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18:02
funroll sounds fun
@AlexM. I don't get why everyone gets a boner for optimization
@AlexM. that's so fitting even on the other side of the analogy then :)
@AndyProwl ask mysticial
maybe I'm in the wrong industry
@Shoe thatsthejoke.jpg :P
18:03
maybe I shouldn't use C++
-fruity-loops
I'd like to deal with optimization but only at home
@AndyProwl That's probably true
it's not something I'd like to do at the office under a deadline
seriously I very very rarely even need fire up a profiler
which is why I don't understand the hyper-complicated current guidelines for how to pass a parameter to a function
if you wanted to draw a flowchart it wouldn't fit in an A4
18:05
@AndyProwl I do it a lot at my job, so I can see how people get ridiculous with it
yeah, I probably don't need C++
many many programmers are getting worked up over meaningless stuff
I think the only time I "optimized" something at work
was when I was at gameloft
and I added something that slowed down startup times on lower end devices
The problem with optimization is to come with decent benchmarks.
can't remember much on what I did but it was probably delaying things until a bit later
18:08
@slaphappy how dare you say that about programmers???
so yea "optimization"
@LucDanton :D
optimization .. one step at a time
is it wrong to find this so funny?
@slaphappy Pretty much the definition of nerdiness is s/he getting worked up over something meaningless/trivial/silly (i.e., that I don't care about).
18:10
@thecoshman Probably. It's not wrong to think they're idiots OTOH
I had to optimize things more than once at work.
"More than once" doesn't sound like terribly often though
technically, twice == more than once
I mean, I had to as well, but the amount of time I need to worry about optimization is a tiny minuscule fraction of the time I spend at work
18:13
thrice == more than once but != twice which is == more than once
I'm discovering something here
natural numbers
ITT Alex reinvents numbers
@LucDanton lol
@AlexM. it takes effort to be more cool than the rest
I ate that indian chicken tikka today
on one hand, I know that if I ever visit india, I'll find the food edible
on the other it was the most expensive mediocre food I've ever had
@AlexM. you’ve never had Indian before?
@LucDanton nope, I had curry rice and I like the taste just not enough to make me explicitly want it
and the portions were really small today
1 PMU = 4 chicken tikka cubes
PMU = pizza monetary units
== price of 1 pizza
I heartedly recommend going to an Indian place if you can find that one day, it’s neato
18:24
well this was an indian place that we ordered from
it's like, the indian place
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@AlexM. Oh boy, you must come to Brazil
see they have indian chefs
@AlexM. did you try the bread
Indian food is pretty good, but Indian restaurant in France just put way too much sauce.
Also they brand things as spicy when they're not.
@LucDanton nah I had some rice with vegetables
a couple of colleagues got chilli naan
I was a bit curious but didn't ask to try
18:27
On the other hand, the few times I ate Indian food in England, it was pretty awesome.
@Morwenn indian food is spicy by default, if they say it's "spicy" that's actually super hot
it had an unique taste I'll give it that
aside from the curry I couldn't distinguish most of it
so it was a new experience
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@AlexM. That's what we actually call Comida Mineira, there are many more types of meals 'round here
but omg so expensive srsly
and so tiny portions
@KhaledAKhunaifer That would be real Indian food. The one sold here isn't spicy because apparently French people can't handle spicy food.
@Andrey Looks awesome.
18:28
@KhaledAKhunaifer haha I specifically picked the "mildly spicy" tikka chicken
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@Morwenn Going to Mexic is a no-no then
@AlexM. that's an expensive restaurant, look for another one
another guy got the "extra spicy" vindaloo chicken
it was a painful experience or so I've heard
@Andrey Mexican food is good. I just can't eat the raw chili that comes with the meal.
fwiw my chicken wasn't very spicy so I'm indeed tempted to try the vindaloo
but only when my parents visit because they have a silly minimum order amount
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18:30
@Morwenn Oh I see
I once went to a real indian restaurant, they had a plate at the entrance full of dried pepper, and guess what, it's like a dessert after finishing the meal .. my face was like a tomato that day
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What you guys are talking about is about Indians or Hindus ?
there is just one last question that I need answered about indian food
do indians develop some kind of resistance over time to it
or do they also shit lava (daily)
@AlexM. I'm not quite sure, but my guess would be getting used to it from childhood .. since I know some of my relatives are used to hot peppers from youth but not their brothers
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> I like it alot as in very nice..
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18:39
@Morwenn classic India /cc LRiO
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@Ven Cool:D
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@AndyProwl Quoth ya.
South carolina reaper sauce is the key, I've literally had ravilios with reaper sauce as the tomatoes sauce, and you will learn to love lava.
My favorite is a douse from hell into a 2gallon macaroni tuna salad
About a half jar of mayo and macaroni noodles 4 or 5 jars of tuna in oil I weigh 155 at 5'10"
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How can you tell that a C program has been pirated? When the parameters to main() are "arrrgggc" and "arrrgggv". — Jay Dec 6 '11 at 18:23
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18:54
dat feature
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I think if statements where the body is not a labeled statement should start with the iff keyword instead of the if keyword.
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iff (c) {
    f();
}

if (c)
    l: f();
goto l;
Big ass-helicopter
19:00
@TonyTheLion how much freedom can you fit into it?
@BartekBanachewicz a lot
The Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion is the largest and heaviest helicopter in the United States military. As the Sikorsky S-80 it was developed from the CH-53 Sea Stallion, mainly by adding a third engine, adding a seventh blade to the main rotor and canting the tail rotor 20 degrees. It was built by Sikorsky Aircraft for the United States Marine Corps. The less common MH-53E Sea Dragon fills the United States Navy's need for long range minesweeping or Airborne Mine Countermeasures (AMCM) missions, and perform heavy-lift duties for the Navy. Under development is the CH-53K King Stallion, which will...
@BartekBanachewicz Fifty five combat-ready troops (pretty much the military definition is "troops = freedom", right?)
I thought that's 'munitions
Its an impressive machine
@BartekBanachewicz Ammo is just a tool that the troops use to do their job.
19:03
@TonyTheLion I'm reliving my relationship with SR71
@TonyTheLion <3 <3 <3 <3
I wanted to buy a book about it but the prices start at $941
I'm not kidding or mistaken
@BartekBanachewicz another impressive machine :)
@BartekBanachewicz woah thats an expensive book. Is it made of gold or something?
@Borgleader <3 <3 <3 Hey bby, I noticed you missed me. Sorry I was away from my computer for a few days.
@TonyTheLion limited print, super high quality
@TonyTheLion They are pretty big--so big, a C5 can only carry two of them at a time.
19:06
@JerryCoffin woah
I think it's smaller than A380
@TonyTheLion oh cool
Wingspan
262′ 0″ - Airbus
223′ 0″ - C5
Length
239′ - Airbus
247′ - C5
@TonyTheLion Its ok <3
so 380 is shorter but has much greater wingspan
19:10
@Borgleader <3 :D
@BartekBanachewicz You'd think the wingspan had some relation to the length
prolly more related to the weight it needs to carry
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I just realised I'm an author.
Yes, you author code :P
@TonyTheLion Yes--also related to how clean it is aerodynamically. Cleaner aerodynamics favors a wing with a higher aspect ratio (i.e., longer but "thinner" from front to back). But the A380 does have a much higher maximum weight.
19:16
@JerryCoffin ah interesting.
@TonyTheLion One fact I found pretty telling about the size: a C5 is large enough that just the paint on it weighs over a ton.
5
@JerryCoffin thats crazy. I wouldn't want to have to paint it.
@JerryCoffin If a C4 can blow up a building. I bet a C5 is more terrifying.
#dlang's site has a new look. Check it out! http://dlang.org
it looks like a language site now
19:33
holy shit this is awesome alias round = pipe!(to!real, std.math.round, to!string);
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D isn't worth it.
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It inherits too many problems from C++.
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Such as templates, shitty Unicode support, and shitty implementations.
Rightfold isn't worth it.
It inherits too many problems from Rightfold's face.
@milleniumbug still looks unnecessarily boilerplate-y to me
19:45
Extra Life knows what's up.
@AlexM. there is literally 0 boilerplate, nearly everything has been reduced to a semantic minimum here
@LucDanton it's too much to write? maybe boilerplate isn't the right term
consider alias round = to!real |> std.math.round |> to!string
which would also look good when the chain is long
because you can do it on multiple lines
don’t care about syntax
ok I do
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19:52
@AlexM. It's as if you couldn't do pipe!(a,b,c) on multiple lines
you can but I'd hardly call
pipe!(
   a,
   b,
   c);
@EtiennedeMartel Hahaha
or anything like it attractive
➜  ~  dnf search nana
Ostatnio sprawdzono ważność metadanych 2:20:19 temu w dniu Thu Jan 21 18:33:50 2016.
========================================= N/S dopasowane: nana =========================================
gnucash-docs.noarch : Help files and documentation for the GnuCash personal finanace manager
> finanance
19:57
> >OS in Polish
> w dniu Thu Jan
lol
@набиячлэвэлиь whatever
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> In Sunni Islam, flatulence invalidates wudu (ritual purity) and the anus must be cleansed with water before prayer in order for it to be valid.
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TIL
@AlexM. maybe "different syntax for the same thing" better conveys what I intended
@MadameElyse or rather, in gcc
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20:05
shush
20:23
tomorrow is friday
who else is excited
@набиячлэвэлиь jesus christ did you put your repo on the lounge
you're spamming my email
Not mine per se
@AlexM. You can unwatch v0v
I'm not watching it in particular
ugh let me check the lounge settings
there doesn't seem to be a group unwatch
which isn't what I'd want anyway
idonteven
You probably can watch and then unwatch
And there are per-issue settings
I'm not getting notifications because of my account m8
I'm getting notifications because I'm part of the org and github is stupid
clearly neither are you being notified due to your excellent typing skills
20:33
Cleanup on aisle three
1 message moved to bin
just as it should be
routed all org notifs to a diff email
so here's the Wide integration test runner: for (auto&& test : tests) { }
20:42
No test.run() or summat?
tests.consume()
test is just a json blob describing the test
(assuming your tests auto-run when iterated)
I have no run function currently implemented.
@AlexM. Who the fuck would run a test when just iterating a collection containing them?
I don't know that's the first thing I thought of when I saw it
lazily evaluated collections with side effects on eval
Ell
Ell
20:48
@Puppy that's what your snippet implied really
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Today I had the most delicious sandwich.
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Onion, cheese, ham, and rucola.
Ell
Ell
if that isn't the case then for (auto&& test : tests) {} does not run any tests
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In the panini grill.
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Ell
so it ain't a test runner :P
20:48
@Ell That was the point that I was making.
that I currently do not run my tests.
as I am replacing the integration test runner and have not even really started on writing the new one
21:01
@ElimGarak you've been awfully silent these past two days
sup
@AlexM. Lots of work, can't wait to get wasted tomorrow, though. :D
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How many database administrators does it take to change a lightbulb?

One to many.
@AlexM. Are you still playing Underrail, btw? :D
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What do you call a Mexican who lost his car?

Carlos.
class is forbidden because it was not in the lecture yet. this is introductory course. I guess it is to prevent students from copying solutions (the list implementation part) from the internet and to make them think. — ltw yesterday
Asks solutions on the internet
struct is allowed - without it the task would be rather impossible — ltw yesterday
21:05
impressive
@ElimGarak in theory yes, I'll kinda be splitting my time between reading stuff about the C64 and studying for the exams this weekend
the problem is, during short pauses
So without std::string, everything is fine, but without struct OH NOES
NFSHP is a better choice than underrail
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Moronic syllabi? Well I never
21:29
for a moment I thought you were accusing a syllable of being moronic
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21:39
@fredoverflow more horror
I'm watching videos of people high as fuck on acids or whatever
I would actually use those in school to teach young people not to do acids
That would have worked wonderfully for me
are you an acid addict
no
were you ever an acid addict
nope
21:43
see, no vids necessary :P
You can't get addicted to acid AFAIK
Not physically at least
I was planning on trying LSD with a friend few years back
I'm very thankful I didn't though
Seeing things like this
or this
drugs are bad mkay
do drugs make you fat
can you get high on salad
so many questions
I wonder if you go in spectator mode when you die
21:53
yes
you start spectating CS matches 24/24
... in third person
hey shoe
I'm here too
:<
Ven
Ven
bfilipek.com/2015/12/c-status-at-end-of-2015.html most of the papers that guy listed are not accepted for C++17 (yet), right?
@WGhost sup bby
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@Ven lol Bartek
Ven
Ven
21:58
@MadameElyse not that bartek tho :P
@fredoverflow Truly buttiful
@WGhost yo dawg
@fredoverflow do you have legs?
@SashaMN Does your face?
22:14
@Shoe One point I found interesting about LSD is the incredibly minute doses involved. Most drugs are measured in milligrams--but for LSD one milligram would be an almost unbelievably huge dose. A "normal" dose is apparently something like 0.05 to 0.1 milligrams or so (though, I suppose like most street drugs, the doses are probably pretty haphazard).
@JerryCoffin Yeah, it's usually given in the form of a small tab where they drop a small drop of water + LSD and you have to put it on your tongue for few seconds and then spit it out
AFAIK
well
turns out that I forgot to actually write out the results of the compiler process.
I perform all the compilation steps and then just return, discarding the results.
and not only do I discard the results
but I deleted all the code that actually writes it out
time to go through the git history to restore it
22:21
well, my integration tests are proving useful
previously they did not integrate the driver so I never found such issues until I pushed to coliru
Ell
Ell
How do you do error recovery in a parser?
nvm I haven't googled yet
well
more or less, you just make a guess.
there's a few different strategies but it all boils down to "Just guess what the user meant"
Ell
Ell
hmm yeah
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22:25
@Ell you guess something that would result in a correct parse and assume that
the most typical strategy is to find a "continuation point"
like e.g. if you're parsing a statement, go forward until you find ;
Ell
Ell
yeah
Wide has an additional strategy of next-best-token
basically when we encounter an error token, we look down the parsing stack to see if anyone can take it
e.g. if you're parsing a type, and the next token is using in a surprising scenario, the most likely outcome is that the user is just still typing the class, rather than that they actually fucked up
e.g.
type t {
    x :=
using blah = xyz();
/* more valid code here */
Ell
Ell
yeah
makes sense
basically
just don't bother until you're trying to provide live intellisense support
it's a lot of effort for some vague best guesses that you just don't need
22:34
@MadameElyse Did you say that if I die on your minecraft server, I get to keep the items I have on me?
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Well, I am working through my MCAT prep material, and I run into this question:
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@Shoe Yes.
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But that is no longer the case.
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@MadameElyse Even if I fall in lava?
@MadameElyse Oh, why?
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22:34
Because I didn't enable it in the new world.
What about mod griefing?
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Ell
@Lalaland well it would be
it's just awful
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Griefing is still forbidden. Mob or not.
@Lalaland What does that have to do with the MCAT?
I see
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22:35
@caps The MCAT now tests you on sociology as well.
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They "improved" it in 2015.
@MadameElyse :c
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What is MCAT and why do they ask stupid questions?
Why don't you enable mod griefing? Villagers are awesome
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22:36
@MadameElyse It's the exam for people who want to get into medical school.
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They ask stupid questions like these to ensure physicians have a better understanding of sociology.
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Why does it contain suggestive political questions, rather than questions about medicine?
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(Note that these are a small minority of the questions. Most are just senseless memorization of stuff)
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SJW stronghold detected.
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Speaking of which I should probably go back to memorizing the parts of the brain.
22:43
Qt is slowly turning into a game engine: qmlbook.github.io/en/ch08/index.html
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Why does Qt implement a particle system?
I am guessing it is all OpenGL under the hood now anyway.
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It's OpenGL all the way down.
@MadameElyse So you can implement a sparkly Bjarne app, see?
Hm... I am contemplating buy 3 WD Red Pro 6TB, and make a nice Raid-Z at home.
22:48
raid-z with 3 disks...that makes a zzz? :)
2
the idea is certainly sending me to sleep
> Particles are a computer graphics techniques to visualize certain graphics effects.
How vague.

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