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@sehe Fair enough--but at least at first blush, it seems reasonable to hope for results better than Qi, not just 90% of Qi.
@JerryCoffin They are already better. If only for the fact that I reached warp speed with less than 12 hours of frustration.
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@набиячлэвэлиь Congrats, you know three nearly identical programming languages.
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@sehe If you don't mind me asking, how powerfull is Qi? Can you parse CFLs with it?
@edition Me neither. Well, I guess I don't mind being mean, but definitely a geometric mean, not an arithmetic mean.
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01:02
Or just regular languages?
@JerryCoffin Compilation speeds are down at least a factor of 2 (sometimes 4-10x), what I just did there in that answer was write a general-purpose as<>[] directive without any Spirit specific knowledge (beyond the end-user interface)
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Is it an alternative to regular expressions, or an alternative to things like bison?
@Lalaland CFL? No clue what that is. Maybe if I look up the expansion
Ell
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context free language?
@Lalaland it's a PEG parser
I think
@sehe Do you mean it takes half as long to compile? "Speeds are less than half" would normally mean taking around twice as long to compile.
user406009
01:03
@sehe Context free language.
@Lalaland Oh yeah
@Lalaland It competes with Bison, not just REs.
@JerryCoffin Ah I tricked myself. I was thinking sooo hard about avoiding this trap
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@Ell That looks about right. Thanks!
Can I get a sanity check on my reading of one of the paragraphs in the standard?
01:07
@sehe That's a definite improvement, but I'm pretty sure compiling in half the time still means that using byacc, then compiling its output is still faster...
@GregorMcGregor mornin'
Ell
Ell
@GregorMcGregor mornin
@jaggedSpire It's not possible. The rest of us who read the standard are obviously insane. Go ahead anyway though.
@jaggedSpire: yw
01:09
@JerryCoffin :P
It's [temp.spec]/2 that's weirding me out.
@jaggedSpire revision?
Which version?
I suck at chat
@melak47 I'm looking at 4140, but I checked and it's the same in the latest.
@CatPlusPlus laff
@ElimGarak Is it by Cinch
01:10
@GregorMcGregor Close enough, it's by Kevin Cinch (Kevin C)
@jaggedSpire What about it?
@GregorMcGregor It's by the proud poster of the comment re: floating point math on the starboard
user406009
Ok, I have heard a lot about "Cinch's tutorials". Do they actually exist and does anyone have a link?
Cuda function doesn't work
good day ahead in
:26992433 It reads to me that they're saying a member of an instantiation of a templated class is an instantiated member ___, and so is the instantiation of a template member of a class.
01:13
@jaggedSpire neat
The book is organized in chapters
groundbreaking
@jaggedSpire nvm. misread. what's weirding you out?
Jul 13 at 23:22, by VermillionAzure
Hey, I wrote a mini make tutorial; any good? https://compactcpp.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/2-1-building-using-gnu-make/
@GregorMcGregor he even "had segfault" meanwhile :)
@melak47 they're using the same name for Foo<T>::mem and Bar::mem<T> there
yeah.
01:14
:26992433 It could be reworded something like `an instantiation of an X is called an instantiated X for X a member of: [function, class, member function, member class, member enumeration, ...]", if you'd prefer. Ultimately, it doesn't make much difference--it's all just terminology that should probably be written as a note instead of normative text anyway.
...why?
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@набиячлэвэлиь That's actually quite decent.
@Lalaland Look at all of them
Badness aboard
Jul 13 at 23:24, by Cat Plus Plus
Make is terrible and you're not even explaining anything about it
also wow that drama with jerefy
@GregorMcGregor And you missed all of it :P
@Lalaland He's manually setting CXX
It's bad
@JerryCoffin Possible. But byacc doesn't come in header-only flavours (so really, you should count the time taken to compile it :))
@jaggedSpire what would you call them? instantiated member template, instantiated class template member?
Time to sleep. Love you later ♥
01:17
CXX holds the C++ compiler (e.g. “g++”)
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It's not perfect, but I would say it is a decent attempt. Teaching is hard.
Fuckin' holds it hostage
teethgrind
@Morwenn Night!
2 hours ago, by Jefery
It has allowed me to meet other pedantic fucks and have regular arguments with them.
gold
Missed that as well
Nice drama
01:18
@melak47 something like that, though it admittedly would probably make that paragraph more of a word salad than it already is
Guy walked into the den of wolves... And Telkitty.
user406009
I blame Jefery's new name.
hehe
user406009
Every since he changed, he's gotten more melodramatic.
Ell
Ell
MATH tables got standardised - yay! I can start working on them now
he says, convincing himself he will amount to anything
01:19
in C, 9 mins ago, by edition
ok, I'll going to leave before I get totally pissed off and start a flame war. bye.
Get out
@набиячлэвэлиь Pfft. If that's the worst, I'm gonna assume it's a decent tutorial
@sehe Given that I only recompile it every few years or so, I don't see how that makes any real sense. I suppose it might be more fair in some abstract way, but my primary concern in this respect is with the time it takes to build my programs.
I suppose in a real conversation someone who insisted on the standard's terminology there would probably get punched, but it strikes me as odd they wouldn't give them two different names.
@набиячлэвэлиь haha, why? :D
speaking of holding compilers, we check our compilers into git repos at work now :D
Ell
Ell
01:19
@набиячлэвэлиь what is wrong with this? o.O
@JerryCoffin The bait... You took it
@sehe I guess.
@JerryCoffin Well, it takes time when you change your program, flush the ccache cache contents etc.
@sehe It's not the worst, I just like pointing out (funny|dumb) linguistics
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@sehe It has flaws, but it's a pretty decent attempt.
01:21
It's not dumb if you can smell a non-natural meaning on it.
That just makes you pedant (and not the audience). Sorry
I have these sensibilities too, and I actually agree it's funny. But your need to point it out tells me there's nothing more substantial the matter.
@Ell CXX doesn't fucking "hold" anything
wait is @nick going to be doing C++ stuff?
It's a virtual memory area
@набиячлэвэлиь Go home. You're not thinking straight anymore
Virtual VRAM memory area
01:22
@jaggedSpire omg
I can mentor him with my skills.
(shut up nab)
@sehe I'm thinking gay? Now that's somethin'!
@набиячлэвэлиь Wow. I await your tutorial, nab. This is going to ace it. "CXX is a virtual memory area". Who are you kidding
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@набиячлэвэлиь it is a variable
it holds values
I don't see the issue
^
He's trying to bash something a little bit to eagerly. It's not working.
It doesn't hold the fucking C++ compiler
01:23
@набиячлэвэлиь how can I, hold all those compilers
@набиячлэвэлиь disgusting
I'm off to bed.
Night all!
user406009
@Nooble Maybe you should join Bartek on codementor?
It holds a string, that, if executed by a shell, will (probably) execute the C++ compiler
@Nooble (or lack thereof, anyway)
01:24
oh so it holds the compiler then
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Ell
well that's a pretty pointless thing to say
@Lalaland Yeah!
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obviously the string "g++" isn't a c++ compiler
I am now back together with my ex-gf.
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Oh if only it were that easy, I could just do CXX=g++++ and get c++17
01:24
@sehe This somehow seems like an argument with my wife. Your words seem like they might be vaguely related to the question at hand, but I still have no clue at all what the sentence as a whole means.
@набиячлэвэлиь Better than most professors is something I'm proud of.
Ell
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@Rapptz gratz :)
@Rapptz Season of depression over!
@Rapptz ex-ex-gf; dw you’ll get used to it
identity ahahah
01:25
@Rapptz Holy shit o.o congratulations
@LucDanton string s = "LucDanton's head";
Now s is holding your head
Thanks guys. :D
@Rapptz Not an ex then :)
@LucDanton lol
@Rapptz Write a tutorial now
01:26
Rapptz has gammmmeeee.
@Nooble You should aim to be better than the absolute worst
@Rapptz Giggty. Congrats!
@набиячлэвэлиь I'm already better than nick.
@LucDanton Groups as (ex-ex)-gf, not as (ex-(ex-gf)), I assume?
@Nooble I was referring to the professors
So. I think for my Graduate Seminar, since my compiler class was thrown out the window, I can still kind of work it in.
01:27
@sehe nite
See, the class is all about software tools / testing / security of the written code.
So, if I want to make an IDE for shader languages....
@набиячлэвэлиь ex+(-ex)+(-gf) actually
Well. I'm gong to have to generate an AST for the language so I can do proper syntax highlighting and refactoring, right?
Right? Yeh? Yeeeeh?
@ThePhD your cimploler class left you? :(
01:28
@ThePhD Use regex
then + is commutative
@jaggedSpire It did.
The class laid me low.
@ThePhD I'm sorry.
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@ThePhD Syntax highlighting can usually be done with only regex.
@ThePhD You'd die in agony.
01:29
@Lalaland But not robust refactoring!
@ThePhD I wasn't gone yet, so have some love too before I'm out: <3
@ThePhD High or low is irrelevant, as long as you got laid.
Ell
Ell
@ThePhD do eet
Anyway, RIP me now.
@Nooble plz don't break my our glorious code while I'm sleeping
@Morwenn ♥
01:30
@набиячлэвэлиь G'night.
Sleep well!
@набиячлэвэлиь Will do!
Gonna go to gaem and C-ify everything.
@Nooble Dammit, gotta fix it tomorrow
01:30
@JerryCoffin I dunno... I can think of some situations where dignity might be more important than getting laid. (... I will admit, they are very, very few in number.)
@Nooble GL, you still didn't get the build system up
@Nooble stalking his post history here, it looks like he was just answering a few questions.
@набиячлэвэлиь nite
oh hell, I just spent a second wondering how to spell rekt in proper English before remembering it's "wrecked." You've messed with my head, lounge.
@набиячлэвэлиь bye
@jaggedSpire That was @Borgleader levels of terrible.
@ThePhD sniff I'm so proud of myself!
01:33
... It's not an achievement!
@ThePhD I'm pundicapped
user406009
Perhaps we should have lounge achievements.
@ThePhD Unchievment Alocked!
user406009
- Beat Bartek in an "argument"
@Lalaland Unchievments.
user406009
01:34
- Ask sehe a question about boost spirit that he doesn't know.
@Rapptz good job friend
user406009
- Get a message starred by every regular.
One of which is obviously to attend an unconference.
Ell
Ell
@Lalaland - Outbartek bartek
@Lalaland I bet I've done this.
Who are the "regulars" though?
01:36
@Ell Bartwrecked/Bartrekt
@Nooble People who are extremely regular, obviously. Otherwise stated, ones who are full of crap most of the time.
the SQUARES
You know, I usually only see a little of Bartek in the mornings. When I'm home from work, he's usually gone. It's almost like he lives in a different time zone than I do.
@Jeremy eh?
user406009
Isn't Bartek from somewhere in Europe?
@Lalaland Poland?
01:38
@jaggedSpire squares are regular
@Jeremy Have you been horribly traumatized by Windows again?
@jaggedSpire every day for 8-10 hours
@Jeremy ah
@Jeremy I know that feel. :(
@JerryCoffin Those are the extremists.
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@edition Yeah. I think nab actually lives like 4 hours away from Bartek.
01:41
@Lalaland I don't think so, he doesn't speak French
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Ell
@Nooble when are you moving to gentoo then?
@Ell Ah fine. I'll try tomorrow!
But don't you use Funtoo?
I want it to be next semester already.
user406009
@ThePhD Same.
I want to get back to writing code and making software.
Not plodding through math and physics.
01:43
@ThePhD but your final prooojjeeeeeecctsssss
@Nooble ...and moving to Fukyoo as soon as it's ready.
user406009
@ThePhD I find that math and physics at least have a lower bound of shittiness.
School sucks.
@jaggedSpire I have no final projects. The last project I had, I finished weeks in advance and that was the end of it.
@GregorMcGregor She said she regret it.
user406009
01:43
For CS, there is no limit on how bad the professor can be.
Now it's just... exams.
@JerryCoffin as soon as it emerges.
@ThePhD but your final eeeexxxxaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamssssss
waves arms spookily
@Nooble In this case, it hardens.
@jaggedSpire Exams are the scourge of the earth and should rightly be destroyed.
01:45
you know, the only thing I really miss about College was seeing IRL friends every day
@Rapptz Regret what, being together again?
3
now, the closest one lives eight hours away
Well, when you don't have those you look forward to AWESOME COMPUTERS AND STUFF.
No breaking up.
lmao
@ThePhD When I was in school, I always loved tests. My favorites were when we did something like three days straight of testing...'twas utterly awesome.
01:45
gr8 out of context star
@JerryCoffin Sounds horrible.
Ell
Ell
@Nooble yes
And I can once again recommend because all the ebuild merging is done
@Nooble Standardized testing days were fantastic for me, actually. The exams were all a joke, and we got snacks, and no homework.
Guys
I have life threatening news
@VermillionAzure do you or do you not have an alt named Kevin C?
01:49
Is it about modules
@VermillionAzure what is it?
user406009
@jaggedSpire Yeah, but those exams didn't matter at all.
@VermillionAzure They delayed modules again?
I am Jupyter-positive
@Lalaland doesn't matter, had vacation
01:49
And no my only alt is Cinch
@jaggedSpire Dude's name is Kevin Compton, must be an unknown member of NWA, along with Dr. Dre, Ice Cube and Eazy-E.
@Verm: seriously? :/ wanna get on IRC?
@ElimGarak ayyyyy
you guys are pretty harsh on people putting out content to help others
@VermillionAzure :(
01:50
@ElimGarak They get together every Tuesday.
@GregorMcGregor ...
heart in the right place and all
user406009
@Prismatic Yep. Some people in here can be dicks.
And do some real @nicka shit.
No I think I'm 90% okay now
01:51
@Verm well if you need any support I'm there
what does jupyter-positive mean
That actually means a lot to me. Thanks.
@Prismatic We must be failing. We try to inflict harshness on an equal-opportunity basis.
@Prismatic I've chosen machine learning with weather data and Python as my junior project
@GregorMcGregor :)
01:52
Wait @Verm is it just really a pun
user406009
@VermillionAzure Cool. So by Jupyter, you are talking about IPython?
@GregorMcGregor I thought he'd contracted a serious disease I'd never heard of
@GregorMcGregor yes
I thought he'd contracted a serious disease I've heard of
@VermillionAzure you suck
but googling turns up only tech stuff
01:53
@jaggedSpire Bwahahaha xD
@Lalaland YOU HEATHEN THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE NAME OF THE GREAT JUPYTER AND IT IS JUPYTER
@GregorMcGregor I still need to take the 3 month and maybe even 6 month checkup test before I'm homefree
@Borgleader One day, I will be great at puns like you! :D
:P
user406009
@jaggedSpire Are you saying that Python isn't a serious disease?
And I'm beginning to wonder if I had anything close to a panic attack...
@Lalaland heavens, no.
01:54
@GregorMcGregor and sorry :(
@VermillionAzure test is 99% accurate at 4 weeks
but anyway
that would be silly
rip messages
:26992978 nah, we all know you do. <3
Cicada died a long time ago in a feelings accident.
Don't be silly.
01:55
@Nooble dammit man
@GregorMcGregor it's nice to laugh after having my sanity wrecked
@jaggedSpire My hair used to be red and i make puns
15 days to nick change
i am the Red Punda
:P
@Nooble I tried to be serious once. Well, I thought I did anyway, but then I woke up.
01:56
@Borgleader holy shit that's amazing
When should I reveal my true form guys?
@VermillionAzure Now.
but this isn't even his final form!
I brought my Razer headset to work
@GregorMcGregor Must've looked like a ~~GAMER~~
01:57
omg
it's gonna be a good day
dat bass
My name is Austin
K dun.
MY WHOLE DESK IS SHAKING
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@VermillionAzure Austin, Texas?
@VermillionAzure Nice.
@GregorMcGregor Careful its sensitive you don't want to make it more orgasmically happier and have it cry out in ecstasy
No my name is Austin
Is razer equipment any good
01:59
@Prismatic Meh.
Speaking of expensive things I need an MX Master.
That amazing mouse.
Oh wait your name is Julian...?
@VermillionAzure That's all right. Names can be changed (given my name, I get to pick on anybody else's, right?)

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