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14:00
@orlp some plastics are soluable in oil, really - IIRC
@Luc people oblivious to cultural differences? Who'd have thunk?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I missed a note
who is the Luc people anyway
They're the Lucy ones
@sehe Never heard that one, but it's akin to the well-known "chi fa da se fa per tre" /cc @Jefery
@AndyProwl If it goes for you/me it works for three?
14:07
"Who does by himself, does the equivalent of what three other people do"
@sehe Literally "That who does by himself does for three"
@Jefery Ah. Beautiful
yeah, "for three" isn't accurate
TIL we should stop using RSA
I don't know it doesn't convince me too much.
14:08
It's not unreasonable that Niebler might actually have paraphrased this to be about proxies
it's the closest I know of
I also thought of "Meglio soli che mal accompagnati"
@Gregor why that?
But that's not really equivalent
14:08
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh I guess that’s you on mobile not being able to arrow etc.
@Jefery Doesn't seem related
@Jefery It does for me. Did you work in an office environment much?
@Jefery indeed
@sehe No
14:09
Well. You'll understand the crushing truth there.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cat's link above
It's as secure with much lower key sizes
If not more
Interesting how the Italian proverb goes against what most Italians do though
Pro tip: seek out small teams with a high engagement/personal responsibility
@sehe agree
14:10
@AndyProwl That's what proverbs are for
is it?
@CatPlusPlus I can’t run it on my machine I have normal RAM chips
@TonyTheLion aka "Not My Job Syndrom"
@AndyProwl I think so, partially.
@LucDanton Random RAM memory
@sehe thats a thing yes, not only jobs though.
14:11
@GregorMcGregor how relevant, useful and informative
a job well done
Many proverbs in the Netherlands sounds like the preacher dooming the sheep, and that's probably precisely to counter human hedonism
@LucDanton How can you tell? Maybe they're really backdoor-ed RAM chips.
My impression so far was that proverbs are just condensed bits of common truth
it's not like they have an educational purpose or so
There's really no big difference.
How much of behaviour matches common sense/truth?
"rosso di sera bel tempo si spera"
@Jefery how do you translate that
14:13
@AndyProwl And this is very much the opposite of how I feel about proverbs - at least the Dutch ones.
@LucDanton You just need to bend it a little
Proverbs are in large part little moralisms
@CatPlusPlus okay, I’ll use a protractor
@AndyProwl Evening red, hope for good weather?
@AndyProwl red sky something something something i'd say ^^
14:14
@sehe Ok, maybe a certain amount of them contains educational messages
@AndyProwl Red evening sky, beautiful weather will come by
@sehe Yep
lol
hahaha
wow its gonna be cold this weekend
14:14
lolha
@AndyProwl do you know any czech proverbs? :)
@TonyTheLion How cold? We don't have heating in the living room
the one weekend where I need to be outside more
...
@ScarletAmaranth hmm
14:15
@sehe weather app on my phone predicts 5 - 0 C in London here
wait I knew one but I forgot
how was it
it made zero sense
yeah that was the point I was trying to get to
they make no sense :)
Proverbs are just memes.
Tak dlouho se chodí se džbánem pro vodu, až se ucho utrhne
nieco take
aaah, this one kinda makes sense
14:15
Confirmed, makes zero sense.
až se ucho utrhne? :D
what sense does that make
well, we say "until it breaks"
I know the Slovak version is slightly different but I don't remember
Thanksfully there's an italian.SE website
14:16
yeah it's a bit different, but it's the same point
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Good afternoon.
@ScarletAmaranth how is it again?
"ucho" is the thing you hold the vase by
anyway I don't see the logical consequence there
oooh
now it makes sense
14:17
:)
in slovak we say
@sehe he he
"Dovtedy sa chodí s džbánom po vodu, kým sa nerozbije."
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Em português nós falamos "Olá, meus amiguinhos feinhos"
> The pitcher goes so often to the well, that it is broken at last.
14:18
@ScarletAmaranth Hmm, I knew a "kým sa nerozbije XXX" but I don't remember XXX
@Andrey But we're not
@sehe nobody’s buying it
@AndyProwl there is no XXX :P "kym sa nerozbije" refers to the whole "džbán"
in Discussing the new C++ Book/Site, 1 min ago, by Kevin C
Ok, I guess that would solve that issue. I think we can move to the next issue.
Great progress
@ScarletAmaranth damn, I don't remember who taught me that so I can't go back to him and confront him :D
but yes, the Internets prove you right
user3790646
14:19
kkk is like "haha", not sympathizing with ku klux klan
user3790646
in portuguese :p.
In english, you fund them
@AndyProwl how is your czech coming along?
@ScarletAmaranth It never started :D
I understand it, but I don't speak it
I sing it though
14:20
actually I can't even say I speak proper Slovak
how long are you planning on staying in CR anyway?
it's a Czech-Slovak-Brno mix
eh, it's hard to make plans now. Recent break up with girlfriend occupies most of my CPU cycles
@sehe this doesn’t link to this sadly
@AndyProwl Get wicked drunk
@AndyProwl seek shelter in the stalker's arms ^^
14:21
@набиячлэвэлиь haha as if I hadn't done that already
@LucDanton quick, get edit privs
@ScarletAmaranth I did, but then I realized I didn't want a relationship with her
@ScarletAmaranth ITT andy is pending code-review
wow, attested in the Roman de Renart—that’s old, 13th century old!
that's probably a wise decision ^^
14:22
@AndyProwl Sober up, repeat 'til no money
@набиячлэвэлиь yeah, no
also aren't you like 12 and a half?
@AndyProwl (almost) 15
you shouldn't give Cat-like cynical advice already
^^^^ What Andy said
14:23
@набиячлэвэлиь Because it makes no sense
at least at your age
IMO
@AndyProwl Why not?
@набиячлэвэлиь despite its temptations, its not good advice at all.
cynical doesn't help you in any way
I know, because I've tried it
evidence in the transcript
Nothing will help
14:24
@набиячлэвэлиь Cynical advice should be backed by experience at least
get drunk to get experience on getting drunk (note: do not do this)
also it's not constructive and doesn't really help anyone
Nothing is constructive
It's all bits
Electrons
Morons
14:25
lol
Morons are the fundamental particle
what is going on
tabs vs dynamic typing?
@GregorMcGregor yes
more like tabs vs alcohol
clear winner
Alcohol tabs
14:26
@GregorMcGregor @AndyProwl and @TonyTheLion are bashing on my cynicism
bar tabs
Ven
Ven
:[
@CatPlusPlus now you're talkin'
The only tabs that matter are for alcohol or porn
14:27
tabs vs 2013
@Ven use std::enable_if_t
Ven
Ven
@набиячлэвэлиь c++11 :(
use requires
maybe I’ll say that more often
@Ven I see -std=c++14
Ven
Ven
oh, I guess it works with typename enable_if<...>::type* = 0, but that doesn't look very good :(
@набиячлэвэлиь I was too lazy to type out return types :P
14:28
if the enable_if clause is satisfied, you have two valid candidates
which one should the compiler pick?
Ven
Ven
@ScottW someone's gotta do that job
@ScottW oh babby
We have a winner here, bois
Been experimenting with extern template today.
Ven
Ven
@AndyProwl well, one can't be resolved, because there's no ::type if std::enable_if's conditional is false
14:29
I put it everywhere I could think of.
Compile still slow.
user406009
@ScottW star bait.
@Ven yeah, but what happens when it can be resolved
@Ven There's two if it's true
> Violation of PRIMARY KEY constraint
you have two valid candidates and the call is ambiguous
Ven
Ven
14:30
@AndyProwl troo
You need to disable the other one
oh noes what have I done
that wouldn’t have happened with requires, possibly
@TonyTheLion @Ven's mother, maybe?
@набиячлэвэлиь lol
Ven
Ven
14:30
yeah, but I can't disable it with a typename = ... as well. because I'd be redefining the default value. aw
I wonder if I extern template foo(vector<int>);, will this also apply to vector<enum>?
@LucDanton Are you lying?
enum with underlying storage int.
inb4 possibly
If the enum's name isn't mangled in (which it probably is not)
14:31
@AndyProwl I have only skimmed the text so I don’t really know those things, but I do recall constrained templates are selected before unconstrained ones
Interesting.
@LucDanton Interesting
Interesting
hang on I have a compiler around
14:32
Interesting
Friday interesting.
Ven
Ven
@AndyProwl in such a case, you don't need to disable the second template
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: The Friday Party is On!!!! :) [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
14:33
inb4 bin kick ban
@AndyProwl /cc @To
Ven
Ven
@AndyProwl ...I'm not sure why I don't need to disable the second template here..
I didn't bin @GregorMcGregor's winter hats thingy either
yup the constrained template is preferred
so I'll stay fair and leave that one alone
14:34
Confirmed interesting
but damnit, don't post it again :)
This doesn't get the expected behavior (the enable_if part is always eluded)
@Ven IIRC it’s the use of <> which plugs into template specialization selection
@Ven Because it ends up being false?
i.e. same rules that govern which partial spec struct foo<…> will be picked
Ven
Ven
14:35
@AndyProwl sorry?
Damn that rebecca video does autorepeat.
theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/… - that link it quite old, but it's still a gem
Ven
Ven
@LucDanton where?
14:36
@TonyTheLion you may if you want
@GregorMcGregor sigh
@Ven where there are <>
@Ven The mao overload is picked everywhere
I guess that means the enable_if is never true
hm, that doesn't make a lot of sense though
change the 0 to nullptr (or turn into a pack), and it’s ambiguous again
14:41
uh, what's going on
@LucDanton lel. Which compilers have it, again?
@sehe GCC on trunk
I don't understand why nullptr gives a different outcome than 0 here
Ven
Ven
@LucDanton @AndyProwl I am confuzzled.
what the c++ ;w;
when will we be able to template namespaces anyway? 2020? : ^)
14:44
oh
> error: null non-type template argument must be cast to template parameter type 'void *'
I’m not gonna lie but I avoid non-type template parameters if possible since they have silly rules which have changed a lot over the standards
I'd prefer namespace decls::with::scope::resolution::operators {
no conversions allowed or something
but then nullptr also requires a conversion
@AndyProwl it should be more complicated than that (although not necessarily by much) because 0 in a pointer context involves no conversion
Ven
Ven
@LucDanton well, I just havn't decided on which way to do what I want yet...
14:46
A few TILs today
question is if I'll remember them
Ven
Ven
@AndyProwl right? well, well, well. still confused in my head
@AndyProwl Today I’d Rather Not Know I Only Have So Much Room In My Head
oh, so am I
it's not like I understood it
but apparently there's conversion-related stuff going on with non-type default template arguments
I don't even understand what I wrote
@StackedCrooked The fact that you know that means you listened to it until the end. Whats wrong with you!?!?
Ven
Ven
cool. I'm pretty far from that in the standard, I'm barely page 100 *g*
14:47
Wait until you get to 100kg
@Borgleader I never managed to get past 1:51 and it was tough to get there
@Borgleader I've done that
:( sorry to disappoint
it could be as simple as the fact that the converted constant expression and constant expression wording don’t leave room for integer null pointer constants
> as simple as
throw hands off goes back to writing dumb C# app
> null pointer conversions (4.10) from std::nullptr_t
that’s a bullet point
14:50
@TonyTheLion I'm not disappointed, just worried <3 (full disclosure ive listened to "epic sax guy" for over an hour back when that was new)
it’s not just 'null pointer conversions', it comes with a condition
Ven
Ven
@LucDanton so ..::type*'s type is std::nullptr_t? wut
@Ven it’s not
Ven
Ven
@LucDanton so it should be ambiguous with 0, not with nullptr o-o
@Borgleader Let it be said that I didn't really enjoy it.
I just wanted to know why @Elyse felt the need to keep posting it
14:51
no
@LucDanton thanks
and I discovered it was some strange masochism on his part probably
I didn't even know/remember the concept of "converted constant expression"
I should get back to the Standard at some point
Ven
Ven
yeah, thanks @LucDanton ._. it's still blurry in my head, but very much less so
like at all the 1000 things I keep saying I should get back to
possibly including g/f
inb4 sexist pig woman is no thing
Ven
Ven
14:53
inb4 sexist pig woman is a thing
(that happens to look good in the kitchen, or something)
coffee time :)
@Ven narrow conversions are also disallowed in a converted constant expressions, so you can construct this stupid thing
GCC still handles narrow conversions badly so it doesn’t work there
not sure I have it in me to file a bug ._.

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