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11:00
original idea donut steel
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hahahahahaha
I work in hpc
Look who's there
I work on GPU compilers and debuggers, I'm only in this room occasionally though.
@TartanLlama Which one?
11:04
@JayeshBadwaik i ve done a thesis on parallel numerical methods for PDE resolution
So I know to whom I can complain now
and I really like numerical simulation :)
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@coincoin Hey! Cool!
There's a GPU room now (since yesterday):
there is nobody ~~
11:07
Because nobody does GPU :D
Why do you think MPI is dead @MaiLongdong
@MaiLongdong Hah, my company does contracts for many different companies; re-targeting LLDB towards specific GPUs, working on their OpenCL implementations etc.
@coincoin I didn't say "MPI is dead" I meant "you're gonna die" because MPI is godawful
I wish MPI would die
Oh I kind of agree
See it's even a thing
11:08
the problem is that if you need to parallelize non trivial problems
well you have to do it
and for distributed computing you don't have much choice
Being OK with MPI is like being OK with CMake or Visual Studio
why have I clicked this link x)
user796530
@MaiLongdong then what do you use as a build system?
What do you mean ?
all build systems are awful
11:10
Well so do better ;) ?
It's less awful than ...
@Griwes WUT!?
MPI should be replaced by something cleaner and easier to work with and less error prone
@MaiLongdong That HPX thingy looks pretty nice.
OpenCL by comparison is far better designed and encompasses much of the semantics of MPI already!
user796530
There are efforts to do that. I forgot the name though.
11:12
CLion 1.1 - nothing new in Windows support.
I haven't followed the OpenCL evolution towards distributed computing do you have revelant links ?
I doubt that you have all the features that MPI propose
It isn't evolving in that direction, but the model is large enough to cover a good part of what MPI does already
This is why I said:
13 mins ago, by Mai Longdong
I had this brilliant idea the other day which is to implement an OpenCL platform that drives MPI, so you could use MPI with OpenCL semantics, which is genius.
@thecoshman WTF?! These people...
So you can do message passing with OpenCL now ?
oh
well it's not that simple
original idea donut steel
@Griwes I haven't really checked that out much
11:14
the problem is not new. Provide a generic interface which handle different level of parallelism :
@MaiLongdong Me neither - but it is neat from the language PoV.
coarse grained, fine grained etc...
Plus as far as I can understand you can just straight call functions remotely.
currently nobody offers that
Or something like that.
11:15
but everybody wants to achieve this
(Since Bryce was telling me about troubles serializing functions.)
@coincoin Can you rephrase?
I mean that if you take the OpenCL case :
@Griwes how about gay calls are those possible
@MaiLongdong -.-
11:16
Years to achieve a interface where you can do multicore and GPGPU with same "paradigm"
typical patriarcal library
I thought you could separate lol discussions and actual dicscussions.
what makes you think I'm not serious
And you look at the codes they are often different when you target different architectures....
@coincoin The OpenCL paradigm is broad enough to encompass it
NDRange, work group, work item, subgroup. It's all there already.
Device, sub device...
11:17
You can't currently have a generic code which is performant on any kind of parallel architectures
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ What drama did I miss? :)
Hence the use of hybrid parallel languages : OpenMP, MPI, CUDA/OpenCL in numerical simulation
@coincoin Hence my idea
:p
(donut steel)
Well I kind of agree with you but in this problem :
Is that algorithmically
11:19
Agreeing with me is usually the right thing to do
and regarding hardwares
it is very difficult to have something which is intelligent enough to do the job for you
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I Was wondering what this was about.
When you look at high level interface : they produce code for you
11:20
Of course, I didn't say that. I only proposed unifying the APIs.
Oh I see. Well.
Don't learn OpenMP+MPI+OpenCL. Just learn OpenCL.
It's not a strict superset of the others but it can do much of what they do
The way you write distributed OpenCL, multicore OpenCL for instance wouuld be completely different
@wilx Just classic Lounge conversation :)
@AmagicalFishy WUT?!?!?!
11:22
for instance, so it would be like : I have different languages/philosophy in a unified lnaguage with same syntax
How are languages philosophies again?
@coincoin How is it different?
Luc Danton alert, incoming witty replies
The way you parallelize multi core code and distributed code is different
So basically you write two different OpenCL codes
Meh, I don't really agree
which would call different OpenCL routines
11:24
13 hours ago, by sehe
@thecoshman I can remind you of this periodically
sehe so peristent
but I agree with you finally @MaiLongdong I would also like to see a "unified" interface :)
Here's an example I pulled out of my buttiful butt:
But I doubt OpenCL would do that.
Imagine you have a cluster machines with heterogeneous hardware (as in, a mix of CPU and GPU). You can see the whole cluster as a big device on which you could schedule an NDrange with a number of work groups of different sizes, which would get scheduled on CPU or GPU of each machine transparently.
The difficult problem is more the smart partitioning and scheduling, really, but I believe the idea holds.
original idea donut steel
Indeed, when I tell that codes are different is regarding this problem. On complex cases, you can't afford to have a generic code. Parallel algorithms targetting different parallel architectures would always be different. So unless OpenCL takes the bet to generate different parallel codes for us (and it would be more than an API), we would have to do that ourselves.
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11:36
dude
user1804599
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@coincoin Classic tradeoff, performance vs portability
anyway time to go home!
bye guis love u all most of you
I'm still quite convinced that something that would automagically scale from a CPU to a cluster of GPUs would be neat :)
(original idea donut steel)
fuck people who come to work while sick
If your language has a GC, but has no interface to that GC from within the language, then your language sucks. :F
std::declare_reachable
Xeo
Xeo
11:49
@AndyProwl I come to work sneezing like a maniac, but I'm not sick.
@Griwes what is the :F smiley meant to look like
is it teeth?
@AndyProwl It's not meant to actually look on your physical face, you know.
Xeo
Xeo
It's a :P with the tip of the tongue cut off
@Griwes that's true of all smileys
@AndyProwl You mean your face doesn't constantly look like xD?
11:51
@Griwes depends on the amount of beers I had
@Xeo I don't get it, what is that cut-off meant to represent?
Xeo
Xeo
twas a joke :<
ah. I suck at humour
@Mgetz lol my desktop can't handle 4k smoothly
@wilx fairly sure that's a joke thing...
@AndyProwl o_0 so stream at a lower resolution
11:55
@AndyProwl I have a relatively new graphics card (GTX780Ti) and it still struggles, odd that skylake will be able to do it
@thecoshman thank you wise man
@AndyProwl np old man
so what does the ":F" smiley mean?
is it drooling?
@AndyProwl it's when you are liking something
:FPussy
8 mins ago, by Griwes
If your language has a GC, but has no interface to that GC from within the language, then your language sucks. :F
11:57
It's a general use emoticon that means whatever you need it to mean at any given moment. :F
@AndyProwl vOv
^O^
@Griwes no it's not! :F
:Fuck the internet
@Griwes 8===B
@AndyProwl you're liking that Duck real deep
11:57
@AndyProwl I thought it was either buck teeth or a vampire
@thecoshman duck yeah
@Mgetz vampire is :[
:B is rabbit
@thecoshman I raise you a moustash :{
12:08
@Mgetz not yet
12:20
Oh god. That was Epic. Sadly, mods nuke comments even in private chatrooms now... :( chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/87378
@sehe canny see captain!
@sehe sorry to ruin the show :p
user1804599
oh shit mods
@elyse just don't say fuck and we might be ok
user1804599
fuckkake
user1804599
12:23
genesis for mod!
@elyse with or without Phil Collins?
user1804599
No idea who Phil Collins is.
user1804599
> Philip David Charles "Phil" Collins, LVO (born 30 January 1951), is an English singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, music producer and actor. He gained fame as both the drummer and lead singer for the rock band Genesis, and he also gained worldwide fame as a solo artist.
user1804599
dat pun
user1804599
inb4 pirate complains about me not knowing about some popular musician and robor/etienne about "kids these days"
12:31
if I want to create svn branch of project with changes in the working copy, should I check in the changes first, then create the branch, or just create a branch from working copy? (I don't want my changes in trunk)
Guys, I am getting this error: `gm' undeclared (first use in this function) but there is no
'gm' in my function
what do I do?
@KalaJ whats in the function?
should I copy and paste the function?
github gist
@KalaJ have an SSCCE?
12:34
@elyse I'll do both
user1804599
This is an SSCCE:
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user image
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Short, Self Contained, Correct Example cf google
@elyse :)
Warning above code is C but C++ is the closest active chatroom to C lol
where is that from @elyse
darn pastebin is blocked for me
user1804599
google images for query "stack trace or gtfo"
???
why is pastebin blocked?
oh I wanted to know more from the artiste ~~
corporate policy @KalaJ
12:37
what about gist?
@KalaJ try coliru
gist is fine I don't know why they have blocked pastebin
ffs don't star feeds ¬_¬
12:38
@JonClements lol. Something about forests and trees. Makes me think temporary insanity must be a thing. ..
@KalaJ So it was first undefined usage of 'gm'?
@sehe insanity's good... I tried it once and never looked back :p
user1804599
unsigned integers suck
why that @elyse
12:40
@KalaJ why unsigned int 32bit, 4 byte, you?
but I don't have a gm in my function
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ because everyone who cares about xkcd is subbed to it already, there's nothing contextually funny about it. it's stupid, it's worthless.
sooo why does it say gm?
people star tony reddit stuff everyday
@KalaJ 'gm' could me pretending to be someone else.
12:42
like?
a function?
The error I get is : In function 'processButtons', 'gm' undeclared...,(each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in).
Also there is a hint? parse error before numeric constant
can you find any existing definitions in other headers referring to gm?
12:43
@KalaJ doesnt compile. I can guess U32, U16 and U8, but then I get compiler errors about SPS, getSwitches() and other stuff.
not an SSCCE...
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ but that's not automated spam
@elyse but that precious bit of space!!!
what is meant by this?
parse error before numeric constant
@coincoin itreally doesn't bring enough to justify it's failings
Aaaaah, no coffee anymore ç____ç
@thecoshman What difference does it make if Tony posts it instead of Feeds?
12:44
@KalaJ that there is a numeric constant the parser does not expect.
hmm which one?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ and it's not the posting, it's the staring
It's parasoft but it's built on top of eclipse
on the line it just says a yellow swiggy line with a question mark saying syntax error and nothing else
@KalaJ at 12:46AM, all I can say is that, getSwitches thinks it's called gm. Maybe.
or something is using gm.
there is no gm, I checked LOL That is so weird
12:47
@thecoshman don't tell me what to do
I wonder where gm even comes from
@KalaJ well, you got 3 identifiers on that line you did not explain: getSwitches(), RFON_BUTTON and FOOTSWITCH - where are the definitions for those?
opp!!!
found it!
thank you lol
I checked the header file for getSwitches()
Rubber duck debugging.
and the macros def of a macro pointed to a gm
12:48
hooray!
@ArneMertz be a proud rubber duck
lol thanks!
alright
@KalaJ was that function for a project using MIDI I/O?
why?
@KalaJ cause I want to steal your ideas.
12:52
lol no
ok then
I partly get the impression that Boost devs are retarded
And that is not improved by having to read priv_ as a prefix designating "private"
(Or at least so I figured)
lol
anyone can help me? trying to reverse the MFC app and have no idea where to look for data change in document? trying to set breakpoint at SetModifiedFlag(int) and no result (((
@FertoVordalastr debug???
@Griwes quack
12:58
@thecoshman The question remains
Reversing the MFC app is one of my favourite pastimes.
@FertoVordalastr sorry, is english not your first language?
@edition ida pro. debugging. never worked with MFC and cant figure out what to do... my aim is to find out how this app saves its data to file, i found where is file saved, but all data is already modified.
@edition nope ( sorry. i'm bad at english
@Columbo ...link it properly
13:01
@Griwes You talkin' to me?
@Columbo follow the arrow
@Columbo SO has xkcd oneboxing
tl;dr yes
@Griwes I see nobody else around here, you must be talking to me?
13:01
@Columbo Post the link to the xkcd
This way.
Ugh.
He fixed it
me too
why would anyone star "Ugh."
13:02
stop starring bullshit
stop the random starring
ahahaa, what is this??? XD
PUHLEAZE
it's my domain
@R.MartinhoFernandes i'm new to reversing... any hint on how to find where is the part of application, that packing/coding/or i dunno what else doing with data, before saving it? (
13:04
@FlorianMargaine I know. It doesn't always work, though.
@FertoVordalastr ah, decompiling, reverse engineering?
@TonyTheLion Can you remove the star on "Why not", pls?
you mean the star?
13:06
Danke
boost::container::vector<>::insert_ordered_at is nice.
@edition yeap. any hint?
@edition or maybe there's a way to catch mousedown on breakpoint in ida pro?
@Columbo insert_ordered_at? How does that work? at implies "where i want it", and ordered "where it needs to in order to not break the sorted-ness of the sequence" how can you satisfy both? =/
(No I'm not looking at the docs)
@FertoVordalastr have you tried Spy++ first, so you can get an understanding of events?
guys, am I right or wrong here?
You are fold
13:10
wrongfold
@Borgleader It takes a list of positions and values. The function inserts the values at the given positions. However, it is (obviously) more efficient that a loop with corresponding calls to insert. (I like how it says "Absolutely experimental. This function might change, disappear or simply crash!" but it's used within flat_tree, which is what I'm looking at stealing)
@FertoVordalastr you got Spy++ installed on your computer hard drive?
@Borgleader It's not documented AFAICS
hi cat
@Columbo So its a ranged insert then?
13:14
@edition not yet. will install
@FertoVordalastr installed yet?
@Borgleader I don't know what one would call it.
But yeah, it inserts a range (sort of)
@Lalaland you had the same idea I did
I have a similar thing in node+phantom.js running
@Ell if you still need to stay tomorrow email me. [email protected]
13:30
@thecoshman Isn't this also a way to provide safer code when you know you cannot deal with negative numbers ?
Hope you're not taking about unsigned.
13:43
@coincoin except when you do give it a negative
if you want to only handle positive values, check that the value is positive
@R.MartinhoFernandes what happened to me@?
@coincoin lol no
user406009
So @rlemon, should we release our respective plugins?
I'm doing some extensive testing / collecting first
wanna record events for at least a week before I make it public. Then people can see shit right away
13:59
Plugin for what

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