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9:00 PM
now I don't know how to get it off Amazon
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah ok. Agreed then. Still I enjoyed posting that
 
they don't seem to have a "download" button
 
@DeadMG s3cmd del s3://BUCKET/OBJECT
 
sure, but then I'd have to manually download every page
 
9:01 PM
Oh.
 
@DeadMG Oh, that way: just download it off the url. If you must use point-clicky things, I guess aws.amazon.com/console is your place
 
@sehe the S3 console is where I am now
 
Not that there are a lot of pages to download manually...
 
@DeadMG In that case, wget -rc or s3sync :)
 
But yeah, wget is awesomez.
 
9:02 PM
only 1309 pages in the latest draft.

Wait, that was C++11
 
but where on earth do I type that?
 
@DeadMG commandlinez
@RMartinhoFernandes keep in mind it will only follow links, so need to have interlinked pages
 
@sehe Oh noes, you said the magic word. Now he's gonna rip your throat off or something...
@sehe I think that's the case. In fact, I think they're all linked from one root page.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Nah, he's just gonna little-girl-whine for a bit and then he'll be all back to his normal self
 
@sehe Windows says no such thing as s3sync?
 
@DeadMG erm.. install python and profit
 
right
win
ah, man, I lost a lot of work
which is, admittedly and equally my own stupid fault
 
(do note the posted zipfile download. That was 2 seconds of wget --no-parent --mirror http://www.wide-language.com/ and half a minute of getting it on my VPS server :))
 
Ell
imgur.com/i7RaE <-- isn't this matched brackets with FSM?
 
9:07 PM
@Ell No.
 
Ell
apologies if that is complete and utter gobbledeygook, i really don't know what im doing
 
@DeadMG It's crappy whiteboard art
 
@Ell One pair.
It doesn't parse ((((((0))))))
 
Ell
oh darn of course
hmm
at least it parses (123) (4829) (5.7)
 
lol
 
Ell
9:08 PM
:L anyway i have pie to eat, thanks for the help. I will come back and ponder more!
 
@Ell and 3.4.5.7(1.3)8
 
@DeadMG One of these days, you should consider learning some of that computer-foo yourself :)
 
Ell
oops forgot about the 1.2.4.5.
 
@sehe rofl
 
Cygwin has wget. Windows doesn't work without cygwin, for me.
 
9:10 PM
:)
 
web just isn't my area of speciality :P
 
@DeadMG not mine either. I do like my 'get stuff done' to be uninterrupted though, so I tend to sharpen the saw so I can cut the web-corners
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, more like, source control discipline, if you ask me
 
@sehe Heh. I knew that I wanted to move it, I just never got around to it :P
 
9:12 PM
 
@sehe Is that the rvalue reference song?
4
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Zing!
Darn, now I was trying to explain to my wife what I was laughing about
 
Haha, good luck.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I kept it at 'somebody said something really witty'... doesn't really do it justice
 
9:18 PM
I shy from telling muggles I'm a programmer precisely because there are two kinds of reply I can get: "oh, cool, can you fix my computer?" and "oh, what does that mean?". I don't know how to properly answer either of those.
2
 
roflcakes
I've been getting "can fix my computer" since I was 11, so it's nothing new to me
 
@DeadMG from muggles?
But you can't, so you're safe.
Unless wrecking owerships for a whole filesystem counts :)
 
lol
 
I fixed that problem perfectly good, you know
 
9:20 PM
@DeadMG Yeah, I really admire the way you create problems that you can fix.
 
@DeadMG Oh, man, look what I find in the "Related" column:
 
And you benefit twice, since you can moan and bitch for week, first
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Lol!
 
you think that's bad
try this
 
9:22 PM
Bin it!
 
hehehe
I actually really like it
 
@DeadMG Not bad indeed
 
> I clicked yes and the the song stopped=(!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Fruitcakes
Loony tubes
 
ARGH
 
9:24 PM
@DeadMG What, you overwrote the zip file?
 
so used to using shift and alt to select vertical blocks in Visual Studio
was so happy when the shortcut worked in Notepad++
 
@DeadMG Takes getting used to ^V in vim, yes
 
but when I tried to paste, it only pasted to one line :(
excitement: over :P
 
@DeadMG I do remember it working for whole blocks in NP++
Make sure there is enough vertical space (i.e. empty lines) to paste 'over'
 
aha
 
9:25 PM
Why bother with NP++? vim works fine on Windows.
 
you can type into multiple lines
 
Ell
back again :D
 
but you can't paste into multiple lines
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I've trolled enough
@Ell Apparently, next shift is ready
@DeadMG I've done exactly that once.
 
I just tried it
it only pasted into the top line
hmm
 
9:30 PM
Finally.... Someone noticed my answer here
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A: parsing a string to a structure of c-style character arrays

seheHere is my (now tested) idea: #include <vector> #include <string> #include <cstring> #define MAX_A 40 #define MAX_B 3 #define MAX_C 40 #define MAX_D 4 struct Foo { char a[ MAX_A ]; char b[ MAX_B ]; char c[ MAX_C ]; char d[ MAX_D ]; }; template <std::ptrdif...

 
I just allowed void f() { return { f(), f() }; } on top of void f() { return f(); }
 
well
I'm not wholly sure if that was a good idea
 
@DeadMG kind of remember doing exactly this in notepad++ for this answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/7554608/…
Sadly, don't seem to have documented it.
 
Why should it be forbidden? Quicksort does recurse into two branches.
Many tree algorithms do so too.
 
9:32 PM
that's wholly true
 
@RMartinhoFernandes hehe. I guess that's why it's nicknames Tree Recursion
 
I guess that in C++, you could always do return f(), f()
 
@DeadMG mmm.. can you do std::make_tuple(void, void)?
 
sure, it's called { void(), void() }
 
@sehe No. void is not a proper unit type.
 
9:33 PM
yeah
actually, I'm not wholly sure about that
I never really thought about it :P
 
@DeadMG nope. just tested
 
@sehe Oh, I thought you meant in Wide :P
 
@DeadMG Yeah, understandable (most often, I do refer to Wide, unless it's clearly about Python)
 
gah! I work at a phone company! these people should know how to spell "unread" (tip: it's not "un red")
 
Ell
I know this is a bit off-topic but does anyone know of a substance I can safely inject into my bloodstream?
 
9:35 PM
@Ell water?
 
@sehe Considering that I was discussing a change I just made to Wide :P
 
@Ell Saline solution.
 
@Ell why?
 
@Ell I think that's off-topic enough to be acceptable here.
 
9:35 PM
@MooingDuck You don't want pure water, it'll destroy the salt balance.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Only just
 
Ell
@DeadMG Can I add food colouring to that?
 
@sehe So it was
 
Wait, what?
 
@Ell do not put anything in your bloodstream.
 
9:36 PM
@Ell Strongly believe you found the wrong website
 
@Ell Unlikely.
 
What are you trying to do?
 
without your stomach acids and enzymes to take care of it, the chemical could have any impact
 
Ell
I guess I won't try it then :L
 
@RMartinhoFernandes unless he's trying to kill someone, that's a moot question I think
 
9:37 PM
@Ell Oh, you can try it. Once.
 
@MooingDuck Air is good enough for that, and it's available most everywhere.
 
Ell
@sehe hahaha!
@RMartinhoFernandes Just a little experiment :D
 
In places where it's not available, you don't need to inject things into people to kill them.
 
yeah, just use your massive balls psychic powers
 
So, my evil mastermind side of the brain considers air the most generally effective substance to kill someone by being injected into them.
@MooingDuck Anyway, he could be asking because he's writing a story.
 
9:40 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I didn't say the someone being killed had to be real
 
@ScottW You missed all the fun, huh
 
@ScottW Eh, I don't really like them that much
 
@MooingDuck Sure, but he could also be trying to make someone's blood look blue in a story.
 
Ell
@ScottW I love werthers originals!
 
You can try anything in a story, you're not limited to killing.
 
9:41 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm sure that I'm supposed to say something... about ... hallucinations? astral projections? holograms?
 
@DeadMG Wait, what?
...
 
@Ell I'm getting the strong feeling some companies are starting to do product placement via social sites these days
 
I'm making a reference to you insinuating that I repeatedly re-use the same story elements in my proposed plots :P
 
Oh. I don' remember the astral projections.
 
Ell
@sehe :L
 
9:43 PM
@DeadMG We don't remember any of your proposed plots, apparently
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That was the "subtle" (in a not at all kind of way) part
 
@sehe I do. Being the intended recipient, I think that's good enough :P
 
Mar 10 at 20:54, by Tony The Lion
> Whoever put the letter "b" in subtle should get a pat on the back.
@ScottW Soul validated: OK
 
@sehe Warning: liver checksum failed! Please re-install this component by running the Body™ installer again.
 
@DeadMG "please re-install" is a warning?
 
9:46 PM
Isn't the liver that body part that has superb regeneration capabilities?
 
it's also one of the least supportable
 
You could say, cut the bad chunks out and let the magic happen, no?
 
if your kidneys die, we have dialysis, and there's heart-and-lung machines, but no machine that can replace your liver, even for a short time, as far as I'm aware
@RMartinhoFernandes It can, but that assumes that there are reasonably separable good chunks and bad chunks. Also, there are limits to how much you can regenerate and keep the host body alive at the same time.
 
Oh. Meatbags are no fun.
 
lol
inorite
 
9:48 PM
@DeadMG "although liver dialysis can be used short term." --wikipedia
 
Ell
@DeadMG HepaLife is working on an artificial liver, i will google
 
@MooingDuck Orly? that's new
but tbh
the real big thing will be growing replacement organs in test tubes
why bother regenerating your liver naturally if you can just grow a new one in a lab?
and no rejection eithr#
there was a study published just like, a week ago, where stem cells were used to permanently bond the donor organ and recipient, so no anti-rejection drugs were needed after like, two weeks
 
@DeadMG invented 2004 as far as I can tell
 
Ell
but stem cell stuff is dodgy...
 
man, by the time I'm 80, I'll be replacing my organs with machine parts no problemo
@Ell Why?
 
9:50 PM
@DeadMG Good! Time to start sending criminals convicted to death to the organ banks!
And if that's not enough make minor crimes lead to the death penalty.
 
Ell
@DeadMG unknown side effects? :S No hayflick limit? Have you heard about that israeli guy who used embryonic stem cells and caused a brain tumor?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes If I was Prime Minister, I would ban non-donation of organs.
@Ell One guy does not mean anything, at all.
 
We can generate the organs from the stem cells.
 
and clinical trials on real people have very strict safety requirements
even if those people are terminally ill
 
Stuff will become weird if we can ever replace the brain with a mechanical counterpart.
 
9:52 PM
@ScottW The picture says you're a dog.
 
Ell
@DeadMG the important part is that it was because he was using embryonic stem cells, I believe. As opposed to, the other kind...
 
Also, you're missing the distinctive "R." prefix in your name.
I call bollocks on that.
 
@Ell There are many other places to find stem cells. But it's still irrelevant- one guy does not a trend set.
 
Ell
@DeadMG fair enough, I know nothing of this anyway. I fully support stem cells personally
 
me too
rule of fucking science, imo
 
9:53 PM
But, but, the monsters! Haven't you seen enough crappy movies to convince you otherwise?
 
@DeadMG How to spot a windows user. TM and 'installer'. Bet you'd require the body to reboot
 
@sehe The ™ has nothing to do with running on Windows :P
 
Ell
you dont see ^tm 's on linux though :L
 
well, I sure didn't copy it from a Windows program
I bashed random keys on the alt pad
 
@DeadMG TBH: they'll probably grow inside patients
 
Ell
9:55 PM
@ScottW what did I just do? :L
 
@sehe The TM is just a way to make clearer the fact that Body is used as a proper noun.
 
If we can learn to understand how the brain works then we can write a simulator application that, given enough CPU power, can perfectly replicate our brain. We can then remove our brains and put a computer in our skull. Or we can run it in a virtual machine and torture it.
 
You can't do that. That's our plan.
 
@sehe Nah. The problem with that is that the patient has to have the internal organ space for that, so I'm not sure how you could grow a new organ without first fatally removing the original.
 
You're in violation of copyright.
 
9:56 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I thought you were trying to keep your plan a secret?
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked at what point does it have a conscience?
 
@DeadMG If I was Rhyme Minister, I'd would use bandoneons for organs
 
@DeadMG he's going to secretly enforce the copyright
 
@Ell Dunno if there is a well-defined point where that happens.
 
9:57 PM
@DeadMG I think I've actually read about this before, but if you say 'nah', you're probably right. I'm too lazy to google it for you
 
lol
as am I, my good friend
as am I
 
@DeadMG There's plenty of internal space. You just need to know where to find it, i.e., grow livers in the torax, or something :P
 
lol
 
§1.1 Can Haz √ Dodgy™ chars just phine
§1.2 No patience
 
You call that dodgy?
This is dodgy: ⎇
 
10:01 PM
flies right by me
Of course, there can only be one epic UNICODE freak
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I also find squares dodgy :P What character is it supposed to be?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Defragment organ space
 
@sehe Defragging organs :D
 
@DeadMG An arrow dodging an obstacle.
 
@Ell ^^ see, linux+Opera trumps @DeadMG's windowsy setup
 
10:02 PM
It's called ALTERNATIVE KEY SYMBOL, but that doesn't make sense to me.
 
@sehe Hey, Chrome is supposed to do good with this stuff :(
 
@DeadMG It does. It shields you from the complex stuff
 
Ell
haha woo i can do this too ⎇⎇⎇⎇
 
@DeadMG I think Chrome doesn't fallback to other fonts.
At least it didn't back when I used it.
 
you don't use Chrome? heresy! burn the witch!
 
Ell
10:04 PM
@sehe what is ⎇ meant to be?
 
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
It's called ALTERNATIVE KEY SYMBOL, but that doesn't make sense to me.
 
nah, I'm glad that the other browser makers finally compete with Chrome in at least basic usability
 
Ell
ooooooh sorry yeah
 
although they still have security to worry about
 
If I ruled Unicode, I'd call it ARROW DODGING OBSTACLE.
 
10:05 PM
Now for good measure, test you browser:
http://مثال.إختبار/
 
Ell
I want to learn more about parsers and grammars, but when reading wikipedia I hit a wall with stuff like αAβ ⟶ αγβ and all the other symbols and stuff, how can I learn those without doing a degree? :O
 
Better: Arrow doding obstacle. What's the obsession with capitals?
 
http://مثال.آزمایشی/
 
@sehe Windows XP chrome and I see those
 
http://παράδειγμα.δοκιμή/
 
Ell
10:05 PM
@sehe works for me
 
http://उदाहरण.परीक्षा/
http://உதாரணம்.பரிட்சை/
 
Gotta love Unicode.
 
@sehe so far so good
 
http://例子.测试/
 
Ell
@sehe they all work for me! Ubuntu & firefox
 
10:06 PM
http://пример.испытание/
 
What about http://���������.��?
 
@sehe fair to guess those are all the same phrase translated to random languages using google translate?
 
Ell
@RMartinhoFernandes i get question marks for that :L
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I suspect you cheated that. What should that be?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Got translated to Punycode xn--zn7caaaaaaaa.xn--zn7ca and doesn't resolve
 
10:07 PM
@sehe none of those bacame links, should they have?
 
@MooingDuck Several � (U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER, aka question mark in black square)
 
In computing, Punycode is an instance of a general encoding syntax (Bootstring) by which a string of Unicode characters is transformed uniquely and reversibly into a smaller, restricted character set. Punycode is intended for the encoding of labels in the Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA) framework, such that these domain names may be represented in the ASCII character set allowed in the Domain Name System of the Internet. The encoding syntax is defined in IETF document RFC 3492. The IDNA methodology encodes only select label components of domain names with a procedur...
 
@MooingDuck Revolved into your face :D
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I KNEW IT
 
Ell
@RMartinhoFernandes haha lols
 
10:07 PM
@MooingDuck Let's all file bugs on SO Chat!
 
foooooood
 
@MooingDuck guessing is fair. Don't know, really:
The following is a list of Internet top-level domains (TLDs). The top-level domain article provides the background information. The official list of all top-level domains is maintained by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). A number of Proposed top-level domains are under consideration by ICANN/IANA. Generic top-level domains {|class="wikitable sortable" |-style="background-color:#a0d0ff" !Name !Entity !class="unsortable"|Notes !IDN !DNSSEC |- valign="top" | .aero || air-transport industry || Must verify eligibility for registration; only those in various categories of air-tr...
 
@MooingDuck At least the Greek and Cyrillic ones are not the same.
The greek one is something about paradigms, and the cyrillic one sounds like something about the prime-minister (or prime-something else).
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Follow the links:
> Each of these TLDs encodes a word meaning "test" in the respective language
 
Oh, "primer" is test in some cyrillic-using language. I learned a word in some language!
 
10:11 PM
idn.icann.org/IDNwiki <-- source site
@RMartinhoFernandes Yay
 
Now wait, maybe the second one is "test".
Ok, let's just say I didn't learn a word in some unknown language.
 
At 1:14, she explains that it is 'example.test' in several languages
Woot. I'm good with google. I'm goodle
 
Ah, that makes sense.
 
I bought some grapes yesterday and they were all big and juicy
 
10:18 PM
I know, right? Normally, like, half the packet is shrunken :(
 
Anytime you say some of these totally random things, I think "Would this make a good book opening?".
 
lol
what makes you link between my randomness and book openings?
 
@DeadMG Oh, I don't that exclusively for your random sayings.
 
lol
 
@DeadMG package*? (also, too much information)
 
10:20 PM
but it's not totally random at all, I'm eating some right now
 
For yours, the answer is mostly "no", though.
 
hey
 
Come on, "I bought some grapes yesterday and they were all big and juicy" is a terrible opener.
 
"I bought some grapes yesterday and they were all big and juicy. I was eating some and went to get some more, and therefore (potentially un)fortunately was not in my regular eating place when <insert catastrophe here> occurred! The unusually high quality of these grapes saved my very existence/gave me new insight into the world/granted me superpowers"
I think it's great
 
10:22 PM
@DeadMG that's a terrible book title; it's too long
 
I think it would be great as opening narration for some movie, especially if the guy saying it is stuck in the middle of a firefight.
 
@MooingDuck It's an opening, not a title.
 
oh book opening, not title. oops
 
aw man
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, but that won't work in book medium.
 
10:23 PM
I got my banana all covered in water :(
 
What is the world's longest book title?
"Per favore dite a mia madre che faccio il pubblicitario lei pensa che sono un pierre e che quindi regalo manciate di free entry e consumazioni gratis a chi mi pare, rido coi vips, i calciatori le veline e le giornaliste, leggo Novella e mi fotografano i paparazzi, entro neI privé saltando la coda, bevo senza pagare, sono ghiotto di tartine e gin tonic, ho la casa piena di oggetti di design, conosco Paris Hilton, Tom Ford ed Emilio."
 
@DeadMG "No"
 
oh, no, wait, it was saved! for once, I put it on the other side of the plate to the washed grapes.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's the problem.
 
That's why it's much harder to get a good one for a book.
For movies you have two mediums you can work together.
You can always fall back to good ole "It was a dark and stormy night"...
 
10:26 PM
lol
also
 
@RMartinhoFernandes "Call me Ishmael"
 
the bananas I'm eating are so big, I physically couldn't fit them on top of my microwave
 
@MooingDuck Moby Dick. Is this a game? "I am an invisible man."
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I was thinking it would be an interesting opening for a book, especially if that line was completely unrelated to the rest of the book
 
It's the opening of Invisible Man.
So, no, it's not completely unrelated.
 
10:30 PM
But I mean, it would be interesting for a book where the narrator is some sort of cold, unfeeling killer, and so the book begins with the guy saying unrelated stuff while he murders everyone. Would really introduce him as the guy who does not give a fuck about the lives he takes.
 
I'm thinking of creating a website for people into electronics to share circuit diagrams (drawn on site, imported from Eagle etc) and allow them to share and collaborate and discuss them
Good idea?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I was thinking of the tutorial of FF12, where you play a soldier attacking a palace. At the end of the tutorial your character dies, and game play resumes with another character, and it turns out the soldier character had almost nothing to do with the story whatsoever.
Only like two other characters even heard of him
 
Tell me at least the attack on the palace is relevant.
 
aaaargh
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yeah, the king was assassinated, and the soldier saw it happen.
 
10:40 PM
I linked myself to TVTropes! :(
and then it linked me to Cracked!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes but it's wierd playing a character who's not part of the plot
 
@MooingDuck Well, it is. It takes part in the attack that ends up with the king dead.
@DeadMG And you didn't even have time to drag someone else in, I see.
Please don't do it now.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes you practically asked him to
 
@MooingDuck he knows. They're all addicts
 
I just finished Mass Effect 3. And I'm... disappointed by the ending.
 
10:42 PM
Hmmm, where have I heard of that before?
I need to spoil myself.
 
I think what pisses me off the most is that no matter what choices you made during the whole trilogy, you're going to get the same three bittersweet endings anyway.
 
That's what me and my friends have started to call "Bioware choice".
 
Meh, CAD sucks anyway.
PA is much better.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I found the one I linked while looking for a PA comic that was relevant :/
found it
 
10:54 PM
Hm, since when is -10.0 smaller than 2.2250738585072014e-308?
 
@EtiennedeMartel since always?
 
Err
Yeah
 
Oh.
Yeah, it makes sense now.
 
0.00000000000000000000......22507385.. > 0
 
My brain farted.
Wait a minute. numeric_limits<double>::min() returns a positive number?
 
10:55 PM
lol
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, that's how it works for floating point numbers.
 
Well, fuck.
 
It returns the smallest representable amount larger than zero,.
Or something like that.
 
Isn't that the definition for epsilon()?
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, that's the difference between 1 and the next representable number.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes nah, that would be numeric_limits<double>::epsilon()?
Sorry, got it
 

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