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9:00 PM
@ScottW I have never used SCons, but in the dream it was so fücking awesome.
Just wrote a horrible rational number class that probably doesn't work. What are you guys doing?
 
trying to figure out where to get some sample artwork that I can try to render and animate
 
Where should I ask about WPF? It's not really SO proper worthy really :/
Looks pretty inactive though :(
 
@DeadMG Google images?
 
uh
no.
yes
eh
I don't have a loader for any format right now, so it doesn't matter to me :P
 
Model formats suck
You either get something too simple or too complex, just like image formats
 
9:07 PM
Bitmaps ftw. Voxels are cool.
 
I didn't think obj supported animation
.x is probably your best bet
 
Multiple obj files and voila! Animation.
 
lol, no way am I using the D3DX Mesh class
it's teh uglies
 
D3D has model stuff? I've only used it with OGL
 
they have ID3DXMesh
 
9:09 PM
Can you get back rep from a bounty if noone posts a good enough answer?
 
but, tbh, many of the ID3DX classes are wank
 
@KianMayne nope
 
@Kian: bounties are non-refundable
 
like ID3DXFont, doesn't take a depth parameter to draw text, wtf's that
 
brb like a baus
 
9:11 PM
Not after you've given to someone - just if all the answers don't answer the question properly
 
@Kian: No, otherwise you could game it by gathering attention with bounties and just keeping it when you get sufficient answers.
 
@GeorgFritzsche Oh right ok, what if no-one posts any more answers after the bounty has been set
 
@Kian not possible, but yeah, would be nice to get a refund if no new answers or edits happened at all. i guess you have to see it as advertisement costs
 
9:28 PM
Does the human verification thing ever go away
 
@KianMayne Nearly completely with enough rep, don't know how it handles for lower rep users though
 
> You and DeadMG are obviously really cool people who are way smarter than me and are absolutely going straight to Heaven++ with Bjarne when you die. Is that good enough? Can you stop beating me with your pointless conspiracy theories now?
lol
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Having some religous++ discussions? ;)
 
Hmm, beer in my mouth.
 
9:34 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Oh that - i really hope that stuff takes a sane route.
seems a bit like the whole wikipedia annoyance at the moment
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Where does that come from?
 
@GeorgFritzsche i don't think so yet. apparently there are a few people "fighting" for c++ or whatever. there seems to be no global conflict yet
 
hi guys! what's the best way to determinate the emtpy char in sequence?
My progblem is, that I'm getting the result in char* type, and have some unuseful chars at the end, how can I cut them from my sequence?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb But the whole deletion-stuff at the moment looks similar to me - a relatively small group tries to make policy for the community and it needs major discussions just to hopefully make this a saner process. Similar to why i don't bother putting time into WP anymore.
 
@user1131997 what is "empty char" ?
 
9:44 PM
@Abyx may be not so empty, it's wrong denintion, in VS in debug mode, it's -52 char... But I understood, that -52 is only for VS ( and may be for debug build, in release it's another, because with manually itetaring it's not working as for debug build )
 
@user1131997 Why not ask a question on it with some examples of the data you're dealing with and the results you want?
 
@user1131997 so, you have a non-zero-terminated string without its length and want to know it's length?
 
@GeorgFritzsche the worst is that I can't control it... I know , that it's an error on server, but I communicate with socket in server, which sending the result in recv() with exact length , but with even exacl length I'm cathcing such chars...
 
@Abyx Also known as "incoming pain".
 
Does inline also declares a function as static?
 
9:49 PM
@Abyx I'm getting the stream from socket, with non-determinating corrent size even in recv() result... becuase the socket I'm connecting , also is communicating with another and I can't repair it, cause not my server, I'm only connecting and cathicng result....
so, in recv() in the int returning value... i'm getting the fixed size, but in this size I'm getting nonuseful chars ^(
 
@user1131997 then either you are getting data in wrong way, or there is no issue at all
 
@KillianDS No, see e.g. here for some details: gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Inline.html
 
how to i calculate a efficiency of C Program ?
 
@MuhammadFaisal You don't in the general case - you measure test runs of the whole program or parts of it
 
@GeorgFritzsche Thanks, that's what I thought. So a library providing inline (but not static) functions in a header file is essentially broken because you cannot include the header file in multiple translation units?
 
9:57 PM
@KillianDS No, that is fine. ODR applies only to non-inline functions
 
@GeorgFritzsche ODR? I actually see this behaviour now with gcc when I turn off optimalisation for debugging purposes. I have 2 TU's that use the function and I get duplicate definition errors in the linker.
 
Ah, never mind, apparently I had one TU still compiled with an old header of the library, not using inlines, thanks @GeorgFritzsche
 
@KillianDS Yeah, the definitions/modifiers/... have to be the same
 
Anyone feel like answering a WPF question?
 
sbi
10:09 PM
I have just flagged this comment as rude and offensive. Am I going over the top with that or was that reasonable?
 
@sbi A bit much rethoric, but i wouldn't see it as rude/offensive.
 
@sbi comparing to messages in this chat, it's not rude
 
In any case, it's definitely not constructive or helpful
 
sbi
@Abyx Once we're comparing messages on meta to those here, can I know say Fuck you! on meta, too?
@KianMayne Then maybe I should have flagged it as not constructive. Oh well, I can't change that now.
 
@sbi you can, but in more polite way
 
sbi
10:16 PM
@Abyx So there are different standards for comments on meta than for messages here, huh?!
 
@sbi yep, but he said "Can you stop beating me with your pointless conspiracy theories now?", not just "fuck off"
 
sbi
@Abyx I was objecting to "You and DeadMG are obviously really cool people who are way smarter than me and are absolutely going straight to Heaven++ with Bjarne when you die." That, IMNSHO, is rude and offensive.
 
I can't agree that it's rude.
 
sbi
@Abyx Thanks. That's the feedback I was asking for.
 
Well... maybe it's just different standards. Anyway, I think if you feel that it's rude for you, it's enough for flagging
 
10:24 PM
How it's better to convert from char* to wchar_t ( LPCWSTR ) ?
 
@user1131997 Converting a pointer to a wchar_t is something you should not do. :trollface:
 
@user1131997 MultibyteToWideChar
but if that chars are in [0; 0x7F) range, you can use wstring strW(strA, strA + strlen(strA));
 
Anyone agreeing on close-voting on this question? I think we only have 3 users active in that tag / tag-combo.
 
Waah. What's the best way to render stuff continuously in Swing?
Stupid thing hijacks event loop and forces me to use silly threads, and it doesn't work.
 
@GeorgFritzsche vote cast.
 
10:32 PM
@daknøk Cheers.
 
Ha, I did it.
 
> let me change the question. Can i do this in java?
even worse.
 
Now my simulation is exploding into space.
At least it's consistent.
 
sbi
11:02 PM
@Shog9 That's a very good proposal. Upped and all.
 
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Framed Garbage

Proposed Q&A site for people who like to preserve the popular detritus of other sites where questions and their answers are no longer on-topic (if they ever were).

Currently in definition.

 
@Mysticial Smooth.
Example question: "The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List"
 
sbi
Calling The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List "popular detritus" does require a certain, not easily to achieve, grade of ignorance. Really.
 
@sbi I call this whole A51 proposal a trolling attempt.
 
The whole thing should really not be worded that negatively
 
sbi
11:08 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I dunno. I like the idea of preserving those old fun questions. But it seems many are unable to differentiate between fun questions and questions for which they deem the Q&A format a bit awkward.
 
@Mysticial I wonder if that site would ever get "enough visitors".
 
The C++ book list is also not proper there if that will be a read-only site
 
sbi
@daknøk That's not the point The point is to preserve those question.
 
@daknøk It will if you migrate all the controversial SO questions to it. All the existing links will follow through.
 
@sbi if it doesn't get enough visitors, the beta won't get through (I guess that's automated).
 
11:11 PM
It would be an exceptional case anyways. Since it wouldn't be a normal Q/A site.
 
@daknøk Should always be overridable by SE staff
 
True.
 
I actually kind of do like the idea of the this A51 proposal. Of course the name and description can use a little fixing.
 
Wee, I managed to fix the simulation.
I'm so good.
 
Shall I close the book Q so it can be reopened again immediately? It's got 4 close votes atm.
 
11:23 PM
Yay close wars.
You can edit closed question, no?
 
I think you can only cast 1 close/reopen vote in the entire life of a question.
*one of each
 
Nobody really cares about answers there, anyway.
 
@CatPlusPlus yes, you can edit it when it's closed.
 
So, who cares if it's closed or not.
 
It's less attractive when closed.
 
11:24 PM
Nobody sees it until you link to it.
 
sbi
@daknøk No!
 
@sbi OK.
 
sbi
@daknøk Such question take way more than 5 close votes, I think.
Or was that just about deletion?
Mhmm.
 
@sbi That's for deletion.
 
sbi
Sorry, I'm not sure.
 
11:27 PM
> It takes 5 close votes to reach the closing threshold. — source
 
Anything can be closed/reopened with 5.
 
sbi
Ah, Ok. Sorry for the confusion.
 
> Questions can go through multiple close and reopen cycles, but each individual user may only vote once in each direction in the cycle. <— whoops, sux
 
sbi
Still, I wouldn't close it.
Let's keep and eye on it instead.
The more it's closed and opened the more those who don't understand what it's all about will consider it controversial. We don't want that, I think.
 
wow
the Microsoft Office extensibility managed frameworks suck horrifically
I mean, not just bad, but seriously, who the hell comes up with this?
they use ranges to represent single cells as well as multiple cells in Excel, and they dynamically typed the whole lot so you can't possibly know if it's going to work, and they use pre-generic collections, I think
 
11:34 PM
@DeadMG The same people who have kept COM going (:
 
I'd love to see a question about this Ruby framework on Stack Overflow.
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@DeadMG pretty sure the unmanaged ones are worse
 
that's always perfectly possible
 
@Jalf Yes they are. E.g. Outlook plugins are basically a major collection of workarounds.
 
11:46 PM
I'm not sure I'd describe the managed Excel API as needing to be worked around
more like "fundamentally does not offer the functionality you need"
 
@daknøk Loving this quote:
> class Posts < Fuck::Resource
 
@DeadMG Right, with the native ones you might not even have the chance to fix the behaviour :(
*managed ones
 
Does anyone know where I can read some layman's articles about language design, specifically about the advantages and disadvantages of supporting features through the core language or through the language library?
 
there are as many opinions on that as there are language designers
 
Especially language-feature vs. library support should lead to heated debates
 
11:57 PM
Do you guys make exception messages like "Foo should be bar," or like "Foo is not bar?"
 
@Maxpm More like "Foo wasn't bar."
 
@Maxpm I wouldn't see any reason not to, if that's the kind of exception message I need.
 
I have here "denominator was zero." and "maybe was nothing when gotten."
 
@PaulManta I'm asking which one.
 

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