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10:00 PM
 
> *** Error in `gdb': double free or corruption
 
Xeo
bleh, headache
off to sleep
 
All the gods have abandoned me.
 
for some reason, she decided that the optimum thing to do was to wake up and walk all the way across the room dragging her blanket
 
@thecoshman awww... I like this room - it's always an interesting read :p Also, since I'm highly trained ninja puppy, it'd take a lot to get me out the door :p
 
10:02 PM
and then just stand there looking at us
 
user406009
@Griwes Valgrind.
 
@Griwes I'm still here with you #notrapptz
 
for absolutely no apparent reason
 
Xeo
@Griwes only the gdbs
 
user406009
Valgrind is always the answer for memory issues.
 
10:02 PM
(won't go down without some growling and clawing!)
 
@Lalaland ...I'm not going to debug gdb, ugh.
 
user406009
Oh, GDB is the one failing.
 
Xeo
@Griwes try debugging it with gdb
 
user406009
That sucks.
 
...
 
Xeo
10:02 PM
and when that crashes, debug that with lldb
 
And when that crashes?
 
debug it with gdb!
 
Hook a remote MSVC debugger to it?
 
Xeo
and then port to windows and use VC's debugger
 
debug it in your head?
 
Xeo
10:03 PM
and when that crashes you can just blame MS like always
 
Did you know that @Starbucks is hiring? They don't care if you know how to properly rotate log files or not.
 
what if the website you're using to complain crashes?
 
@Griwes IDGI
 
Sad server.
 
10:04 PM
rotating log files sounds easier than rotating burgers for example
 
@Griwes oooh
 
I'm not saying that a blood sacrifice is guaranteed to fix sendmail. I'm just saying it's worth a shot.
hahahhahahha
 
user406009
Also, we should fix our room description to match the title.
 
lol sendmail
I think I exploited that once for lolz on my own machine on my own network in a test environment
 
user406009
"It's not a bug, its an important part of the ecosystem"
 
10:05 PM
@3v0 thank you!
 
starbucks really annoys me most of the time because their drinks are good but on an average day the queues are long and the wait time to get to order is like 20 mins
 
@ElimGarak Congrats on effecting a change in the room name for the first time in a longe time
 
I like the one that has combined chocolate with chocolate flakes and frappe
 
@AlexM. wait, were you Mr. "Consumerism" Fastfood?
I think it's all coming back now
 
10:07 PM
be careful not to think I'm rapptz
what do you mean by consumerism?
 
Starbucks may have terrific coffee but never once have I been tempted to go inside
 
@Griwes have you tried using emacs over sendmail :P
 
user406009
@sehe Free wifi.
 
I rarely order coffee haha I just like the crazy mixed drinks
1 min ago, by Alex M.
I like the one that has combined chocolate with chocolate flakes and frappe
^ there's also one with cream and crushed ice
 
@Lalaland ... sigh. That's another thing you never want
 
10:08 PM
@sehe There is a lot better coffee than what Starbucks has to offer
 
so I've heard
 
Pizza [ˈpittsa]
Lamenting when you can't comfortably walk to nearest pizza palace.
Listing shopping malls as tourist attractions.
Idk. Maybe I imagine things
 
I think I've had the worst coffee at mcdonalds
 
which is weird because their coffee is bought from segafredo zanetti so in theory it should be the same as their coffee everywhere else
 
10:09 PM
don't drink coffee at McDonalds
 
I like mcdonald's coffee
 
jeesuz
 
I'm not a coffee snob like you folks though
 
I think they dilute it a lot or sth because it felt like colored water
 
@TonyTheLion This is what I hope. And regardless, if it means I can have my coffee in a place that doesn't try to convert me to a religion and pay twice the value...
 
10:09 PM
thats like against the Geneva convention on Human Rights
 
I just need mah caffiene
 
I like the coffee my machine makes out of capsules
the taste is strong and never feels watery or anything
 
coffee is for illiterate peasants
2
 
@sehe didn't know starbucks tries to convert people to a religion.
 
Ell
I haven't tried Coffee in years
 
10:10 PM
except coffee-flavoured desserts, such as coffee cake
 
I can drink pretty much anything as long as it looks more or less like coffee.
 
tiramisu <3
 
I specifically opted out of that. We had such a machine for a year or two. And I began loathing the repeat-taste and worrying about chemicals and in fattyness in general. So after >10 years of senseo and then dolce gusto we're back at pre-ground filter coffee.
 
Ell
I do like. Offwe dessert
 
Not bad.
 
10:11 PM
@TonyTheLion It's pretty amazing. You step in one place and you instantly become a religion with a thousand worshippers and a single church. Then you have to perform miracles and such to grow yourself.
 
A Dude at my workplace roasts, grinds and then presses his own imported beans at work. Really great coffee but, you know.
 
Coffee-hazelnut fluffy cake :3
 
@sehe I'd like a coffee machine like my parents'
 
I might consider a proper (beans) coffee maker in our next kitchen
 
@Puppy TIL
 
10:12 PM
it takes coffee beans grinds them and turns them into coffee
but it cost them 1k eur :\
 
it's kinda shit not being a human being anymore though and only being a religion
 
I'm not sure I'd pay that much
it works well tho
 
I'd hope so
 
Ell
1k for a coffee machine sounds absurd
 
tbh I'd also expect it to clean itself for that much money but no
you still have to clean it yourself
 
10:13 PM
AHHH I MESSED UP ALL MY INCLUDES.
 
My coffee machine cost me 85GBP
@Nooble did you check it in before you changed that?
 
Poor Nooble... trying to fight the C++ system...
 
@TonyTheLion No, it was messed up to begin with.
 
A friend gave me his coffee machine for free.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Reminds me of how I really like the vegetables that our daughter takes home from her own vegetable garden.
 
10:13 PM
1k is not that outrageous if it has pressurised containers and what have you.
 
@CaptainGiraffe That's a "school" project (actually not organized by them, but aimed at primary schoolers)
 
home-grown tomatoes taste fucking incredible compared to supermarket-bought ones
 
Ell
Dammit I am getting @tony and @andy confused now that I've heard them both speak. How can this be :v
I need to meet @tony to restore the balance
 
@sehe I'm wildly guessing you have a grown up daughter with actual great veggies? =)
 
@Ell Mumble.
 
10:14 PM
@Ell please, lets meet
 
Right nowwww.
 
That's awesome. The stuff is really tasty.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Actual veggies, but she's 9
 
user406009
10:15 PM
@Nooble Can you do me a big favor and star this message? I want to test something.
 
!=)
 
I had my own veggie garden as a kid
but I stopped doing it when I discovered computers
 
Ell
@nooble I can't :/ away and mobile n all
 
@Lalaland That wasn't Nooble :)
 
RIP veggies
 
Ell
10:15 PM
I had my own veggie garden but stopped when it was too much effort and bad tasting veggies :/ my own fault though
 
user406009
Doesn't matter. It looks like the other api is fixed.
 
user406009
No star usernames are being leaked.
 
Ell
I still grow rhubarb though. That is so easy it requires literally no effort once it is planted
 
it sounds lovely
 
@sehe I don't know what to think about the veggies now, but either way it is awesome. I grow quite a lot of my own veggies
 
10:16 PM
That is surprising to me.
I didn't anticipate enjoying that so much. And I'm not even the one doing the gardening (that might make me re-consider my positive views even ... :S).
 
@Ell Rhubarb marmalade is the best *-*
 
But it is quite awesome that they get this opportunity (for a very small contribution) and learn how stuff works and how you can provide with "simple" effort
 
Ell
I made rhubarb and vanilla jam
 
Anything homegrown is superior (almost axiomatic).
 
@Ell Yup we have that in our own garden to
 
Ell
10:18 PM
I'm not sure of the difference between jam and marmalade
 
@CaptainGiraffe Well it has a magic property that makes it valuable.
That magic property is a piece of yourself in a way, attention given.
 
@Ell Bzzt, effort canceled right here. Marmelade is chunky.
@sehe Indeed.
 
Ell
orange marmelade isnt chunky :o
It has bits in it, but not chunky
 
It is orange
> How to deal with boost::detail::variant::void_ spam in error messages?
Well (dons sunglasses), deal with it ꙭ — sehe 1 min ago
 
For quite a few produce during the summer months my garden produces vastly superior products to whatever I can find at the market. Even stuff marked organic, ecological and locally grown.
There is no substitute for good soil and care for your product. (Old coding adage)
 
10:23 PM
i
 
@ScottW none
@ScottW one
 
What was the case?
 
I smell a premeditated set-up
 
come on no props for my iJoke?
 
@Puppy I liked it (beggar)
@ScottW 1/5
 
user406009
10:24 PM
@Puppy What would imply if we somehow got bartek^4, he could run the lounge.
 
/wp-content ah, the source of our supplies.
 
I rest in my case
 
Wow. Nice piece of Simpsons microfiction exple.tive.org/blarg/2015/09/01/couch-gags-eternal
 
So I tried to connect to our Exchange! server through my phone today. It required a permission to "Wipe (Factory reset) the phone without warning over any network". I decided against that install.
 
WTF
Doesn't really make you sound stringent on security somehow :)
 
10:29 PM
!!!!!!!!!!? That's even a permission!?
 
It's useful for anti-theft/damage control software
 
That'd be like installing software on your PC and it saying "This software wants to the right to format your disks"
 
It is an option for an exchange server apparently. The app was the regular Gmail app.
 
Useful in the same kind of scenarios
 
@sehe oh yeah... that makes sense... but that's a no go if I'm installing a game or something to keep my mate's little brats busy for a few minutes
 
10:30 PM
@JonClements of course
 
@JonClements Almost, it is installing an app all of your root. a.ll..you..r bas..es ar.e belon.g to ..us.
 
@ScottW poss... bin hangin' 'bout 'bit anywayz.. git eny probz wit dat bruz?
 
@CaptainGiraffe phone permissions are getting pretty ridiculous
 
@JonClements 3/10 needs more work
 
No, wipe the email list is fine for a lost scenario. Also by the time of the wipe, a proficient criminal will have done the dirty.
 
10:32 PM
the permission is fine.
It's just bonkers that the app requests it
 
Just in general, phone applications seem to request every permission under the sun these days
 
Bonkers is also why our IT department requested it when we moved to office265.
 
For Apple at least, this is recommended in many circumstances (go figure)
@CaptainGiraffe Not as bonkers as moving for office265 (!!)
 
Nothing good have come from it.
 
office 256 sounds like a good software
 
10:34 PM
@sehe just 3/10? :( Umm.... is it 'cos I didn't use some expletives?
 
program versions should go in powers of 2
 
So does Office 265 not work 100 days out of the year or something
 
There are only two hard problems in computer science.
 
@JonClements Nah. The misspellings were a bit forced
 
The most difficult CS problem is "What the hell do I name this shit"
 
10:35 PM
Knowing how MS do version numbering, it's completely plausible that Office 265 is actually the next version of 365
 
@Prismatic The most difficult problem in CS is naming // FTFY
 
@ScottW peace and word up bruv, yo
 
@Prismatic It bit me no later than today.
 
@JonClements touché
 
max_element_and_is_sorted_until is not a pretty name ._______.
 
10:36 PM
Dudes "off by one errors"?!
 
@Morwenn obvious_fact_is_obvious
 
@sehe sarcasm_too
 
@Morwenn You simply want is_sorted() followed by last()
 
@Morwenn call it meaisu()
 
@CaptainGiraffe The tricky thing is, if you're off by one - how many times are you actually off by one?
 
10:37 PM
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@JonClements The hardest problem in CS!
 
@sehe Not really.
 
HARDESTEST: Naming the number of off by one errors in cache invalidation code.
 
This is why we all rely on the UniVac.
 
@Mr.kbok I also have its companion max_element_and_is_sorted_until, so the names would clash :/
 
10:40 PM
@Morwenn I know. But it makes little sense to do it this way.
@Morwenn Make a visitor with pluggable "search objectives" so you can do both at once (tie(max, sorted) = visit_range(peak_search, verify_ordering))
 
@Morwenn max_element_and_is_sorted_until, and max_element_and_is_sorted_until ?
 
@sehe I thought about that too, but I only needed a simple additional algorithm, not to redesign <algorithm> from scratch.
 
Code Review Suggestion #72: sanity_is_for_wusses and if_you_read_this_you_are_screwed
^ instant improvement
@Morwenn cop out
 
@Mr.kbok Erf, min...
 
maxeiasu and mineiasu
 
10:42 PM
alexandreiasu
 
it fits into the 8 char limit d:D
 
@ScottW <3
 
@Mr.kbok they look like acronyms of long anime titles
 
@Morwenn good call
@Mr.kbok yet, POSIX will reject it because it contains more than 1 vowel
 
@sehe is this a thing?
template<typename Parent, typename Member, int Method>
	struct field_info_type {
		std::string name;
		Member Parent::*field;

		field_info_type(std::string const &n, Member Parent::*f) : name(n), field(f) {}
	};
 
10:46 PM
what are you referring to?
 
this little fella carries both "static" members and runtime members
 
I think Fusion has it. Technically an extension
 
Yes, prolly
but given the poll results I don't want to rely on boost
 
Pardon what is Fusion?
 
Boost.Fusion
 
10:47 PM
oh
 
One of the most reinvented parts of Boost.
 
at any point you can "unwrap" static members to use them in code, but you still may use at compile time. confusing as hell.
 
Who else has taken the XKCD?
 
I did
 
user406009
@Morwenn Sorta hard to tell, since boost has grown so large.
 
10:48 PM
@Mr.kbok so I missed the poll as well
 
I did the sock thing but never told anyone
 
user406009
I don't think anyone knows the full boost collection nowadays.
 
@Mr.kbok paradox
@Morwenn Not at all, actually. Are you confused with bind/lambda/phoenix and friends?
 
@sehe Where were you ???? strawpoll.me/5385236
 
@Morwenn Or did you mean outside of Boost. Then, perhaps yes
 
10:50 PM
@Morwenn I think PP is
 
@sehe I meant reinvented by people who didn't realize that there was such a tool in Boost and rolled their own solution.
 
Granted then :)
 
Hello
 
@sehe I only need a weaker TYPEOF, so for msvc clients at least I'll lift the boost dependency.
 
I still don't think it's the "most-reinvented" part, but I'd agree if you said most re-invented with a high cost
@EthanBierlein Good Morning, Minneapolis
 
10:52 PM
Uh, it's like 6PM here.
 
There's type erasure at some point. I have a hinch it serves as a barrier for exploding compilation times. Not sure if true/worth it.
 
Premature then :)
@elyse ^ your kind of poll [xkcd]
 
@EthanBierlein just switch to Universal Greeting Time already :P
 
Oh, okay then.
Good morning all.
 
user406009
@sehe They just need to ask: "Which is the best type of fold operation? Right fold or left fold?"
 
10:55 PM
good morning
 
@EthanBierlein really. 1 am here
@EthanBierlein Good (UGT) Morning
@unordered_meow I was late I see
@Lalaland That's a real question with a proper answer. I'd avoid that
 
fun fact: in Polish there's "Dzień dobry" which functions both as "Good morning" and "Good afternoon"
 
user406009
This is why we should go by ChatTime(tm), where it's always morning when someone enters the chat and night when they leave.
 
yeah see above
 
In Swedish there is "Tjena", Which is "Sorry to see you at this or any other hour".
 

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