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It's almost like you both acknowledged you were talking to a wall at the same time.
@rightfold this is impossible
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Although that's probably most easily solved by adding one more level of indirection.
I pictured you two in separate rooms, talking to opposite sides of the same wall.
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@orlp no, it's not.
14:00
if the heap moves, everything moves
there is only one heap
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std::unordered_map<handleID, GCObject*> pinnedObjects; and make the smart pointer store a handleID.
You can't pin when your GC always has to compact :v
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Also make the functions to read and write fields take handleIDs.
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Indirection FTW.
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add some magic locks here and there et voila!
14:02
@R.MartinhoFernandes we should make those debates more reasonable :/
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
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@CatPlusPlus you can move objects to a heap which is never compacted upon pinning and move them back upon unpinning.
like, dunno, side A makes a claim and side B has to respond to it
that's how the "big" debates go, no?
@BartekBanachewicz me too, but where's the fun in that
I'll leave the fact that a lot (most?) of big debates end inconclusively w/o a comment
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14:04
V8 also has a compacting GC, btw.
@BartekBanachewicz are you surprised?
sometimes you need a figurative hammer I guess.
and sometimes you need a nuke
@Ell does it involve nipples?
@Griwes make up your (figurative) mind
@sehe I guess for a person to be really able to change his mind, he/she would need to approach the debate with an expectation of being possibly wrong. But if someone's not certain enough that he's right, he'll hardly enter the debate in the first place
@rightfold well...
@rightfold quality code
@BartekBanachewicz Why not?
14:09
@rightfold that's pretty horrific
@R.MartinhoFernandes because having an opinion is often a motivating factor to enter the debate? (I have no way to back that up)
That would depend on the person, by and large
unless you genuinely like debating
@BartekBanachewicz I do.
I do as well.
But I also have opinions so you can see how it's a problem.
14:10
I think I can argue POVs I don't agree with it relatively well.
@rightfold they could really use c++11s inline brace init thing to clean that up a bit
@sehe that'd be too simple
(Anecdote: when I play The Resistance I way too often find myself in the position of convincing someone I might be a spy after they are convinced I'm not a spy)
I wonder if it's feasible to play Avalon on Skype
@BartekBanachewicz You'd need a game master.
14:12
@R.MartinhoFernandes for the role randomization and voting? a simple web service should do that.
And sharing spy knowledge.
> You are a spy. Other spies are Robor and Kseo.
Point is that you're not just "playing it on Skype".
making such a system is a matter of 2 hours tops
With that service you could play it here.
(Not here, please)
14:14
lol
meh my point is chat would remove all of the fun of accidental word slips and the like
you'd need video and voice
I once convinced someone to not put me on the final team despite the fact that they trusted me at first. I was indeed a spy and we lost because of that.
I'm terrible at it.
I always play like a good guy and I don't let people trust me from misguided reasoning.
So it's messy as fuck. Sometimes I'm bad and people trust me but then I make them suspicious of me; other times I'm good and I convince them I'm bad.
I feel a sexual tension between Bartek and robot
@R.MartinhoFernandes you are amazing at Skulls and Roses though :D
14:22
I can't play mafia
Idk how to
I'm always too good, I know who is mafiosi and who is citizens
@thecoshman That's the game I'm best at.
which means I'll always get killed
but I guess that means I'm not good after all....
Mafia sucks. Too much elimination going on.
14:23
I'd love to see a group of pathological liars play mafia though
Do you know One Night Werewolf?
@R.MartinhoFernandes elimination is generally not a good mechanic
Sorta kinda similar deal, but without elimination.
nope
There's only one night and then you piece together information to find the wolves and you all vote on someone to kill.
14:25
so you basically play N-rounds of 1-night werewolf?
Yes.
We don't keep score, though.
what about strip mafia?
dunno how it would work
could be done with n x m where m is bigger than 1 though
We always finish our weekly game night with several rounds of 1-night werewolf between the survivors of several hours of gaming.
@BartekBanachewicz One Night Werewolf has different rules. It's not just a single night of the regular game.
Four of us play the game so often together that now we almost only do meta.
@R.MartinhoFernandes If the four of us are at the table... he's the warewolf :P
14:29
"I have no idea who is who, so I'll just kill Heiko".
> Daemon for remote finger access
¬_¬ come on now Linux Foundation
you can't be that blatant about it
hmm those new NAS boxes look pretty cool
2GB of RAM, quad-core CPUs
What are four cores for o_O
Guess it's just a case of being cheaper than actually buying weaker CPUs.
@R.MartinhoFernandes simulating four single core computers vOv
@R.MartinhoFernandes nah
@R.MartinhoFernandes media streaming
also those things run web servers and the like these days
14:40
@BartekBanachewicz Not convinced you need that.
The cores, I mean.
zipping on demand for backups?
Still bandwith-bound, no?
I guess if you use max 7z it might be CPU-bound, but the gains are dubious there.
well and they sell them as "future-proof"
@BartekBanachewicz I'd personally be happier with a lot more RAM because cache.
But then, there's the network on the other end, so maybe 2GB is enough to saturate it.
14:48
@R.MartinhoFernandes more conveyor belts
@R.MartinhoFernandes shouldn't be too hard to work out how long sustained write will take to saturate that... "(network speed - disk write speed) / capacity" no?
sure some numbers be fudged vOv but more or less
@thecoshman Wouldn't read to be the more common operation?
write few-read many style
@R.MartinhoFernandes it would yeah, but that's just "min( disk read speed, network speed)"
ah, I don't know. There's a lot of things that can be tweaked
Guess that as long as the disk is faster it's fine.
RAM cache only gets you lower latency.
@R.MartinhoFernandes only if things happened to be cached...
RAM cache is normally to help with ~streaming~ or high burst of write.
14:51
@thecoshman It has no drawback if they don't so...
@thecoshman But that's basically the reason you want it large. Maximise those probabilities.
@R.MartinhoFernandes well sure, more ram never hurts
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 stars
@R.MartinhoFernandes by that logic, you want to reduce the storage so cache hits are more likely :P
@thecoshman Of course you'd prefer it small...
(Since we're starbaiting anyway)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like it tight
I can play the starbait game as well;
Penis
I wouldn't happen to know how to handle a large one
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14:53
get it
penis
he he
inb4 flags
someone who is good at doing effort and things, work out who it is who keeps staring this shit.
@thecoshman not possible anymore
used to be, but they fixed the glitch
@rightfold I assume the GCRootObject smart pointer should have semantics like std::unique_ptr - it owns the object?
@FlorianMargaine huh?
hmm
I misread "staring" as "flagging"
14:56
I just mean work out who is the room when ever this sort of shit gets stared, and apply some statistics to it.
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@orlp no, the GC owns the object.
I can ease your job
I starred it
@thecoshman the flags user id used to be in the websocket frames
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When created, it tells the GC to make the object a root.
@FlorianMargaine oh...
I see...
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14:56
When destroyed, it tells the GC to make the object not a root.
@AlexM. stop it
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Where, for obvious reasons, "make root" actually means "increment refcount".
@thecoshman I think it's still there for the stars.
is it too hard to resist this sort of shit?
@FlorianMargaine
14:57
@thecoshman star something pls
@rightfold what would it mean to copy a GCRootObject?
I think I'll order some sushi tonight since I didn't do it in the weekend
and I have yet to try it
@FlorianMargaine ¬_¬ no
you now have two root references to that object I guess?
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@orlp Creating a new one that points to the same object.
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14:58
@orlp yes
@AlexM. I wouldn't start by ordering some.
@thecoshman come on.
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hence you need refcounting for root management
@FlorianMargaine fine ¬_¬
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the GC must also keep track of all smart pointers, if you want the smart pointers to point to the objects directly
14:59
you don't get to keep that though!
I'll take it back
@thecoshman what's wrong with ordering
god I hate keyboards that are not my keyboard
@rightfold that is the main issue I'm trying to solve with GCRootObject

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