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@Borgleader So would you say that your job is high pressure?
@exitc0de No you create Mingw wings.
@CaptainGiraffe hehe
@TonyTheLion Nah, not really. I think most of the pressure comes from me, when I consider I should have finished a task faster.
@exitc0de I think you need to read the rules and please stop help vampiring :) Thanks
where the fuck is the include folder
00:01
@Borgleader heheh, I'm the same.
Though there is definitely pressure from outside sources in my job, because basically they want everything done yesterday.
It saddens me but it seems that I will have to uglify the design of my library :(
I have about 160 exams to grade before monday. That is about 35 hours of work. I'm not sure I'll manage.
@CaptainGiraffe Jee whizz
that seems like a lot
@exitc0de You do what you want. It's your source tree. It's just your job to point g++ to wherever the necessary files are.
@TonyTheLion I can't ask these questions on SO and I have no idea where to start
00:04
@Borgleader :D
Ugh I feel like helping him but you all tell me not to. Decisions, decisions.
I'm a little bit worried. My last talkwith my boss was I didn't grade on time.
@exitc0de But what you're doing is considered being a help vampire. Constantly asking questions that could easily be answered if you just Googled it or read the documentation.
It's like feeding the animals.
@TonyTheLion 'easily'
00:04
it is very much frowned upon in this room
You should see my tabs right now
I know it is
But I am honestly trying to find any information I can
Ok nevermind
@Nooble Except the help vampires are all Canadian geese and will attack you if you stop feeding them, and will bite you when you are feeding them.
@exitc0de I know, I've been there, it takes time and patience to learn programming
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he can catch fish, teach a man that asking the teacher for a fish because he's hungry and doesn't have a fishing net will net him a fish, a man will not stop asking.
@ThePhD I am so jealous! That sounds like amazing fun!
00:07
wow its really windy outside
@TonyTheLion For once the Lion is correct. I takes time and patience.
> For once
???
@ThePhD delicious, delicious devastation.
@TonyTheLion If you come in to the trees...
I just needed to know what to look for
00:08
@TonyTheLion Ok, as usual.
@jaggedSpire ;~;
@ThePhD you know it's tasty
@exitc0de You and @Nooble can make a new room and you can ask him all the questions you want in there, just don't do it in this room please
@jaggedSpire You'll be happy to know that I aced the Kernaugh Map and Boolean Logic portions of the exam.
like oranges and blood, and also souls
@ThePhD :D
00:08
@TonyTheLion We have done, I'm explaining myself.
@exitc0de Then go there
I am
@ThePhD High five!
ok good night all
00:10
@jaggedSpire High fifty, you mean, because that was my grade out of one hundred.
@TonyTheLion Night!
Amazing. Imagine in the future we can have robots that does the same cleaning!
@ThePhD ...was there at least a curve?
@TonyTheLion night
@jaggedSpire Noooot a clue!
I mean, I've had classes where 66/114 meant you were doing pretty awesome, and 88/114 put you at the second highest scoring person in the class behind the genius who got 114/114 grumbles
but those were invariably the weeding classes
MY POINT IS don't lose hope, the class (or individual tests) may be curved to MSVC and back
00:16
@jaggedSpire No curve can save MSVC.
@ThePhD I was more going for implying that MSVC is hell. :P
@jaggedSpire An acceptable translation as well!
though I suppose true hell would be using VC++ with CodeBlocks or a similar quality of IDE.
I should make sandwiches for dinner more often, this is delicious
Ell
Ell
@TonyTheLion night
@TonyTheLion night
00:33
@TonyTheLion night
@TonyTheLion night
@TonyTheLion night
@jaggedSpire Truly from Colorado.
@Nooble this was in your state
Now that the "night" chain is broken, is anyone in Mumble?
Good night all.
00:43
@jaggedSpire After this dinner thing.
@Nooble neato
@jaggedSpire But not the good part.
@Nooble I rather disagree.
@TonyTheLion night
00:45
@jaggedSpire :c
A+ game. The physics iteration step does not change with frame rate.
@Nican They copied gaem /cc @набиячлэвэлиь
@jaggedSpire Koalas kill these fox panda things.
@Nooble no they don't they don't even live on the same continent
nice try though A+
00:52
@jaggedSpire No, but koalas fly there when they migrate.
@Nooble it really is astonishing what you say sometimes.
@jaggedSpire Thanks.
@Nooble :) NP
You know what they say: A koala has the largest brain in the animal kingdom.
Ell
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@Nican holy jesus christ
how the hell
what even
waaat
00:55
@Ell And VSync at 144Hz is 72FPS.
Ell
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.... BETHESDAAAAAAA!!!!!
Largest head you mean ... All that fluffs ...
@chmod666telkitty :)
Hey where can I see my consecutive days again?
Mmmm.
Linear Algebra and Physics exam next week.
My body is sort of ready. I could use some more review.
@ThePhD make it a game! or reward yourself with a game for every two hours of studying you do. :)
01:04
Uglifying my whole library takes some time now .____.
@Morwenn :(
Oh yeah, I forgot to ask.
How's the new job @Morwenn ?
Is the 2.7 python treating you well?
@ThePhD D: what?!?
Fortunately, it does not change anything for the end user, but writing sorters is not as nice as it used to be.
@ThePhD Non-existent.
01:06
At best it will start at the end of the year (if the job is indeed available and nobody takes my place).
Ahh visited 399 days with 15 consecutive.
@Morwenn Ow, really?
(Hello everyone)
I need to resupply my stash of irish cream cappuccino mixtures.
> visited 1165 days, 453 consecutive
@GregorMcGregor Hi.
01:08
I have more consecutive than you had days
@Borgleader :C
Visited 85 days, 85 consecutive
@Nooble ☑ rekt ☐ not rekt
☑ 85 ☐ 86
@GregorMcGregor Well yeah, I probably wouldn't spend the first days of a new job in the Lounge.
01:09
lol you're weak
WEAK
WEAK
Squeak?
First thing I do when getting a new job is putting the Lounge full screen on all 4 monitors
And then inform everyone you won't be doing shit during your tenure. And threaten the nerds to do your work for you. || else.
@GregorMcGregor assuming youll have 4 monitors :)
Then I send a few copies of the transcript to all network printers
And plaster them all over the office
01:11
Where's the part when you shit on Debra's desk?
@GregorMcGregor Well, yeah :D
@Morwenn Oh, dear... Well, hope it holds out!
@ElimGarak Lol.
That's an old one.
Old or not, Debra's a bitch. swallows sadness
Harassment lawsuit!
user406009
01:13
@GregorMcGregor Do you also get photocopies of your ass from the scanner?
Bartek's is larger and prettier
user406009
I mean, if the equipment is there ....
@ThePhD We'll see :p
I am currently eating cookies made in Brittany
yummy
If it comes up later on, you can always claim you were checking for ass cancer after bacon.
01:16
Did you know: Brittany has been elected best country in this side of the Milky Way for the 150th consecutive year
putting chocolate all over the keyboard who cares I don't
user406009
I never eat over my keyboard.
@Lalaland Yet still...
user406009
@Nooble That was dust, not junk.
Lol, one of my tests was outright wrong and should never have passed. How did it pass?
user406009
Maybe you need tests for your tests.
01:18
I'd get them wrong too.
user406009
Then you need tests for your test tests.
user406009
The turtles go all the way down.
testles
tustles
testicles
testificates
user406009
Well, actually I was incorrect.
user406009
01:20
At the very bottom, you have proofs of program correctness.
user406009
Proofs of program correctness are very interesting.
user406009
I wonder if anyone has tried to formally prove the correctness of compilers.
Ell
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@Lalaland they have
there is a "c-like language" compiler written in Coq
which is formally verified
user406009
Well that's nice. My proposal still won despite those "I won't vote for anything Lalaland does because he is an asshole" people.
user406009
It really makes me wonder though. Am I an asshole? How would you even tell?
Ell
Ell
01:31
Who called you an asshole? o.O
@Ell Some asshole.
user406009
@Ell A couple of classmates.
Everything cimpoles with the new design and all the tests pass.
It probably means that I need more tests.
@Lalaland You should what they talk about behind your back, bby.
Rumors have reached Deep Space 9, yo. :D
user406009
Well, the problem is that everyone is the protagonist of their own story.
user406009
01:34
It's hard to see yourself as the villain.
@Morwenn yeeessssss, embrace the paranoia
I am more like the all knowing NPC who explains to the protagonist how everything in the world works because he just bought the thing on Steam.
Deep Cunt 9
And then I get killed by the protagonist because he decided to roll an evil character. And then he gets disappointed because Bethesda made me invincible so that accidental bugs don't ruin the game by killing me. "Elim Garak is unconscious."
Ell
Ell
01:36
@GregorMcGregor excuse your french :O
user406009
@ElimGarak I thought the Fallout franchise didn't do that invincible thing?
Ell
Ell
man llvm is takin it's time to compile
user406009
It's one of the key differences between Fallout and the Elder Scrolls franchises.
@Lalaland In Fallout 4 they fall on their ass and pretend like they're hurt until the current battle is over.
user406009
In Fallout, there are limited resources.
user406009
01:37
In the Elder Scrolls, everything replenishes.
You can kill people in places where developers placed story branching.
Well, one of the largest in-comments discussions I've yet seen (I have seen larger, but this was impressive in how fast it happened) happened today
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Q: Why doesn't the C++ Standard Template Library include a "sort" member function for vectors?

tjwrona1992I noticed that the C++ Standard Template Library contains a sort member function for list objects, but for some reason it does not contain this member function for vectors. This just seems sloppy and inconsistent... Here is a sample to demonstrate: #include <iostream> #include <algorithm> #inc...

user406009
In Fallout, you will eventually run out of bullets, stim packs, etc.
user406009
In the Elder Scrolls, you can always just revisit an old dungeon.
user406009
@jaggedSpire Maybe gasp it was a good question?
01:38
Eh, my implicit conversions to function pointers don't work anymore :(
> calls <algorithm> sloppy and inconsistent
> comments have "32 more comments" below
@Lalaland no, he just insulted the STL and refused to listen to anyone that tried to explain that adding member functions for whatever functionality you might ever want isn't a good thing
it was glorious entertainment
I sometimes forget SO exists. I reach chat by typing "ch" into the address bar.
> It would make sense for all of the STL containers to implement all of those as member functions . These member function implementations would just call their std:: counterparts if they did not do anything special, or in the case of list there would be some special customization in the member function
user406009
Didn't we have a proposal for uniform call syntax?
user406009
To turn a.sort() to sort(a)?
user406009
01:41
That would stop pointless discussions like this.
maybe? I gave a demo implementation of something like that somewhere in that mess, except it was shit because I didn't want to spend time designing a system that figured out the proper function in every situation instead of just most of them
I did mention that it was a proof of concept and therefore shit if he wanted to be fancy, at least. :\
@Lalaland oh neat!
user406009
What compiler did you implement it in?
user406009
Clang?
@ElimGarak you monster
01:45
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@Lalaland nah, just used SFINAE for sort
@ElimGarak not credible
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There are limits.
Justin Bieber will remember this.
Rebecca Black, Rick Astley, that's fine.
Bieber? Fuck no.
01:46
:D
Anyone here love mashed potatoes?
user406009
@Nick Yep.
01:46
@Nick Yeah
user406009
Sprinkle some butter and salt in there.
user406009
And they are wonderful.
Join my team
wrote a sort function that dispatched to a trio of SFINAE functions, first of which called the member function, second of which did sort(begin(cont), end(cont)) and third of which was std::sort(std::begin(cont), std::end(cont))
@Nick hell yes
01:48
like I said, nothing complicated, nothing good
@jaggedSpire You know that the last 2 can be merged into 1 right
With Argument Dependent Fuckup
@Nick Do we get a lifetime supply of mashed potatoes?
Gregor will supply potatoes.
if you supply them, you can have them
I'll supply all the required potatoes and more
@GregorMcGregor I wasn't sure how to go about including the using statements in the decltype that makes the use of the function conditional
01:49
Damn, I want some mashed potatoes. Is any store open at 2:49am? Where did I put my gun?
@jaggedSpire Well we'd have to see your code
so I just made the ADL in the namespace of the container the second, and then faked the using statement by manually including the possible std::sorts, though it misses some cases, I think where std::begin and std::end provide iterators which should use a sort defined in the same namespace
@GregorMcGregor sure
disclaimer I don't know C++
I know C++ applied to GPUs ;_;
Is trailing return the new cool thing.
01:54
@Nooble it's one of the ways to use SFINAE.
@jaggedSpire Haha
user406009
@Nooble It's how you use decltype.
you can also have a defaulted, unnamed template argument
but that's doesn't do quite the same thing
@Nooble Many old C++ coders will tell you it makes the code unreadable.
@Morwenn ...any particular funnings? :P
01:55
CreateObject("Wscript.Shell").Run """C:\Program Files\VcXsrv\vcxsrv.exe""  :0 -ac -terminate -lesspointer -multiwindow -clipboard -noprimary -wgl -silent-dup-error"
CreateObject("Wscript.Shell").Run "cmd /c plink -ssh -X -C [email protected] -pw ***** urxvt -e tmux", 0, True
@Morwenn fuck them
@jaggedSpire You told us to make fun of you :o
@Lalaland Oh. I sorta recall that.
wee, linux terminal on my windows pc
@GregorMcGregor I agree.
01:55
Why not just decltype before the func? Questionable syntax fuckeries.
Pissing off old developers is yet another reason to use them, if not the main one.
I don't like that you still have to type auto though
@Morwenn I did, I'm just hoping there's more to your funnings than pure laughter--I learn an amount proportional to the euclidated reasons behind the laughter. ;-)
user406009
@GregorMcGregor I tend to live with the philosophy that going through life throwing shit at people just makes you an asshole.
auto f() -> int; and not f() -> int;
01:57
@jaggedSpire No, I didn't read the code.
probably resolves some parsing ambiguity though
@Lalaland You suck!
auto main() -> int
user406009
The trailing return people are just being stupid.
user406009
Unless it's actually required.
01:57
@Nooble The names of the parameters are not known if you try to use them in a decltype before the function.
@Nooble you aren't in the scope of the class there, if you're defining a class member function
Being consistent is not a bad thing
@Lalaland You're bad at flamewars bro.
essentially what Morwenn said, but pointlessly more specific. :P
@Lalaland wow you're so close minded I'm sure you voted against same sex marriage
01:58
Ohhhhhh.
Ell
Ell
@GregorMcGregor srsly?
@Borgleader geez. Learned how to handle errors (without line/column info for now, but that's largely unchanged AFAICT).
@JamesMatta Since you removed your question, here's it the X3 version extended with error reporting: Live On Coliru. Note the instances of eps introduced to work around this bug. (See the struggle: part #1, part #2, part #3) — sehe 4 mins ago
@Ell well it's all relative
@Nooble welcome to the Mashed Potatoes team
@Borgleader Sadly, there seems to be the single-element bug that we always had in Qi :(:(:( That cost me abig amount of time
Ell
Ell
01:59
Are you excited for vulkan compute capabilities? (that is c++14 or w/e for yo gpu)
obvs I know nothing
Vulkan compute capabilities?
Ell
Ell
but I thought CUDA doesn't support such recent c++
I'm excited for freesync
CUDA supports C++11 quite well
Lambdas etc
Ell
Ell
Oh right
01:59
I'm excited for sex, food and sleep
Ell
Ell
I stand erected corrected
@nick Why'd you chanhe your avatar?

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