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10:01
poor robot
Meh
All the ones I'm bad are first.
So I'll be DNFing till the afternoon.
did you forget to English that?
> You have been promoted.
:toot toot:
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which ones are you actually good at, except the 3^3?
I'm decent at the Skewb and the Pyraminx.
Will not DNF the 2x2x2 either.
Time limit for 5x5x5 is five minutes. Might work.
10:11
good luck!
Is the time right for you guys? itsalmo.st/#marmalade2
millisecond accuracy very useful
It'd be better if you spent 6 hours writing that timer
can I ask an uber noob C question here ?
10:23
no
;(
pleeeaaaaassseeee
@Andy I'll need it. I want a scramble with the right parity or I'll probably fuck it up :)
@Kasper That would be our pleasure
but make it horribly n00b
@Kasper I enjoy C.
okay haha
10:24
@R.MartinhoFernandes No idea what the parity is but we'll be cheering for you :P
we don't like slightly-meaningful questions
post pics then
and I compile it with cc hello.c
I don't understand how `cc` or hello.c "knows" where this file stdio.h is.
Because I can't find this file myself. I didn't download it or something
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Ughh I'm dying
Should have brought a camera and tripod to shoot my solves.
@Kasper get a book.
Not here.
10:27
I have a book. This example is from "Programming in C" third edition
but it doesn't anything about where stdio.h is
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It ships with your c compiler
so it is inside the executable or something ?
stdio.h hould reside in /usr/include for GNU/Linux and most UNIX systems
dude you're encouraging the vampires
10:29
@Kasper why is return 0; not present in your function?
user1804599
I have a number n and a number m and I want to round up n to the smallest multiple of m.
@edition my teachers said that return 0 is not needed or something, that this is the default
@elyse n = n + (n % m) is approximately it
@edition I can't find it there I have mac osx yosemite
user1804599
fn add_padding(mut offset: usize, align: usize) -> usize {
  while offset % align != 0 {
    offset += 1;
  }
  offset
}
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10:31
Awesome.
@Kasper why is looking at a header file relevant to your task?
@Kasper please go ask on Stack Overflow
@edition Please don't encourage help vampires
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nice
@edition I'm just trying to understand how including things works, where the compiler looks for those files etc.
@TonyTheLion why this hate ?
10:34
Aug 25 at 5:56, by Xeo
The Good, the Bad and The Rules.
We have rules, you seem to have ignored them.
@Kasper The best thing I can say is to research the build tools and headers available on your system yourself, otherwise please ask on stackoverflow.
@Kasper nobody can learn things for you.
okay okay... I just thought this question was so noob, that everbody here would directly know it
it is, but it doesn't matter.
In fact, we'd probably be more receptive if it wasn't such a noob question, i.e., it hadn't been answered a thousand times before.
It's so noob you could've even google it
10:38
First Google result for "where is stdio.h" stackoverflow.com/questions/1899373/…
I don't even know if "learn to use Google" is decent advice.
what if people moderated each other's lives like on stackoverflow?
One doesn't need to learn anything. Just type your question and it works.
Downvote for not going to starbucks.
yesterday a US tourist told me "where can I find a starbucks?"
"we don't have starbucks here, but there are wi-fi bars"
"oh, this is like going back in time"
...?
I mean: seriously?
I suppose those guys' vision is based on marketing symbols
how quaint and lovely
btw do you have refrigerators where you live?
10:42
no, we eat an ice-cream and fart I suppose we should have one..
what if SE features were present in twitter, and people could edit, downvote, upvote and close replies to statuses! :D
or even better, integrate the same features with every webpage on the internet!
@edition facebook is going to be a downvote/close/delete massacre
@MarcoA. imagine the fun.
and downvotes will soon cause overflows on ask.fm answers and questions
why not?
using SE's philosophy, we can clean up the internet :D
10:49
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks for that reference, but it says to look for /usr/local/include and /usr/include but those locations doesn't seem to exist in yosemite
btw, if this is really such a dumb question, I'm googling and trying 30-40 min.
so either I'm freaking dumb, or it is not as trivial as you say it is
Seriously, please stop asking here
I'm not asking anything, I'm just saying it is not that trivial
Then don't post anything in relation to it either.
>code of conduct
You should really read the rules
I'll quote you something
10:51
@Kasper well, when you break the problem into achievable tasks, it will become trivial.
> We don't care.
Nothing deep
in ISO C++ proposal review, 34 secs ago, by Potatoswatter
Universal type-erasure (function, variant, any) casting drafted! PDF.
Hey guys, ISTR that converting any shared_ptr<T> to shared_ptr<void> gets you a pointer to the most-derived object, i.e. the one originally created by make_shared. Am I just making this up?
Ell
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I'm so coooold
Why is England so cold :'(
@Ell :(
Put a sweater on, turn on the heater
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I have cranked up the thermostat. I hope it doesn't take too long
I'm in bed as well
10:57
@TonyTheLion what kind of person are you really, I'm active at several chats, related to javascript. dart and polymer, and if someone asks me a question, that I know, I'm trying to be helpfull, if I don't know it, I just ignore it, what is the point of being such a bitch ? but okay, maybe C programmers are just not as nice people as web developers... surely leaving here, never seen such a rude chat in my life
6
good night sweet prince
I am now going to kick you out of here.
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Ell
@Kasper hey man you didn't read the rules
I too have a question
well, what might that be?
11:01
How do I make a 3D Naruto MMORPG using C++
Apparently I'm thinking of dynamic_pointer_cast<void>. Wot a minefield.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva You follow Feynman's algorithm
@Potatoswatter I thought you had plenty experience in C++ to know what a minefield it really is :)
@Kasper Wow, real renaissance man here. Even a guru on chatting! How meta.
@TonyTheLion The ISO evolution group chair, Ville, is asking why my proposal doesn't address this problem but apparently I'm not as familiar with it as I should be.
11:03
@Potatoswatter oh I see
I'm glad I'm not writing C++ standards proposals than
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> Gay Teen Worried He Might Be Christian
> At first glance, high school senior Lucas Faber, 18, seems like any ordinary gay teen. He's a member of his school's swing choir, enjoys shopping at the mall, and has sex with other males his age.
lol
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lol
11:13
Nice. I loved that site back in the early 2000s
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11:25
Hmm what is good hangover food?
user1804599
Gal.
Ell
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Uhh I gotta go shopping
> #‎WLOG‬ - Without Loss Of Generality campaign aims at supporting the rights of the true real family: the one whose own elements are sets. Sexuality, religion or gender don't count, the only real criterion is surjectivity.
I second that!
@Ell drink a lot of juice is good for you when you have hangover
or water
user1804599
11:30
ok bored wat do
user1804599
VIDEO GAMES
@elyse code in perl
@fredoverflow is that actually a worthwhile talk to watch?
It's 2 minutes
So probably not
(He linked to ~2 mins before the end you fool, not the whole talk)
11:42
@thecoshman Watch for laughs
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva that's why I asked if it's worth watching the talk :\
no because javascript
isn't that obvious
11:57
this is a waste of time.
I have nothing to contribute here.
this is the Lounge
we all waste time here
but thank you all
user406009
@sehe From all of your experience, which is the fairest live streaming site of them all?
user406009
Should probably start getting that set up for the game jam.
12:17
@Mr.kbok @Nooble @Lalaland @Ell @набиячлевэлиь @ThePhD yeah... I'm probably not going to both with jam btw...
not in the mood
@Lalaland no clue. I've only ever used live coding site and some tinkering with my own server
And i blame that on some lounger
I think it was Prismatic
gloaug gloaug
what are you smoking puppy?
nothing
'but I'm doing javascript'
12:40
the world's most unfortunately labeled racecar http://t.co/8jDnLP0Jsp
Jeff Atwood doesnt watch Top Gear it seems
what an excellent taste he must have
@CatPlusPlus that's nice
Is there a decent opensource game engine that is similar to that used for the 'World of Goo', in terms of performance and ease of use? GDI and SDL doesn't seem to be good enough.
I know GDI and SDL are not game engines... oh well, you get my inferred points.
any suggestions?
off-topic
right
Ell
Ell
Microsoft Word
13:13
try Excel
haha
@edition too broad
@milleniumbug so?
you haven't listed your requirements
if you're writing a game you should use actual game engines, not multimedia frameworks
@edition The game engine is beside the point, what made World of Goo was the physics engine, which was the Open Dynamics Engine.
13:17
don't make the same mistake as me
Also, with your experience, you're setting the bar sky high. Which is never a good idea.
also you haven't listed your goal
like playing the piano and guitar by ear, I guess programming is just an impulsive action in some respects.
@milleniumbug something like space invaders to begin with, I don't want to elaborate on the specifics of goals at the moment.
@milleniumbug Maybe fast physics solving, fluid graphics, sounds, etc
@milleniumbug So my goal is to make a space invaders clone.
you don't even know what you want do you
"fast physics solving" implies a game with complex physics which space invaders isn't
what time CEST does the jam start
13:24
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@edition how about the engine that was used for World of Goo
Ell
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Idk but I might have to bail
it's free to use
@BartekBanachewicz what is it called? :/
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13:24
Im bedridden currently
@edition is google down?
@edition you don't need a complex engine for that one anyway
for such a simple game, a multimedia framework should be enough
if something more complex then use an actual engine
you really just need "load and display a sprite" and "tell me which keys are pressed"
perhaps also "what time is it"
I get what you guys are saying, its just because of the current time that my thinking process is lacking.
@Nooble so are we teaming up or not
I really do think that using OpenGL directly is a bad idea tho
13:28
too low-level if your goal is to make a game
ye
if I go alone I'll prolly use either Love or Phaser.js
Hate isn't ready yet I guess
also Haskell for game jams is another bad idea
I once made a space invaders clone using panels in C# (please don't laugh) and a timer.
why should we laugh
as a player I don't give jack shit about the technology you use
it's fine, you're still learning
because using C# WinForms to make a game is retarded
13:30
there's shitton of examples for C# with Unity, DirectX, whatever
depends on the game
I made an offline Ogame clone in VB6
I miss VB6 actually, such a great IDE.
Aurora is in VB6 or something even earlier
it really tells a lot about this industry if I want the tools from 20 years ago
@CatPlusPlus Modern!
13:38
I find the terms 'unmanaged' and 'unsafe' used by Microsoft irritating, even if they make sense.
and IJW.
I find MSVC irritating sometimes
why is the process of creating ActiveX components so obscure?
@edition are you talking about its hatred for sprintf?
because it's a black magic art that usually summons zombies and demons
Always make sure your circles are closed and drawn with the proper grometry.
13:41
ActiveX is obsolete
yes, yes, I know, I know
@fredoverflow that guy in the video is too cool. Starbucks, javascript... he has everything.
and bugs committed as features
UB in javascript becomes a cool feature/visual effect
compilers should warn you: Warning: doing X triggers undefined behavior. Do you want to commit this code as javascript?
because alf has a no-sillywarnings header on his blog that shuts MSVC up about unused functions and using standard library functions that MSVC disapproves of, and all the other stupid shit.
sprintf is unsafe
@CatPlusPlus too broad for me.
13:43
It is, but if you bounds-check the input variables, and check the length of the string
Then it's still unsafe
@CatPlusPlus You work for Microsoft, you, cat?
may I ask why?
Only sprintf implementation knows how long the final string will be
Ell
Ell
13:44
There is sprintfn or something which is safe
sprintf_s in MS lib
either way don't use C crap
There's sprintf_s or snprintf but they're not much better
oh, Windows is written in C.
They won't go outside of the buffer, sure, but truncating is still silly
13:45
@BartekBanachewicz How is your Haskell experience going?
@CatPlusPlus no, it is cool instead
@BartekBanachewicz it was in a loop where to_string was taking up most of the time
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ what do you mean?
Still working in Haskell? Doing anything with it? Abandoned it?
@jaggedSpire too vague
13:46
Use a library that can manage the buffer properly
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ well, I don't really have much time to do it, but I certainly haven't abandoned it. The only coding outside work I do is Haskell.
ah the fair competition.. theverge.com/2015/9/5/9264261/…
@BartekBanachewicz :c why
A company advertising its own product on its own site call the police
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ because you won't be coding long enough to get the benefits, and the downsides are there.
13:47
no Edge browser as default one? Sure you can choose another one.. just enter any 25-digit prime number here
Woot. Actual times.
@MarcoA. anti trust case, maybe!! :D
Well, fair competition would be all to be considered equally. Microsoft is using its position to level the playfield. I'd do it, too, if Windows were mine.
I would secretly uninstall other browsers, or corrupt their files from time to time agree with you
> No matter how much you like pizza, every once in a while you might want something a bit more adventurous for dinner.
13:52
insects
I made that mistake once and ended up with stinky fish. Also, there's this place here that sells pizzas with a diameter of 1 meter.
I eat all kinds of food
I love most cuisines
@ElimGarak shut up and take my money
One-step deployment processes are easy:

1) Call another programmer and tell him to do it
2) Profit!
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Now what should I have for tea
I think I want tomato soup
13:55
@Ell Pizza and fish
I love peppermint tea to go with cakes
Ell
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I don't think I can stomach fish
maybe I should do high tea buffet sometimes
Ell
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I ate it yesterday and I think this is, what made me ill
@Ell was it cooked?
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13:57
Seemingly not
@Ell are you sure it was fish?
Ell
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Wat
@Ell it could be any manner of white protein.
Why are you eating uncooked fish
Are you a bear
@Ell made to look like a fish
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Ell
13:58
It wasn't on purpose :3
the question is, was there a fish in the first place?
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It might have been something else anyway
Maybe it was err the chips? >.<
@CatPlusPlus it's called sashimi

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