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22:00
noooo its monday
I don't want to go to work
Virtual cuddles for everyone.
@AlexM. best day, plenty of time to write code
@JohanLarsson That's everyday.
still 1.5 mos until my holiday
@Morwenn true but mondays feel special
22:09
blimey, and Innovation flattens Zest again in the 3rd game
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Cirtual vuddles for everyone.
Vurtual ciddles (Cicada cuddles).
Vodka pillow
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@Ell How's life
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22:19
@Columbo it's okay
I'm just finishing a haskell assignment
or attempting to
@Ell Much work?
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Lots of work :'(
@Ell I'm just finishing an SML assignment :D
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I have Linear Circuits test on tuesday
which is 5%
but this assignment is 9%
@Ell Of what?
@Ell Havin' tests already?
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22:20
Of the end of year unit score
@Columbo yup :/
@Ell 9% for one sole assignment?
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@Columbo Yes
We have one every week until christmas
@Ell that shit is trivial
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Only of the Unit grade though
meh it's only 9%
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22:21
9% is a lot
you coul dhave a 9% test every month and still need an exam at the end of it
@Puppy Did you go to uni
yes.
I stand in awe.
why? it's a complete waste of time and money
22:22
^ this
@Puppy So is life
not really.
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@Puppy It isn't
It increases your chance of employment
It is a fun experience
You get to meet like minded individuals
you're right, that's unfair to most other complete wastes of time and money.
you'd probably get a better experience spending three years pretending to be a table.
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you're just like bartek in this respect
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22:23
@Puppy Yes, it is. There's nothing to life.
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Uni wasn't for you
but it's not like that for everyone
it's not that it wasn't for me
it's that I don't see how it could possibly have any practical benefit for anybody.
@Puppy Ouch, someone got a Desmond, huh?
wat
In some cases it teaches things you'll need for your job
I might agree that it's not the case for some of the more theoretical subjects
Algorithm analysis is important. Preconditions/Postconditions/Invariants are important.
@Ell Well, when you're in £50k of debt and can't afford to buy a house because the rent is so high you can't make a deposit, then you tell me if spending a bunch of money getting flattened was worth it.
Unit testing is important.
Concurrency is important.
we didn't study any of those at university, realistically.
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@Puppy I won't be in £50k of debt bruv
22:25
How a computer works is relatively important. Just like operating systems.
I'm certainly not since I got in before tuition fees got jacked up ;p
That's what we study here.
fuk I have to go finish college too
And I can go on.
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@Puppy could you teach yourself astrophysics?
22:26
In fact I forgot my favorite subject of all: databases and the relational model.
if I actually wanted to, probably
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@Puppy do you want to learn anything difficult atm?
parser error recovery
@Ell I believe everybody can learn anything if he/she has the time and patience for it
tougher than it sounds.
22:27
@Ell: You are wasting your key strokes on @Pu.
In fact, going to university might even be slower in some cases.
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yeah I'll just leave it
besides
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@Jefffrey time, patience, commitment, effort, I agree
I don't really give a shit how difficult a thing is to learn
I only give a shit about how much benefit it has
22:27
@wilx why'd you edit it? the message was so self-referential and fun
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uni fills in some of your shortcomings by providing a place where you have lectures and big libraries etc.
plz revert
and the university course that I sat had basically none.
@Ell Both of those are superseded by The Internets
@wilx Revert request.
@Puppy this
22:28
@milleniumbug lol, I did not realize that. :D
Lectures cannot be paused or sped up
@Puppy In all seriousness, that's bullshit. I'm actually enjoying my stay very much so far, just like everyone else I know. Sure, it's lots of work, but it broadens my mind and will leave me with a BA Hon., so it's very, very far from a waste of time or money
I rarely find myself on the same speed as a lecture.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, done.
Sometimes it goes too fast, sometimes too slow.
Maybe that's just my experience.
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22:29
@Puppy Who do you think produces the material that ends up on the internet? :P
@Ell why even pick astrophysics
I learned useful stuff in university nanananana
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@AlexM. bcus its h4rd
@Columbo Indeed. Since you're American, the debt you'll come out with is probably more in the range of hundreds of thousands of dollars, so you'd need a hell of a lot more than I did to actually get remotely close to value for money.
@Puppy American? Wtf?
22:30
@Ell so is knowing most things about programming and I'd argue it's a better goal for us :P
@Ell So far, it seems that it's mostly bored professionals or researchers.
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@Puppy he's german, he's practically paid to do it ;)
oic
well, that's not strictly true, since you're paying taxes to fund it.
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I'm kidding, I'm ignorant of their system.
for three years of your life and a shitload of money, you should get a hell of a lot more out of it than a few nights wasted at a club.
22:32
@Puppy Not yet. :p But I do get a good amount from a Bursary and the German Government, so I'll solely have to repay tuition fees, which isn't an extraordinary amount
you know you can just work while studying right
you could do, but it'll be nowhere near as useful as just working.
@AlexM. Not at my Uni, it's forbidden
@AlexM. That is hard.
I only attended a total of 40 hours combined last year
I have to go one year extra for 4 more exams but
you get the idea
22:32
@Puppy I do.
Dunno about your experiences.
well, it's not impossible that German universities actually teach things worth learning
@AlexM.: You should be treating university studies as your own full time job.
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@Puppy I get much more also
@Puppy you nub
I'll wait for you to be filled in
but the British university I attended did not even introduce algorithmic complexity until the back half of the third year.
@wilx yeah because it sure pays like my own full time job
22:33
@R.MartinhoFernandes now now, don't spoil his mockery, it makes him feel less bad about how hard he sucks
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@Puppy I've had that from the 1st week
and that was only for the dedicated compsci students, not the compsci/information studies stuff.
@Columbo It's always the same. Anecdotes and strawmen. Don't bother.
@AlexM. Well, if you cannot afford not to, then you have to. But if you can avoid it, avoid it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't you see that it doesn't matter whether or not it's anecdotal?
22:34
@wilx I actually avoided it for a year
it's a publically funded, effectively mandatory system.
it should be strictly regulated and highly effective.
but limiting myself to my parents budget was just not a thing I was a fan of
it should not be possible for it to be so bad, anywhere.
the fact that it is simply demonstrates the complete lack of effective oversight in this country.
I'm perfectly ok with lots of $$$ and a delayed degree
it's just like UB- just because it happened to work for someone doesn't mean it ain't broke.
if you get an AV one time and the next you don't, you don't walk it off as anecdotal.
22:35
actually the only reason I want that degree is because the workplace is pushing me to get it, it's beneficial for both me and the employer
since programmers don't pay the 16% of the salary tax in Romania
back
@sehe Haha wat
I'm just here in my ivory tower with the other lucky folks who learned stuff vOv
@AlexM. Hahahahaha
22:37
@Borgleader There's some X3 things that I find really unintuitive and cripple my workflow (I can't easily using namespace x3; without polluting larger namespaces e.g.) and hence I end up writing more convoluted code in x3 than qi... :(
1 hour ago, by sehe
And I've completed 3 competing implementation in the grand old tradition of over-kill answers: live coding session (experiment) — sehe 7 secs ago
for context
Another day another 20 CVEs in OpenJDK
In all seriousness, keep it up, great stuff! — Columbo 23 secs ago
thanks
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Nothing -> solved
Just i ->
    | i `mod` 4 == 0 = []
    | otherwise = []
^is there some way I can do this but syntactically correct?
I have more conditions than this and I want to avoid if..else
22:51
@TonyTheLion where are you my lovely <3
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actually ignore me I'll think of something better. Maybe
@Ell dat pun
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:P
It's also the truth
Just saying
@jaggedSpire i found a cannibal cat
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22:54
but really I want that Maybe gone :(
it comes from elemIndex
but if the item isn't in the array, the programme is UB
by my definition
@Borgleader std::cuteness_overflow
@Ell what is it that you're trying to do exactly?
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check whether i in Just i satisfies i mod 4 == 0
also check 3 other conditions
Why doesn't (!!) return a Maybe a btw?
(!!) is difficult to google :S
23:11
google: haskell lists
go to page
Ctrl + F
type in "!!"
Or you know just use Hoogle instead
THE AMAZEME NT ENS
Just don't use !!
@Ell Why
@Borgleader I'm here baby <3
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@CatPlusPlus it is more readable I think
but nvm
23:16
@Ell are you trying to escape the monad there? (willing to do fromJust?) - you shouldn't
lol
that sounded like
"do not run away from the monad"
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@ScarletAmaranth Yeah I was unsure. But I think I've decided now what I want
"let the monad enter you"
"you must be one with the monad"
@Ell once you enter the Maybe monad, you can just fmap over it if you want to apply f to whatever it's holding
I yoauned
23:30
@TonyTheLion <3
So I went to visit so flats today (is flat the right word if you own it rather than rent it?)
@Borgleader Did you have a flat map?
if you own it you call it elevated
@Borgleader and did you find anything?
@TonyTheLion The first place I visited was above my budget sadly, but it was a really nice place (5th floor, great view, "big" common area), the second one I can afford, but the view isnt so great and its a bit smaller, also I dont like the location of it as much.
@Borgleader ah cool. Are you renting or buying?
23:35
I'm looking to buy atm.
@Morwenn I did have a map, and it's printed on something flat so yeah.
@Borgleader if I may be so curious, are you alone or do you have a girlfriend?
ah I see. like me then
23:44
I can't believe Twitch is installing Arch Linux
i dont think they will succeed, well, they will when people lose interest and only a few are left
I wouldn't try to install arch linux on my own
let alone do what twitch does
id ask @Ell to do it for me, he's a pro now :P
23:46
lol -3 deg outside
y no early snow plx
10C here
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@Borgleader it's gentoo m8, get on my level ;)
same here
This chat is so weird, when I first joined everyone is happy to be autistic loners, nowadays for some reasons, someone started doing something, and having a relationship becomes so all mightily important. A herd of programmers. Fitting in is so important on this chat, it's sad.
i suck at typing /cc @Morwenn :P
23:47
Installing Arch is trivial
@Borgleader <3
<3
where @ScottW? <3<3<3<3
@Borgleader ♥♥♥
@chmod711telkitty That's not really surprising. Many people evolve in this frame of mind.
I'm going to have some chocolate
a phone with a physical keyboard!!!
@TonyTheLion Marzipan chocolate?
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I've found my new favourite programming layout
@AlexM. What a shockingly novel concept
I'd buy it, it looks cool
23:52
@Morwenn Swiss dark chocolate
@TonyTheLion Sweetened cacao? :p
@Morwenn yea with nuts
@TonyTheLion *-*
23:53
@Ell how do you even find things there
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@AlexM. find things?
it looks scary
@AlexM. std::find
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my emacs modeline thing is messed up atm
how embarrassing
Oh god emacs.
23:54
oh ell oh ell
what is embarassing is youre using emacs :P
Ell is turning into a gentell person.
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What's wrong with emacs? :P
@Nooble hi
Haha get it gentoo.
23:55
@Ell vim rulez
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vim sux
@Ell It scares koalas.
nooble sux
@TonyTheLion hi
@TonyTheLion nahhhhh
@Nooble :)
monday tomorrow
not sure how I feel about that
23:56
Yeah I know right :c
try to stay positive
Going to friend's house on Tuesday because election day!
@Nooble But youre not old enough to vote for trump
Trump <3
@Borgleader "Cast your whole vote; not a strip of paper merely, but your whole influence".
23:58
you do need to be very old to think about voting for trump
preferably one day or so away from death
so you don't experience the aftermath
@AlexM. The aftermath is death.
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@Nooble it's easier than vim for noobs imho
vim has quite a steep learning curve
like C++
C++ was my first language.
you know what annoyed me about emacs
how I couldn't spam ctrl + s to save
23:59
poor nooble
I had to ctrl + x -> ctrl + s

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