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04:00
@Nooble colorsublime.com/theme/Bittersweet just a color scheme, no custom UI
@ʞɔᴉN theres seti syntax to go with or does it do both for ST3? for atom its in 2 parts
@ʞɔᴉN All the languages I don't care about on the right.
Except JavaScript, the best systems language <3
@Nooble Material would be very nice with a few tweaks
I think I can sum up by beef against hover in that I want substantial changes to the presentation to require straightforward user interaction (e.g. clicking), and that I don’t consider 'not moving the cursor' to fall under that category. Fortunately a lot of hover is innocuous in that what pops up typically hides very little, if anything.
@Borgleader I think sublime is similar, the UI themes are a separate package from the syntax colors IIRC
04:02
@LucDanton I understand the concern
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Yeah.
@Nooble eh good point, didn't think of that
Oh, god, the Audi product placements.
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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I think it would be sorta cool. Can't really say how I'd like the usability though without at least testing it.
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@ElimGarak Once you start seeing product placements in TV, you can never unsee it.
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04:03
They are everywhere.
I like how the vast majority of these themes are light-on-dark.
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@jaggedSpire Probably respects the fact that all of us like the dark.
@ElimGarak can't deny that they're sexy as hell though
user406009
In our little cave-rooms.
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Never seeing the light of day.
04:04
I'll make a small demo
@Lalaland True, although for whatever reason I am fond of the default xcode theme
@Lalaland I mean, even in the gallery for that website, most of htem are. It's like a 70-30 split, if it's even that even.
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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva How are you going to do it? Iframe and static positioning?
user406009
Iframe's might have security issues, especially with https
user406009
04:07
@jaggedSpire Link?
@Lalaland I don't know about the technical details, I just saw that feature on gitter and thought it could be nice on SO.
@jaggedSpire Light burns eyes.
user406009
Wow, that's a lot of themes.
user406009
04:09
That one is obviously just a troll.
but I want to beeeelieeeeve
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I'm just waiting for the "every letter a different color theme"
Colorsublime's plugin is pretty great. You can try out every single one of the themes in less than 10 minutes
@jaggedSpire I really hope the selection color is just rendering differently in browser, because otherwise it's 100% unreadable
I wish there was a C++ sample. Some of these are clearly better for some languages than others.
@ʞɔᴉN Here's hoping
Step-through debugging breaks in my app. Hm.
That is, Visual Studio crashes consistently when I step-through debug stuff.
Guess I'd better stop relying on the debugger.
04:16
Visual Studio is for badlets.
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@ThePhD How exactly does the step through debugger deal with multiple threads?
user406009
That part never made any sense to me.
@Lalaland Shrug.
It's not a problem if you don't think about it too hard
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I guess we can set the "Days since Microsoft bug" counter back to 0.
04:21
Sigh.
Not even renderdoc can hook into my application, even standlone. =/
Why do I try.
@ʞɔᴉN Stealing this forever.
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@ThePhD Are you doing something really strange in your code?
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Inline assembly or something?
@Nooble it's my life philosophy
english is a hard language
@Lalaland No.
Just plain OpenGL calls.
That renderdoc fails on.
Even though they SAY they support Core OpenGL 4.x
Whatever.
user406009
04:24
I am more concerned about the step through debugging not working.
That's just a Visual Studio problem.
Holy fuck.
Step through too many times and it just dies.
My homework just got three times harder.
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@Nooble Did you find out there was another side to the sheet?
user406009
04:25
I hate when that happens.
or another 2 sides on the same sheet? gets me every time
@ʞɔᴉN Always remember: after you turn the page over, check that there's nothing on the reverse side of that,.
hey I learned my lesson
apparently "Software Developer" as a title is too broad. What's a better one?
user406009
"Software Ninja Wizard Rockstar"
Javascript Duck
04:30
I like lala's suggestion a little better
@ʞɔᴉN :'(
@Lalaland No, the assignment says I need to touch on 3 different concepts.
Per paragraph.
@jaggedSpire you're trying to make me feel bad but it won't work
ducks don't have feelings
@Borgleader Do you have to redeclare gl_Position in v330+ GLSL shaders that use Separate Shader Objects?
04:33
@ThePhD im using v440 core and yes im redeclaring the per vertex structs
i have .h/.glsl files that i just include
@Borgleader ... But why? I thought these were builtin?
Does Separate Shader Objects extension throw those out?
Ugh. Now I have to go through and check EVERYTHING in the system to make sure it's not some stupid off-by-one error...
AND OF COURSE
OPENGL WON'T PAD MY VECTOR3's
Fuckin'
fuck this bullshit
@ThePhD idk, my book just says you have too, didnt bother checking out why. "Built-in variabls are assumed to be declared and don't have to be re-declared unless the application is using them within a separate program, in which cas a built-in block is required." OpenGL Insights p.63
user406009
@ThePhD Perhaps you should join @Elim's dark side. DirectX awaits.
@Borgleader .-.
OpenGL really sucks.
We've got command allocators here. Cookies, too.
04:38
@Lalaland My engine was initially built in DirectX. It was working too. =/
@ElimGarak as a JS dev, I think I've had my fair share of cookies
nn all
user406009
Hmm, just finished reading through the Mantle spec.
user406009
If Vulkan is that similar, I think I would prefer OpenGL.
user406009
So much manual memory allocation and tracking.
04:40
thats the point :P
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I want to render fancy shadows darn it, not write yet another malloc.
@Lalaland you should have picked that up from "close to the metal, less overhead, and whatnot" if you just wanna do regular things stick to DX11
and or opengl
DX11.
definitely.
OpenGL is a fucking nightmare.
The chances of this being right....
Fucking OpenGL.
@Lalaland Removal of hazard tracking from the driver is part of the overall performance improvement. The developer ought to know best what he needs. :D
04:42
Ruins everything.
Hey, I got Sponza to render, ts not so bad :P
@ʞɔᴉN nite
I'm turning back on DirectX mode. And fixing up the changes I made to the engine to work with DirectX.
Automation usually takes the least resistance path, assumes the worst possible conditions and stuffs... And validation runs rampant.
04:50
@ThePhD What's going on?
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva He's fucking OpenGL.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Nothing is rendering. Renderdoc keeps exploding so I can't use it to debug the fucking thing. I check my calls and OpenGL isn't throwing any errors. Obviously nothing is showing up on the screen and I'm okay with that, but to actually find out what's going wrong with OpenGL is just fucking batshit goddamn insane, and the fact that premiere debugging tools for the shitty thing aren't kicking in on top of the API being a typeless piece of shit state machine is driving me insane.
GLUINT GLUINT GLUINT WHAT IS STRONG TYPES OR DESCRIPTIVE NAMES
opengl isn't so bad if you work in baby steps
also try apitrace (was it you I recommended this to earlier?)
04:56
@Rapptz why don't you put your repo under LoungeCPP or sumthin
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva And let's not forget, if you happen to use the separate shader objects extension, you need to _redeclare the fucking builtin variables that the spec says are guaranteed to be there. Where do they mention that? Buried in the fucking Extension docs. Of course, the docs say the shader is supposed to FAIL TO LINK ENTIRELY if you use it but don't declare the variable... BUT GUESS WHAT SHADERS ARE LINKING PROPERLY.
MY SHADERS, THAT'S WHAT. AND THEY USE GL_POSITION WITHOUT REDECLARAING UNDER #version 440.
GOOD JOB, DRIVERS.
Fucking no conformance suite bullshit. You don't get half-assed shit like this with DirectX because at least they spot-check their shitty code and un-shitty it before shipping it to fucking customers around the globe and putting it on their fucking expensive graphics hardware.
Hi guys.
for (int i = 0; i < m_szLocalFileList1.GetItemCount(); i++)
{
m_szLocalFileList = m_szLocalFileList1;

}
I want to transfer on CListCtrl data to another any idea how to do this?
@ThePhD I feel your pain
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05:02
@Mysticial Lol. Those are spot on.
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Especially the first one.
> writing interpreted Python that matches or beats typical C++ code
nope
That's not entirely false. "typical C++" is shit C++.
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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva The good counterexample is that a good GC like in Java can beat new+delete in C++.
user406009
Some people love dynamic allocation way too much.
05:04
41 secs ago, by Mysticial
That's not entirely false. "typical C++" is shit C++.
user406009
Sometimes cheap dynamic allocation can be quite useful. Immutable data structures tends to rely a bunch on dynamic allocation.
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And immutability has some cool benefits.
user406009
Such as easy "transactions".
Mutability is an optimization.
> I'm not trying to minimize the problem, but there's a big difference between being #2 overall and being #2 among the 35 wealthiest: there are 196 countries in the world
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05:09
Yes. I'm just playing devil's advocate to how certain development strategies (such as immutability) can be less performant in C++ than, for example, Java.
Someone’s reaction to learning about child poverty in the US.
user406009
The US has lots of issues with inequality.
@LucDanton I don't understand
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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva It's 2nd worst in child poverty.
user406009
Like 2nd worst out of 35 wealthiest vs 2nd worst out of 196 countries.
user406009
05:11
There is a difference.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva No more pain: only tears Direct3D.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva It’s not that bad because there are worse off countries (which also happen to have lower economic indicators).
makes sense
> I've said it before, that organizational skills beat algorithmic wizardy in most cases, probably even at Google. But maybe I'm wrong here. Maybe these jobs really are hardcore and no day goes by without implementing tricky graph searches and finding eigenvectors, and that scares me.
lol
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva wut
05:16
Oh, I didn't click on those sublinks.
If you're a grunt, then creativity isn't that important. If you're an owner or manager, then it's the only thing that's important.
Alright, good night all.
night
I'm off to bed. Good morning in 4 or so hours.
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05:37
> Cancel Intellisense operation
> VS crashes
Software, top quality.
And they want to charge thousands of dollars for this bullshit
It's free.
Also, pull requests welcome!
05:59
@ThePhD Speaking of descriptive names, someone in this code base thought it would be a GOOD IDEA to have all identifiers be int, instead of, I don't know, sometype_id.
So basically you have no idea what the functions / containers expect
Can we get strong type aliases already
I'll just make a template with a type and tag
I should've done this before
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva :I
1 hour ago, by Mysticial
That's not entirely false. "typical C++" is shit C++.
@Mysticial handing out the timeless wisdom.
Praise the branch overlord
06:15
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva don't think I have permission to
and I don't have anything presentable atm
granted that's not an issue
@Rapptz you do
Aug 20 at 0:38, by Cat Plus Plus
Yo, GitHub gave us the new improved permissions thing. You can now create teams and repos under LoungeCPP org.
no excuses
does everyone get push access
guess not
06:44
@Rapptz what do you have?
What is the classification of the void type again?
I know it's not the unit type.
It's the empty type?
> empty type with no values
Got it.
@ThePhD gl* types are meant tos that your code just uses that one type, and the gl library for that platform can have it aliased for the appropriately sized type
I got up this morning feeling dizzy :(
that's called waking up
06:56
shut up cosh
Conversion of pointers to bool yay or nay? if (!ptr) { throw "pls no null"; }
@ThePhD well, with DirectX you get questionable differences between shaders compiled in a debug executable and a release one :)
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva nay to throwing strings :p
It's just an example you pedant47
forgot to turn off -pedantic :p
-erotic
07:03
ignoring unrecognized option :S
When you have instructions like fist in your code, -erotic helps optimize by setting the mood.
throw your_mother;
@ElimGarak tbuffers in DirectX don't really have an analogous in OpenGL, right?
It's really just something that says "I'm going to group all these textures together", and there's no real.... rhyme or reason beyond synchronous updating, is there?
I guess that resolves the question "Could Bjarne create an object so large that even he could not throw it?"
07:10
Hey, what do you unit test C++ with?
@Rapptz what are you making?
@melak47 I'm making an autodoc tool for Sphinx.
Sorry was playing Super Mario Maker.
no problem :p
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva ew loads of macros
07:16
@ThePhD Tbuffers are kinda legacy, they were a thing before Buffers and StructuredBuffers. Their primary idea was random access (kinda like a texture, but definitely not intended for textures) as opposed to accessing stuff coherently (cbuffers).
It's coming along okay.
As usual, it signals the GPU how the data is going to be accessed, which can then be less stupid at runtime.
I think it's pretty hacky though.
@ElimGarak So they're obsolete and I should ignore tbuffers from HLSL?
Not like super satisfied with it atm.
07:17
@ThePhD Yup. I don't think you'll run into them in codebases anywhere, really.
Unless they're ancient (in realtime graphics development terms)
Great. I can completely ignore that bullshit then because tbuffers made NO fucking sense.
OpenGL has texture buffer objects but they seem midly more useful.
The name itself is stupid and kinda totally unrelated. :D It didn't get a really nice response from devs, I'd even wager most have never heard of tbuffers. DirectX 11 came really soon (Buffers/Structured Buffers & compute and stuff) and DirectX 10 was a flop mostly.
@BenjaminGruenbaum Try it. It's very nice. Header only. Lots of people here use it.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva what advantage does it offer over simple asserts?
I remember only one game advertising as DirectX 10... It was that Age of Conan or something, MMO. Basically, DirectX 10 simplified the interface for the developers, paved the way for 11 and 12, but did almost nothing for the end user or to empower the dev. Introduction of consistent feature levels and hardware requirements, no more jarring differences between 9.0 and 10.0+.
07:20
@BenjaminGruenbaum who the hell tests code via assert
u w0t m8
@Rapptz nice strawman bro
@BenjaminGruenbaum You unit test with asserts? :o
?!
I'm being 100% honest here.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I don't, stop suggesting that.
07:21
You're the one who brought it up.
Catch looks like what it does is asserts
Basically, I'm trying to understand the added value.
What features does assert have that make it a comparable point?
I mean I'd understand if you said "GTest" or something but assert?
I know that, I'm trying to understand what it does extra over simple assertions.
Everything.
07:22
It does a lot of things
Assert like... Asserts stuff and shit.
Individual tests, comprehensive testing macros, expected/must_throw/no_throw expressions, isolated instances per tests, can be spread over multiple .cpp files or one.
Read the documentation? <_>
07:23
Logging, basic checking instead of asserting, tags are helpful, dedicated executable so you can execute only specific tests
I mean there's.. a lot of stuff going for it
Yeah, and the logging is great.
Line numbers, file names, etc. etc..
Hi all, any one suggest an IDE for compiling C++ in windows 7 which is not bulky?
That rules your mom out already
07:27
@VineetKumarDoshi pick one, notepad, np++, gvim or visual studio. Or you know, you could use pad and paper
pad and paper is cool ..
yea, works really well :P
morning
@TonyTheLion make me!
07:34
@TonyTheLion no code = win
deleting code = even better win
@ArneMertz mertzning
@TonyTheLion having a pad of paper to throw at the idiot who wants code = best win
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
IT'S FOUR IN THE FUCKING MORNING
NOBODY STOPPED ME
07:43
Hello friends
hi doge
plop
Ploppity pop
Xeo
Xeo
@TonyTheLion I wrote code on paper during class when I was at school... for later.
Anyone remember who made the lounge logo
07:48
Jefffrey
@xeo I saw a guy writing C code on a sheet on his skateboard in the metro the other day XD
@ScottW ... wouldn't be surprised
@Xeo I've done that too
@slaphappy hipster
nah, hipsters write assembly code for the Cray using wax tablets
Ever heard of this notion that the safest place to put a big sharp metal spike on a car, is on the steering wheel facing the driver... I'd say the same principle would work for making code safer, have each key capped with a upturned thumb tack, make each character count.
07:59
inb4 my first compile and run with my D3D system after switching back works perfectly. :l

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