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15:00
milliseconds matter
Xeo
Xeo
prolly even nanoseconds
Why would using a direct connection to a SQL database be inferior to providing a REST API over it and using the REST API instead?
Ell
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I need to give vbox more cores
user406009
Yes, but there are strategies to ignore garbage collection.
user406009
Object pooling, etc, etc.
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15:02
@Jefffrey it wouldn't imho
user406009
@Jefffrey Usually people use the REST API inside of a place where they can't directly access the database, such as JavaScript.
user406009
Also, a REST API allows you to add some security.
@Lalaland There are no libraries for making a connection to a database?
@Lalaland How so?
user406009
@Jefffrey JavaScript doesn't have TCP sockets. You usually need TCP sockets in order to connect to a database.
user406009
@Jefffrey You can verify that a user can only modify their records.
15:03
@Lalaland I've read row level security is being added to PostgreSQL
user406009
In other words, you can do security on a row by row level, while SQL security is usually restricted to table level.
In the meantime you can just provide modifications via procedures with all the security you want
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@Columbo I'm going to epic fail at this comp looking at the challenger series :V
how to learn c# fast or is there any block programming method — Suyog Patil 11 mins ago
oh boy...
troll
15:07
@Jefffrey That's extreme pain to maintain
@CatPlusPlus How so?
You're reimplementing shit that database already provides and you have to keep it in sync with your data model
SQL databases are just not made to be public, don't do that
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I thought all SQL stuff should be done with fixed procedures or w/e so that you can't inject into them
@Jefffrey is the database facing the public?
It's also a pain to load balance
And throttle
And doesn't scale
Because now your public interface is extremely tied to your data store
Also doesn't leave room for cache
It's a bad idea just don't do it
15:09
I see
thats when i say there is no elevator to success you have to take the stares :-) — M.kazem Akhgary 11 mins ago
staring intensifies
user1804599
@Jefffrey SQL is more complex than REST APIs so it'll be more difficult to introduce changes without breaking existing consumers.
If you want ready-to-use query language then there's OData or GraphQL
@M.kazemAkhgary like how we're staring at him now? yeah I bet he's taking it. — Alex M. 24 secs ago
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@Mr.kbok lol
user1804599
15:11
@Mr.kbok staring at your boobs
@Elyse whose?
And yes SQL is poor at versioning
user1804599
Vanessa Paradis'
@CatPlusPlus PostgREST uses schemas for versioning
15:13
@CatPlusPlus GraphQL is pretty neat.
PostgREST is garbage that'll never be deployed into production anywhere
Would recommend, definitely supersedes REST in rich clients IMO.
Why is it garbage?
Also Falcor, can't choose which I like better.
15:14
You can do dumb CRUD scaffolding in any language and it'll be infinitely more maintainable than whatever uses stored procedures for logic not directly related to data manipulation
JSON assembled in the database? Yeah no thanks
user1804599
It's not assembled in the database.
user1804599
PostgREST is a separate server.
immature
> Serializing JSON responses directly in SQL
15:15
@CatPlusPlus Postgre actually has pretty a capable JSON data type, just saying. You can assemble JSON pretty well in Postgre. It's just usually not a great idea.
It usually beats "json" DBs like Mongo in benchmarks :D
user1804599
oh ok
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's for storing shit
The problem is REST itself though, rest is terrible for working against a client in more-than-trivial cases.
And also it's jsonb that's good at that
Postgre does both.
15:17
Stop calling it 'Postgre'
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call it Pogs
Pogs is a cool name
user1804599
And Pugs is a Perl 6 implementation.
Also APIs are rarely just a CRUD over a data store, so you'll need custom logic, and it probably really shouldn't be going into stored procedures
> Being stateless to allow horizontal scaling
lol
Scales well with horizontal explosions
Infinite scaling on top of a single database
15:19
Flies a looong way away
Also versioning with schemas implies creating new tables when they need to be updated, so good luck shovelling all that data to and from to keep compatibility
It's just useless
@Ell What about it
Doesn't look that bad
Obviously you have to think about it a bit, but it's managable
Ell
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it's all puzzles n shit
I don't understand some also
like the palindrome one
@Borgleader Gave me a mini heart attack, though nubel was getting into C# with a blast
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INPUT
baaa
OUTPUT
7
EXPLANATION
The shortest palindrome you can construct from 'baaa' is 'aaabaaa'.
^the shortest palindrome will always be n*2 -1 if n is odd
or n*2 if it's even
wait even just always n*2 - 1
user784668
15:24
The shortest palindrome you can construct from 'Ell' is 'Elle'.
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Sorry, I missed a key point
you can only prepend characters
Oh actually
Reasons to ever construct palindromes:
8
You Won't Believe Who Just Joined Lounge<C++>
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eeeep -> peeeeep
lol see I'm going to fail this epicly
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@CatPlusPlus Dammit I'm mad.
15:26
@GregorMcGregor who? who? tell me tell me tell me
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max
maxmp
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus no, views
@Fanael lol
@Elyse Maybe
Still mental overhead
@Ell the shortest palindrome you can construct from "e" is "e"
the shortest palindrome you can construct from "ee" is "ee"
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15:28
3 mins ago, by Ell
lol see I'm going to fail this epicly
the shortest palindrome you can construct from sex is sexes
the shortest palindrome you can construct from oop is poop
And the shortest palindrome you can construct from "I don't give a fuck about palindromes" is kind of longer.
the shortest palindrome you can construct from the alphabet is "why the fuck are you constructing palindromes get your ass home and have a beer fuck"
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@Mr.kbok or xesex
Well even if I fail epically I still get free food and drink
15:30
@Ell that's otherkin mating
@Lalaland There's a bunch of reasons. It's significantly more difficult to use a managed language for performance reasons. The bigger problem is actually the OS. Windows doesn't give you as much control over the network stack as Linux does.
The shortest poldrayme you can construct from kayak is... oh wait.
@Griwes semordnilap tuoba kcuf a evig t'nod I don't give a fuck about palindromes
you're welcome
god the xaml designer in VS is the biggest piece of shit ever
The shortest palindrome you can construct from penis is yours
user406009
15:31
I can see the trivial n^2 brute force.
user784668
@Mysticial You know you can run your code in kernel mode on Windows and thus do anything?
user406009
Does anyone see a more optimal method?
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Linux gives you absolute control over network packets
esp if you use one o'dem fancy things where you can route raw packets manually yourself
@Ell Windows also after you wipe it to install Linux
@Lalaland more optimal than not giving a shit?
nah
15:32
bsd has better raw sockets than linux
user784668
@Ell Manually controlling the NIC from userspace is even fancier.
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@Lalaland something about checking the number of consecutive distinct characters from the RHS
You have raw sockets on Windows too
@Fanael Linux you have absolute control since you can modify it. I'm not trying to bash Windows. (I like Windows very much for everything else.) But I've heard that even Kernel mode code has network latencies on the order of microseconds. That's an order of magnitude more than what you can do with a modified Linux kernel.
15:32
@CatPlusPlus Yes but not rawer than that
If you already go to kernel mode then you can skip the entire TCP/IP stack either way
AFAIK there is no kernel bypass on windows?
@GregorMcGregor There always is
@Mysticial "bash" and "windows" in the same sentence made me lol
@SteveWilford MSYS2
15:33
I wouldn't pick Windows as a server platform anyway
s/as a.*//
You don't need Windows for C#
user784668
You need glasses for that, not windows.
SeeHash
Ell
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There was something like fast sockets but even fasterer
I forget what it's called
but it was interesting to read about it
user1804599
15:35
@wilx don't tell @R.MartinhoFernandes and @BartekBanachewicz
user784668
@Ell Userspace NIC driver using vfio or some shit.
3 mins ago, by wilx
http://imgur.com/gallery/p28qs
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@Jefffrey REPOST DETECTED
Literally half a screen above.
I'm dumb
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15:36
Starred for posterity :P
I've probably clicked on wilx's link and thought it would be a good link for the Lounge
user784668
Self-depreciation is the easiest way to get starred in the Lounge.
@Jefffrey it happens
@wilx not on motorcycles.
@Fanael Exokernels all the way
15:38
also not on race tracks.
I'm pretty sure self-driven cars are perfectly fine and safe, but that's also besides some points of driving.
I think Audi nails it when it comes to self-driven cars.
I'm worried about internet connected cars
Self-drive on boring jams and highways, allow you to take control when driving is fun
user1804599
I read "SPEED LIMIT 25" and thought "well that's shitslow" but then realised it's the retarded imperial system.
Bit too late for that
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@BartekBanachewicz highways are the fun bit of driving
user1804599
15:39
Driving is never fun.
user1804599
Automate everything.
Factorio IRL
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Exactly!
@Ell maybe for the first 10 minutes
trails are where it's at
user784668
Highways are the best way to fall asleep and die.
@Ell They are so boring I almost fell asleep one day
@Ell are you allowed to be here during your competition
this is the kind of road I'd drive manually
no anti-cheating stuff?
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@AlexM. sure why not
I won't be ablt to ask about code though
15:41
@Ell Unless you're driving through some Canadian hwys I guess.
@BartekBanachewicz looks like the transfagarasan in romania
Or other flat locations.
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balls I think clang may actually not build in time for the competition :V
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Too dangerous.
15:41
lol
jesus christ what kind of time are you given to build your program, 10 microseconds?
Yes disable autodriving on the more difficult thing good choice
user1804599
Disable autodriving, then forget you disabled it.
I'm installing the Haskell Platform
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@AlexM. I mean, I'm compiling clang itsself
15:44
why are you compiling a compiler? :O
can't you download binaries?
user1804599
I feel teerrribbblellelelelelelelelelelelelelelelellleleee.
~~~Gantoo~~~
@Elyse why?
@Elyse Eat more hard drugs
user1804599
@JohanLarsson lack of botany
15:46
not sure what that means
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@AlexM. I prefer 2compile
I want latest and gr8est
you might not win the competition because of it
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@AlexM. I'm not gonna win anyway
I can't even ssh into my compile machine atm
@Jefffrey on what?
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15:49
though
it looks like to submit online anyway
@Elyse Life is too short to not live it dangerously
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I have 2 hrs
to sort
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz Life is too short so make sure you get the most out of it by avoiding danger.
@Ell Whatever for
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15:50
@CatPlusPlus idk man
it's fun
user1804599
@Ell quick, sort!
@Elyse If you're avoiding danger you're not getting the most of it.
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@GregorMcGregor shit that's cool
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz [citation needed]
gah I need to dig through options because even if I open the xaml file as a normal source code file VS still spawns the shitty designer process and hangs
FUCK YOU MICROSOFT
NOBODY USES VISUAL TOOLS
15:52
Visual Poodio
user1804599
CHOKING HAZARD
nobody I know ever said "you know I'm going to use the designer to edit this meaningful xaml"
user1804599
I should get that tattooed on my dick.
Designing UIs without visual feedback is painful as fuck
@BartekBanachewicz is young and does not have kids. I predict his opinions on this would change if he had kids to love and support.
15:53
What
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz On my Mac
@CatPlusPlus there's snoop for wpf, you can edit properties on the fly and then just apply them
easier than having VS hang on every save for 10 seconds
@Jefffrey Don't. Install via brew instead. Or via stack.
15:54
@JohanLarsson oh god thank you
@wilx I predict yours would change if you hadn't had kids as well. Or if you were a millionaire. Or if the world was flat.
@JohanLarsson does it also prevent it from showing up when I'm saving a xaml
@Fanael it's an opinion.
@AlexM. not sure, I have not seen it wake up yet
user1804599
Why you shouldn't get kids: Prophet Bjarne doesn't have kids either.
15:55
Bjarnellah Akbar
user1804599
(piss be upon him)
> Is it ok to talk to be wife before marriage?
guess the website
superuser?
user1804599
15:57
@GregorMcGregor Islam
@JohanLarsson if I kill it manually it respawns on every xaml save even if I opened it as source file
what piece of crap this IDE is
> Questioning about girl's virginity before marriage?
user1804599
> I need a clear answer is v got proposed before marriage can v b chat in phone or can speak each other?? Please answer anybody briefly?
@RichardDawkins Dutch court revokes Scientology's tax-exempt status http://bluebelldigital.co.uk/eastgrinsteadonline/2015/10/23/dutch-court-revokes-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/ via @grinsteadonline
15:58
> do not show your sexual organs, except for your married partner, and for the slaves which you own
wtf
@AlexM. hmm, I have never seen it happen. The extension will probably not solve that issue.
I can show my dick to my slaves?!
Still nice to have a fast way to kill it
@GregorMcGregor my married partner is a sexual organ?
user1804599
@wilx now all the other religions.
15:58
@GregorMcGregor lol you didn't know that? I do it all the time.
@AlexM. I guess yes
I'm gonna start my own religion
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@wilx why? :O
> Islam and Crossdressing
@Elyse Wonder what would be classified as a troll question.
15:59
@Ell Because it's a scam?
> This is a crystal clear evidence that imitating women in anyway (including wearing their clothes) is prohibited even in private and in public as well, and those who do it are cursed by the Prophet PBUH.
ITT elyse is haram
And cursed by the Prophet PBUH

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