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03:00
Someone else here that regularly fights against the visibility issues of Boost.Exception?
@Hoxieboy Brat, mne dolzno spit, do skoroy vstreci. (Bro, I need to sleep, see you soon ). :)
@LucDanton "Visibility issues"?
I never ran in to anything that fits that description.
The GCC kind of visibility. I.e. for dynamic libraries/loaded modules.
Unfortunately clang crashes when parsing lambdas
with -std=c++0x
@SethCarnegie Clang doesn't support lambdas yet.
Yeah, it sucks.
03:04
@RMartinhoFernandes still, no reason to crash :)
(Also, I hope @Xeo doesn't see this, as he would immediately point out that the trunk has partially implemented lambdas already)
lol...
Just looked, I don't think it'll be fixed with Boost 1.49.
@RMartinhoFernandes tried to compile the trunk, it has problems with the header files (that's why I said to future readers not to try to compile the svn on windows)
@wilhelmtell (@wilhelmtell) I have a nice implementation drafted up that throws in everything but the kitchen sink.
03:06
@SethCarnegie You should make a blog post or something.
4 hours ago, by sehe
@wilhelmtell fair enough. Make it a Q on SO and I'll see what I can do.
@RMartinhoFernandes about what? And I don't have a blog
@SethCarnegie About compiling clang on Windows.
@SethCarnegie You should make a step-by-step on how you did it and post it somewhere. I for one, will find it useful when the time comes. :)
I'll go tell them on the llvm irc how it went and about the crash
03:08
Or we can make an FAQ question on it.
@Mysticial would the Lounge<C++> wiki be good enough
@SethCarnegie Exactly what I was thinking.
"How to compile Clang on Windows?" That's very googleable, I can almost guarantee that you'll get a gold badge on it within a few months.
@Mysticial gold badge on a wiki post? or as a StackOverflow question
SO question
Ask, and self-answer. You'll get all of our votes as an initial boost.
03:10
Ok, I guess so
I suggest you try it (or have some of us try it) to make sure the steps are sound and that it won't break with different settings.
Yeah definitely
I'll write it up now
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Someone compiled clang on Windows live in this room. We're awesome. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
"Marking the enclosing class with explicit visibility will have no effect." Apparently the problem stems from -fvisibility-inlines-hidden.
@wilhelmtell suffice it to show testcase input and output for now? http://pastebin.com/MmzugDtn
You post that Q on SO and I'll post the code as an answer with a bit of explanation
@wilhelmtell oh, and the macro expansion is by of a callback, see how that is implemented for these testcases here: http://ideone.com/aKLt9
03:13
@SethCarnegie I'd say have at least @Xeo and two others verify your step-by-step guide before you post.
Eh, wrong diagnostic, I'm getting a stock visibility error.
@Pubby: I just noticed you had one masonry set on continuously making stone cabinets. Why do you want so many cabinets?
Hello everyone.
Is there a way I can put my C program on a website so others can play it too?
@ScottW lol
03:28
@LearningC Do you mean distributing the binaries?
I made a checkers game in C. Is there a way I can put it on a website so other can play each other?
@ScottW yes it is a game.
> If the battery is ever totally discharged, the owner is left with what Tesla describes as a “brick”: a completely immobile vehicle that cannot be started or even pushed down the street. The only known remedy is for the owner to pay Tesla approximately $40,000 to replace the entire battery.
Awesome.
@ScottW Make it a browser game. I just want to put it on a website so people can play it. I want to make a blog of what I learn in the programming class and I want to post the code online and post the game so they can try it
user406009
You could have your game spit out json files. Then have some javascript clientside fool around with the json files.
user406009
The clientside javascript would send back json as well.
user406009
03:33
Cheating would be pretty easy, but who cares. NVM, the javascript would be pretty annoying.
@ScottW Posting code is easy. But posting the game so people can try it is the puzzling part.
@ScottW You mean, anything but VSS.
@EthanSteinberg Thanks. I'm going to check out json.
I never heard of ClearCase destroying your source code.
I did hear of SourceSafe doing so.
user406009
Shoot, what I said would actually be alot more complicated than I originally thought. The whole gui would have to be redone.
user406009
03:35
Was only thinking about the game logic.
@ScottW Microsoft itself recommends running a weekly script to detect repository corruption.
@ScottW VSS was abandoned in favour of TFS. But that didn't stop people from using it to this day (my previous employer still used it for some older components).
user406009
Might be a little old, but developsense.com/testing/VSSDefects.html
Mmh, I can use BOOST_NO_RTTI which makes Boost use an internal typeinfo-like mechanism to sidestep the issue, but I lose some type information in some cases.
Quick question, why can i not manipulate a public object inside a class from outside the class? E.g. class x{ public: x want_to_manipulate;}
03:43
@oorosco Something else must be going on. Can you provide a sample that shows that problem?
@oorosco That snippet isn't valid. A class can't have itself as a member (it's an incomplete type at this point).
Isn't that how you create linked lists though...?
Missing a ;, too.
I added the ';' did nothing though in terms of the compiler allowing me to access iit
1 min ago, by Luc Danton
@oorosco That snippet isn't valid. A class can't have itself as a member (it's an incomplete type at this point).
Same problem than in your snippet.
user406009
03:45
@oorosco You need to contain the parents, right and left node as pointers.
@LucDanton Oh, I totally missed that part.
user406009
(And it is really cool if you contain the childeren as std::unique_ptr)
I would make them "h_node* l_child;"
@EthanSteinberg ??
user406009
Ignore what I said about unique_ptr's. Once you finish the project you can add them in.
03:49
I got a question though, why do you HAVE to make them pointers?
@RMartinhoFernandes
Oh goddamnit. boost/throw_exception.hpp includes stuff from Boost.Exception and of course is used throughout the whole of Boost.
@oorosco Try to imagine how that class could possibly be stored in memory.
@oorosco Do you know the identity that sizeof(struct { short s; int i; }) >= sizeof(int) + sizeof(short)? The size of a class type is at least as big as the sum of the sizes of its member?
2
A: Why structure can not contain Instance of itself?

FredOverflowstruct bedroom { bed b; table t; bedroom r; }; Do you see the problem now? A bedroom would need storage for an infinite amount of beds and tables.

Love the discussion in the comments.
What would the size of struct recursive { recursive r; }; be?
03:51
Infinite i suppose?
Which doesn't really make sense with the C++ object model.
Note that there are languages where a similar construct would make sense :)
@LucDanton That one could actually be allowed to work by making it any size you want.
@RMartinhoFernandes We obviously need the EBO: struct recursive: recursive {};.
@LucDanton I have a question the children inside the node, how can i check to see that nothing was assigned to them, that they are null, or do i just have to add aa member like " has been modified"
user406009
03:53
@oorosco Initialize them as null inside the constructor. Then you can see if they are non-null to know if they are "real".
@oorosco You can use an invariant such as "either the pointer to children point to actual children, or are set to 0". (I'm not sure I understood your question right here.)
@EthanSteinberg But in c++ it doesn't seem like null is even a reserved word
user406009
Well, it is actually NULL, all caps.
It's nullptr, or NULL in older compilers. :P
@RMartinhoFernandes I forget - you can do those recursive structs in haskell, right? (I thought I saw it in some language recently - forget which one)
03:56
You can use 0 as a null pointer literal: double* p = 0;.
Is there a way to check if C++11 is supported on a compiler?
@kfmfe04 Yes, you can. data Foo = X Foo is perfectly valid.
@RMartinhoFernandes ah - ty
@EtiennedeMartel __cplusplus is some special value with 2011 in it.
GCC only started honouring the value for that macro from 4.7 on :(
03:57
@RMartinhoFernandes Alright, thanks
Aaaaand given that 4.7 is not out, well.
@LucDanton And it doesn't quite support it all yet...
The safest option is really to test on a feature-by-feature basis, using the compiler version macros (which is what boost.config does).
I'm tired of Boost.Exception's shit.
If you have a Tesla electric vehicle and need to park it for a long period, don't park it. Throw it off a cliff instead. Insurance covers throwing off cliffs, but it doesn't cover bricking. theunderstatement.com/post/18030062041/…
@RMartinhoFernandes WTF, __cplusplus expands to 1 here.
04:02
5 mins ago, by Luc Danton
GCC only started honouring the value for that macro from 4.7 on :(
@LucDanton Oh, missed that one.
Well, fuuuck.
@EtiennedeMartel c++ compiler vendors suck.
@EtiennedeMartel Grab boost/config.hpp
Yeah, I noticed.
Good idea.
As a non-Boost author, I find Boost.Config scary.
@LucDanton You don't need to look at it ;)
04:04
Mmmh, let's see if there's an issue with Luabind visibility instead.
Even though it's mainly intended for Boost authors, the macros are documented here: boost.org/doc/libs/1_48_0/libs/config/doc/html/boost_config/…
So, the last seed dropped out of the swarm, and this Windows 7 torrent stopped dead at 99.91%. Fuck this.
Nope, nothing to see here.
@RMartinhoFernandes Don't you mean 'folders of my own holiday pictures'?
@LucDanton I'm pirating Windows 7 because I can't download the genuine image without an existing Windows install (I can only download an .exe that does the actual downloading of the .iso).
But it seems that the Universe is trying really hard to make me not install Windows.
I say there is something to be said for plausable deniability.
Speaking of, I need to switch on some torrent of my own. Those holiday pictures won't download themselves.
@LucDanton The plan was to install a pirated version on a VM, do the downloading, and then do a real installation with the legal medium. But now the plan is mostly to curse Microsoft.
04:11
I know I downloaded my last two Windows installs, but I can only confirm that the last of the two was under Linux. Can't remember for the other one.
Did you use MSDNAA?
I think so, but for the one I don't remember :(
Most likely I did get it from Windows, yeah.
Didn't realise it was fussy.
Latest download was the regular consumer channel.
I don't care anymore. All it means is that I won't be playing... Wait, there are no games I play that don't work on Linux.
I'm still miffed that Steam specifically ported to OS X instead of Posix.
> lto1: internal compiler error: in lto_output_varpool_node, at lto-cgraph.c:595
So, visibility issues and LTO is broken.
wat, I don't have the visibility issues in release mode.
It's not often that I cut myself on my bleeding edge tools, but when it happens I haemorrhage.
04:20
Is anyone here available to attempt to compile clang on windows
following the instructions I wrote
Not me.
13 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
So, the last seed dropped out of the swarm, and this Windows 7 torrent stopped dead at 99.91%. Fuck this.
Sorry, I'm on OS X, and I'm too lazy to boot my VM.
@SethCarnegie I would on the weekend, but I'm busy cramming work right now.
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A: How to design exception "types" in C++?

Cheers and hth. - AlfThe C++ standard library’s exception hierarchy is IMHO pretty arbitrary and meaningless. For example, it would probably just create problems if anyone started actually using e.g. std::logic_error instead of terminating when it’s clear that the program has a Very Nasty Bug™. For ...

Yeah no problem
04:22
Debug flags: -g, -'D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG'; release flags: -flto` (except for the program, where it breaks), -DNDEBUG. Debug libs: luabindd; release libs: luabind. I don't get it.
^ A longer treatise on the subject. And maybe I'm totally wrong here! He he.
@CheersandhthAlf Maybe we need a std::very_nast_bug exception. Or a std::undefined_behaviour.
@RMartinhoFernandes Or a std::fuck_this_shit_im_going_home.
@CheersandhthAlf what do you think about having a different exception class for every error type when you don't have very many (< 10)
@CheersandhthAlf A lot of your conclusions also appear in the Boost.Exception docs. How familiar are you with the library?
04:25
I'm starting to think that you should never throw a logic_error: an assertion would be better.
@LucDanton not at all
user1182183
hey does any1 know a reason why a .rdbuf from a stringstream saved in a ofstream makes an empty file? (while cout shows the right text)? :P
@RafalGrasman More details, please.
@CheersandhthAlf For instance the library encourages only having a concise number of exception types (which should map to very broad 'categories' of errors), but allows passing arbitrary information at each throw and/or catch-and-rethrow site.
@Luc: but I remember Dave Abrahams once remarked that my explanation of how one should handle exceptions, was the most clear he'd ever seen. Of course, I just stole that from Bertrand Meyer. <g>
user1182183
04:28
@Etienne well I have a stringstream prepared, and this kind of code: ofstream myfile("server.cfg");
if (myfile!=NULL){
cout << "\nWRITE:\n" << outservercfg.rdbuf() << "\n------\n";
myfile << outservercfg.rdbuf();
myfile.close();
} and the cout shows the correct data but after opening the file it's empty, 0 bytes.
@CheersandhthAlf Sadly I don't think he's a primary author of Boost.Exception, and you don't appear in the credits :(
@RafalGrasman After you write it out to cout, it's empty.
user1182183
@R. it resets itself? O_O
You need to rewind it.
user1182183
What's rewinding? heh
04:30
When you write it out completely, it will be at the end of the file. You need to clear() the error flags, and seek() to the beginning of the file.
@CheersandhthAlf The one difference between what you say and Boost.Exception is that the latter assumes that deriving from std::exception is the 'natural' thing to do, i.e. it suggests the simplest way to write an exception type is using struct foo: virtual public std::exception, virtual public boost::exception {};. Admittedly that can be seen as a pragmatic choice.
user1182183
@R. you mean
myfile.clear();
myfile.seekp(0);
myfile.close();
}
right?
That being said one can use Boost.Exception just the same and derive from std::runtime_error.
@RafalGrasman Why would you close it?
user1182183
because It's not needed at a later time? xD
04:32
@RafalGrasman I think that should be seekg.
Is it a power of a room owner to sticky a message?
Oh wait, you're rewinding the file. I think Martinho was suggesting to rewing outservercfg. Since that's what you want to read twice.
@SethCarnegie yes
Are there any room owners present?
People with the names in italics.
04:33
robot :P
Ah ok thanks
user1182183
@Luc heh yeah, already wanted to say ofstream doesn't have a seekg member :P
would you sticky a message for me? I want to ask someone to ping me when they can test compiling clang on windows @RMartinhoFernandes
@LucDanton Well, as I recall, in C++03 std::exception did not take a string argument in constructor. Even if Microsoft's implementation did. I.e. the implementation from the company of PJPlauger (which I always forget name of). So it's not really a pragmatic choice for simple custom exception classes. Except maybe when using Boost in addition to the standard library.
@CheersandhthAlf Ah, right. Boost.Exception somewhat obviates the need for that. But I'm not sure what what() returns, tbh. And I'm a user!
04:35
@CheersandhthAlf With boost.exception you don't need that argument. Exceptions can carry arbitrary data in them: the library encourages nearly empty classes for exceptions (they only have the inherited members).
I know I use stream << boost::diagnostic_information(e); and I think that's what you're supposed to do.
@SethCarnegie Sure. Write it up.
user1182183
@R. Thanks, the file is not empty, the data is in it, and most important of all: No more weird characters at the end!
Will someone who is available to try following a guide to compiling clang on Windows please ping me when you are available (and I am in the room)
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@RMartinhoFernandes thanks very much
@CheersandhthAlf FWIW I don't think std::exception has changed for C++11, barring noexcept instead of throw().
Now I feel like I should derive my 'top' exception type from std::runtime_error @_@
Oh, std::runtime_error has to be constructed from a string or string literal. I'll pass on that!
@LucDanton That's not a problem, it's a feature. You can just pass an empty string.
@CheersandhthAlf It wouldn't feel much different from deriving from std::exception :)
struct FooX: std::exception { FooX(): std::exception( "Oh, Foo!" ) {} };  // Wrong
Contrast BOOST_THROW_EXCEPTION( FooX {} << invalid_foo("Oh, Foo!") ).
Completely possible to make FooX not default constructible, too.
04:48
class FooX
    : std::exception
{
    std::string msg_;
public:
    FooX(): std::exception() {}
    virtual char const* what() const noexcept { return "Oh, Foo!"; }
};
^ Pretty verbose for a white guy
lol :)
To be fair const char* what() const noexcept override; is very limiting.
To be fairer, Boost.Exception allocates memory IIRC. So it depends on needs, as usual.
user1182183
hmm anyone a bit expertise in File editing here ? :P
user1182183
The program doesn't want to listen to me
@RafalGrasman ask a question if you have one
user1182183
well it's not a specific question but ok :
What approach would be the best to edit a game configuration file in which each variable is separated by a newline and each line can have multiple values, EG:
rcon_password 1234
plugins AutoInstaller
gamemode0 lvdm 1
filterscripts testa testba sjejejef

I'm just having problems with it now... I get not expected results.
user1182183
04:55
The code I'm using:
ifstream servercfg;
int length = 0;
servercfg.open("server.cfg");
servercfg.seekg(0, std::ios::end);
length = (int)servercfg.tellg();
servercfg.seekg(0, std::ios::beg);
char * buffer = new char[length];
servercfg.read(buffer, length);
servercfg.close();
//cout << "\nBUFFER:\n" << buffer << "\n------\n";
stringstream strx;
stringstream outservercfg;
strx << buffer;
string line;
while (getline(strx, line))
{
char * first = NULL;
char * linex = NULL;
if(line.length() < 3)continue;
Well, if you need to post that much code, perhaps it would be better to write a nice question for SO?
@RafalGrasman please paste code on some code pasting site, e.g. pastebin
user1182183
it looks like much code but it should do just a simple job.. add "string" where "plugins" is found
user1182183
And what's your problem?
user1182183
05:01
The problem is that the file (still :[ ) messes up on each save
user1182183
or while doing operations on the strings
Meaning? Wrong data? No data?
user1182183
my last input was a whole config file and the output was just "rcon_password"
user1182183
O_o
user1182183
(rcon_password 1234 is the first line)
user1182183
05:03
How would you approach to editing a config file like this?:
rcon_password 1234
plugins AutoInstaller
gamemode0 lvdm 1
filterscripts testa testba sjejejef
user1182183
eg add "AutoInstaller" to "plugins" (if it does not already exist)
Woa, nice Doodle today.
I wouldn't tbh. Every time I think I need to parse something, I feel like I'm doing something wrong and that I'm reinventing (or risk ending up reinventing) a scripting language. I tend to use Lua for that, it works great for configuration files. Unsurprisingly, since it was designed just for that.
user1182183
Mhm saw nicer one, like the Valentines dat one
user1182183
@Luc my little problem is that this file isn't auto-generated and the program which reads it is closed source. It only reads it.
user1182183
05:08
So I have no source I can base my parser on. for this specific .cfg file.. ;x
user1182183
Anyway reading is easy, just adding data is a problem for me. O_o
Honestly I'd toss your previous code and rewrite it with a more algorithmic minded approach.
user1182183
what do you have in mind with "algorithmic"?
Chop up the files into lines, parse the lines to produce key/values pairs, then you can programmatically inspect those pairs and e.g. add missing keys. Then you need to do the reverse pairs -> lines -> file transformation to have your output.
Can't tell if that's enough for your needs though.
user1182183
Fortunately it's just 1 config file, not tons of file. and the way I REALLy would like it to do, but don't know how is just change 1 line in the file without the need to rewrite the whole file
05:13
Right, so identify the line you want to change by key, update value, write to file.
Can you describe what structure the file can have?
user1182183
the most 'complex' structure is this:
user1182183
echo Executing Server Config...
lanmode 0
rcon_password xxx
maxplayers 32
port 7777
hostname The Missions Server
plugins profiler streamer MySQL Whirlpool sscanf rwthread
gamemode0 mode 1
filterscripts
announce 0
query 1
rcon 0
weburl www.gz0.nl/mode
onfoot_rate 35
incar_rate 35
weapon_rate 35
stream_distance 1250.0
stream_rate 500
maxnpc 0
logtimeformat [%H:%M:%S]
profile_gamemode 1
profile_format html
E.g. string keys, string values?
That's not a description, that's a data dump.
user1182183
well kinda hard to descript something simple like this
Well I'm sticking with string keys, variable number of strings value.
user1182183
05:15
Anyway is there a library to just edit a line in a file without rewriting the whole file?
05:27
@Rafal What's the key you need to update, and what do you need to update it with?
He just needs to replace a word with another
@Rafal your code indicates many opportunities for learning
user1182183
Yeah I'm no pro at all in C++/C
@Xeo Thanks!
user1182183
The keys I need to update are "plugins" and "filterscripts"
user1182183
05:31
and need to update them with adding strings to the line (if they not already exists - tat's easy to check for)
@RMartinhoFernandes What do you say, is a nightstand a table or not? :)
user1182183
@Cheers if you want to have a funny time finding out how funny my C++/C skills are You may go to my GoogleCode page xD
no no
i just meant that even starting at the first code line, life could be much easier
i suspect that you're only using that std::vector as a stack
for that, you can use std::stack
user1182183
yeah
user1182183
hmm lemme look it up
05:34
hi i need to set bounty on a question i asked yesterday
anybody knows how do i do that
anybody
user1182183
I think you need to wait 2 days
user1182183
@Cheers I see that stack looks like vector, but doesn't have at() etc?
user1182183
because I'm doing a few loops which use at(pos).member
@RafalGrasman right. it is intentionally restricted to stack operations. you can push and pop and inspect the top
and i think that's all that you're really doing with the current vector
Ok thanks i will wait
user1182183
05:37
@Cheers ah yeah when I would only need that I would've used Queue probably because I did know about that one, jut not stack :)
oh, queue. right.
anyone able to help me with a string manipulation question?
anyway, next, you have 3 possible actions, and two of them are large inline code stretches
user1182183
action 0 is also an action so 4 :P
then it generally helps for clarity and practical work, to put each of those in a function
named for the action
05:39
is there any predefined function which can convert a string to all lowercase or all uppercase?
user1182183
@thomas isn't there a .toupper /tolower string member?
@RafalGrasman i'm not sure, hence the question.
user1182183
seems it exists
user1182183
at least for a windows String
05:40
That's for .NET.
@ThomasWard not in C++03. not sure about C++11.
user1182183
ah right, forgot to mention
You could always get away with some std::transform trick.
@CheersandhthAlf which C++ version gets installed by Microsoft Visual Studio 2010?
user1182183
@Thomas well not C++11
user1182183
05:42
at least not for me
@ThomasWard VC10 is somewhere intermediate between C++03 and C++11
hmm...
this is troubling, because i'd strongly like to be able to take case-irrelevant input from users
and according to Visual Studio, there is no ToUpper or ToLower function
user1182183
@Thomas if you don't mind using the boost library (which I don;t like somehow) you can use it's string function to manipulate it.
and i'd rather like to not define one
@RafalGrasman i'm unfortunately restricted by what i can/cannot use
shrugs
user406009
Whatever function you are using is probably going to fail horribly on UTF.
05:43
@RafalGrasman What.
You don't like boost?
@ThomasWard std::transform(str.begin(), str.end(), str.begin(), tolower);
The hell?
@FredOverflow This is what I meant.
user1182183
@Etienne I'm working on Linux and Windows both, but somehow it doesn't like the SDK I use for my development.
@EtiennedeMartel There are good reasons for not liking boost. One is that any code using boost may not compile in a few years time. That's the experience of many.
@CheersandhthAlf Really? I wasn't aware of that.
@RafalGrasman Maybe the SDK sucks.
05:45
It's sort of ungood when you need to keep original versions of libraries and toolchain around, only to maintain the old code :-(
user1182183
@Etienne it does but I have no other option
@CheersandhthAlf Oh, you mean when you use deprecated stuff?
user1182183
Making plugins for sa-mp, is just my hobby, and this hobby is the only thing that keeps me in touch with C++
hey, apparently there are no SO mods here right now!
user1182183
@Cheers , I have somewhere code lying around which is onlu for VC++ 6.0, and guess what - It's (almost) impossible to compile it on any other compiler. Yeah good old Dark Reign 2 which needs some fresh network code to revive it from death hehe.
user1182183
05:50
SO mods? What's SO?
stack overflow
user1182183
ah ok :P
@RafalGrasman This is what I meant by 'an algorithmic' approach.
@RMartinhoFernandes That looks like a recent screen shot. But I see far fewer people, and no Shog9.
05:56
@CheersandhthAlf Oh, chat was bananas again. I just refreshed and you're right.
user1182183
@Luc whoa, never though like this. Really thanks for your efford! Will try it out right now.
@RafalGrasman Don't worry about the effort, if I hadn't wanted to do it, I wouldn't have :)
@FredOverflow I'm inclined to say it is, because the Portuguese phrase for "nightstand" is something like "table at the head".
Wikipedia agrees, btw.
A table is a form of furniture with a flat and satisfactory horizontal upper surface used to support objects of interest, for storage, show, and/or manipulation. The surface must be held stable; for reasons of simplicity, this is commonly done by support from below by either a columnor "base" or at least three columnar "stands". Common design elements include: * rectangular, rounded, or semi-circular top surfaces * legs arranged in two or more similar pairs * several geometries of folding table that can be emptied and then collapsed into a smaller volume * heights ranging up and down ...

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