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16:00
pretty sure it was just a coincidence, but also my paranoia levels went up
Ven
Ven
@Zoidberg 4 years later? XD
you realize it doesn't gist do notifications?
16:16
@Zoidberg The Kingdom of the Netherlands
@JerryCoffin Can't help but to try
we all can try
hey scott
@ReousaAsteron Well, you are trying, no doubt about that.
16:18
all we can do is try
sometimes it succeeds, then it becomes "i did it"
@WGhost You're not nearly as trying.
sometimes it fails, then it becomes "shit i have to go home and jerk off and cry"
@WGhost Whereas when it succeeds you jerk off and smile?
ouch
jerry cuts deep
My compiler hates me again
16:22
my wife hates me again
jk i'm not married but if i was she'd hate me
Compiler IS my wife
i feel sorry
coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/893c4e3b72a5b24c it wont run this for some wild reason. 'PrevY' was not declared in this scope|
@WGhost I wanted to reply with a link, but there are too many choices
@WGhost Lmfao
On my compiler that is.
16:24
@ReousaAsteron Wives are a lot like compilers. A compiler turns code into error messages. A wife turns life into error messages.
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@JerryCoffin This compiler = wife
@ReousaAsteron capitalization is off
@WGhost WHAT NO
No. I did not.
Wow.
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@ReousaAsteron The walk star of shame.
@ReousaAsteron the clue is in the compiler error: there was no PrevY in scope. I’m not saying that to badger you, but as you repeat the same mistake you will repeat the same error message over and over again (assuming you stick to the same compiler), and eventually you get an understanding of them—so the next time you see the message, it may 'click' in your mind what you did wrong
16:31
@LucDanton Yeah, error dictionary
80% of noob errors are forgetting semicolons after class definitions
It's in my slide written in huge red letters
"DO NOT FORGET THE SEMICOLON HERE"
yet they still do
@slaphappy Must leave the kids really confused when they try to go down that slide at the park.
the other 20% are most vexing parse
> in my slide
@JerryCoffin LOL
16:39
@WGhost Nope, I'ld say forgetting to close brackets :D
@slaphappy nowadays the primary reason of errors is facebook / whatsapp.. Kidding..
@JerryCoffin oh.
dang.
good thing it's moral friday
@slaphappy I'm convinced that days of the week are entirely amoral (though some might argue that weekends should be immoral).
well, some people's week ends are sure bound to be immoral by church standards
@JerryCoffin it is morally friday, in the sense that many of us won't be working tomorrow.
@slaphappy Considering I'm not working at all, I include myself in that set
So tomorrow I'll slack all day as a gesture of solidarity to all of you who have the day off
16:44
Oh damn! Beaten to the punch.
I appreciate your solidarity
let's all be lazy slobs together
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@ProblemSlover It's easier to get them directly from SO.
Once again, debugger saves the day.
Woot I've got 2 RTT, will give me a short break between the job switch
@slaphappy I second that.
16:51
@slaphappy He's well aware of that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes o/
@Borgleader Oh no! I've been outed!
@Borgleader I thought it was some british thing
@Zoidberg r/java doesn't seem to like Java puzzlers O_o
> wishing this was not in video format.
> Yeah, what’s with all the stupid “let’s make a video of something that is particularly well suited to a website which you can read at your own pace and which lets you copy and paste code” shit that’s going down lately?
@fredoverflow Thank you.
OH wait that's totally unrelated to what I was thinking
Thank you anyway though .-.
16:54
@slaphappy I have monday off at work, but some institutions here have tomorrow off. Since the public transport people have tomorrow off i took a vacation day tomorrow. 4 day weekend for me :)
@fredoverflow Ungrateful dimwits be ungrateful :(
@Borgleader Here tomorrow is a work day, but we're a finance shop, so we follow the other countries and we close too
@slaphappy Which fits with one of the first computer games I played, which was a Lord British thing.
@fredoverflow Lots of professors/instructors who can't be bothered to edit a decent web page are still willing to set up a video camera while they teach a class?
@JerryCoffin did you get PKd a lot
@LucDanton "PKd"?
Player Killed?
> Player killing (commonly known as PKing, player vs. player, or PvP)
The only time ive seen that acronym
16:58
@Borgleader old school games all had it
Most worlds had the PK ability, where a player could kill another for the sake of killing them or to get them away from his mobs
@JerryCoffin sorry, I had the Online version in mind but yeah the original series did have a Lord British as well
@ReousaAsteron No I mean, this is the only context in which I've seen it. (i.e. I've never seen PKing used for something else than Player Killing)
@Borgleader In that case, no. I actually spent less time playing the game, than exploring using a disk editor to find the right locations to create a character that was essentially impossible to kill (probably no way to get the same or even similar stats by actually playing the game).
@Borgleader Oh aight
Old MMOs all had harsh penalties for dying, so PKers were actually dangerous
17:00
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, but PKing was also dangerous, where if you died all your items would drop and stuff.
Good old games.
Some games even had jail systems @_@
@JerryCoffin Which game?
Ven
Ven
@CatPlusPlus "in my time!"
It was mostly dumb and annoying because they were also grindy as fuck
Ven
Ven
korean'd
17:04
I wanna play Firefall
@ReousaAsteron monetization is off
/cc @WGhost
@sehe I fried my CPU a while back, using some really old laptop for now.
this doesn't answer the question, it's not helpful to anyone else but the OP, it's link-only — sehe 6 secs ago
This. Let's nuke it, including the question.
@sehe monotonization is off
Laziest damn question in a long time.
17:09
Lmfao
Laziest answer too
That's great, @Balu. Sadly that doesn't make the question remotely viable. The question is just "gimme the codes", showing zero existing effort. The answer to any question we can imagine into it would have to be "read the manual". The "question" is therefore not a good fit for SO. — sehe 5 secs ago
@ReousaAsteron It's not an answer.
It's an excuse for failing to delete the question.
i flagged this as Not an Answer and it was declined, which is weird because ive done that before (in similar circumstances) and they were accepted?
Ven
Ven
@slaphappy is pugixml really good? :\
Ven
Ven
the single 12.8k .cpp file is... nope
17:13
Also, dupe of this: stackoverflow.com/questions/3690436/… (since you mention the "name field" in your "answer") — sehe 7 secs ago
Out of votes now.
@Ven Do you have no other problems? It functions greatly. The back-end is of no matter to you
@Borgleader internet noise
@Ven yes
Ven
Ven
@набиячлэвэлиь I don't. it's just "warnings" in my book
@Ven how and why would you modularize an XML parser?
@Ven Most of the time it is, yes. But those are competent programmers
Ven
Ven
17:15
by creating multiple files
lol. I hope you use better judgement/arguments in real life
more flies are clearly better because parallelism! :p
@sehe Its just a bit annoying because i was going to flag something else and now its bothering me about my last flag =/
really
@Ven It's by far the best c++ xml library I used. @sehe can vouch for it too.
17:17
I have never noticed such things. But then, I rarely flag (I just flagged that answer though)
@slaphappy "best" as in fast, reasonably comprehensive and very usable. I think libxml2 is better in features
@sehe one line per file (not counting the #include of the previous file/line)
Ven
Ven
@sehe are you serious
whatever
"how do you modularize code?" "well, instead of a single file, you could have multiple files" "lol, I hope you use better arguments IRL"
:great_job_bro:
@Ven I know it's weird, but it's that way because it's easier to deploy into your project. A bit like the sqlite amalgamation. I assume the author navigates through the code in a way that doesn't require splitting files - which is entirely reasonable.
@Ven You might as well answer "how do you implement recursive algorithms" with "with a text editor"
17:19
@LucDanton oh god
@LucDanton that'll do :) Easy to enforce as a coding standard too
Somebody make a tool for that
Ven
Ven
@slaphappy sqlite's repos has multiple files tho :v
you needn't commit such amalgamations
@Ven I could be a sign of bad quality, but have a look at the API documentation and you'll know why we found it useful
17:20
Well. Clearly, you don't always need separation either
Ven
Ven
@slaphappy no, definitely. if @sehe and you are telling me it's the way to go, I trust you.
@slaphappy You sure could be.
Ven
Ven
It just triggered some inner warnings
@Ven no, the implication is that the author jumps to functions and doesn't need multiple files to work on the library
aka prejudices :)
Ven
Ven
17:21
aka prejudices.
just like using 0 to means nullptr, etc.
or, worse, NULL
@slaphappy Ultima
@JerryCoffin At the time, I didn't have an internet connection, I think.
@slaphappy At the time I'm talking about (around 1977 or '78), there was no "Internet". There was ARPANet, but it only connected a fairly small number of universities and a handful of large companies (but only ones with ARPA contracts). A few other universities had at least some electronic connectivity, but for most exchanging code meant sending a disc/tape in the mail.
So, this is odd. Type traits seem to be telling me that std::string is not nothrow move assignable: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/f9923d03fd081a66
But the documentation is telling me otherwise: en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/string/basic_string/operator%3D
Am I missing something?
17:33
@caps Perhaps your library's implementation just doesn't have a nothrow in the right places for the traits class to realize it?
user1804599
How many Microsoft employees does it take to change a lightbulb?
user1804599
ICE
@JerryCoffin Time to dig up the implementation headers again, I suppose.
Ven
Ven
Anyone have the java gist where the "return" in a loop+try is overrode in the finally block with a continue? @Zoidberg maybe?
user1804599
@fredoverflow likely
user1804599
17:35
for (;;) try break; finally continue;
      // PR 58265, this should be noexcept.
      // _GLIBCXX_RESOLVE_LIB_DEFECTS
      // 2063. Contradictory requirements for string move assignment
      basic_string&
      operator=(basic_string&& __str)
      {
	this->swap(__str);
	return *this;
      }
Those dirty dirty dogs.
@caps Looks like an update will probably fix it--Jonathon Wakely fixed it last year.
@JerryCoffin The comment suggest it will be fixed in 2063 ;D
Clang does not have the bug:
basic_string& operator=(basic_string&& str)
    noexcept(
         allocator_type::propagate_on_container_move_assignment::value &&
         is_nothrow_move_assignable<allocator_type>::value);
@melak47 gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=58265. The "2063" is referring to the LWG paper that says it should be nothrow.
17:40
@caps you mean libc++?
@melak47 Right.
@JerryCoffin Huh. I built gcc from trunk (v5.2.0) in November.
@caps get GCC 5.3 at least
and if that also doesn't have it, check gcc 6
Well, for now, I'm going to go the cheap route--put a special case in my static_assert that skips the move_assignable requirement if the type is_same as std::string
@caps I'd be tempted to just hand-edit the header (if I couldn't just update).
17:52
How do I logout from Discord web?
@R.MartinhoFernandes We have you now. There is no escape!
Gee fuck
Settings > Account > tiny exit sign at the bottom > Logout
@Ven I didn't understand that "action contre la faim" was a specific thing (the lack of capitals made me think you meant any generic such thing). My apologies.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll get you my pretty, and your little dog soul too!
17:58
@JerryCoffin Mmm, I don't want to put the standard library on our git repository. :p
@caps Me neither. I just want a VMS-style file system that has version control built into the file system, so everything is under version control (and you don't have/need any separate/special tools to look at repos vs. normal files).
@JerryCoffin To limited extent you can have that with ZFS.
> Small scale sociological experiments
Nice. :D
@JerryCoffin That is very insightful. :D
@JerryCoffin However, sometimes it is like compilers that have the only error message "Bad input." and no other indication of what is wrong. :D
@wilx Or inciteful, if we had any married women present...
@wilx Hmm...I see more of the opposite: lots of indications of what's wrong (which is everything) but little or no indication of what would be right (short of my instantly providing a cure for cancer, aids, world hunger, and tension in the mid-east).
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I guess some women work in this or the other mode at one time or another. :)
The std::experimental::optional implementation in MinGW is busted as fuck. So I had to re-implement it and then add a special define over it to make it play nice. No idea if the C++17 one also works, but rolling my own std::experimental::optional when one's already in existence really bites, because it means I have to compete with an existing implementation's.
I might just make it sol::optional instead and pray for the best.
18:14
@wilx Or more like ick, the INTERCAL compiler.
@ThePhD boost
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but then I have to drag in all of the headered dependencies for that. And that's a pain.
Or really any of the several existing implementations on the web.
Plus, it'll probably bloat my single-header-file release by 200.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's the one I'm inlining into sol rn.
Why are you inlining it, WTF.
Just submodule it.
Uuugh but effoooortttt.
Agh crap fine.
It's literally one command.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Haha. I have no experience with INTERCAL. :D
> it uses statements such as "READ OUT", "IGNORE", "FORGET", and modifiers such as "PLEASE". This last keyword provides two reasons for the program's rejection by the compiler: if "PLEASE" does not appear often enough, the program is considered insufficiently polite, and the error message says this; if too often, the program could be rejected as excessively polite. Although this feature existed in the original INTERCAL compiler, it was undocumented.
@wilx Small sample.
@ThePhD Yes, definitely go with the cut and paste approach. CnP is the ultimate programming tool.
18:18
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but I've already made a few small changes to the impl. Plus, it defaults to being in the namespace std::experimental: I don't want to override that if someone includes my code and already uses the (broken) std::experimental::optional.
@ThePhD Fork it and submodule yours.
Bwwwwuuuuh the effooooorrrt.
Fuck fine.
Less effort than your mom
@ThePhD making changes to inlined dependencies? :/
> Optional references have not been added to the Fundamentals TS as they were too controversial. So, it is not too late to change them.
That's.... just..
Wat.
18:20
@набиячлэвэлиь What are you talking about? His mom is ridiculously easy.
optional<T&> controversial.
@JerryCoffin Moving her in any way is lotsa effort though
MFW.
@набиячлэвэлиь Not helping my generic code.
18:21
optional<reference_wrapper<T>> - composition is good! :p
@ThePhD I'm actually trying to make you have less effort, but keep going.
@ThePhD std::optional<controversy>
@набиячлэвэлиь You're everywhere.
Yes, typos bug me, so I just submitted a PR to fix them
18:22
I has a super swanky laptop that's swanky and nie
nice
@набиячлэвэлиь Bugs typo me, wasping the letters around to get "swap".
@Puppy Why would you want a wanky laptop?
who says he wants one. He has one :p
Because he wanted it
swanky and wanky is different things
18:28
But you can't spell swanky without wanky
@milleniumbug I most certainly can: "posh".
heh
hey pup
how's wide comin
...narrowly
hey all
18:43
Yhallo
19:07
@Mysticial Would you happen to know whether it's possible to know if turbo boost is currently enabled on a core?
Oh, I suppose you could divide elapsed cycles by elapsed ns for a time interval.
Ven
Ven
@Zoidberg i made a bear (in APL)
19:25
Howdy howdy howdyoh.
> "multiple definition of `guard variable for ..."
That's a new kind of linker error for me, clang.
Ven
Ven
@Morwenn <3<3<3
long time no heart
Oh hi :D
This is wonky.
g++ and VC++ build this fine.
The fuck is clang smoking.
Fixing stuff in code you didn't write is hard .____.
19:36
It always takes me a long time to figure out what the code actually does.
Me too. But it's even more troubling when you don't actually know where to look for the offending piece of code.
UUuuggghghghgh claaaang stop being so duuuummbmbmbmbbb.
user406009
@Ven What? Are you serious?
This is stupid. Clang isn't properly guarding the variables I define in templates.
Ven
Ven
@Lalaland yeah, check on reddit
19:40
Now it's having linker errors.
And now my travis-ci tests are going to fail.
user406009
All this time I thought it was because he wanted to peruse higher education.
Fucking
Unbelievable.
...
LLVM 3.8 breaks on the VC++ libar.
Yeah, I'm done. Clang can go suck a dick.
@ThePhD having fun with C++ I see. :P
user406009
@ThePhD I assume you are trying to use clang on windows?
@Lalaland Yeah.
user406009
19:46
That isn't even officially supported yet.
user406009
There are still flaws in the compatibility.
Was working before, now it's not.
That's all I need to know to call it a PoS. :v
scrub, you should be running the bleeding edge trunk build :p
also, whaddya mean "breaks"?
Some bogus linker error
when doing what, I mean
19:49
ThePhantomDerpstorm
building clang?
No, when using clang
On sol.
hum.
I changed nothing about what it's complaining about, but now it's complaining.
doesn't mean you weren't wrong before :D
19:51
g++ disagrees with it, so.
We'll see if it errors with the clang on travis-ci
What are you using clang for on sol btw?
Just testing.
It needs to compile across all compilers.
lol, I thought you were using libclang or something. Could've said you were simply building it with clang :p
user406009
Huh, actually that compatibility list seems to look a lot better since I last checked it at 3.7.
Yeah...
CLang's working on Travis-ci and linux machines
It's just Clang-for-windows being broken.
W H A T E V E R, not my problem.
user406009
19:54
@ThePhD You could just stop supporting Windows :P
user406009
It sucks anyways.
I support windows with VC++. And VC++ builds it.
How about Clang/C2? :D
So whoever is niche and uses clang++ and Windows can go straight to hell.
ey :(
19:54
:D
what about mingw-w64 clang++? :D
I have
no idea what that is.
Also, only 2 issues left.
One is to write a tutorial (never gonna do that anytime soon) and the other is to find out why apple-clang is a shitty compiler.
It's unfortunate that we don't have nearly enough comic talks about programming, like the WAT talk.
I could really use a laugh every once in a while
@ThePhD But I want a red panda :(
I gotta take my exam tomorrow and then write the paper for Sol2 and then write another paper.
Not sure if I should have bumped the patch version or the minor version.
So I bumped the minor, since I added new functionality. vOv
20:03
@ThePhD What does it do? o-o
Sol is a high-performance Lua <-> C++ binding.
Oh neat. Lua's that scripting language right?
That supports many features other frameworks only dream of, and the ones that do support what we do provide it in a slow, shitty fashion.
Yes.
user1804599
WTF.
That is neat o_o
You're in CS?
user1804599
20:04
Only 40 years in jail for genocide.
If you don't mind me asking xD
Yes.
Also, NICE.
That's neat :D
Satoren re-compiled benchmarks. I had added a bunch of exception trampolines and additional features, and sol2 still outperforms every single other library.
Geeeeet fucked.
@Zoidberg That's still half of one's life.
user1804599
20:07
GENOCIDE
So? Is that person going to commit another genocide in 40 years?
Xeo
Xeo
Fuck. I just stumbled across a gamedev working intensely on almost the same thing I'm slowly working on. Fuuuuck.
That's a bit of a motivation killer.
@Xeo should be the other way around o-o
@melak47 MinGW-GCC works, MinGW-Clang crashes for me on everything
Xeo
Xeo
@ReousaAsteron Well, it's like, almost exactly what I have in mind. And it looks so gooood. Gaaaaah.
20:10
@набиячлэвэлиь I meant @ThePhD should try sol - but crashing on everything? That's quite an achievement :D
@Xeo You can do better!
@melak47 Yes, I successfully compiled Sol2 with MinGW-GCC + Lua 5.3.2
ok, so what exactly is "everything" :S
@melak47 Any TU I can supply to MinGW-Clang
user1804599
@Morwenn imprisonment isn't only to prevent the person from doing it again. It is also to discourage others from doing it.
20:12
@Zoidberg I guess 40 years in prison is discouraging enough.
user1804599
The higher the sentences, the twicer you think.
If you're ready to spend 40 years in prison, there isn't much that would discourage you more.
user1804599
Threads are the greatest abstraction of all time.
@Zoidberg I'd be surprised if most despots think in terms of 1) getting caught, or 2) the fact that what they're doing could be considered a crime in any case. That leads to a simple conclusion: prison sentences (especially one like this) probably have minimal effect as a deterrent.
20:27
> I closed the window once I realized it was a YouTube link because ain’t nobody got time fo’ dat.
@Zoidberg Hmmm...greatest abstraction of all time? I'd say "language", with "numbers" as a close second. Threads...would be a long ways down the list.
user1804599
lol, another fool attacks an IDF soldier and gets shot
user1804599
why are these people so dumb
user1804599
it's literally suicide
20:45
> but you did have time for this comment
hahahaha :)
I'll be watching your video tonight, I quite liked the previous one.
20:58
<3

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