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21:00
not using smart pointers is fine if you also don't use dumb pointers.
I usually don't deal with shared resources, so I just don't use pointers for ownership
fondant is the worst
why is it even a thing
@VillasV Dude, not only bad. You are a masochist.
@VillasV It's worse if you both use and misuse smart pointers. Not everything should be a shared pointer.
@wilx D: Doing a raw pointer hunt will be my new year resolution
21:02
my old year resolution is 1920x1080
@VillasV It's not raw pointers you need to hunt. It's raw resource ownership.
simplest way to find them is just grep delete
I found an offensive image
and its hilarious
inb4 flagged as offensive
@Puppy Makes sense. Now I know what do to during December 31
user3790646
21:10
Good evening :)
> Update: 3:51 p.m. EST -- A German official indicated that previous reports were wrong and that explosives had not been found in Hannover. German officials earlier indicated that there was a "serious threat of explosives," which led to a hurried evacuation of the soccer stadium where Germany was scheduled to play an international friendly game with the Netherlands. (Source)
@Borgleader these gfx
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Hi.
@Borgleader All in all, people were spared a soccer match, so not all is lost. :D
:D
@ElimGarak <3
21:19
@TonyTheLion <3 Never could understand why people love it so much :D
@ElimGarak Donno, its just a game, and people like games
Especially @Nooble's gaems.
Where is Nooblel?
Given the local time, probably schoolio or doing homework. Does his mom still make him go to soccer practice?
So this guy seems to have been pardoned by our brand new president to be a part of a brand new government. The fuck is going on in this country.
21:22
Corruption charges brought against anti-corruption bureau chief.
Also the same president declined to formally accept new judges elected for Constitutional Tribunal by the previous parliament.
Do you want to have a dictatorship, Poland? Because this is how you get a dictatorship.
Oh, did I mention that our new Prime Minister... didn't herself choose her ministers? That's right, her political party's chief did that.
Put Bartek in charge.
he'll demand haskell be taught to all highschool students
did you hear about the British Lord recently?
FWIW this country would fare better than now (the new govt isn't even officially accepted yet!) with Bartek in charge.
21:24
he was the head of the Parliamentary Standards Committee, and he was caught spending his Lords allowance (£200 a day) on hookers and blow, literally.
@Puppy It's more £300/day :)
@Prismatic That's better than a witch hunt for people who allegedly assassinated a president (when he died in a plane crash).
20 minutes into Pixels and I already love it.
(plus I love the fact you can appear to get it by signing in, then going to the bar to drink tax-payer subsidised champagne and fine foods - then sod off home with having done f* all anyway)
plane crashes can certainly be artificial
21:26
No, seriously, our new president endorsed people saying "I saw how a barn explodes, so I know that that plane exploded from an explosive charge".
Ven
Ven
.oO( @sehe's the only thing on earth that's more cryptic than haskell and perl joined )
@JonClements Personally I would kick out the vast majority, if not all, of them
@Puppy well yeah... keeping only those that know who they are and why they're there would certainly be a fairly effective filtering criteria straight off :p
@JonClements Personally I would only consider a person a viable candidate for the Lords if they are e.g. an exceptional scientist, or have some other great knowledge.
Those kinds of people - yeah... not sure about Lloyd Webber etc... etc...
21:30
I would absolutely eject all politicians and all entertainers without exception.
Also puzzled by a lot of knighthoods/lower honours as well
my new joystick came :3
it's so great
@OmnipotentEntity man that were a lot of compiler errors ;D
@R.MartinhoFernandes Rejoice!
people still use joysticks?
you into flight sims or something
21:38
I have a joystick, along with a rudder pedal and thrust control. But haven't used it in quite a while
@BartekBanachewicz which one did you get
@Borgleader turned out it was a lie :p
@EtiennedeMartel lol, I got 3.14 :P
hahaha I want this
thats brilliant
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Piston logic is awesome.
21:43
@TonyTheLion It doesn't seem to do shit to the bugs though
@melak47 lol, yeah, I haven't even ran it through once yet. Have you been working on my shitty code for the last 4 hours?!
@milleniumbug still a fun toy
@TonyTheLion Flamethrower works best :D
@OmnipotentEntity I got it to compileerr....maybe
@ElimGarak Nuke it from orbit
21:46
does it work on spiders
@TonyTheLion And then you've got salt everywhere.
@melak47 Well, if you're patient I should have it finished sometime next week. I'll let you know when I send the e-mail to gcc-patch
@Prismatic They come for you at night for revenge.
@OmnipotentEntity how did you write all this down without even compiling? :D
21:47
@OmnipotentEntity What are you working on?
@melak47 Well, I can reason about code well enough.
@Morwenn I'm implementing std::variant in std::experimental and sending it to gcc.
@OmnipotentEntity Eh, that means we won't get it before GCC 7 :(
whereupon it'll probably get rejected forever.
@Morwenn when's that scheduled for?
@Morwenn Should I put it in a tr then? I could, I just wasn't sure where it wanted to be.
21:49
@melak47 GCC 6 is probably due in ~6 months, so it will be in one year and a half.
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@TonyTheLion I prefer megawatt lasers.
@Elyse :)
@Morwenn that's a bit late if variant is gonna make c++17 :p
Ven
Ven
@Elyse hi
@melak47 It's not unusual for compilers to ship without all of a standard implemented.
in fact, it's extremely usual.
user1804599
21:50
> 500 Terawatt Laser
@OmnipotentEntity You missed stage 1 for GCC 6. It ended two days ago.
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@Ven hi :3
@Morwenn goddamnit then :/ That's when it was originally due too.
I am annoyed about that.
That's a lot of legalese.
Ven
Ven
@Elyse were where you? :(
21:51
anyway, I have to focus on stupid languages bbiaf
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@Ven playing Minecraft with friends.
Ven
Ven
@Elyse did you get no tities? i.imgur.com/hR7VHHg.jpg
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In a few moments I'll be playing Hedgewars with friends.
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@Ven lol
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@Ven Ooit zal ik grote tieten hebben!
Ven
Ven
21:55
da
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Dan ga ik melk verkopen.
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this is a thing
user1804599
You know what's a thing too? Me.
Ven
Ven
wait, is haskell getting bottomless types? :o
user1804599
Maybe, some day.
user1804599
21:57
What you are talking about is actually a GHC-specific language extension.
user1804599
But in fact, GHC already has bottomless types. They're called unlifted types. You just can't define them yourself. The new extension you're talking about does allow user-defined bottomless types.
Ven
Ven
unlifted. not unlifed
@Jefery ^ were you the one complaining about auto-tupling and stuff?
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@Ven wtf
Ven
Ven
@Elyse "shit, I was quite wrong, better fix that so that no one sees it" :P you spoke a bit too fast
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@Ven Is it due to @specialized?
Ven
Ven
21:59
also I was wrong by omitting "user-defined" in my first message
@Elyse I have absolutely no clue. That's from Paul Philips's twitter
@Elyse explanation: "Tuple2 is specialized, Tuple3 isn't. In Tuple2 actual Doubles are being compared, in Tuple3 boxed ones."
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Yes, I know. He's been tweeting screenshots of code (ugh) since a few days.
Ven
Ven
I love it when he tweets crazy scala stuff :D
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@fredoverflow how to teach C++ to RPG fans:
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C++ features should cost mana. std::vector should be 1 mana, playable on the first turn. Pointers should be 6 mana. volatile should be 20.
@Ven That really should not make a difference like this.
Ven
Ven
22:01
@Puppy scala will cut itself with every tool it can find in the shed.
yes shed
Ven
Ven
@Puppy look. Its equality shit is even worse than php's twitter.com/extempore2/status/664966683224768512
@Puppy thanks!
user1804599
@Ven No, not really worse than PHP's.
user1804599
It's only bugs due to edge-cases with NaN and negative zero.
Ven
Ven
@Elyse ok, not really worse than PHP's. still.
user1804599
22:05
I think Scala's standard library is really poorly designed.
Ven
Ven
it's based on smalltalk's.
user1804599
It should use type classes in far more places. Especially collections. It shouldn't define its own counterparts to Java classes that do the job fine already (such as numerics).
user1804599
Optimising boxed numbers to unboxed ones shouldn't affect the APIs at all. It should be completely transparent.
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> LinkedIn: Pokemon for adults.
Ven
Ven
@Elyse maybe slip will make the stdlib improve :(
22:09
alright
successfully uploaded Wide build artifacts.
now to just set them as public..
Ven
Ven
The new github look seems to be much better
I agree
makes much more sense too
user1804599
Yeah. Named tabs (like long ago) are very nice.
@Ven what new look
Ven
Ven
@Elyse idk why they changed it. It was so much better!
They should collapse the commits/language color bad with the description tbh
22:17
One boxing tweets is a real pain
Fuck it.
holy shit dat background
user406009
Also, the spell check lines are a tad hilarious.
@Puppy Yeah, I had to tunnel vision on the tweet to keep my eyes intact
what background
user406009
Why doesn't twitter just let people post more characters?
user406009
22:21
Then people wouldn't have to play the game of taking screenshots.
user406009
And then posting those screenshots.
Better question is why people use twitter
user406009
@milleniumbug Because other people use twitter.
user406009
It's turtles all the way down.
user406009
@milleniumbug Clearly we need to make a new site. Call it RealTalk. Only allow people to post selfies with text on them.
user406009
22:24
All conversations will just be a sequences of selfies.
You should try blogs. These are like twitter except not limited to 140 chars
@Lalaland That's no excuse.
user406009
Anyone willing to "invest" money in my billion dollar idea?
no
also dollars lol you peasant
user406009
No, "billion dollar" is being used as an adjective.
user406009
22:26
So you don't pluralize it.
no
I was referring to your choice of currency, not your grammar
yeah clearly zlotys are better
stop being such a lrio
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@milleniumbug Watch out how you talk about LRiO buddy! xD
LRiO was very toxic, and there's just no other way to state it.
Corey Taylors voice <3
Well, Pixels was entertaining.
eeeeexcellent
The download speed is atrocious, though, 150 KB/s
sue Amazon
22:41
its fast here
Oh, wait, I am downloading something else as well that's hogging bandwidth, nevermind.
I hate downloading 14+ GB shit, I forget it is there.
what you downloading?
Extents for Garageband, string samples etc
22:43
ah
your graphics magic
just played the ds9 theme on it, sounds gr8. Music, Tony :D
Basically, allows me to have this to an extent, minus their ego:
presumably also their salaries
ah right
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@ElimGarak Skyrim!
22:51
huh... so Blade Runner 2 looks to be going ahead... what else has Ford not gone back to in a while?
I hope they don't fuck it up, though.
They could make a fourth indiana jones!
good 11PM UTC, Lounge!
22:56
@ElimGarak Dukat is also awesome.
geany is such a good text editor
I loved him in earlier seasons, before he went all pah-wraith & shit. But still awesome even later on :D
@Prismatic do you dream of it?
@ElimGarak fun clip
@jaggedSpire hi :) <3
@TonyTheLion Hi!
22:58
@Nooble where you at?
@jaggedSpire How are you today?
Of course. Sometimes I wake up in a cold sweat after dreaming of a hellish nightmare universe where geany never existed
and I had to use gedit instead
@TonyTheLion Doing histery HW, duh
@TonyTheLion Doin' all right. :)
23:00
> Geany is a lightweight "cross-platform" GUI based text editor
"cross-platform"?
@ElimGarak Yeah, the later Dukat was pretty bad I think.
@melak47 you know, you can run it on multiply platforms
@melak47 interesting quotation mark placement
excessive quotation marks
> I Dream of Jeannie is an American fantasy sitcom starring Barbara Eden as a 2,000-year-old genie and Larry Hagman as an astronaut [wikipedia]
s/Jeannie/geany
23:02
All hands... Battlestations.
Man, I was born 360 years too early.
Data was my fav character in that series
Like a thousand other commanders on a thousand other battlefields, I wait for the dawn <3 Picerd was such a poetic soul.
@ElimGarak yea <3
One of my favorite TNG episodes was when Q showed Picard what his life would've been had he taken no risks.
oh man, Q...
23:09
Their relationship was almost bordering friendship towards the end of the 7th season.
Ghosh we used to have all TNG on DVD
Watched the entire thing multiple times over
I "watch" Star Trek when I work, I don't even pay attention to it anymore, it just makes me feel good to hear their voices in the background, that "insufferable Federation optimism" as Garak puts it. Watched all 7 seasons of TNG, VOY, DS9 and 4 seasons of ENT many times over. It's a "happy" sci-fi show, not many of those around. Everyone turns the future into a gloomy corporate overlord situation or destroys everything or creates monsters, or all of the above.
@BartekBanachewicz and what are you using it for? :D
@melak47 Have you picked a side yet in FO4? :D
23:16
@ElimGarak nope. considering trying to fast travel with danse to the CIT to see his reaction though :p
@melak47 DCS right now
just started my 6th try at landing tutorial
You know what time it is? It's red panda party time! /cc @TonyTheLion @Borgleader
CatIIIb ILS landing, best landing. But I'd recommend rudder and thrust controls as well.
That's a very happy doge!
23:21
@ElimGarak the X52 has three axes IIRC, so should be good on rudder?
@melak47 Nothing like pedals for immersion. :D
it has way more than 3 axes
@ElimGarak ecstatic, I would say
@BartekBanachewicz I mean the stick.
Time to shower and not dry
I HAVE LANDED
omg
@ElimGarak I have the regular one, not the Pro
@BartekBanachewicz The regular one is quite good as well and is not far in price either :D
@ElimGarak i bought it used for €50
Doesn't matter, have X52
Xeo
Xeo
23:31
@LucDanton you might find this interesting: stackoverflow.com/questions/17424477/…
i think the pro has more metal in it
dunno if it actually makes it more durable
mine shows some use but I'd say it was a good deal anyway
@Xeo Hey, at least the divide-and-conquer version made it into libstdc++ :p
@ElimGarak you can buy those cockpit parts separately
which souns kinda cool\
I would love to have a dedicated LCD for the HDI
at least for the HDI and the ADI
Yeah, the instruments are basically identical, but programmable. The casing itself doesn't look particularly durable, though.
so don't crash!
23:34
Crashes in simulators are often anti-climactic, especially Prepar3D (Lockheed Martin's training simulator based on FSX) and FSX :D
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Fucking expensive.
I could buy a couple of 19" LCDs and use those instead
6 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I HAVE LANDED
lol, touchscreens and create a true 21st cockpit.
@BartekBanachewicz those are tiny!
3
23:35
i guess that makes me ready for either "hard landing scenario" or basics of combat
@GregorMcGregor are you that hot
@sehe Well, today's peak is like 28 degrees celsius.
also in other fun facts
Motorcycles are dangerous, yo
so at her funeral, what song does she want played?
23:46
Can I play the DS9 theme?
@ElimGarak so is life, 100% of people who live die
if we were to make our life choices based only on the life expectancy, the lives would be really, really sad
@ElimGarak what what where (product) link?
@sehe do you have a Mac?
Irrelevant to my curiosity.
23:49
@sehe GarageBand is shipped with OSX
Makes sense I guess
@sehe If you're interested in a more premium bit of software, Steinberg Cubase with sample libraries acquired externally.
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I'm going to make a video game.
Magnificent results for a single person, that is. Nothing beats the real deal, but with effort, you can get pretty far.
@ElimGarak is that what it was
23:51
:)))))) when U get a fatal error and you wish it was actually fatal so you dont need to finish
@ElimGarak I've never used anything where the "effort" part seemed reasonable (how does one usefully command 14GiB of sample)
I've tinkered with the Garritan products once
@ElimGarak but the 14 GiB you mentioned were for GB? I'm still curious
could I have a quick clarification, fatal error LNK1169: one or more multiply defined symbols found means I #define something twice right?
@milleniumbug what does it mean? I tried looking it up but I couldn't understand their explainations
23:55
then you won't understand my explanation either
good bye
I'm so happy that this is Oxford's Word Of The Year.
Because now I finally know what it was supposed to mean.
@sehe Yes, Apple has actually done a pretty great job with GarageBand. Many category branches and you can modify the tone to your heart's desire. After recording a single track you can continue to play with it, even switch to a different instrument. And putting it all together has been made easier.
@milleniumbug thanks for your help?
welp
"hard landing" means
> night
> firestorm
> the smallest runway in game
> airport w/o ILS
And the better your audio system is, the more you can appreciate the quality.
23:56
Garageband is one thing that I have never used on my macbook
@StanleyDharan Just go here
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Q: Why aren't my include guards preventing recursive inclusion and multiple symbol definitions?

Andy ProwlTwo common questions about include guards: FIRST QUESTION: Why aren't include guards protecting my header files from mutual, recursive inclusion? I keep getting errors about non-existing symbols which are obviously there or even weirder syntax errors every time I write something like the follo...

@sehe thanls
I am on my windows desktop most of the times
@sehe um, NI sells their samples on a 500GB HDD
@StanleyDharan It's a Q&A that indexes answers to noob questions
@ElimGarak "even switch to a different instrument" - isn't that pretty much a given with computer music (of the midi art variety)?
@BartekBanachewicz um, same question then. I was talking from experience so I'm not sure what you're implying with "um"
23:59
@sehe In a way that doesn't turn it to shit, IME. My favorite instrument right now is the cathedral organ. So much power. :D
@ElimGarak You're making me seriously consider trying it. Once again.

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