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21:00
What compiler for what?
Anyway
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sushi
did anyone here eat sushi is it good
should I order some when I order my ramen tomorrow
I did and it's awesome
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add starbucks coffee for ultimate hipster
btarsucks
21:02
sushi = best food
There's a place here in Italy where you pay 20 euros and you can eat as much sushi (and other japanise and chinese specialities) as you want.
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/b/tard sucks
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@Jefffrey is it coincidentally also shit?
I always come out full. Can't even think of eating anything else.
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anyway: you likely pay way too much
21:03
@EtiennedeMartel Well, I was thinking something which is not totally dissimilar, except for the part where it's set once at installation time and cannot be modified thereafter (by and large). So if you install the compiler, it's set and then done.
do you never modify your PATH or something
PATH is like
"Hey dudes, I wanna find a file but I forgot which one it is!"
what
guess I'll just require that it's in PATH even though I know exactly what program I'm looking for and therefore it could just have it's own entry for me to use
This is the place
It has pictures and shit
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bleh raw fish
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Puppy doesn't use unices so he will barely use path probably
I see no purpose in spludging every executable in the system into one variable when people could just use distinct variables for distinct programs.
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Portage makes no sense to me man
Blocked packages n shit
@Rapptz Many programs register their own path in the registry, then all their sub-components can instantly find it without searching the whole PATH.
@Ell lol? Lots of Windows programs add themselves to the path. I had a problem at my previous job because my PATH variable got too long, so I had to start rearranging stuff on my harddrive :/
21:07
To be honest PATH could probably be avoided by having a convention of using a single (or more) predefined folders where to load libraries/headers/whatever from and maybe allow hard links to other folders
No?
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Forget about Windows and install Gentoo.
@Jefffrey or just use a program-specific variable. Like.. in the registry.
@Jefffrey Well, that assumes that you have a need to find a program but don't know what the program is and also you can't just ask where it is.
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you do
How would you ask where it is?
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21:08
@TBohne it was based on the assumption that the typical windows user doesn't use the command line/terminal
user1804599
you don't know where it is
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Which I think is the case for puppy
er, try "a parameter".
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programs can be installed in many places
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And visual studio is configured with full paths generally
21:08
@rightfold And they can set their own path in a distinct place, removing the need for PATH to spludge them together.
They should probably be installed in a single place
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And other similar tools
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For example, root-only programs typically go in /sbin and /usr/sbin. User-specific programs can go in home directories.
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@Jefffrey nah
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But it's very convenient if you don't have to specify the entire path to the program every time.
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21:09
Separation of concerns
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And often you don't even know where it is.
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And perms
@Ell What concerns?
user1804599
But you're bad at computers anyway so I'll be better off plonking you until this conversation is over.
@rightfold Can still be achieved with a program-specific immutable variable.
21:09
Then use a specific flag for each program maybe
And default to something
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@Jefffrey essential binaries and other stuff
@Ell This is the exact opposite of separation of concerns.
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Or machine local stuff and server stuff
"I need to manage permissions; therefore I will use completely random orthogonal shit like filesystem location instead"
How are they not global again?
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21:11
Its not just about permissions
Also its not random and orthogonal
how are what not global?
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The filesystem is used for permissions
right, which is completely random and orthogonal.
What are we talking about puppy?
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How else would you set permissions?
21:11
there's no logical reason why any given file cannot have any given permission set.
@Ell ... by setting them? like with chmod or a syscall?
With telkitty?
user1804599
Use chmod and chown for setting permissions.
@Puppy Hardcoding paths breaks so many things it's not even funny
who said anything about hardcoding them?
@AlexM. Yes, yes
21:15
@CatPlusPlus global program-specific variable, vaguely like registry, not hardcoded.
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@Puppy yes you set the permission of the file? In the filesystem?
I'm confused
@Puppy You did, that's what happens when you remove PATH
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I thought you said the filesystem and permissions were orthogonal
@Ell Associating a permission with a file, and "You must put shit in this folder if you want this permission set" is a different thing.
Search paths being modifiable is an actual feature
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21:16
I didn't say the latter
But nvm
@Jefffrey No
@Ell Admittedly, that is the example rightfold used and not you.
Complaining that things are ~~global~~ is really that nerd kind of complaint rooted in some dumb pseudoperfectionism that doesn't really make anything perfect
Haskell is perfect
I can't pinpoint why environment being global (shocking) is bad but it's global therefore it is
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21:18
I think I'm gonna start again with my gfuentoo install
Don't you touch my Haskell you perv
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Oh right, it's Friday again: aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/…
Environment is a Reader monad~
@CatPlusPlus Well I'm more focused on mutability as an issue rather than being globa.
As what issue
What is the issue
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21:18
@Jefffrey Monomorphism restriction.
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@Jefffrey Record field namespacing.
as an issue that severely annoys me when programs don't work because the environment wasn't mutated to their needs
(Also you can only change your own environment, or your children's environment and that is again a feature)
what
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@Jefffrey Overly broad imports by default.
shut up
user1804599
21:19
We can conclude that Haskell is not perfect.
can't hear you
LALALALALLALALALA
the only reason to mutate your own environment or your children's environment is if you're actually installing or removing shit.
You do realise that it'd be exactly the same if you had arguments or whatever the fuck you think would be ~~~immutable~~~ and better and passed the wrong value by hand
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Just wait for Mill. ( Í¡° ͜ʖ Í¡°)
No, it's not
@TBohne That's not equivalent to PATH
Also it's problematic because it's not overrideable on spot which is again a useful feature
Also I tried sake and it's quite good
21:22
I've yet to witness any use of it
std::terminate at line 3409 seems valid, but not at line 3405
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SSCCE or GTFO.
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5291 lines is too long for an SSCCE.
@StackedCrooked Well, I see an explicit call to std::terminate there, so it initially appears valid.
21:23
This is the source code for boost::async(boost::launch::deferrred, ...);
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SSCCE or GTFO.
> deferrred
@Puppy Basically boost::async with launch::deferrred always crashes.
@CatPlusPlus we don't want an equivalent. We want something better.
defffrey
21:24
@TBohne Like what
Am I really the only person in the world using deferred launch policy?
@StackedCrooked That would seem to be the outcome, yes.
@CatPlusPlus wait, what do you mean "not overridable on the spot"?
@StackedCrooked No
Environment is the best solution to inheritable overridable environment (shocking)
21:25
yes, but I don't want an inheritable or overridable environment.
@CatPlusPlus why would you want to override the binary path?
that is the crux of the matter
Why do I even bother
Because you are really having fun
@TBohne Because idk you want to replace the binary without moving shit around or specifically writing every program that might launch it to be able to take a different path
21:26
@StackedCrooked What version of boost is this?
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Boost 0.1.
There's a reason why every fucking OS for the past 30 years had a concept environment
@CatPlusPlus oh noes, we might have to take arguments?!
21:27
That's weird.
Arguments are as global and mutable as environment hth
Literally the only difference is that inheritance is manual
Seems like a copy-paste/merge error.
Back in Boost 1.56 it had this warning label.
But in 1.57 it was gone from the docs.
So I presume it was fixed in 1.57 and up.
21:29
@Jefffrey Not really
Yeah, tell yourself that
@StackedCrooked I think your boost might be outdated? On the actual repository it seems fixed and the file was changed 3 months ago
Oh wait.
That's under an #ifndef.
Weird. I didn't notice that.
What a wonderful macro
Things would be just perfect if got rid of those pesky GLOBALS and replaced them with something that makes a lot things harder for no reason but at least it won't be GLOBAL except it'll still be trust me I'm an expert in the subject matter that's why I've literally never considered any use cases
@Rapptz They forgot to remove the terminate from on of the ifdef's branches?
21:33
it looks like it
I could just modify the header then.
I think they tried (?) on non-variadics before judging by the comments even more south on the page
seems fucky to me
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Drivers seat
I'm bad at Skylines
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Yeahh
Me too
21:44
Trains are cool though i.imgur.com/XeNoaID.gif
Welp, Ellen Pao resigned
she did?
25 minutes ago, I guess.
Was she the feminist
The one that shut down few subreddits
@Jeremy That's a little OTT I think
21:46
They made themselves private
@Jefffrey What
Because she was a douche, IIRC
@Puppy I think so, too. But, it probably made it incredibly hard for her and reddit to get anything done.
Ellen Pao crucified for Reddit's sins
@Puppy she changed from CEO to advisor.
that would be one hell of a crucifixion
Reddit in general is far worse than just being a bit of a douche
21:49
seems like a political move
to shut reddit up
lol apparently reddit is still unprofitable
"What's your business model"
"We give away free candy"
"How is that profitable?"
"It isn't, we're building a user base first"
"We'll give you $X for your operation... we see lots of revenue potential"
"Okay"
"We are now charging to give away free candy, in order to more efficiently give you candy"
"YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO UUUUSSSSSSSS"
lol
@StackedCrooked AFAIK, in big companies they keep the former CEO as advisor to ease the transition. It happened in CA Technologies in last two CEO changes as well, AFAIK.
@StackedCrooked Advisor through the end of 2015. Reddit probably felt bad leaving her out to dry without a next step - the next 6 months will give her time to transition.
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22:08
I need to read more
here's some text you can read
Get yerself a book
@StackedCrooked damn, that's long
2
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@StackedCrooked any reason for not using std stuff?
22:21
outdated compilers
a.k.a. Visual Studio
Originally gcc 4.5. Currently 4.7.
ah
so not VS.
Should glad be initialized on a per context basis?
no, but vlad should
:P :P
22:24
:b :b
@milleniumbug Which contexts
openvl
@AlexM. openvlad would be a great library name.
Open-sourced vlad
Pity it's not a good quality recording.
22:31
@Nooble You're using this, right?
Talks are nice sometimes, but a shame many don't have a transcript
@nabijaczleweli Yes. I use that for context creation.
I read way faster than I listen.
@Nooble Seems to me, that since glad just makes shit, make one global one
But I have no fucking idea if that's the correct approach
Make one global what?
22:34
glad instance
alright
let's run this shit
hmm
tests passed: 0, failed: 258.
@nabijaczleweli You can't.
glad needs an OpenGL context to initialize.
@Nooble Why did you ask, then?
Well, by "can't" I mean "I don't really know how it would work".
needs context -> is bound to context -> is per-context
22:38
I don't know if it's bound or just needs one to start.
It might be though.
Like if I were to create a context, initialize glad, and then delete that context, would it terminate glad?
YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
SEGFAULTFEST!
Everything with OpenGL is a segfaultfest.
Don't use OGL directly, then
v0v
Post your code on mumble, we'll work sth out
@nabijaczleweli There's no fun in that :P
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23:08
@StackedCrooked fuck callbacks
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green threads or GTFO
is that erlang?
yes rfold is erlang
23:26
alright
210 pass, 48 fail.
that's a substantial improvement.
@Puppy ?
@Borgleader Wide's tests for Clang 3.6
Apple USB Ethernet Adapter
costs 10x+ more than others
wait nvm I calculated wrong
23:29
it's just 6x+ more
boy, the tests run so much faster on my shiny new i7
236 succeed, 22 fail
is this guy playing agar.io?
pretty sure that's Crysis 3
matlab's support for raspberry pi includes even a wizard to get you through the OS autodownload and installation
@Borgleader Agar on the laptop, there's the LoL AIR client on the phone.
23:44
So.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd buy a shirt if you have any XLs left :D
dual video cards... plays LoL jackinechan.png
@Puppy I just refactored my parser so i can test it better
I suck at testing :(
@Borgleader s/a.+g //
@Borgleader when you weren't looking he was playing Crysis 3
Cinnamon Roll Pancakes http://t.co/WVB8hOHcyM
i want this
dont judge me

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