@CatPlusPlus My guess is that the huge majority of people here don't think the problems with SO chat are bad enough to warrant a full migration to a different service.
"We don't want to suspend people, but we want the flags to stop. You don't have any power to fix this, but we're going to bother you about it anyways." ???
@R.MartinhoFernandes Question is, how long, if mods remove owners for irrational reasons. I think the situation can only get worse from there. With people taking refuge on mumble, irc, slack and so on, I see this room fading. Not that I particularly care, but it's reasonable to talk about it IMO
@sehe When I said "swoop", I meant "swoop them in to have this conversation with mods", not "swoop them up and remove them from the room owner list". /cc @TonyTheLion
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Easy to downplay it. I say, someone caused a lot of confusion, and people responded in adequate bafflement. It's sad it took ~10 minutes for the confusion to be dispelled
If you think it's relevant to the discussion, then feel free... the room was there so have a bit of feedback and have a chat about concerns without interruption and to allow freedom to speak out about specifics that may not be appropriate in public... Feel free to share anything that isn't too specific
The problem yesterday was essentially that there had been excessive flagging by some trolls in this room, and @JonClements had been doing a lot of modding of this room specifically, looking into flaggers, etc. From what I got from @JonClements he was getting a bit fed up having to deal with it as much as he had been, and so he asked some of the room owners if we could help him by more quickly going to kick/mute, NOT antagonizing flaggers, and then sending him mod flags.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva it's kind of sad how, after trolling so hard yourself on occasion, you choose to portray this as a feat of utter immorality. We're still the same people, remember? (hopeful sideways glance)
@AndyProwl I guess the main thing I got from it was to not openly antagonzing people that we suspect of flagging, or openly antangonizing anyone coming in here. If they are annoying, then tell them, if they don't listen, just kick/mute. Flag for mod
@thecoshman I assume maybe he wants to be mod-flagged in earlier so we can be constructive about it with the help of mod tools, instead of being paranoid and trying to smoke the trolls out
I was in that room too, and tbh I didn't get all that much out of the initial discussion. It was rather wishy-washy with Jon reassuring us he was on our side. Didn't take part in the discussion after that, and then the room poofed out of existence. So yeah.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I don't think that's really relevant. Try to see the people instead of getting hung up on some behaviour that crosses a imaginary threshold. I think I would agree more with you if you didn't cause a lot more fuzz by getting morally superior in the middle of a stressed situation. I think it was not helping. Which is why asked you to reflect on your own contribution (did it help?))
@R.MartinhoFernandes To be fair, if they were given the impression of it being secret they'd need to find a way outside of SO to contact you (plausible for some, but not for others?)
@AndyProwl Yeah. I suppose it was meant as, please target your anti-troll measures, instead going on with-hunts and potentially causing unnecessary upset.
@JonClements you bud, want to fucking pass comments on how to this room can help mods do their job, try posting a message here so we can fucking see shit like. You'd be ammazed at how many more people read it when they can read it
@thecoshman the idea being the ROs would pass on my comments and have a constructive conversation relaying concerns here.... which is kind of happening now...
@R.MartinhoFernandes Somewhat. There's going to be some stuff on his end to see if he can push for better chat features. Jon also admits that chat is neglected. And I've made some suggestions. I hope a moderator's voice will be stronger than a bunch of Lounge people whom we have a bad reputation for anyways.
@JonClements Many room owners didn't have a clue, which is probably why some simple misunderstandings derailed the discussion (a lot). Take away for next time? /cc @thecoshman
And I'll re-iterate, the private room was not to hide anything, just to allow un-interrupted and focused conversation and if someone wanted to name/shame someone... that's best not brought out in public.
@CatPlusPlus Well, unfortunately for me I've never had a DX feature kind of just error and do the wrong thing... maybe I'm just lucky. Still a bit sad, it's not like my OpenGL drivers are like hot-fresh off the press, and these functions aren't new either. ;~;
@JonClements but you came to an end statement, one that should impact not just how the owners here deal with 'trouble' but how the other regulars do to. I hate to play the 'we're different card'... but we certainly are large room. We self imposed that simply being regular doesn't make you owner, as we'd have far too many.
@thecoshman There were parts of that discussion that obviously could not possibly be done in public. Nobody there would disagree with that. But I wasn't sure where to draw the line.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva A couple of times... and to me it makes completely sense to not raise flags outside the room for a little while... However, the concern I believe is that for smaller rooms and those that don't have enough 10k users, there's the potential for bad stuff to sit around for a lot longer than it should
@JonClements Doesn't seem too problematic, have flags expand to other rooms after a couple minutes if unhandled, or immediately if there's less than X people in?
But that would require thinking and algorithms and that is difficult, so it's better to just freeze the lounge, one of the most active rooms on the site.
@JonClements Or just, IDK, let owners be like IRC operators. Let them actually moderate their chat room instead of making them be able to do... nothing.
@JonClements I mean, it's not like it's hard for the sever to check how many 10k users are in the room with the flag and if it's not enough warn those in other rooms, or randomly select them or anything
The best I can do is completely agree the chat tooling is shite, and continue to try my best to work with the lounge and work out how you don't to have to put up with so much shit, and at the same time keep the noise down for other rooms