral, and he pushed the accelerator and released it. Before the rpm went down, my stupid brain, for some unknown reason, decided to put it to drive
@BartekBanachewicz And you found a way to be morally superior! So did the others, fyi
 
Ven
that's how we get by, fwiw
 
@Ven It was a pun. (first meaning)
 
Ven
@sehe oh, TIL! thanks
 
11:51 AM
@sehe If your (someone's) concept of moral superiority (presented by "others") is based on "I'm important enough, clear off the bodies from the street so I can get through", then sincerely, fuck you (them).
 
I heard you before
Any news on the casualties?
 
what happened?
 
Browser scroll was invented
 
can't scroll now, coding overarchitecting
 
Good call.
 
11:55 AM
@Borgleader incredible
 
I'm always doing that. Not over-architecting. Over-cleaning still
 
on a ridiculous level right now
 
Nothing new :)
 
:)
It often starts when coding at night: 'wonder if this is possible to do? lets see'
 
my new wireless mouse does smooth scrolling, looks cool, but if I hold Ctrl after I'm done scrolling like a second ago in chrome, it goes to zoom the page off
 
11:58 AM
that is the default in most programs no?
 

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