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@milleniumbug localized excel is cool, huh? :D
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And also the law of annihiliation.
@Ell nobody says "I want to decode a json" so there's one side
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Not sure about these two:
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a * (b + c) = (a * b) + (a * c)
(a + b) * c = (a * c) + (b * c)
I use deserialize when it has the serialize dual in an application development context only
the program I write serializes/deserializes json
19:00
@Elyse You can trivially check these can't you
the program I use outputs/parses json
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Yeah, I'd do it in 10 seconds if I had Coq still installed.
I sometimes use parse when writing too actually hmm
@melak47 it's dumb as hell
@melak47 The. Literal. Worst. Thing. Ever.
@milleniumbug This helps immensely
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19:04
Prelude> [(a && (b || c)) == ((a && b) || (a && c)) | a <- [True, False], b <- [True, False], c <- [True, False]]
[True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True]
Prelude> [((a || b) && c) == ((a && c) || (b && c)) | a <- [True, False], b <- [True, False], c <- [True, False]]
[True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True]
good evening
@Elyse Because true+true is 2 in C++? ;)
@Elyse Because && and || involve a contextual conversion to boolean.
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oh, PureScript has instance semiringConj :: (BooleanAlgebra a) => Semiring (Conj a) and instance semiringDisj :: (BooleanAlgebra a) => Semiring (Disj a).
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19:15
I have coq installed
But no ide
I can't use without IDE yet
@Prismatic Amazing how many of those points I can slap Walter with in the face ;p
Who's walter
he's like, "Oh hey, no other language has as good C++ bindings as us!"
Saw that
> Go is so out of depth it doesn't even get the point
heh.
that dude needs to build more tanks
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@Prismatic awesome
@Prismatic I'd add that error handling in Go is quite annoying and error-prone
how do I join the team please tell me I'm excited
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ah
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@Nooble lemme join #nooble2016
huh? what are those teams for? group answering?
> Tech Stack
> [tag:msvc] [tag:c99]
or closing questions on spot
19:28
@Nooble m8 add me im the best u kno it
&:&:&: :*:*::* XD
You know what to do, @Nooble
@Nooble add me to the team :)
@Nooble Invite me to Lounge<C++> bitch
@Nooble come on man don't hold us like that
what advantages does being in a SO Team bring?
19:30
@TonyTheLion depends, is Nooble inside the team?
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community spirit <4
@Nooble JUST... DO IT!
@Nooble come on nooble!
@TonyTheLion No idea. Probably negative, really. But who cares? It can't be Lounge<C++> without a barking puppy
19:30
@Nooble the suspense is killing us!
inb4 nooble 500 notifs
@Nooble MOoooVE IN!
@Puppy heh true :)
@Nooble quick man
@AlexM. take a while before he beats @Mysticial in notifications
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19:31
@TonyTheLion none
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empty set
@No
@No plz
@No just do it
@No Redeploy, forward position!
@No NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE
@Nooble where are you man in school jesus christ fuck school you got a lounge to run
@AlexM. the Lounge
19:32
@Nooble what the guy said
how do I make a team
@TonyTheLion woof woof bitch
so what are the teams for?
your mother's face
@Borgleader join our team man <3
19:34
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Q: The Power of Teams: A Proposed Expansion of Stack Overflow

HynesUpdate A follow-up to this post has been made here: "The Goal of Teams: Our Follow-Up to Your Questions" TL;DR: We're proposing a new area called Teams. The goal is to allow groups (of varying sizes) to publicly share about themselves (who they are and what they build) on Stack Overflow. Con...

@Borgleader yea join the team ask @Nooble
@Puppy mothers always come into it for you eh
preferably other people's lets face it
@Elyse Can you add me too?
@Nican rightfold isn't even in the team
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19:34
No.
@Abyx thanks
> give users of Stack Overflow a way to showcase their team projects and achievements on a shared page
lol, "relationships"
As a Lounge what have we achieved?
we could showcase Wide
19:36
@TonyTheLion infamy
and mark it as puppy's work
ofc
Wide was made by one person, who happens to be a resident here
its a Lounge achievement per se
I wonder if we'd be able to gather up for a project without killing each other
and does it transcend the bastions of human achievement?
yes.
yes I do transcend the bastions of human achievement.
19:37
start a project, put bartek in, wait for hilarity to ensue
are you kidding me?
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@TonyTheLion kyrostat
@Ell that's an achievement?
@Nooble I want to be in @TonyTheLion's team.
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;)
@AlexM. we can't gather up full stop
19:38
@TonyTheLion we don't need achievements man
teams are good to give names to groups of people so they identify themselves with
@AlexM. we just need the sense of community and love <3
@AlexM. didnt you guys design some 3d game engine thing
I didn't
@Prismatic erm not that I'm aware
I don't remember anything like it
19:39
that's because it was a complete fail
hey puppy
to be completely historically accurate
oh lol someone flagged that
Kyrostat was a thing I worked on for myself for a bit
then other people were bitching about wanting to make a game
yeah kyrostat
who is scrubbins tho
19:40
and I was like "hey bitches, I has a thing we can start with, it's not much"
did you change your name
then they were like "OMFG LET'S GO, YAY PUPPY!"
@Scrubbins and then rip
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I'm fucking bored.
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What should I do?
19:40
@Prismatic nah it's puppy
or are you just extra old shool
@Elyse fuck?
some smartass flagged his rightfold's comment
so puppy's suspended
19:41
then then in the next millisecond they were like "Wait, supporting multiple plats and compilers is hard?! I'm outta here!"
Still have a flagging problem eh
I think the mods must've added rightfold's * to some sort of blacklist that autosuspends tho
rightfold's clothing.
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i.params.dx.dx = (unsigned char)((*data_itr++)<< 2) >> 2;
I love this readability
rightfold's oxygen.
19:41
@AlexM. I doubt it
someone flagged it
@Elyse play games
rightfold's video collection.
rightfold's vanguard
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???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Did you guys read about Google's machine learning dealio thing
I don't really think this is occurring.
19:42
TensorFlow
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yeah I did
I had an idea for a project it would be good for I think. I dont really know anything about ML (I forgot everything I learned in school lol) so I'm not entirely sure... but I wanted to make an AI for an old school fighting game
so hungry
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> The Vanguard Group is an American investment management company based in Malvern, Pennsylvania, that manages approximately $3.0 trillion in assets.
yogurt doesnt help
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19:43
That's a lot in assets.
but i must endure
hunger is just fat trying to hurt back
huh
travis offers free CI for open source projects?
I'm there.
at some point tomorrow
Unlike platformers or games that allow lots of freedom of movement and 'open world' play, fighting games are kinda limited in scope. I think it would be interesting to use TensorFlow to create an AI for something liek Street Fighter
And the best part
There are active communities that play these games through something called Fightcade
So you can train against real people!
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youtube.com/watch?v=hvOTiQKkQMo holy balls this is terrible
@Prismatic I'd be more interested in making a SC:BW AI personally speaking.
19:46
SC AIs are good too. I think it'd be much harder though
so what you're saying is that you're a lazy fucker
No shit
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do not.
I'll probably start with pong or something though since I really have no idea what Im doing
19:48
whistles
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Hello
hi
@fredoverflow where'd you get that photo of me
I googled "Pong tutorial".
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guess I'll just go play Portal
Lounge, what do you think about this GSL issue - github.com/Microsoft/GSL/issues/171 ? I wholeheartedly agree that sizes should be signed, but since the std. lib already uses size_t, signed size would produce a lot of casts to suppress compiler warnings.
20:01
@Abyx neilmacintosh is right.
@TonyTheLion Well, it's not dead
@набиячлэвэлиь its deader than dead
@sehe Doxygen allows you to make your own custom 'directives' so to speak. Sphinx allows you to do that also.
@caps I would agree if I wouldn't get compiler warnings in GSL tests, e.g. here - github.com/Microsoft/GSL/blob/master/tests/…
@Abyx The test is written wrong. It should do a static_cast
20:05
My guess is that they made a @liveexample markup thing. If they aren't using Doxygen though then iunno.
@Rapptz did you finish your fancy doc tool
@Prismatic it works
@caps well duh. but that's the whole point that signed size() would require casts like everywhere
20:07
@Rapptz neat, link?
I still have not made a git repo.
@Abyx You have to do that anyway when working with the stdlib.
welp I'm yet to use GSL in my code, so I can't really tell how severe the issue is
It's not like you go around using unsigned ints just because that's what you get from .size()
@caps nope, stdlib uses size_t everywhere
20:08
auto
@caps Actually I do.
auto. auto saves lives.
I use auto, size_t, or unsigned int.
@caps exactly because of that
otherwise unsigned ints are useful only for bitwise operations
btw
> The maximum addressable distance from a pointer can always be represented by std::ptrdiff_t
is that true?
I don't see how is that possible on e.g. x86-32
20:11
@Abyx Yes. stdlib uses size_t everywhere, but you don't use unsigned int everywhere, so when your ints compare to the stdlib's sizes, you do a static_cast
It's just an int32_t on x86 and int64_t on x86_64
Check the standard
for(decltype(whatever)::size_type i = 0; i < whatever.size(); ++i)
@набиячлэвэлиь well... you just can't have an array of size 0x80000001
@milleniumbug decltype(whatever.size())
20:15
no
malloc takes size_t, so I can do malloc(0x80000001u)
but then I can't use ptrdiff_t for that size
@Abyx ...and it won't necessarily succeed :P
true
hmm
you guys recommend any particular VM implementation?
@Scrubbins What for?
20:19
VMPlayer is quite fast, but I found it problematic to use on Windows host with multiple guest monitors and sound card
VirtualBox is neither open source (that is, it apparently is, but Oracle), nor super-fast, but it's quite compatible and relatively stable
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okay I've confused myself just now
in C, what does *myval give where myval is of type T?
Possibly cv-qualified T&
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right, my c++ brain says it returns T&
but C doesn't have &
lvalue reference
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so how do you do (*myptrptr)++ in C? :P
a little toy experiment :D
@StackedCrooked code code path?
thanks :D
@Ell (*myptrptr)++
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20:24
@набиячлэвэлиь right, but it's weird innit?
> The unary * operator denotes indirection. If the operand points to a function, the result is a function designator; if it points to an object, the result is an lvalue designating the object.
C99 standard
@Ell Pointer derefs are lvalue-refs, as @mill pointed out
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@milleniumbug kewl
@Prismatic So, Google Go is not a silver bullet afterall.
who would have thought
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20:29
C++ and Go have entirely different use-cases.
@набиячлэвэлиь Want to test some Linux build scripts/stuff for Wide
@Scrubbins See @milleniumbug's reccomendations above
yikes
20:31
@Elyse Huh?
@Rapptz Now you can download porn even faster!
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C++ is for CPU-bound applications. Go is for I/O-bound applications. Both are terrible at the other.
@wilx I dont think anyone ever thought it was a silver bullet for anything
@Rapptz over here they keep increasing speeds but decreasing allowed bandwidth usage
yeah that's what I'm worried about
speed is irrelevant if it fucks over my bandwidth
this guy used to hang around here
Id rather they use all the money the government gives them to make the caps much larger... but that wouldn't let them charge people insane overages
I'm at $4/gb now. Tell me with a straight face that isn't straight up villainy
20:37
it's not straight up villany; it's pure market monopolization
Mar 12 '13 at 20:45, by Tony The Lion
> A template parameter pack that is a parameter-declaration whose type contains one or more unexpanded parameter packs is a pack expansion.
C++ welcomes you
@TonyTheLion Try saying that three times fast
@TonyTheLion That sounds far more complicated than it actually is.
@Columbo I think thats how its phrased in the standard, IIRC
there was a time where I was reading the standard :/
I know, sad
@TonyTheLion Yeah.
20:39
Dexter is pretty nice
@Jefffrey I should try that series
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@Jefffrey Thanks! :)
heard a lot of good things about it
Try Columbo first.
@Puppy would try your mother's face
20:40
I love those "guy/girl hating each other at first, then getting to know each other deeply and falling in love" stories
@Jefffrey kind of cliche, but it is nice
Like "The Last of Us"
its like Loungers
@Scrubbins Exploiting a monopoly seems kinda evil imo. We have two major providers here, they conveniently have the same prices and similar caps
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20:41
I need to write a coliru shell script
@TonyTheLion inb4 Don Larynx
That's more of a daughter/father relationship
Probably hits home more
what happened with don laryx
did I miss out on drama
But yeah, try Columbo too.
@Jefffrey tsun tsun
20:41
@Jefffrey Thanks :')
it's best if they don't hate each other only one of them
It looks like a old boring TV show, but it's actually better than 98% of what's on TV right now.
I'd recommend at least 1 episode. If you don't like the character you won't watch the rest.
Partly because of Falk's charming performance.
Yeah, he nailed that part.
Yep. He is so sympathetic
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20:43
I think you mean sociopathic.
Later episodes aren't as good though, I'd recommend earlier ones.
@Elyse We should marry.
The stories are particularly good. Nothing is black/white.
It's something we have apparently lost in recent TV series.
@Jefffrey You watch TV?
Take CSI for example. You pretty much always have "Cops = Good guys" and "Bad guys" that are punished by sending them to jail.
@Jefffrey fucking TLOU. Welcome to the express train to Feeladelphia. (inb4 @Rapptz hating on TLOU)
20:45
@Jefffrey Btw., have you seen Heat?
@Jefffrey or subjected to bad puns
I love that game, but damnit for playing with muh feelings :(
In Columbo every murderer is shown for the person he/she actually is and at the very begging you are suffering with him through the decision he makes or you at least get to understand his motives.
@AlexM. did somebody say bad puns?
@Jefffrey Not always true. Some murderers are genuine, perfidious killers, but some are really having solid reasons for their deed.
20:46
@Borgleader awww
@Columbo I just remembered the title of one episode: "A friend in deed". It's one of the few puns the creators made in the early seasons's titles.
@Borgleader ikr
@Columbo Not yet
@Columbo I watch TV series/shows
@Jefffrey I think I read somewhere they were making a sequel? Not sure how I feel about that...
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A friend in need.
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21:04
Imagine farting while wearing a burqa.
@Jefffrey That's a movie that doesn't really assign bad or good roles, though the criminal is certainly more likeable. Has a fatalistic ending.
@Jefffrey I stopped watching TV years ago. Hated the ads. Hated the content.
@Elyse I thought about it, let's not marry
@Elyse how does that thought enter your mind?
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@TonyTheLion No idea.
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But you should imagine it regardless.
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So go wear a burqa and start imagining farting.
21:09
lol
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> Christ Reluctantly Enters Area Man’s Heart
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indeed
Got my copy of "The Elements of Programming Style" today:
^ 1978 edition. How timeless the advice is :)
Holy fucking shit, Fallout 4 performs a shitload of draw calls which would even Nooble isolate with frustum culling.
Ell
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21:21
@StackedCrooked wow yeah
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@StackedCrooked Is that FORTRAN code?
I think so.
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Should an old functional language be called FUNTRAN? For "function translation."
FUNCTRANS
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TRANSSEXUAL
21:23
no
That's not a programming language, @Elyse.
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:[
Maybe FUN though.
November 11 is a national holiday here.
So tomorrow I got a day off.
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@StackedCrooked why
Wapenstilstandsdag op 11 november is een jaarlijkse herdenking van het einde van de Eerste Wereldoorlog. In België en Frankrijk is Wapenstilstandsdag een nationale feestdag. In België wordt sinds 1922 ieder jaar op deze dag, in aanwezigheid van de Koning, de wapenstilstandsceremonie gehouden aan het Graf van de onbekende soldaat, eerst om de slachtoffers van de Eerste Wereldoorlog te gedenken, maar nadien ook die van de Tweede Wereldoorlog en alle andere oorlogen in de wereld. Ook in het Verenigd Koninkrijk en het Britse Gemenebest wordt uitgebreid bij deze dag (Remembrance Day of Armistice Day...
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cool
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21:25
we have king's day :(
Xeo
Xeo
so, I just made some unconventional "lasagna".
without ricotta cheese or noodle sheets
used cream cheese and ham / turkey slices instead
@StackedCrooked Let your compiler do the simple optimisations.
People still dont do that, were slow to learn arent we?
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My favourite music video:
Also, may I ask why you bought such an old book?
21:34
@Borgleader yeah
@Borgleader I pride myself in building a collection of classics.
It looks good on my shelf :)
I see. I think the oldest book I bought was "The Mythical Man Month" 25 yr edition?
Cool. I should get that one too :D
I also got his other book (The Design of Design I think it was called) but I didnt find it as interesting. Not bad, but it was more abstract than the first.
I thought your face.
@Borgleader I certainly do.
21:49
@exitc0de lol
Just reading reddit
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@exitc0de Humans are too expensive.
@Elyse Its a beta
@Elyse They might use humans in a beta for PR while they actually work on the AI
i.imgur.com/y2PpAg7.jpg "Why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?" - Tim Cook
because they're cheaper?
because they have better software?
longer lifespans and better hardware?
I don't agree with him
21:57
or in other words, better in basically every respect I can imagine?
Obviously I don't agree with him
I'm merely providing some answers to his question
@ElimGarak /cc @Nooble
Tim Cook is a fucking moron.
and worst of all, runs terrible software

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