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14:03
> AOC U2870VQE 28-inch 4k monitor launched at $349
oh hey /cc @thecoshman
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Maybe I can parse type descriptors with a single regex.
@thecoshman You can always just buy one with a wheel.
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@BartekBanachewicz oh sheeit yet plwse
Is it 60Hz and IPS panel?
Probs not
@Ell it's sRGB with 10-bit processing
@caps What?
14:06
@Jefffrey It's supposed to be "fined" not "fine"
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@BartekBanachewicz my interest is in viewing angles tbh
Ell likes to look at the screen sideways.
@BartekBanachewicz Woah.
@Ell every modern screen has good viewing angles, even with TN display
well, except absolute shitty ones, but I don't post absolute shitty ones
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14:07
JavaScript regexes don't support recursion.
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piece of shit
@caps Oh, I see
and yes, that one is a TN.
The military are training above us
fighter jets bombers helicopters and stuff
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TN panels have awful viewing angles
14:08
Not all of them.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I like to look at the screen from below if I am on a bed
@Ell keep spreading FUD mate
@Ell How does that even work.
@Ell why don't you just rotate it to face down
Honestly, it's going to suck regardless of screen. The angles where it matters are just not pleasant to watch things, period.
14:10
my GFs laptop has an IPS panel and viewed from below is meh
what robot said.
The problem is the angles, not the screen.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes well, the screen is on the desk but the bed is lower than chair level
so if I am lying down on my bed to watch a film I would like the screen contents to look the same
I know the angle will decrease the quality of the experience
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Ell why don't you just rotate it to face down
@Borgleader lol
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but IME with a TN panel it is degraded significantly by the shift in colours or w/e it is that happens
@BartekBanachewicz because more often than not there are multiple people watching from various viewpoints
and you can't tilt in every direction
14:13
@Ell It probably will, except suck because of the weird angle. Or you won't see anything because 80 degrees is just not enjoyable. It will have weird colours at 80 degrees, but it will also not matter because it will have weird shapes.
@Jefffrey Mabel, a wife and mother, is loved by her husband Nick but her madness proves to be a problem in the marriage. The film transpires to a positive role of madness in the family, challenging conventional representations of madness in cinema.
WTF?
@Ell computer screens aren't really meant for that vOv
why don't you buy a separate TV or a projector
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I'm just saying IME watching a film has been impossible with a TN panel and enjoyable with an IPS panel (though less good than regular desk height)
could prolly be cheaper in the long run
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@BartekBanachewicz because money and pragmatism
14:14
pragmatism in this case is shitty experience regardless
if you say it's too high then the screen doesn't matter that much because of looking upwards
looking upwards is tiring
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It's not shitty for me
@wilx wut
it's not subjective
@Ell All my six screens are TNs, and the ones on the top corners always looked just fine vOv.
this is how our eyes work
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14:15
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess my experience is with old TNs maybe?
And note that when I say this I mean they look just fine compared to the center one, which is right there in the middle displaying a similar thing.
It's something I can compare directly.
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@BartekBanachewicz I really don't think so
@BartekBanachewicz ergh... still more than I'd be happy to spend... and I'd rather get a pair, than one really really good screen.
I don't mean "I once tried it and it seemed off".
that's a good price though for sure
14:16
It's not a problem, except maybe the lack of documentation. Upgrading won't change it. That suggestion was not part of my answer for this reason — sehe 4 mins ago
@Ell the price difference between an IPS 28" 4K and a TN one will certainly cover a used projector or a 32-40" TV price
comprehension.
reading.
do they even.
I only notice colour differences past 60-70 degrees.
@thecoshman stop being a cheap ass. Screens do cost.
@Prismatic Man, I wonder how stable is the orbit of the third sun orbiting the other two (or one of the two)?
14:17
That's watching things sideways, and fuck that.
@rightfold which regexen outside Perl's do?
But hey, it's your money and if you want to invest in sideways watching, go ahead.
@BartekBanachewicz excuse me for not being stupidly rich vOv
you gotta take compromises if you want to spend less vOv
yeah, and I choose physically smaller and not 4k vOv
14:19
sure.
besides, 28" really is too big for my set up
... three screens is too, but we'll gloss over the detail :P
reminds me I need to shop for a projector finally
ew finally
and start working on the cabling
@Ell Last I checked, IPSes are more expensive than TNs... Pragmatism and money concerns would dictate that you get a pillow.
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14:20
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahhaha
I love that response.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I think a TN + projector/tv would be less pragmatic than an IPS
I would buy a screen or two... if I had a way to setup them somewhere :D
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it's not just money either
I don't want a TV taking up space when I will not use it nearly as often as I'd use a monitor
@Ell note how it makes less compromises
@Ell hence a projector
And... I only really have a table, which is useful to eat on (...) and a smaller table that is somewhat on the level of my bed. Which is probably too low for that.
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14:21
@BartekBanachewicz where can I get a 4k projector for the price difference of tn/ips?
you were an advocate of 17" laptops werent you guriwesu
@Ell you can't get a 4K projector, but I doubt you need one vOv
I still am. :P
4K projectors make sense at 150"+ screens and good overall setup
I just recognize that having a "docking station" might get useful.
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plus what is the minimum viewing distance for a projector?
14:22
from what I've heard you're trying to save money, not build a proper watching setup
@Ell however small you want?
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I just think for my use case an IPS panel makes sense vOv
there's no such thing as a "minimum viewing distance"
@Ell yeah if you only evaluate one solution then undoubtfully you'll pick one.
The low table could even work, with a place for my laptop below the desk proper, but then... I'd need something to sit on.
Yes. IPSes make perfect sense when your use case is looking at it sideways.
Since the bed would suck for that use case.
14:23
I'll answer this question right after I'm done answering "How can I make a program to hack the NSA" and "How can I implement world domination in Ruby" — sehe just now
@R.MartinhoFernandes well he kinda said it's meant for multiple users
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@BartekBanachewicz I'm evaluating other solutions now
why are you even comparing IPS panels to projectors o_0
Hmm.
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I have evaluated tn + tv and rejected it
14:24
@thecoshman because he's using IPS angles as an argument for using them for mass viewing
but projectors really do shine at mass viewing
Is 27" / 1080p an acceptable pixel density?
bigger size, perfect angles, great athmosphere
@Griwes not really.
I can never tell.
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I would agree with projectors
@BartekBanachewicz 1440p?
14:25
we've had a lot of movie parties and watching movies on projector always wins
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@Griwes yes
@Griwes that's fine.
That's €500 fine
@Ell I've bought my projector for €200 (used), 720p, used it for a 240" screen. Looked OK. For 120" you could watch in daylight pretty much with sharper image.
240" was 5.4 metres throw distance
120" would be 2-3 then
but you can get different lenses so that you can throw 100"+ from a meter if you so wish
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parser generators ftw: gist.github.com/rightfold/…
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14:27
@sehe PCRE
Also there's the sucking point where I only have HDMI+VGA outputs. :V
amazing technology
@Griwes can't hear you over my 12.5" laptop having two 24" screens hooked to it via a dock :)
@BartekBanachewicz Only I can pick my laptop up and it keeps being useful.
mine keeps that as well
(Like "gaming-useful".)
14:29
it has a better keyboard than most of those shitty 17" anyway
@Griwes LAN partied with mine? [check]
@BartekBanachewicz that's a hilariously silly opinion right there
lol small laptop keyboards
nah, not really. It's a remark aimed at the fact that bigger laptops don't necessarily have better keyboards
I think mine is slightly better than even what MacBook has
@BartekBanachewicz No, that's a remark aimed at "I'm superior".
Who said "I". I said "my laptop keyboard".
Also I guess you can s/superior/preferred/
14:31
"My penis"
Well my friend who beat us all at typespeed used a 11" thinkpad as well so
Good for his penis.
I like how you put a penis into this conversation.
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@BartekBanachewicz what laptop do you have?
Thinkpad Yoga
14:33
lol
The only thing I'd like in my keyboard would be getting rid of Caps Lock and replacing it with Home/End
like the X1 does
I can't believe I've been using Virtualbox for so long.
OTOH X1 doesn't have physical F keys so
Hmm. I need to print my new private keys.
I mean, KVM/Qemu/virt-manager is really solid.
And it's like, Oracle-free
14:34
std::optional looks nice.
You can replace Caps Lock with software.
you can't replace it with two physical keys
@rubenvb Is it userfriendly? I use VBox because of host integration, automatic resizing, snapshoting UI etc.
@Nooble doesn't support references
14:35
Oh, I see what you mean.
@Griwes Oh FFS.
@BartekBanachewicz FTR I can type quite well on my T100's keyboard.
I wish I could just use vim style shortcuts everywhere.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes do you keep them in a safe?
@BartekBanachewicz what was the winning typing rate?
14:36
@Ell wallet.
@SamDeHaan 60+ IIRC
@R.MartinhoFernandes aren't you good at losing that?
but we played on C# keywords + operators
Oh, interesting.
Old one was stolen so I changed them all and still haven't printed replacements.
14:37
it was about 550 points
@Griwes You can use std::reference_wrapper, no?
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@Griwes why not? :(
Need to remember what was that software that supported ginormous QR codes.
@Ell "design decision"
I don't write C#, so I doubt I would do well in that competition.
14:38
@Griwes why don't we host Lounge typespeed competition
aka "we don't understand the desired semantics boost::optional has for a while, so we'll just ignore them"
@BartekBanachewicz I'd suck at that. :P
60wpm? That's...
@sehe Well, virt-manager is kind of a complicated Virtualbox, leaning more in the direction of VMWare Player, but it has all and even more buttons.
@Griwes I thought you can type quite well
14:38
Automatic guest resizeing should be a thing (using Splice/QXL)
@R.MartinhoFernandes 60 C# keywords per minute
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
but we played on C# keywords + operators
But still figuring that out.
I think I max out right now around 110 WPM.
I don't remember the WPM, I remember the score was well over 500
14:39
Meh. I can do alot more than that with R#.
I had 524 I think
over 500 is really hard anyway
Prolly with some tuned vim as well.
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Griwes why don't we host Lounge typespeed competition
Love them tools.
@BartekBanachewicz I think that too, still doesn't change the fact I suck at it. :P
14:40
:abbr ro readonly and such.
no abbreviations
Or even just omni completion.
C# is just a set.
Why limit it so much then?
Just grab any random corpus and get typing.
Oh, and KVM allows nested VTx which is necessary to run VS2015 emulators in a Windows VM.
14:41
"grab any random corpus" doesn't quite roll off the tongue.
Typespeed v0.6.5

You achieved:

Rank:               Good
Score:              450
WPM:                49
CPS:                4.163
Typo ratio:         7.4%
Typorank:           Handicap
quick test
@R.MartinhoFernandes it has fun stuff like --x or <<= or #define
@BartekBanachewicz That's a bit slow.
Still above average though.
@Nooble why don't you download it and try for yourself
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> download
Why can't people fucking read for fuck's sake god
14:44
@BartekBanachewicz Okay.
it has a certain game-ish factor so it isn't exactly reliable as speed-measurement thing I guess
but it's fun that way
@buttifulbuttefly everyone is blind
My fingers are training for speedcubing now so I'll skip on the speed typing.
@Puppy I saw you.
You left so quickly.
Anyway I must go somewhere now, so I'm gonna be afk on Mumble.
Need to acquire a better 4x4x4.
Or maybe just lube it.
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14:48
starbait
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what should I cook?
I'll lube it and see if it can handle my fingers then.
@BartekBanachewicz I think I'll try to set myself up with two 24" 1080p :P I'll probably be cursing at that setup for a while later on before I'll get everything in a way that is actually convenient to use... physically :D (Is 24" optimal for 1080p? :D)
beef with garlic butter on baguettes
@butt how about that?
14:49
@Griwes I have 2x24"@1920x1200
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I have no beef
What has this room come to
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I have garlic
and basil
it's... fine I guess, but it's not optimal for gaming.
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I will make some kind of tomato thing vOv
14:49
I upgraded to WP10 and now I can't send text messages
I'd like to convert to two vertical 24" and one center 32" 4K
Hmm. Lube is in storage still.
might look a tad weird, but I believe it would be really usable
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besides, vertical screens take much less space
14:50
~~nice~~
@BartekBanachewicz ATM I'm more concerned about actually doing something productive than gaming. Though both are important-ish - just gaming is less focused.
Hmm. I wonder how absurd would two vertical 24" look like. :D
@Griwes then buy a bunch of refurbished 4:3 or 5:4
can't get more screen for a buck
you can get them for like 100-120 PLN apiece with 1280x1024
@rightfold I did it months ago and got no stars? Thief!
@buttifulbuttefly You'd think kebab prices would rise instead
@BartekBanachewicz Blergh, that's a sucky resolution.
14:52
@Griwes why?
it's perfectly fine for doing coding and browsing the web
nay, too low.
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^
I said buy a bunch of them
like 6x19"
Then I'd need magic to connect them all at once to my current hardware. :P
that gives you 7680x2048
@Griwes buy a cheap GPU that can handle 6 screens or two GPUs for 3 each
around 80 PLN for a GPU
whole setup cost under 800 PLN + mounts
14:54
@BartekBanachewicz ...then I'd need to buy an actual PC. :p
@BartekBanachewicz 5760x2160 :D
@BartekBanachewicz Many GPUs can theoretically handle 6 screens. Connecting them is a bit more annoying.
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my graphics card only supports 2 screens :3
what am I supposed to say now
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idk but this froyo is so good I'm not even kidding
I am so glad I made it
14:56
that laptops suck as workstations? That's been obvious for a long long time.
@Ell You mean it's in the specs or you mean it has two outputs?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes in the specs
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I was trying for months to get 3 working
@BartekBanachewicz :D
14:56
@Griwes buy 6 USB video adapters and an USB hub
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I thought it was a problem with my xorg.conf for so long
then I read the specs by chance and found out :(
My biggest problem was the card not having enough power to drive the sixth screen :/
Most. Annoying. Thing. Ever.
Thing has 6 DPs, but can only handle 5.
sucky
it was AMD wasn't it
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you try shorter cables?
14:58
@rubenvb Couldn't get much shorter.
are you sure your PSU supplied enough to the GPU?
Or switching around monitors and such?
@BartekBanachewicz Can't say for sure, but I bought it with power to spare.
Don't actually know how much it is anymore.
It's in an email somewhere.
@BartekBanachewicz I wonder how would a cheap "gaming" rig look like these days. I tried toying with pcpartpicker, but I always end up selecting "the best", which usually means failing hard at that thing :F

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