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20:02
Good news. I'm finally learning what monads are and I'm not stopping until I understand them this time.
the looming threat of monads is upon us again
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
grilled corn is perhaps the oddest evening snack I've felt compelled to have
Ell
Ell
"what is a monad" is not a difficult question to answer
@elyse I don't think there are.enough use cases for implicit parameters
@Ell but to understand them
Ell
Ell
They seem hacky to me
20:07
I honestly wouldn't have been able to answer "What is a monad?" before.
user1804599
Implicits are great.
@Ell You need threading almost all the time
user1804599
also not sure about named arguments
user1804599
if(c, t, f) vs if(c, then: t, else: f).
Both crappy
user1804599
20:08
I like both.
There’s very little stuff that needs a Monad constraint (post AMP).
Only thing that comes to mind is some monad transformers, but you can go far before that without really knowing about Monad. It’s not necessary knowledge. You can start by knowing about IO, Maybe, [] and so on.
user1804599
Problem is that parameter names need to be included in the subroutine type.
Applicative comes up in e.g. Traversable and optics/lenses, but that’s also a ways off. replicateA is nice though.
user1804599
Meh, that sucks. Let's not do it.
@Borgleader Yes. :-)
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20:14
wtf windows sucks
user1804599
if I double click a word, it selects that word, and also the space that follows it
user1804599
I better install VMware Workstation and Gentoo ASAP
user1804599
There exist people with 2 dicks
user1804599
That do AMAs on Reddit.
20:18
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Koalas.
user1804599
> Georgia-based masseuse Kristy Love, 34, earns as much as $1800 a day by massaging clients with her size 48NN breasts.
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> Yang Guanghe pulls a vehicle with his eye sockets in Anshun, Guizhou Province of China on April 28, 2012. Yang Guanghe dragged a 1.6 ton vehicle successfully.
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> Man With 100-Pound Scrotum Can't Afford $1M Surgery
20:26
wtf
user1804599
Should've gotten a health insurance.
> a health insurance
user1804599
This is legit:
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@icondreams, florida
Geek chic agile coach and yogi. May the force be with you :)
822 tweets, 197 followers, following 390 users
And what the fuck is this? (NSFW)
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20:28
> Akshat Saxena had 34 fingers and toes at birth in India in 2010.
user1804599
Why do these things always happen in India
> In fact Twitter (temporarily) suspended his account for replying to his followers too many times!
wat
user1804599
> inb4 filth
is twitter this broken
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I wasn't quite expecting a large cock on my screen
20:31
I wasn't quite expecting a large cock on my Twitter
I was playing street fighter when I should have been doing work
but street fighter reminded me to stop wasting time :[
user1804599
@TonyTheLion ???
@elyse s/a//
you don't say "a health insurance", just "health insurance"
user1804599
If you have a proper health insurance, it should cover $1M 100-pound scrotum surgery.
user1804599
@TonyTheLion oh ok
20:34
@elyse I thought health insurance was public in Dutcheria?
I'm not sure I wanna know what 100-pound scrotum surgery is.
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel The companies are private, but you're required to get one, and if you can't afford one then the govt will pay it for you.
Wow. That's stupid.
user1804599
As a result, the govt also decides a shitload of stuff such as pricing and whatnot.
user1804599
As well as what has to be covered.
20:39
It's a weird hybrid system.
user1804599
Full privatisation would be nice, except the broke would be doomed.
user1804599
I dunno. I'm fine with the way it is now, except for a few minor things.
@elyse Welcome to government healthcare?
Yeah private healthcare works so well
Full privatisation is more expensive per capita.
It's also more expensive for society since it usually leads to less healthy people and that has deep repercussions everywhere.
user1804599
20:40
Elderly people get screwed over because there's the money that should go to their healthcare goes to nonsense instead.
Nonsense like what?
Yeah public healthcare works so well
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It works better than the alternative.
A singly buyer for healthcare services means you can lower prices. Also, less administrative overhead because you can centralize them.
Ell
Ell
20:43
This will be fun
user1804599
@Nooble Uncharity, "green" energy subsidies, the king, probably more.
user1804599
Mass immigration of hopeless people.
Incidentally, Canada's system costs less per person than the US' despite similar healthiness.
user406009
@elyse I think everyone is broke during at least one point of their lives.
user1804599
You are typically born broke.
Ell
Ell
20:44
we havent tried Full privatisation of healthcare since long ago
Back in founding father time
user1804599
I'd vote libertarian party if they made any chance to get a seat, but they don't, so it'll be freedom party until then.
Also, if healthcare is a product, does that mean you need to keep people unhealthy so that you can keep selling it to them?
Ell
Ell
I'm not sure about that one. I want to say no
And anyway, fully private healthcare will not happen unless we are ready to let people die because they can't afford it.
@EtiennedeMartel not all public health care does this though I belive.
Ell
Ell
20:47
You can still help people voluntarily with fully private healthcare
user406009
There are a couple of problems with private healthcare: 1. Unlike other goods, healthcare is a necessity. There is no upper limit on what someone will pay for their health. 2. People in need of healthcare rarely have the opportunity to shop around. If you brake a bone, you aren't likely going to be a position to do extensive research online. 3. Poor people will not be able to get healthcare. See reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/39xexb/…
@Ell So the government just gives free money to the private sector?
Ell
Ell
But really fully private most things won't happen for a long time
@EtiennedeMartel of course not, I mean charities
Hopefully never
user406009
@EtiennedeMartel The common libertarian counterargument is that charity will take the place of the government.
20:48
@Ell it would be very hard to afford that
@Lalaland But that never happens.
@Ell which get money from where?
lolbertarians
user406009
Because people will now have more to donate with no taxes.
No, they'll just stockpile it because people are encouraged to have more and more money.
20:49
face it, for the most part, humans are selfish gits who wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.
user406009
Also, increased efficiency will lead to lower amount of money required.
Ell
Ell
From selling things,working etc.
You see the healthcare will be run by people with their computers and they'll get buttcoins for it because that's the future
user406009
Truthfully, I am not a fan of charity, but that's the gist of the argument.
(tm)
> Insurance. Loans. Charity. Your life is no one's responsibility but your own. Some people may die prematurely, if society doesn't like it, private charity and business will fill the gap.
20:50
@Lalaland I remember reading somewhere that public healthcare systems are more efficient because they have less administrative overhead.
user406009
Libertarian ideals are nice. But I think they make too strong of an assumption that people aren't assholes.
user1804599
I'm all for brain-in-a-vat, testicle-in-a-vat and womb-in-a-vat.
Ell
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel certainly more than statelessness is required for anarchy
lolbertarians are funny
user1804599
For everyone.
20:50
And also wrong about almost everything
if you want good health care, you want the government to charge people taxes to fund it, and then put all the services out to tender for which ever private company is willing to do it for the cheapest whilst meeting the strict controls the government should set
Ell
Ell
@Lalaland imho this is incorrect. a libertarian society is designed to work around assholes
It's not designed for anything
@EtiennedeMartel well, generally public services don't have high level managers working out how to maximise their profits.
It would collapse in seconds because it's so trivial to exploit
user406009
20:52
@Ell No. Let's talk about a though experiment: The racist shop owner.
@Lalaland comunism is nice in theory too.
user406009
Libertarians might argue that people will boycott that shop.
Ell
Ell
I disagree vOv
user406009
But instead, lots of assholes will actually flock to shops like that.
I'll take communism over lolbertarianism every day
20:53
@Lalaland what
@Lalaland if the devil himself opened up a cheaper shop, everyone will go there, because he's cheaper
people want more for less
user406009
Of course the libertarian counterargument is that if you have so many racist people to support such a shop, then the racists will probably make racist laws as well.
user406009
And racist laws are worse, etc etc.
Ell
Ell
@Lalaland it depends. Anti discrimination laws can still exist
20:54
But evil governments
@Lalaland this is why pure democracy is laughable idea.
Ell
Ell
But yeah if you have a population of racists even in socialism the laws will be racist
@thecoshman Yeah, this would be a possibly good idea
user406009
@Ell Clearly we are talking about different ideology. When I talk of libertarian ideology, I am talking about the focus on private property and personal rights.
Ell
Ell
I am too
user406009
20:55
I believe private property rights fully allow a racist shop.
you really think jo public is going to choose to pay money towards things his stupid shortsighted fat arse doesn't see any personal gain in?
Everything private will still be within the law.
user406009
Anti-discrimination laws go against private property rights.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ it's more or less the only way it can work and work well. It's what the UK does for the most part.
Ell
Ell
Private property rights and libertarian ideals does not mean that anyone can do what they want
20:55
@Lalaland what
user406009
@Ell Correct. Libertarian ideology does not describe anarchy. Private property is king.
It's not like libertarians are anarchist
user406009
If you steal something, you will get what's coming to you.
Ell
Ell
@Lalaland in A libertarian society laws will be private goods
user1804599
I want bukkakeism.
20:56
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ librarians are anarchists though
user1804599
Where bukkake is free for everyone.
user406009
But you can also set up "No X People Allowed" signs on your shop as well.
Ell
Ell
market forces will provide anti discrimination laws if there is demand
user406009
@thecoshman Not quite. There is a subtle difference. Libertarians pretty much want the government to only be the justice system.
@Lalaland Not if it's against the law
20:57
@Lalaland most reasonable countries would see that as discriminatory and thus not legal
user406009
@Ell Like I said, that sorta depends on people not being assholes.
I like to write up political systems on paper and strongly believe in them
@Lalaland read closer
@Lalaland then they are fools.
user406009
@thecoshman I am talking about a theoretical libertarian society.
Ell
Ell
@Lalaland just as it does now? If people are assholes they can vote in asshole laws
20:58
Those who make the laws should not be the ones to enforce the laws
Ell
Ell
Or if politicians are assholes they can force asshole laws
user406009
@Ell That's why we have a constitution.
@Lalaland read what I said there again, really closely
Ell
Ell
And that's why we break the constitution
@Lalaland Yes, and the reason we have a constitution is because people were not assholes when deciding what goes into the constitution
20:59
It's hard for a single person to push laws
What the fuck of an argument is that
user406009
@thecoshman Can you repeat yourself? What's your point? Are you arguing that discrimination would probably be outlawed in a libertarian society?
"If most people are assholes libertarianism doesn't work"
3 mins ago, by thecoshman
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ librarians are anarchists though

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