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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva It's basically a slim laptop with really nice specs and a fantastic display. And when you want to relax, read, watch and shit... You just remove the keyboard and you have a tablet.
And it is also not iOS shit, it is fullblown Windows with an open boot mode. I am running Kubuntu and OS X El Capitan on it, as well as Windows 10.
@sehe Yeah, at least as far as I know (though my knowledge of the subject is very limited, so that could easily be wrong).
@ThePhD :3
@ElimGarak The funniest bit about this is how Apple not so long ago was suing everyone and their mum for copying the iPhone...
I found it even more hilarious to see Microsoft port Office to it instead of suing them or something. The audience was in shock, probably because they were stumped by the ripoff that had taken place.
@JerryCoffin Good. I was concerned you might be secretly promoting a conspiracy to get rid of your competitor insects
00:03
@Borgleader Remember the Apple tagline: "It's ours; we stole if first!"
@Borgleader Isn't it more ironic that Apple copied so much - from an all-but-failed MS product?
@sehe Apple will sell well. Microsoft did a great job, but it just didn't have the logo.
Good thing Apple gives spare logo stickers out for free
@sehe It might have failed to sell a bajillion units, but in itself the product isn't a failure. I've heard from multiple persons who have one that its a really good product. I just think MS didnt market it properly. It has the price of laptop more or else but the form factor of a tablet, they should have marketed it as a more convenient laptop IMO. By going after the iPad most people just went "well, thats nice but why would I pay a lot more for features/power i mostly wont use"
then again, what do i know, im not a marketing department
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Tetris syndrome with Portal is really frustrating.
00:07
I want robots to do all the boring work for humans. I am not interested in social networking, 'even better' information technology etc. Bring me the real thing!
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@ThePhD The non-catface part of my sensibilities would like to take this opportunity to remind you that there is no shame in dropping a time-consuming course when you're taking 7 classes, and it in fact makes more sense to do so if you are having bi-weekly mental breakdowns.
@jaggedSpire Mental breakdown antidote:
@CatPlusPlus thanks for talking sense at me the other day. I checked my code and it looks like MS annoyed my into using their safe sprintf, at least. But now it'll stick in my head.
You're not interested in social networking.
So you can have a robot to do your social networking.

So you have time to fill the laundry and do the washing machine.
00:10
@Borgleader gains diabetes
@Borgleader yeah, pet dogs can act cute & make you pay for all their expenses ... and you have to work your ass off
@sehe I socialize with real humans
but look at that smile! It's 160-proof happiness in legal form!
psst: you don't actually have to do that.
It's illegal for an employer to require it
@jaggedSpire dogbetes maybe, idk how id get diabetes from dog pictures
@chmod711telkitty whoosh
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00:12
Fun-fact: Friedrich Nietzsche was born in a place with a name pronounced like the Dutch word for jacking off.
@sehe Why would I want to do my own laundry? I got married so...I could do laundry for my wife and kids.
@Borgleader because (I'm so sorry for this) that smile is sweet enough to give me the beetus.
@elyse Aftrekken?
@jaggedSpire ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Röcken is a village and a former municipality in the Burgenlandkreis district, in Saxony-Anhalt, Germany. Since 1 July 2009, it has been part of the town Lützen. Philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche was born there in 1844, and the house where he was born still exists. His father was the pastor. Nietzsche was also buried in Röcken. In 2006 the Mitteldeutsche Braunkohlengesellschaft mining company disclosed plans to demolish the village to mine for coal, but their met the opposition of the Coalition for Action with the motto "future instead of lignite"; in a public hearing, 64% of the residents voted...
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@elyse Ten zuiden van Pijptzich
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Q: A specific and simple proposal to fix chat flagging

EmrakulThere have been a number of posts recently complaining about floods of chat flags, and most of them have been wholly justified. I propose a simple solution in three parts: Don't let a user have more than one active chat flag at a time. I have never actually seen a case where a user has a legi...

^^ Upvote that even though it probably won't matter.
@Mysticial Done
@ElimGarak How complicated it is to do the shapes for uh, deferred lighting? I mean directional light is the simplest i think, but what about uh, spotlights and such?
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Also make flags public.
user1804599
For all to see who did them.
@Borgleader Usually, people do cones or double cones, and spheres for omnidirectional lights. But all of that has a sharp cutoff point.
00:18
Sep 4 at 14:49, by Anastasiya Asadullayeva
@JonClements Doesn't seem too problematic, have flags expand to other rooms after a couple minutes if unhandled, or immediately if there's less than X people in?
should also be represented, maybe.
Double cones for the inner more powerful part of the spotlight and the decay towards the outer one.
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Solipsism is great.
Should C++ programmers learn C? Honest question.
A low rep person like me do not see any flags, so I will not join this discussion
@elyse Well, of course my subconscious would think so.
00:19
@caps Honestly, I do think that's helpful.
Just spoofed the El Capitan GM as a developer beta, preparing to install on the Surface Pro 3. With all the necessary kexts and stuff.
I "regret" not trying to code C until after ~a decade.
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@caps Depends on whether they want to learn C or have to learn C for the job at hand, or not.
@sehe ...should I be scared by those quotation marks?
00:20
@jaggedSpire Not that I prefer it. You can't really appreciate the benefits of C++ unless you've done the grunt work without it
Ah. Okay.
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C has some nice features I wish C++ had.
@ElimGarak hmm you mean as soon as you leave the volume theres a discontinuity in the lighting?
@elyse inb4 named member initializers
00:21
@Borgleader Yes, that's why people setup strong decay/attenuation and create larger shapes to allow for it fall off. And get the best of both worlds. :D
Use the physical decay, with the distance squared.
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Such as suboptimal-but-reasonable compile times, and designated initialisers.
@ElimGarak i thought it might have been possible to calculate the decay by passing a reference point to the shader as a uniform (like for the sphere, its center), or is that too costly?
@ElimGarak Wait, aren't you an Apple antiboy?
One of those kids that go around yelling that Apple ruined their childhood
ITT jeffrey needs spectacles
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00:24
wtf
user1804599
dat coincidence
@Borgleader Many ways are possible, that's certainly one. There are a few more, like keeping a list full of data regarding the lights. And processing the relevant ones via compute shaders etc. To reduce the unnecessary strain of computing stuff that doesn't matter.
Hey, guys, I made an actual iPad Pro.
@ElimGarak Hmm, seems I'll need to do a bit of research on this.
@elyse mmm. coincoincidence right
00:26
@ElimGarak liar
i dont see a $100 stylus
@Prismatic its called the iPencil now
stylus' are so 2 weeks ago
I am waiting for Apple to release an iPad Pro 2 with Intel hardware (ARM -> x86_64), in the wake of Microsoft. A month later, people will be running iOS better and faster on the Surface Pro. Just nobody will want to use it, because it is shit. Download iOS and cripple your device's capabilities.
@ElimGarak for one sec, I mistook that screensaver for an actual view and envied you a little ...
Hi kitty!
We have all been missing you
That's the default El Capitan wallpaper. Running on a Hackintosh which is more powerful than everything in Apple's line-up. Bahah.
00:31
Especially Tony
hey @ʎǝɹ
@sehe I can see what you're saying. Maybe I should learn some C. I'd rather spend the time learning more C++.
People stop me on the street often... They ask... "Elim, y u do this? y go through all the trouble of installing an OS you hate?" And I look at them... And walk away.
@caps take a few low-balls on SO
But when interviewers think that "C/C++" is a thing and expect you to be able to answer C questions to show your C++ aptitude (which... wtf???)... maybe I should learn sooner rather than later.
@elyse I don't want to do either, but definitely not the former.
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00:33
Don't apply for C/C++ jobs.
You should learn just enough to explain for your asymmetrical experience
@elyse "C/C++" could be something put in the job description by the same kind of recruiter who thinks "C++ is just an earlier version of C#", so... I don't want to close off my options when I could actually be looking at a C++ job described by an ignoramus.
@caps To be fair, it's pretty hard to be competent in C++ and not know a thing about C.
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> You should work just hard enough not to get fired.
@Mysticial I know a little bit about C.
00:35
@jaggedSpire I think I can handle it.
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I need {g,b}f.
I managed to get correct outputs for some of the C testcases on the "C/C++" test I just took.
@ThePhD Still, just remember it's an option. I don't want to be responsible for an hours-long hysterical laughing fit.
@jaggedSpire The toughest portions will be Linear Algebra, Fundamentals of Computer Systems (Logic Circuits & the like), and Probability & Statistics.
Given enough time I could answer any beginner C question (or probably even an intermediate question), but I can't do it off the cuff very well at all.
00:36
It's going to be an algebra-heavy, math-heavy semester, but it'll be good because I'll be sharp on math.
@elyse where is that from grrrr
The rest of the courses are going to be "Programming Language (C++/Python)" and "Masterpieces of Western Music". I'm... not going to be crying any tears over those.
@ThePhD Oh, that's all right then! :3
00:37
In other news, KDE's DPI handling is absolute and utter shit.
@jaggedSpire Don't catface at the end, the gets me worried. ;~;
@Mysticial The canonical C solutions for, say, parsing strings, or files, in/out, etc. are completely different from the canonical C++ solutions. I'm familiar with the latter, but have intentionally avoided the former.
Oh yeah. I'll also be taking Physics.
And of course, those are the things you're asked to do in C on that kind of test.
Who first finds the taskbar, gets $10.
00:38
Thankfully I know that C strings are supposed to be(?) terminated with '/0'.
I've already had Physics but my institution has a rule: if you took a college class during High School, you can't count it towards your degree.
@ThePhD seems like that'll work.
So even though it was a College Class I paid top dollar for, it won't be transferred.
Ah. That's unfortunate.
And that you allocate strings with something like malloc(count * sizeof(char))
00:39
But! It does mean I'll be seeing the same material twice. Which means my memory, even though it was 7 years ago, will stir it up just right.
Anyway, I need to take off. Good talking to you guys.
@caps char const* const string = "Something";
@caps bye!
There you go
00:39
@caps Toodle-oo.
user1804599
I should watch that movie again.
I'm looking at the Programming Language: C++ course and I'm laughing hysterically.
@sehe Self-aware robot? Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun
These are things the lounge beat into me in a week.
00:40
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ You can't be critical of something you don't use or own. Legitimately. At least once in your life, eh.
@ThePhD The Lounge does tend to do that.
@Borgleader well pretty much overrated of course
user1804599
> Office Space (1999) 1080p BrRip
user1804599
woo sounds good
The end of the course is literally "C++ STL" and "Namespaces".
00:41
@elyse You pirate.
user1804599
Which torrent client for Windows is not adware, preferably FOSS, and decent?
@elyse Windows Store.
@ThePhD Ah, congratulations! You'll be taking one of the "C with classes" classes!
Do they cover Templates?
@elyse none of them are preferably FOSS
00:42
@ThePhD WEEP
You should totally stick templates in every assignment you get that doesn't forbid them.
@jaggedSpire To their credit, they overview things like "Constructors" early. We do Templates near the end.
@sehe I'm actually jumping for joy: ez credits, ez A, ez life.
The Programming Language: Python course will probably present more of a challenge.
right
We'll hear from you
Dammit.
On the flush!
00:44
I mean, the entire course's contents for each subject link to its cplusplus.com tutorial. And having read them all, I'm not particularly worried they're going to break my back.
@ElimGarak is kde not a buggy mess for you
The really awesome thing is 70% of the grade is Programming Assignments. So that means I can walk into the final with a hard C- right off the bat, unless I do something completely stupid.
@Prismatic Yup. Will modify Ubuntu to work with the Surface Pro properly (GNOME is preferable anyways, less shit in the DPI side fo things).
There's no attendance grade, no participation grade. I can quite literally never show up to the course at all.
@TonyTheLion sehe3 is my work pc
00:46
y not seh3.
r u nuts
n 4chan spk
deeze nuts.
@ElimGarak Because seh4 would be a bit wrong, no?
German: Xephyr
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sehe alles goed
user1804599
00:47
moet jij niet slapen
user1804599
het is al 3 uur bijna
actually. yes
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lool
@ThePhD everybody knows that 4 is not 1 bit wrong from 3. It's 3 bits
Handshake time
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
@thecoshman I can remind you of this periodically
@ThePhD wait do you have access to all your assignments now?
00:49
@ThePhD seh3 is hashing algo right?
:P
@jaggedSpire I have access to all the assignments from previous years. And none of them are things I cannot do right now.
I'm going to attempt to convince the Professor to give me all the assignments the next time I see him.
And then bet him I can finish them all in a week.
@ThePhD And then do them all the following week? :3
@jaggedSpire You know me so well. ♥
ITT ThePhD is in his manic period
@ThePhD :)
00:51
@sehe yeah it happens every mon semester
hey.... i think i might need homework help. i'm in xcode, it's been 8 years since i worked in c/c++ (went back to school bc school is cool)... and.... I wrote a fat main.cpp (which works fine) but now I want to split out the classes to .h and .cpp files. Soooo many redefinition errors. I'm going to try on my own for about 15 more minutes but then I'm going to cry. It looks so right, though. I think I might be at the asking for help - or taking a long break - part of my night.
I think you maybe mistaken
that's my preface. if anyone is around in 15, this is my struggle. i'm sure the issue is painfully obvious but i'm so blind. but it's cool.
@Borgleader Hey! :<
@gloomy.penguin sanity check: are you using header guards?
00:53
@gloomy.penguin Give a short example of a function/class in both header file and source file that triggers this error
like #pragma once
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Q: C++ - header guards

SimplicityAt: http://www.learncpp.com/cpp-tutorial/110-a-first-look-at-the-preprocessor/ Under Header guards, there are those code snippets: add.h: #include "mymath.h" int add(int x, int y); subtract.h: #include "mymath.h" int subtract(int x, int y); main.cpp: #include "add.h" #include "subtract.h...

yes..... but im not sure if correctly bc i let xcode do it and they look super different.
hah. different. _ _ different _ _
@jaggedSpire XCode puts them for you IIRC
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ of course not. Just point to header guards and (IMPORTANTLY) Stack Overflow
00:54
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ madness
yeah but they look weird lol
i can't even get it to all work in *.h
Wut.
automatic header guards does not seem like a wise policy
@gloomy.penguin yanw. show, don't tell. Get to Stack Overflow
Inb4 question - banned
#pragma unwise
00:55
@gloomy.penguin Post an example of a file that triggers the error.
#pragma tic
oh no im a professional. i cant be posting homework on there.
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hahhh.... no. but for real. no one wants to point out my syntax errors or what not.
15 min. brb. brute force.
Then, be professional and hit the text book :)
@gloomy.penguin tsssk
00:56
balllllls. brb.
@gloomy.penguin Wouldn't it be a sign of professionalism that you know when to ask for help?
@gloomy.penguin Last time before I go to bed. Post an example of header + source with related error message.
i am.....
kinda...
@gloomy.penguin No one wants to, but no one can. Because we all cheated our way through "Psychic Abilities 101"
im not ready...
yes well i am a woman i expect you to be telepathic.... thanks....
00:56
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ ... so, you leave the rest with your mess?!
sweet move.
What is even.
you will be in our hearts forever, @ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ
00:57
@gloomy.penguin (nobody cares that you are a woman, sorry, we are all asexual nerds)
5
for this betrayal
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ besides, we have taste
@ThePhD Whoa that site has changed.
I still don't understand why you would point out your sex like that when it has no relevance whatsoever to anything said.
00:59
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ you don't recognize a professional troll?
I guess not. Never quite figure out trolls.
orly
that's unfortunate
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Go to sleep :) I'll come along
00:59
@sehe nn
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ nn
night, you two
night
@caps Yeah. C++ is more than just parsing. Anyone who's competent in C++ is going to know pointers, arrays, and other things which are core to C as well.
@sehe Nighty night!
01:09
I was thinking about lock-free queues, and I think there is a big picture problem. What happens when there is a mismatch between producers and consumers? Inevitably that will lead to busy waiting, which requires a lock, maybe a spin_lock? What do you folks think?
Lock-free queues are most of the time either full or empty because it's extremely unlikely that both producer and consumer go at the exact same speed
Indeed, so the push(new_data) needs to sleep? So where the advantage in not using locks?
What you can do is have a dynamic sleeping strategy
I don't know what that means
Spinlock for x iterations, then yield x iterations, then sleep x milliseconds.
01:12
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ and you think im not one in the same...?
So you don't busy wait forever
hi. okay. sorry. every function in my .cpp file gets a redefinition error. pastebin.com/5SPWF3AL (to recap, all my code works fine out of a fat main.cpp file but now I can't split anything off into separate files) .... ugh. and that's how my IDE gave the preprocessor definitions to me.
But then again busy waiting can be of use in some cases
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva So, its never helped me at the timescales I work on (10ms per compute unit). Have you ever done it?
Yeah we busy wait on network to reduce the latency, this is very niche though, and I wouldn't do it on a "normal" app
> SQLite compiled into JavaScript via Emscripten
oh god
01:17
Wait until we have x86 opts target for javascript
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@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva nice
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva noice
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SQLite is great.
user1804599
It's really underrated.
elyse pls
01:17
Jazelle DBX (Direct Bytecode eXecution) allows some ARM processors to execute Java bytecode in hardware as a third execution state alongside the existing ARM and Thumb modes. Jazelle functionality was specified in the ARMv5TEJ architecture and the first processor with Jazelle technology was the ARM926EJ-S. Jazelle is denoted by a 'J' appended to the CPU name, except for post-v5 cores where it is required (albeit only in trivial form) for architecture conformance. Jazelle RCT (Runtime Compilation Target) is a different technology and is based on ThumbEE mode and supports ahead-of-time (AOT) and...
I was surprised to learn java runs on sim cards
Hi.
Too much schoolwork stuff so I won't be on here as much (still everyday, but mostly at night).
@gloomy.penguin Post on Stack Overflow.
@Prismatic Doesn't have support for threads, floats, most garbage collection...
man. i'm so resistant to posting homework on there.
01:20
@Mikhail shocking
@gloomy.penguin Oh dear god.
@Nooble heeey
Why _lol_case.
i assumed it was obvious enough someone could just skim and be like "there, that thing"
@jaggedSpire Heeeey.
01:21
im so stubborn.
@Nooble I know you wanted me to wait up for you, but I accidentalied 150 rep yesterday.
Sorry.
@jaggedSpire :(
@gloomy.penguin ...you're defining all four of lil_logger's non-constructor functions in the header and again in the source file.
okay. yes. i am sure of that. do i not include anything of those functions in the header, then?
@jaggedSpire Bwahahahaha. I made that error so many times when I was a kid.
01:25
I refuse to earn rep.
They'll never get me above 1K rep again.
Pleblife forever! \o/
@ThePhD ...why?
@Nooble You're fifteen
@jaggedSpire Bein' a pleb is awesome.
@jaggedSpire That's adult in some places!
@jaggedSpire An adult.
wait are you a freshman or a sophomore?
man. okay. i thought i could do empty functions. oh, deer lord {}; it was the brackets.
01:26
@jaggedSpire Sophomore ever since Wednesday.
@gloomy.penguin yes, those are indeed definitions!
hah. yes they are. totally.
@Nooble veddy nice.
seeeeeee. thank you for looking.
more people spreading bullshit on HN
01:26
i'm so used to weak languages by now.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva HN?
@jaggedSpire Hacker News.
Horny Noobles
01:27
Now to annotate pages 12 through 15 of "English 3: An Introduction to American Literature".
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Linkylink?
augh I just got flashbacks to my last real English classes.
@jaggedSpire thanks again. that's all i needed. some sanity.
netflix and by yourself
01:28
I know I shouldn't be glad my college was all "lol what humanities program?" but I totally am.
@Borgleader this guy gets me
@jaggedSpire Yeah I hate using my opinion in things.
I'll end up sounding mean to the professor.
> i’m the nokia phone in a room full of iphones
01:30
The gloomy penguin guy has 3.3k rep. He needs to donate some.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I don't understand what's going on at all, but my BS detector is flaring up after that first comment.
> God doesn't play dice; the universe is deterministic.
@ThePhD That first comment is total BS
01:43
Does CMake have issues with using both C and CPP files for an executable?
@NoahHuppert Shouldn't, no.
Handles my application fine.
On the other hand, I have issues handling C.
huh, I have a driver(BNO055) written in C that I added to my CMake project(CMakeLists.txt). I can include the header fine, but when I got to compile it complains about references to undefined functions(Build Log).
I added the driver by just downloading the source and adding the source to my executable.
Ensure that it is correctly exporting the symbols in question and that you are linking in the right order
^ So no linking. The driver doesn't come as a lib.
Well then how do you expect that to work
user1804599
01:48
This movie is great.
I just downloaded the source(2 small files) and put them in my project
@NoahHuppert Don't do that.
@NoahHuppert Then you compile that source and you link it with the rest of your executable
Also lol "small file" the thing is 17k lines long
Make a separate CMakeLists for the library and add_subdirectory, include_directories, and target_link_library.
I tried adding it as an External Project(4580b24 LN 12) and compiling the source, but I ran into issues with CMake wanting the files downloaded from the git repo to exist to make the lib
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@NoahHuppert Because you're using include or external_project_Add or something.
externalProject_add(bno055
        GIT_REPOSITORY    github.com/BoschSensortec/BNO055_driver.git
        CONFIGURE_COMMAND :
        BUILD_COMMAND     :
        INSTALL_COMMAND   mkdir -p ${bno055_INSTALL_DIR} && cp -r ../bno055 ${bno055_INSTALL_DIR}
)
Ok, trying that way.
Yea, I was using an external project
You were using external project add :P
is there a quick reference for how parameter pack expansion works?
i'm trying to figure out what a pattern is, and how exactly this code:
template <char... elements>
std::ostream& print(std::ostream& output, String<elements...>) {
return (output << ... << elements);
}
works
01:55
A parameter pack?
you mean beyond the wiki?
i don't quite understand what a pattern is
Do not worry, they will fix variadics.
like the syntax of that code i posted i can't parse
I hate the first few days of school so much.
They give us a bunch of paperwork
And I have to fill it all out ;~;
Huh, Unknown CMake command "target_include_directories". => V2.8.9
@zounds Also, that's a fold expression.
@NoahHuppert Use a greater CMake version.
Ahh, I have 3.x on my machine but I am actually compiling the code on an Intel Edison, so that is my fault
@jaggedSpire
thank you
01:59
np

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