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16:00
@Lalaland Indeed. I must admit I tend to forget about pension savings. They're also a factor
@sehe it's not about the risk, it's about a time investment
Both actually.
@BartekBanachewicz I've proven to myself and my family that it was ok to exchange the 15 year employment with stable firm (Ordina) with a more flashy "career" at BackupAgent. I would have to do the maths, but I think I negotiated more than the compensation for the 3 months I spent leisurely looking for the next opportunity (having some time off)
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz nice
still too late for me though, I didn't get non-graphical working in time even
16:02
I tried playing Pillars of Eternity. I failed.
Ell
Ell
Too ambitious, as always :V
@ElimGarak it's fuuun
@BartekBanachewicz running cabal update
@BartekBanachewicz imgur.com/qIQczQn
weird. Maybe it didn't zigamorph yet
> Perceptive readers will note that 100 does not actually show up on a d100 or rand(100).
Nice reference
16:04
Perceptive readers will note that 0 does not actually show up on a d100, but 100 does
Oh really
You should file an erratum o.O
Maybe you should roll d100 instead of using rand(100) then
I actually own a d100 (it's numbered 1-100), but most people use two d10s, and double zeros == 100.
16:05
@Ell stop making it "as always". Learn your lessons.
Ven
Ven
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thought the same...
Ven
Ven
I own a d100, but it's per-10 (so really, it's a d10)
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I'm bad at time estimation :P
@BartekBanachewicz well, perhaps it will be available the moment docs are available too :P
Ell
Ell
16:06
usually it's because "life gets in the way" (as opposed to "I cba")
@ScarletAmaranth maaaaaybe. It lists "build status" as "no builds yet"
Ell
Ell
and I'm not sure how to account for that :S
user406009
@Ell You need to manually specify the tar:
@ScarletAmaranth ^
16:07
@Lalaland nice
Or you know wait until caches get updated everywhere
And remember that there is no now
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Nah, you can't automatically install candidate packages.
@Lalaland it's not a candidate anymore
user406009
Oh, nvm then.
16:08
perhaps I should make a deploy branch and CI hackage publish hook
> CI passed away
@sehe Confidential Informants tend to have short lives yes :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks again, linked to you in my answer on RU.SO
(in movies anyway)
Oh, there's a ru.so now?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe Vlad will move out!
user406009
Does Vlad have an account there?
@R.MartinhoFernandes it was around quite awhile
All accounts are Vlad
quite AWOL
16:11
Ah, missed it.
since Feb 2015 I think
@Lalaland yeah he has.
Is there a russian.SE?
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep
ru.so and rus.se IIRC
user406009
16:12
@BartekBanachewicz Failed install
user406009
cabal install hate
Resolving dependencies...
Downloading Hate-0.1.4.2...
Configuring Hate-0.1.4.2...
Building Hate-0.1.4.2...
Failed to install Hate-0.1.4.2
Build log ( /home/ethan/.cabal/logs/Hate-0.1.4.2.log ):
Configuring Hate-0.1.4.2...
Building Hate-0.1.4.2...
Preprocessing library Hate-0.1.4.2...

src/Hate/Common.hs:26:8-16:
    Could not find module ‘Hate.Util’
    Perhaps you meant Safe.Util
    Use -v to see a list of the files searched for.
cabal: Error: some packages failed to install:
womp womp womp
That's not really answering the question in context, since I bet you can't show how to use to_string from within a Qi grammar rule. — sehe just now
@BartekBanachewicz Yes
@Lalaland the fuck
16:14
@Abyx Maybe I'll use it when I get bootstrapped in Russian.
fucking crap
it's missing indeed
but why did it work before and all times and ughfuck
Welcome to packaging
@sehe btw, how is Spirit 3x? is it good?
@CatPlusPlus I'm trying okay
I had no freaking warning for that whatsoever
ever
16:16
@Abyx It is. By and large, see ~here:
Nov 20 at 1:01, by sehe
@JerryCoffin They are already better. If only for the fact that I reached warp speed with less than 12 hours of frustration.
You should always do install-test
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, that should be a decent approach. at least you'll know words in the code
And with the remote thing too not using anything local
@CatPlusPlus I am doing install. It works.
On the package, not in the unpacked repo
16:16
it did work with that one missing module as well
@CatPlusPlus uh yeah. That.
I need to add it to CI. I had no idea there could be a difference
Nov 22 at 12:56, by sehe
@Orient Ah. I suppose I could shed some comments on the mailing list. In some occasions I do miss the "brevity" of Phoenix. But generally speaking, I love X3 a lot
well fuck what now. I can't reupload the same version again
Swhat bugfix versions are for
@CatPlusPlus you mean just a new release?
Or is there a hackage mechanism for that
@BartekBanachewicz Yes
16:18
Well I guess 1.4.x is pretty unstablish anyway
1.5 will be better!
I can spare a few minor-minor-minor versions for bugfixes
Ell
Ell
Okay I realised what function I want to do I think
it's weird
doubleWithSucc a = (fromIntegral(a) + 0.5, show a)
concatRead2 a b = a ++ (map (read :: String -> Double) b)
concatFmapAug doubleWithSucc concatRead2 [1,2,3,4] == [1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5] ++ ["1", "2", "3", "4"]
                                                   == [1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0]
is concatFmapAug an existing function?
Ell
Ell
it maps each element to a tuple of it's replacement and some other value. the "other values" are added to a list as the functor is mapped
then at the end, the resulting functor is combined with the "other values" somehow
concatRead2 b = ++ (map (read :: String -> Double) b)
concatRead2 = (++) . map
16:23
you know a game gets the survival factor right when you remember this locker you could not unlock before and walk 10 mins back and forth after a level up just because there may be something useful in there lol
user406009
@AlexM. Fallout4?
@Ell this looks way overcomplicated
@Lalaland yes, fallout 4 which essentially could take call of duty's place in the competitive FPS scene
YES THAT ONE
I'm talking about underrail
user406009
@CatPlusPlus ?
16:25
@CatPlusPlus it got released 3 days ago :P
give it a break
Ell
Ell
ah I forgot the concat bit also :
let me write an impl in an imperative language
also the game makes you think "is it ok for me to trade this rock now. i really want the healing kit but cant i use this rock better in the future. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh"
basically things are so hard you don't wanna lose even the least important item you find lol
Xeo
Xeo
whatcha gonna do with a rock, stone soup?
> All reported builds failed as of 2015-12-21
It's my pet rock
16:29
gaaaaaaah
@BartekBanachewicz Well done
@BartekBanachewicz the installation fails on Hate.Util btw
Preprocessing library GLUtil-0.8.8...
ghc: could not execute: hpp
Failed to install GLUtil-0.8.8
cabal: Error: some packages failed to install:
GLUtil-0.8.8 failed during the building phase. The exception was:
ExitFailure 1
Hate-0.1.4.2 depends on GLUtil-0.8.8 which failed to install.
@CatPlusPlus not my fucking fault! ^
@ScarletAmaranth I know I know :/ I didn't know builds from package obey different rules
@BartekBanachewicz How did it work before?
@BartekBanachewicz :v
16:31
@R.MartinhoFernandes It builds locally and I have a CircleCI setup. No problems whatsoever. Now package build fails because of one unregistered module and Hackage fails because FUCK YOU that's why
Ell
Ell
Oh never mind
I got it: concatFmapAug mapf augf x = uncurry augf $ unzip $ fmap mapf x
Good naming
fmap mapf? :D
is that a joke?
Ell
Ell
I think the concat is unecessary :P
fmap fmap fmap
Xeo
Xeo
16:32
*fmap fmap fmap*
Ell
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth well idk what else to call it :P
Ell
Ell
mapf is map function, augf is augment function
But did it ask for this
a wild monad appears
Ell
Ell
16:33
it should be called fmapAug though because there is no concat in there :V
fmap . fmap. fmap . unzip
Definitely should be called something else
aaab
I need to add hpp to deps
Okay let's try again
Ell
Ell
@CatPlusPlus what like?
How should I know, I have no idea what that thing is supposed to do
user406009
16:36
@CatPlusPlus Isn't that perfectly clear? It's supposed to concat fmat aug.
Confmaugh
user406009
It's too darn easy to write line noise in Haskell.
Ell
Ell
Also I'm bad at realising how to reduce down definitions in haskell
@Ell uncurry augf . unzip . fmap mapf $ x
compose then apply
16:39
That's so much better
Note how that can be eta-reduced now
Ell
Ell
like I'm not sure how to change let f a b = nub $ a ++ b
@CatPlusPlus it's the principle that matter
Why do you think you have to change it
Ell
Ell
16:40
@BartekBanachewicz howcome?
@CatPlusPlus idk tbh
Then don't
@Ell Prefer f . g . h $ x to f $ g $ h x
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz but why though?
Ven
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz please.
Pointfree style sucks
Ven
Ven
16:41
Stop recommending people to pointfree for more than 2/3 calls
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Well, there is a reason why it's called pointless.
@Ell well, for one because it eta-reduces properly
@CatPlusPlus THE ORACLE HAS SPOKEN
Pointuggggh
@BartekBanachewicz Yup
yeah you dislike it we get it
I think it's good.
Ell
Ell
I don't know what eta reduction is
16:43
@Ell I presume you also lost google skills as well
Ell
Ell
I'm just making a statement vOv
I'll come back to it later
no time atm :V
user406009
@Ell It's when you remove the argument from both sides.
@Ven No, I won't. People that focus on value names too much are people who tend to write <their language of choice> in haskell
@Ell GOTTA GO FAST
user406009
blah arg = foo arg is changed to blah = foo
GOTTA CHURN OUT CODE
FEATURES
UNI
GAMEDEV
Ven
Ven
16:44
you're literally not using anymore names by doing a $ b $ c over a . b c
no time to learn gonna code
Ven
Ven
so your point is utterly moot
@Ven you can typically get rid of c though
and they you are using less names
Ven
Ven
yeah, of course, but that's not what you were talking about.
yeah no.
What I talked about is the first step.
People tend to prefer $ to . because they can intuitively map it to imperative function application
Hold the urge to resist. Start thinking in functions.
But hey that's just one opinion and I'm not that good at haskell so do w/e you want really.
Ell
Ell
16:46
I just think of it as f(g(x))
My point is that x is less relevant than f . g
user406009
@fredoverflow A lot of the best questions have since been closed.
user406009
I'm still waiting for them to trash the C++ book question.
Well, technically the C++ book question is off-topic on stack overflow. It's asking about external resources.
16:50
@Lalaland I dont think they'll close that one.
It probably gets them a shitton on visits
@ScarletAmaranth @Lalaland @Ell 0.1.4.3 should build from tar.gz now
hi there
does anyone know why user πάντα ῥεῖ was kicked?
user406009
@KeillЯandor Kicked from what?
Why, are you his sock-puppet?
user406009
The Lounge?
16:55
kicked = "temporarily suspended"
sorry
@BartekBanachewicz Wide should be back up on Coliru... shortly.
fred, how do you produce those videos of your C IDE?
@fredoverflow nah, just curious
ShareX has screen recording
16:56
recordMyDesktop is a free and open source desktop screencasting software application written for GNU/Linux. The program is separated into two parts; a command line tool that performs the tasks of capturing and encoding, and an interface that exposes the program functionality graphically. There are two front-ends written in python with pyGtk (gtk-recordMyDesktop) and pyQt4 (qt-recordMyDesktop). RecordMyDesktop also offers the ability to record audio through ALSA, OSS or the JACK audio server. RecordMyDesktop only outputs to Ogg using Theora for video and Vorbis for audio. == See also == Comparison...
@KeillЯandor what why
I cannot for the life of me get googletest to compile my test.
I'm so tempted to suggest to use a compiler instead
@sehe mansplaining to its fullest
@KeillЯandor where from?

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