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00:00
let's see where this convo'll go
oh sure
he's had the decency to not just dump and run
@thecoshman A chat room with people who know C++, a few like me who don't know C++, and (of course) Mysticial, who doesn't know C.
@JerryCoffin you don't know C++?
@JerryCoffin I know that a language named "C++" exists, does that count as "know C++"? :D
by lounge standards or by normal standards?
00:02
I do have some programming background and started out with C but didn't continue with so now it has come to bite me in my ass
@milleniumbug I know that 'C' and '+' exist. Does that count? :D
@thecoshman Well, I do know some parts of C++, sort of, anyway.
@milleniumbug Do you know it in a Biblical sense?
@JerryCoffin hehe
@JerryCoffin that's... kinky
no
reasons to look to move to a stupid apartment: you don't have to worry about staggering up the stairs, or falling back down
Ven
Ven
00:05
@thecoshman his paper got accepted for C++17 AFAIU
@Ven who what?
EMERGECNY
Ven
Ven
Morwenn
I'm out of coke... I have white rum...
'takeela'
kahlua
gin
My problems most times are because I create the use cases for myself and then find it difficult to figure them out
@JerryCoffin That joke dates back to 2013 :D (It was mentioned before this as well.)
00:06
brandy
what do!?
Mix it all.
At the the moment I've given myself 7 beginners use cases that I want to accomplish but going about them is a bit challenging :( unfortunately
@thecoshman drink water, prevent headache tomorrow
@StackedCrooked ¬_¬ you are a mean person
00:09
@thecoshman No, it's good advice. I swear from the bottom of my heart.
@StackedCrooked Who to believe: StackedCrooked, or the man who even beats Tom Petty for having the most nasal voice of any reasonably famous singer?
@StackedCrooked you want me to try a "white barcardi, kahluia, gin, cognac, tequila" equal mix?
@JerryCoffin o_0 is that referencing me?
@JerryCoffin TIL about Tom Petty
right... let's try to pour a small enough measure of each of those to still fit into this glass...
@thecoshman Not unless you're the guy singing the song in the link I just posted.
00:12
@JerryCoffin I have no id3ea
@JerryCoffin It's him. I know since I met him at uncon last year.
@thecoshman Okay, let me put it simply: No. Not even close.
@StackedCrooked You met Bob Dylan? Cool!
the thought of this mix is bad enough
Ok, this is pleasant to listen to.
@JerryCoffin what unless?
@StackedCrooked metal or gtfo
00:14
@thecoshman Shut up drunkard.
@StackedCrooked I'm worried about this mix... but here goes
@StackedCrooked fuck off sober twat hole
chin chin
that tastes of everything
Well even if I'm not a cup guru, we all do have one thing in common and that's Alcohol
@StackedCrooked that's not a nice drink
@Rapptz I am kind of happy with that.
@StackedCrooked Try his take on Alice in Wonderland.
00:18
@JerryCoffin fuck that
eeevenin'
@jaggedSpire hey~
@Borgleader hey, how was your day?
@jaggedSpire long, and cold :(
00:21
@Borgleader awh, I'm sorry. :(
Bikeshed
Ooooooh look, someone actually took a photo of this memorable moment...
Right now, I have 2 distinct types.
One is called state_view and does not own the state pointer it gets pased. It's used to just observe and modify the things in state.
@Griwes context plz
@Borgleader late evening
00:22
@JerryCoffin Ok. That's pretty good actually. Get's a little weird towards the end though.
That should be context enough xD
The other, state just derives from state_view and also has a unique_ptr managing the resource, but otherwise it's identical to state_view.
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Q: Proposal to add a "Circlejerk" badge

ColeI propose that when a group of people upvote each other repeatedly, they get awarded the "Circlejerk" badge.

@Borgleader can you make yourself a nice warm mug of something and curl up with some nice floof pics?
(JL isn't known to, err, refuse a drink :D)
00:23
@jaggedSpire Possibly
@Mysticial how about banning instead
FUCK
I just closed all chrome tabs
@jaggedSpire look at muh comment :P
@thecoshman History > Recently closed wtv things
@Borgleader concur'd
assuming you closed more than 10 tabs
@Borgleader what?
00:25
I think I want to move towards something where initializing state explicitly with a constructor that passes in an aleady-live c_state* object just makes it behave like state_view (e.g., no c_state* deleter called), and if the default constructor or make-style constructor is called, then it assumes ownership of the c_state* pointer.
@thecoshman I'm pretty sure you can re-open them through the history menu
Thoughts on this design?
Cool, Fine Bros finally have a new "Youtubers React" video.
I suppose they were scared to ask them anything in the last two months.
@StackedCrooked Full of people pissed at them for their trademark shenanigans?
is it "Youtubers React to Fine Bros' trademark shenanigans?"
00:27
@Borgleader don't even need to bother srub, it caters for for my sort already
@Borgleader Finally they are starting to get more upvotes than downvotes again. 48800/33802
@jaggedSpire Somebody actually made that video :)
@StackedCrooked Yeah, a bit (especially the very end).
> Elders react to Bocu no pico
lol, youtube comments
00:32
@StackedCrooked this mix is gettinm e*ver( dfunk
I bet you can't handle how adorable this one is
@TonyTheLion He does look highly pettable.
just wanna cuddle him close
What are the best pseudo code methods? I am currently trying to break a programs steps down. It seems like not many colleges emphasize on such an important skill that is needed for programming. In fact a lot of programmers have so many different methods of breaking programs down that there is no best strategy to do this. What do you guys think?
00:36
@TonyTheLion you sicken me
I bet he's so warm to touch, and so fuzzy, and wriggly
lol flag
:D
@Nathan fuck it
oh wait o_0 that was me
floof bundle! 1 2 3 4 and a pile more /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Ven @набиячлэвэлиь
@jaggedSpire NO
00:41
@thecoshman why?
because you don't deserver iyt
what did I dooooo
looj ghaootr
look happyp
happt
hapy
happy
there you go
look happy
00:42
hahahahahaha this is fucking hilarious
I've drunk far too much. shut up
I'm sorry for having a good day
@jaggedSpire not good enough
you must sufffer etenrail damnation lij e---the rest of us---me
if it makes you feel any better I'm probably going to be much less happy with the nice simple interface I made to wrap the business logic of my present project on Monday
wttf,
what brok that time?
00:43
mostly because I really like it now
@jaggedSpire n you're not
I don't care
sure let's go with that
and three more for the road /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Ven @набиячлэвэлиь
ok, I thkn it's time I got try to sleep/ start being hunve r grumper, oppowsed o normal frumpy
00:45
k
jfc cosh
you could try drinking in moderation
Welp.
I did it
I now have inheritance
good job, whatever it was!
00:46
But I fucked overloading in the ass.
@ThePhD :D D:
i found the source of the spam
@ThePhD Not me. My parents never had much money.
Overloading is now a first-come-first-serve system.
@JerryCoffin Well, that's okay: you built your own fortune!
@Borgleader ...this raises questions
00:48
@ThePhD ...then I got married.
RIP Holy Wallet Exploding Matrimony
But I don't waaant overloading to be a first-come-first-serve system...
But if I implement it properly I have to do overload ranking, bwajdawdhwkad
This also means I need tribool.
enum class rank {
false,
true,
close_enough
};
This is the lames.
So, it looks like tribool is a real thing
@ThePhD Microsoft has an implementation of a tri-state boolean you can (not) model it on! :D
Uuuuughghghghghghhh.
Inheritance is booty.
bootylicious
00:53
@Zoidberg I spent half an hour chasing down a bug in my SHA-256 implementation. I forgot Java's bytes are signed and you need to use &0xff basically everywhere O_o
@fredoverflow rekt
Well, now that it works, I can throw it away and use Java's built-in SHA-256 digest :D
I guess I'll just document that caveat and... well.
Let the users struggle. =/
@fredoverflow Why would you write a SHA-256 in Java? That sounds seriously masochistic.
What happens if tomorrow a truck ran me over, and I had never implemented SHA-256 in Java?
00:56
@fredoverflow nothing
Wouldn't you be sad?
@fredoverflow You'd have one more person weeping at your funeral instead of throwing eggs at your family.
you would have been run over by a truck, never having spent time implementing SHA-256 in Java
> A new tips and tuning series w/ Dr. Doris Chen... Practical Performance Tips to Make Your HTML/JavaScript Faster - spr.ly/6185Be1Gv
Tip #1: dont use javascrip for performance
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Q: How to encode some string with sha256 in Java?

IvanaHow to encode some string with sha256 in Java ? Does anybody know any free library for this ?

00:57
2 mins ago, by fredoverflow
Well, now that it works, I can throw it away and use Java's built-in SHA-256 digest :D
@fredoverflow your implementing sha-256 has no effect on the sadness of your death
@fredoverflow why not use that in the first place?
@Borgleader Because I was curious to understand how it works?
for the experience I'm guessing
user406009
@Borgleader Well, sometimes you can consider JavaScript infinitely times more performant because you aren't paying those electricity bills.
Its also Jon Skeet approved
user406009
00:58
I am still waiting for people to have those JS bitcoin miners.
@fredoverflow That is a valid answer.
Everything has been done
user406009
JS Bitcoin miners: How to make $100 using only $1 million dollars worth of electricity.
JS Bitcoin miners: Easier than a botnet!
@Borgleader Although blindly translating Pascal-ish pseudo-code from Wikipedia into Java probably doesn't count as profound understanding ;)
00:59
Agh. This is dumb. The whole reason I implemented overloading was because of the case void foo( A* );, void foo( B* );, and now A* will always get picked.
user406009
You guys ever read those articles about people losing their AWS credentials and then people use them to spit up bitcoin miners.
user406009
The hilarious part is that they earn so little money.
INHERITANCE Y U RUIN EVERYTHING
user406009
Like you waste thousands of dollars and get only pennies and dollars.
@fredoverflow So write it in C++. Or read some existing C++ code.
01:00
@fredoverflow Teach it in a video with pretty visuals, that should help.
@Borgleader SHA is just tons of bit-twiddling. Not very enlightening. I have no idea where all those magic numbers come from.
Maybe I could do a canonical re-ordering of types at compile-time...
... BUT C++ DOESN'T EXPOSE THAT INFORMATION
(By magic numbers, I mean the shift counts, not the prime decimal roots.)
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
user406009
@ThePhD Please don't.
01:02
This is booty.
user406009
Keep it simple, please.
"Simple" left out the door the moment I finished implementing inheritance. :v
user406009
Don't torture the future ThePhD.
user406009
He's a person too.
Whatever.
01:03
not yet he's not
It's technically just a corner case.
It works fine if you're overloading on int and string and based on the number of arguments.
If someone wants a polymorphic function call for 2+ functions that all take the same number of arguments and all the arguments are bases of each other, they can do the dynamic cast themselves.
hello @ThePhD
how have you been keeping?
Alive.
Barely.
Shit.
If you need some love, I have plenty to give out
The good news is, I finished my entire project for the ENTIRE semester
01:08
@fredoverflow Most of the magic numbers are specifically chosen to be quite arbitrary, apparently to prevent any suggestion that they were chosen to provide a back door. The main block of constants is chosen as the first 32 bits of the fractional part of the cube roots of the first 64 prime numbers (for SHA-384 ... SHA-512, those are expanded out to 64 bits and 80 prime numbers). The initial hashes are from the square roots of primes.
@ThePhD aw yiss!
@ThePhD You rock
you know what that calls for?
I petitioned my Professor for an extension into the break so I could submit all the relevant matierals all in one big bang to cover the entire duration of the class.
@jaggedSpire floofs
01:10
much to my regret (I would not regret floofs)
And then I can just stop attending class. :v
@jaggedSpire oh then I don't know
The other columns for the other frameworks I still need to update, but sol is now TRULY feature complete:
If I keep this up you're going to get over your catface related trauma, @ThePhD, and then I won't know what to do
but you know, this has been a lot of work for you
@jaggedSpire Midterm on Monday. :v
01:11
and you've updated a C++/Lua interfacing library to some damn fine functionality
...
Enjoy another catface-free week. At least from me.
Wat
I mean yes, yes this sounds grand.
wait do you use my catfaces for motivation?
I could delay the catface free week to start on Monday
Do compilers choose the optimal storage unit for simple enums?
or is the optimal unit 32bits?
@Mikhail Yes.
@Mikhail Not necessarily.
I guess the word "optimal" could mean a number of things.
01:20
actually only 2
optimal-speed, optimal-storage
2 is a number
:)
is 0 a number?
also -1
how about exp(iPi)?
Your mom is a number. A really big number.
@Mikhail Actually, three: fastest, smallest code, smallest data.
Is smallest code still a thing?
Why was it ever a thing?
01:22
why was storage space ever an issue
because I need more
Was it really storage space?
@Mikhail Yes. Because sometimes it's useful.
how?
@jaggedSpire Windows 10 uses 4GB of ram on boot probably because they used 32-bit enums instead of 8-bit enums.
@Mysticial :|
01:23
@Mikhail Well, just for one example, a loop that fits entirely in the cache can run substantially faster than code that forces reading from main memory constantly.
Doesn't the /O3 optimizer make this choice?
well now I have another reason not to upgrade to Windows 10
I have 4GB of RAM on this laptop
I know MSVC has 3 settings but i never understood the optimize for executable size one.
@Mikhail Whose -O3 optimizer are you talking about?
01:25
@jaggedSpire lol. I'm trying to decide if I want to spend the $140 to upgrade my AMD box to 32 GB of ram so that I can do builds on it.
@Mikhail I haven't spent a lot of time analyzing what was causing it, but I've certainly seen -O3 produce code that ran slower than -O1 (though, admittedly, not very often).
@Mysticial yep, I'm a pleb :P
Need to check if my friend is willing to adopt the 4x4GB sticks it currently has if I do it.
@Mysticial Yes, you do. More RAM is always good.
@Mysticial I'll take care of them for you.
I'm thinking of doing a 3 way upgrade.

Current Config:
- Haswell Box: 4 x 8 GB @ 1866 MHz
- AMD Box: 4 x 4 GB @ 1333 MHz

After Upgrade:
- Haswell Box: 4 x 8 GB @ 2400 MHz
- AMD Box: 4 x 8 GB @ 1866 MHz
Basically a hand-me-down through my Haswell box.
01:28
@ThePhD kaguya distribution: checkmark. wat
@Mikhail It's for things like embedded systems that don't have much storage or memory
I can't take a system with less than 256GB of ram seriously
I need everything in RAM
@Mikhail how little is required to work up a good belly laugh?
01:34
@Mikhail I want a system with a couple terabytes of RAM.
I once used a 2TB node, features included 2TB of RAM
Eh, I want a 3D Xpoint drive as an OS drive
@Borgleader I never said the list was completely finished for all the other libraries. .-.
Cut me some slack, I need to learn the inner workings of 9 separate lua bindings.
@ThePhD im justing saying, checkmark is not a distribution method :P
@JerryCoffin I'm looking at DDR3 sticks. $200 is too much anyway.
01:35
@Mysticial Oh well, such is life I guess.
Do you need ECC?
No, these are just standard desktop DDR3 sticks. The 4x4GB in my AMD box is the same set I got for my original Sandy Bridge box back in 2011. It was hella expensive back then. But nowadays, I need 20GB of memory to run builds.
I usually do builds on my 4-core Haswell box, but that machine has been way over-utilized for the past week.
Tables are really dumb in reStructuredText, though
You literally have to align all the | and --- otherwise it will complain.
Which means you need proper, exact spacing for everything
and heaven's forbid you need more space than you first allocated
@HubertApplebaum more poaching, or so the rumour mill goes
Wow
The resulting tables are ugly AF
01:46
Hi
What's up
Look at how ugly this formatting turned out to be:
needs more comic-sans
muh OCD.... it hurts T_T
Looks fine to me
@Mikhail Wait so who was that guy you linked to the other day? Your friend?
@VermillionAzure We collaborated on a brief project a few years ago when I was intern-ing at Cray
01:49
@ThePhD make it stooop
@Mikhail Oh
It's genome sequencing, looks like
Is that right?
Oh well
I'll do documentation later. vOv
Yeah, we did some De-novo assemblies. I think I still hold the worlds fastest genome assembled although it was done isometrically so we didn't publish.
Because the MPI job has 32k PEs it went faster (this was more impressive in 2012)
@Mikhail Interesting
I talked to some of my other people and they were like, "Oh it's old."
We do your downstream analysis
Its been 3 years, fuck
01:53
@Mikhail What about it?
Are you still in bioinformatics?
No, I'm doing optical physics. NGS is too saturated for my tastes.
So Sebastien wrote a good javsacript visualization tool. As you are well aware, there are many ways to solve an genome alignment problem, choosing the real assembly is an art.
@Mikhail What do you do in optical physics?
Explaining how a microscope image is formed, and figuring out how to build a 3D model from it
@Mikhail Oh so you must work with like electron microscopes and stuff?
We're trying to do it with light microscopes
So I basically monitor thousands of cells growing and then build 3D models from them. I also built the system that does this.
01:58
how is baby image formed? (am i doing this right @HubertApplebaum?)
@Mikhail Interesting
But I wasn't aware NGS was so saturated
From what I understand the methods still need to improve a lot in order to get better quality data and they already have
Obviously or else they would be out of buisness

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