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9:02 PM
@CheersandhthAlf It took me over 20 seconds to realize what was wrong in the picture (other than the clock being too blurry)
 
How does one choose between Ubuntu 32 bit and Ubuntu 64 bit, given a 64 bit architecture?
 
Easy. You get 64-bit version.
There is no reason not to get 64-bit OS.
 
I flagged the FANN spam as... well as spam
 
It'll probably be multilib anyway, so 32-bit apps can still run.
 
@FredOverflow It used to be the case that you ended up with problems due having 64-bit linux and needing 32-bit flash. Many linux distros build their browsers as 64-bit. It's less of a problem these days and if you don't need flash, well, even better.
 
9:09 PM
Though in Linux64, 64-bit apps are vast majority over 32-bit ones.
 
still going back and forth on that. probably wouldn't do it if I could undo it.
 
Where did the starboard go?
 
Oh well, it wasn't so nice to drive by link - last seen aug 5th last year :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Nowhere.
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, pointers use twice as much memory in 64 bit OS, right?
 
9:09 PM
It disappeared.
 
And I only have 2 GB of RAM, not sure if that matters.
 
And now colours changed.
And the chat is centered.
 
Why did the starboard cross the road?
It preferred to be port.
 
@CatPlusPlus Erm, sounds like you're hallucinating.
 
@CatPlusPlus It just sounds like you should reload to get full css/script
 
9:11 PM
@FredOverflow I ran 64-bit Ubuntu on less and 64-bit Fedora on 3GB; never had a huge problem ram-wise.
 
I didn't reload. It just happened.
 
@Ninefingers Okay so there are no "issues" other than Flash?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes it was a long time since I got 75 rep off a non-answer to a bad Vim question :)
 
The output of g++ -S is probably a lot more interesting with 64 bits :)
 
9:12 PM
@CatPlusPlus javascript failure -> borked page; reload -> happy (guessing)
 
@FredOverflow I'm running 64-bit fedora right now, with flash 64-bit :) So not really. As @CatPlusPlus says, most of the repository stuff will target 64-bit.
 
@FredOverflow Gotta love the RIP register.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Is "R" a prefix for 64 bit registers?
 
Yes.
@sehe Reload fixed it, but lol what the hell.
 
It's been some years since I last tried Ubuntu, do I still have to manually install stuff so I have MP3 support?
 
9:14 PM
@CatPlusPlus It was reported as a symptom before. You could have had a network glitch or just a bug in the javascript. If it breaks the state of the page, we have "soft-UB" in the browser :)
 
MP3 IS NOT FREE YOU HEATHEN.
 
There are MP3s out there. Deal with it.
 
Soft-UB is UB that cannot order pizza?
 
@FredOverflow Depends on what you think is 'Manual'. It is a click in most players (totem, vlc, smplayer)
 
vlc exists for Linux? Cool.
 
9:15 PM
@FredOverflow Jeez people should try linux. It has flash. It has vlc. It has way more. Of course
And I've been on 64-bit for about 2 years, exclusively for the last year and never had issues with that.
Oh, yes, trying to remember what it was, but there was a dev. tool that didn't support 64 bit. Let me try to remember it
There it is:
bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pstack/+bug/532000 No pstack (man) on AMD64; Debian already fixed it, apparently
 
@CatPlusPlus How big is your screen?
 
That's quite an edge case there.
 
mplayer > VLC.
3
 
@CatPlusPlus I can't agree, but I like mplayer better nonetheless. The CLI is far more advanced
VLC rocks in terms of eas of use and support for formats
 
@Pubby I use 1920x1080 on my main monitor. 20" or 21", IIRC.
What format mplayer doesn't support?
 
9:21 PM
@sehe How can a media player not be easy to use? It's "open" > "play". Done.
 
It's "double click in Total Commander".
I don't need no GUI for a media player.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Don't forget the possible configuration of volume and fullscreen toggle!
 
who's flagging lounge msg now?
 
@CatPlusPlus I didn't say that (though I'm pretty sure I ran into those). It's just that VLC is more 'click+forget' (just works). E.g. mplayer frequently won't DWIM
 
@Pubby F and 0, 9!
 
9:23 PM
VLC can just handle a raw ISO, a UDF mounted directory without any further instruction, whereas with mplayer you have to (sometimes) tell it 'the protocol' to use to open a URI
 
mplayer is like vim for media files.
 
Is ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso right for intel Core2Duo systems? Doesn't intel have its own 64 bit architecture?
 
It's the same thing.
 
@CatPlusPlus That's the part I like too. I used to use mplayer on a screen session for remote control
@CatPlusPlus +1. I'm running Q9550 with AMD64 kernel. It's the architecture that is called AMD64
 
generally i find vlc knows more formats and deals better with slightly corrupted files than either mplayer or winamp, but it has braindead user interface
 
There's IA-64, a.k.a. Itanium, a.k.a. nobody uses me, and there's AMD64 a.k.a. x86-64 a.k.a. x64.
 
@FredOverflow Why Ubuntu?
 
@Pubby Well, what else would you recommend to a complete linux noob?
 
Gentoo, of course.
 
9:26 PM
@CatPlusPlus #sshole :)
 
@FredOverflow I'm probably not the person to ask as I've only been using using linux for a few months, but I found Arch to be wonderful. Linux Mint looks good too.
 
@CatPlusPlus Isn't Gentoo extremely customizable? I don't like that in general.
 
@FredOverflow Try one with a desktop environment that doesn't suck donky dong
@Pubby I'd go with Linux Mint. If you like a 'full' (busy) interface perhaps the KDE version
 
@sehe Are you talking about Unity?
 
@FredOverflow What else
 
9:28 PM
@FredOverflow What'd you mean by "customizable"?
 
@sehe What's a 'busy' interface? Non-CLI?
 
@CatPlusPlus Takes hours to install because you can adjust every screw? :)
 
Every Linux is "customizable", by the sheer amount of WM and DEs available, for one.
 
@FredOverflow forget it , customizable suggests 'end user options' - you get those on all distros
 
hi guys, I've been using windows for all my life, and I want to switch to Linux. for pentesting and for programming in c++. what is the distrubition that you suggest to start with . Thanks
 
9:29 PM
Installing Gentoo is just creating partitions and unpacking it.
 
@FredOverflow I think you mean that gentoo behaves as a 'developer box' at all times. It thinks you want to tweak the package + compilation system all the friggin time. It does rock with that, but I prefer an 'honest'/'straightforward' distro, where you can just add your own stuff as desired
 
I heard Gentoo was a pain because you spend all your time compiling
@AbdessamadBond Arch!
 
@Pubby Not anymore. ebuilds/binary packages to the rescue. Still, it is more labour intensive than other (binary) distros, and you get the same power on Debian anyway
 
There are huge packages that compile for a long time, but mostly it's not very much slower than apt-get's "rebuilding database".
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah I saw they switched to 'recommending' stage-3 installs. Kind of takes the point out of the idea of compiling your own distribution for me
 
9:32 PM
@sehe How does a linux noob decide between Gnome, KDE, Xfce and whatnot?
 
You can rebuild the world after installation.
@FredOverflow Roll a dice.
 
@Pubby I heard that Ubunto is much easier and a lot of people uses it. is there anything special about Arch and better than Ubunto
 
@FredOverflow Google screenshots and pick which one you like the look of best :)
 
Ubunt*u*.
 
@CatPlusPlus Now, you do the timings and then report back. That is just plainly false. I have a fast system (always have had) and I can testify it is not a negligable delay
 
9:32 PM
@CatPlusPlus I don't have a dice, and I don't trust std::rand ;-)
 
@AbdessamadBond It's bleeding edge!
 
@AbdessamadBond Ubuntu is easy to use. Unfortunately it has taken a turn for 'dumb UI' since (I think) Natty. I'd steer clear.
 
@FredOverflow 4.
 
@FredOverflow I've tried out those 3 and like Xfce the most.
 
@FredOverflow WolframAlpha: 1d6.
 
9:34 PM
@AbdessamadBond it would be a shame if you thought that Linux still isn't ready for the desktop, only because Canonical made a mess of Ubuntu's desktop environment
 
Do certain linux programs only work on certain desktop environments? I.e. are programms written for Gnome or written for KDE? Or do they work on all?
 
I remember Arch being not-really-stable, i.e. having updates that break the system.
Maybe that's changed.
 
Gnome uses GTK and KDE uses Qt
 
@CatPlusPlus No, it didn't change.
 
@FredOverflow They work just fine.
It's like running Qt app vs GTK+ app on Windows.
 
9:35 PM
I really dont like desktop environment, that's why I want to switch to Linux
 
You just need the libraries.
 
Gnome -> for the masses (in general, simpler than windows, less styled than MacOS)
KDE -> for the tweakers and the lovers of Windowsy crowded interfaces
XFce -> Lean an mean devs (you love the command line too)
 
xmonad!
 
@AbdessamadBond Arch sounds good then - it doesn't even come with a DE, you have to install it if you want it
 
@CatPlusPlus Is there any reason to use xmonad besides the fact that it's written in Haskell? :)
 
9:36 PM
 
Tiling WMs are neat, if you can stomach paradigm switch.
 
@FredOverflow In general, it doesn't matter. A few packages make assumptions about your desktop environment (which will usually only result in lessened integration or delays in launching)
 
@Pubby Thanks, I will try it.
 
@StackedCrooked Can you link instead of OB? This is ruining screen real estate
 
Meh. Adblock it if you must.
 
9:38 PM
@CatPlusPlus I have tried them (on windows even). Ratpoison did strike a chord, but in my experience too many applications just don't 'work well enough' with them. Think VirtualBox, or even browsers.
@StackedCrooked Would that work? Seriously, kind of hard to respond to messages scrolled offscreen. And it's not pretty :)
 
Virtual desktops?
 
@CatPlusPlus I have yet to find out a way to use Ratpoison on a single VDesktop, that would make me happy
 
Tools like Winsplit Revolution (Windows), SizeUp (Mac) or Compiz Grid (Linux) provide something similar to tiling WM.
 
Anyways, I solve it by working in a fullscreen terminal. All the tiling I want, and screen (recent versions) has vertical splits too :)
 
@sehe I use adblock to get rid of annoying images here.
 
9:40 PM
Wait. You what? You use adblock to post annoying images?
That's a first
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Wok'n'Roll
 
Why would I want a 3D desktop?
 
@Xeo Right you posted this before while I was busy at work and I was planning to watch it later, but I realized at the same time that I would probably forget about it. Thanks for posting it again.
 
Your Adblock is kinda broken.
 
@StackedCrooked give these girls a break. they're desperate
 
9:45 PM
@CatPlusPlus :D It's not installed right now on Firefox. Reinstalled my OS recently.
 
hmm, macports is actually pretty cool
 
@CatPlusPlus Damn you, why did you have to speak? Now haskell-platform is broken.
 
Overkill is the use of excessive force or action that goes further than is necessary to achieve its goal. It implies that, while the goal was accomplished, there was collateral damage as a result. Nuclear weapons Overkill is especially used to refer to a destructive nuclear capacity exceeding the amount needed to destroy an enemy The term is attested from 1946 and was in common use during the Cold War era, referring to the arms race between the United States and the Soviet Union. Both nations possessed (US and Russia still possess) more than enough nuclear weapons to destroy one anothe...
"A nuclear land mine is an example of overkill."
 
9:48 PM
lol
GCC 4.6.3 was released, they put it in the repo. But it can't be installed because the existing libtool depends on 4.6.2.
 
@Mysticial Step on it. Erase a small village.
 
@CheersandhthAlf That's overkill.
 

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