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20:05
@Rapptz [0..-1)
kek
@Shoe Java :\
> A subset of C++ except the little details
description of C
@Shoe this is pretty awful
isn't it :P
20:20
Yeah
Damn thin skinned flaggers!
@Shoe That's really complicated.
lol, C++ in only 2 places. And I'm in neither category.
I am also in neither category
oh no wait
I am in the right-hand-side C++
Really. Java is "I just want to make money?" lol
Where does that come from?
Is that how much you need to pay someone to make them use Java?
20:24
hahahah
lol "easy way: python; slightly harder way: java or c; really hard way: c++" laffo
user1804599
The fan on the front of my PC doesn't spin.
user1804599
wat do
@Zoidberg Buy a new one?
...and replace it.
user1804599
It's part of the case.
user1804599
20:25
I am not sure it can be replaced.
@Zoidberg Does it matter? Is it that inaccessible or custom that it cannot be replaced?
user1804599
dunno
hmmm, at least let's be positive: PHP is on the diagram only once
@Zoidberg It should be replaceable
Xeo
Xeo
Fun. I just crashed my game because I disconnected and reconnected my controller. ugh.
user1804599
20:27
ok
Xeo
Xeo
Only seems to happen when two controllers are involved
user1804599
All other case fans spin.
Xeo
Xeo
Connect both, disconnect both, reconnect second one -> crash
Connect both, disconnect first, reconnect first -> crash
this is not a friendly callstack
not at all
You should crash in my bed cutie
Xeo
Xeo
Are you rightfold now?
user1804599
20:30
yes I am
no
rightberg
user1804599
The fan lights do work so it isn't a power supply problem.
user1804599
oh I turned it with a paperclip and now it spins again
user1804599
seems it got stuck somehow
user1804599
20:32
very strange
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@Morwenn Zoidfold
@Zoidberg It is dying anyway. Replace it.
user1804599
No, I won't replace it until it really breaks.
user1804599
Also not sure what value it has.
user1804599
The only thing behind it is an SSD and SSDs don't get very hot.
20:34
When it really breaks it might also break the CPU
@Shoe Its a case fan not the CPU cooler
user1804599
Fan failure does not instantly break the CPU.
user1804599
The CPU fan works fine. The other fans near the CPU also work fine.
Never said instantly
It may break other things
user1804599
Seems there's a lot of dust on the fan.
user1804599
20:35
Might do a vacuum soon.
I'm just saying it's not something to take lightly
user1804599
I want one of those shiny oil-filled cases.
user1804599
No more dust ever.
^
liquid cooling is good too
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Xeo
Ow. I don't even need to actually reconnect the wireless router, just pushing the battery pack back in is enough to trigger this.
owch
20:36
smexy
user1804599
No I mean the full computer in oil.
@Prismatic What is it?
user1804599
No air.
I've seen the immersed ones those are nifty too
user1804599
20:38
lol the castle
@wilx liquid cooling for the AMD R9 nano
All these advances in material science and cooling is still pretty behind the times
sbi
sbi
Hi.
Is @melak47 here?
Sherry time!
user1804599
lol someone asks whether you can put fish in it
user1804599
it's a fucking oil tank
20:43
I wonder if you could use distilled water
@Prismatic Maybe someday soon, somebody will do immersion in Fluorinert, and we can catch all the way back up to the Cray-2 (circa 1985).
bloody hell
holy shit it compiled
I'd forgotten how much longer my integration tests take to run if I add more files to the stdlib include
debug Clang takes forever on stdlib headers
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this is so weird
connect two controllers, disconnect one, wait, crash.
20:56
is it? I guess I have lower standards
shit’s broken yo
@Xeo Obviously you need to make Controller a singleton.
Hi guys, this question is not completely related to C++ but I think to use it in my project.The problem is, that I had the task to create a project that will convert COFF object files into single static lib file. Anyone has the idea how to do this?
@Sunrise Try rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
that sure beats remembering ar flags
@Puppy needs sudo
20:59
@LucDanton Good point.
@JerryCoffin The problem is, that I have to write algorithm by myself
RIP ^_^
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Also, this stuff seems to crash in a different location every time
now I got a crash from within PeekMessageW
user1804599
I always crash in my bed.
Xeo
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21:02
weeeeeeird
and only seems to happen with the wireless one
user1804599
@Shoe ugh, learn fucking all of them and also languages that are actually different from all listed.
Xeo
Xeo
if I disconnect the wired controller, everything's fine.
if I connect both, disconnect wired, disconnect wireless -> no crash
@Xeo tentative prognostic: async handler shit’s broken yo
Xeo
Xeo
asfjasklfjaaf
this makes no sense
@Sunrise Might I recommend finding a new job where you can do useful work instead?
user1804599
21:04
Only then you can become as good as I am.
Xeo
Xeo
@LucDanton some deep shit is broken apparently, yeah
> Game crashing if using an xbox 360 wireless controller if it disconnects
Okay, so apparently Grandia II has the same problem
@JerryCoffin Actually, I'm working as iOS developer and it's not for a job. It's coursework I received in the university.
Xeo
Xeo
> XBMC crashes when XBOX-controller disconnects
fuuuun
How bad a person am I if I know of a great open talk a month from now, and I don't want to disclose it because there are only 200 seats.
bad
just get a seat for yourself then disclose it
21:10
It is open, no reservations. I tried.
Xeo
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Tree of Savior also had somebody report the problem. grmlgrml
not that I need support for two controllers, but this is still very annoying
I'm having a competition at my campus for travel and lodging for this talk.
@Sunrise Well, if you working with gnu tools, then it's ar format, which has never been standardized, but it's pretty easy to find documentation on the most common variants.
Xeo
Xeo
Also, the beginning of this is great
reminds me of VVVVVV's soundtrack
@Zoidberg Wow, I didn't there was Math in 2012!
21:17
@JerryCoffin ok, thanks for a help, I'll try to investigate in this direction.
@fredoverflow There wasn't. We didn't even know how to count back then (and don't ask how we got to 2012 without counting, either).
@KhaledKhnifer I didn't say that I don't want to work with this. For me, it's just a little bit confusing because there was no documentation and not a lot of information about this.
hey i love that album
me too
my fav track is paper tiger
21:25
o_o
Mine is Coast Off.
Toy Garden's on that album I think, and that'd be my favorite
In other news, I'm writing a sorter adapter that implements a Schwartzian but it only works if the sorter uses using std::iter_swap; and using std::iter_move;.
Well, in other words it doesn't work.
@Jeremy It is.
user1804599
@Shoe if you want to make money and work at Facebook you should learn OCaml and Haskell, not Python.
Ven
Ven
lol C++ only has 4 difficulty stars on the "programming languages chart" shit
I can write 'door'
21:38
@Ven Which language deserves more stars?
Ven
Ven
@Morwenn difficulty stars? C++
user1804599
C.
user1804599
C++ programmers aren't five-star programmers. C programmers are.
C++ used by C programmers.
Ven
Ven
huheuhehue
21:40
tfw you realize the only problem causing everything in your program to go to shit was accidentally thinking a pointer was a node
6 hours later....
user1804599
Use Haskell.
Ven
Ven
use erlang
use APL
user1804599
Referential transparency, i.e. no more pointers.
Ven
Ven
It's like I've been trained to rightfold.
Assembly, Brainfuck, Haskell
Ven
Ven
21:41
it's funny how "rifle" and "rightfold" sounds alike.
user1804599
rifle is how an australian pronounces rightfold
When you want to steal code again but you can't find the source.
user1804599
Somebody should design a programming language and call it "Ænema".
@JoshPeel Not a feeling I have ever experienced.
@puppy lucky you. made me facepalm so hard. i thought it was so much more complicated than that
how do you make a langauge
21:43
it likely has nothing to do with luck and more to do with your teacher being horribly incompetent
well it was probably more along the lines of me not studying the chapter on nodes
and lists
having that as a requirement is part of the definition of horribly incompetent, yes.
....you raise a valid point. my professor last semester was much better
should you ever need a linked list, std::list<T>, job done.
roll-your-own is a stupid timewasting attitude that's good for nothing.
yeah we had to build a doubly linked list from the ground up.
its a datastructures class so they want us to understand the nitty gritty i guess
21:47
I was once an idiot at the uni .. everyone picked a simple graduation project like a website connected to a database .. and I picked implementing viterbi algorithm
the important parts about data structures is their cache locality behaviour, algorithmic complexity for certain operations, memory invalidation, that sort of thing.
"You implement adding by setting node->next = new node();" is not only wrong, but stupid and pointless and adds nothing to your understanding of the structure.
the question isn't "How do I write a linked list?", it's "Why would I choose to use a linked list?".
¯_(ツ)_/¯
anyway
I've long since moved on from expecting competence of educators, so carry on
project complete now. its behind me
21:49
..I didn't know that viterbi algorithm was just the cherry on top of a machine-learning model I had to write from scratch
reading right to left is so odd :\
but I think I can start to see a few of the letters sticking out
@KhaledKhnifer stupid crazy cool language being all challenging
@Puppy *good for learning
@JohanLarsson No, nothing.
in fact, it's especially bad for learning
since not only do you learn nothing of value, but you learn a bunch of actively harmful things, like "Roll your own XYZ!"
21:53
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A: Exporting doc types using queues and multithreading

Eric LippertRather than reviewing your specific code -- which at first glance seems very, very buggy -- let me answer your question directly: What are the best practices with multithreading in C#? Don't. Multithreading is a bad idea. Programs are hard enough to understand already with a single point o...

Puppy's course: start research projects while learning how to program to make sure that nobody invented that wheel before.
not the usual lippert
@thecoshman learning something with no relevant goal is a waste of time
Puppy's course: learn shit that actually matters
> Those tools were written by experts. You're not an expert.
21:55
@KhaledKhnifer vOv
@thecoshman why do you want to learn a language?
user1804599
@JohanLarsson #4 is retarded.
user1804599
Threads are much easier to understand than asynchronous code.
user1804599
And much easier to debug.
depends on how you manage the threads.
21:59
@KhaledKhnifer nothing at all to do with a girl o_o
that and morbid curiosity :P
wonder how long taking a readerwitelockslim takes, has shown up in benchmarks sometimes
remember thinking 'that is not very slim'
@thecoshman in Arabic language, if you can read Arabic well, we have a mysterious book that you can read over and over, look at the phrases of the book from different interpretation view-points. and guess what, they all are valid interpretations. and there is no limit so far to how far you can interpret things written in it, given it was written over a thousand years ago.
@KhaledKhnifer there is a bit of the wanting to know more about this strange other land
Ugh, if I want my sorters to support ADL-found iter_move and iter_swap I also have to reimplement/steal virtually every standard library algorithm I use.
22:20
@Morwenn you can use interfaces as contracts.
Wat.
Ell
Ell
Oh hey new interface
@Zoidberg Sorry, I should stop that
23:26
I like variables named 'pig1' & 'pig2'
@fredo, nice talk ^^
hmm
I just told one of my friends that I was the WinRAR and he was GNU ar
?tag nerds
Ell
Ell
GPLv3 > WinRAR license
23:43
Eh~, I thought that emplace_back allowed to construct elements even if they were not move-constructible.
It could if reallocations weren't a thing
Ugh, of course I forgot that detail.
There
Just stuffed most of my stuff into meta and detail namespaces.
eeeevenin'
Ell
Ell
Yes Banished is coming to Linux with vulkan!!!!
Wooooo
Now I need a 600 series GPU :P
23:50
Guess I'll just use a std::unique_ptr<T[]> then.
uguys
skia works
:D
@Prismatic eggsampel pls
Except the text rendering is probably borked I think I'll have to make my own font manager
I like how the learn a programming language chart has only one case for learning PHP and it's that you like ugly things
lol, don't know what kind of example I can give... screenshot?
thats skia on opengl 2.1 with sdl doing the context, wrapped by my helper lib
skia is compiled in manually (literally added the source files to my project)
23:59
curious silver fox /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ElimGarak @ThePhD @TonyTheLion @Ven @набиячлэвэлиь
@Prismatic What code makes that thing?

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