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00:00
@EtiennedeMartel it's 2am here. And Tomalak does cook around midnight sometimes
@EtiennedeMartel Maybe I should channel my inner Etienne and find some Poutine...
@JerryCoffin Are there cheese curds in Colorado?
Or is that too far west?
@EtiennedeMartel I'm sure there must be some (but I'm currently in San Diego, California, as I have been for a while now).
Apr 4 at 15:23, by Alex M.
bean soup w/ ham hock, QF pasta and a prosciutto sandwich for later today
proof!
@JerryCoffin Really now. How is it there?
Much warmer, I'm assuming.
00:01
@EtiennedeMartel Quite nice (loving the weather), but houses are damnably expensive.
That's California, I guess.
Its a blondie blast. They were awesome in high school.
@EtiennedeMartel Yes and no--it's certainly much warmer during the winter, but I'm close enough to the ocean that it rarely gets very hot (hottest part of the afternoon is often around 20-22C).
@DonLarynx I knew a blonde in high school who I thought was really awesome.
20-22C is perfect
00:06
@StackedCrooked Yeah--I've really been enjoying it (and just this afternoon I found a house I think we're going to be moving into for at least a year).
> UNBELIEVABLE
Reach 2000MHz or higher GPU clock
lol
> First off, this is a GPU overclocking software. It is not a game, and shouldn't be treated as such. I've already read reports of users ruining their graphics cards due to chasing achievements associated with this software (a rather silly feature).
haha
00:08
@JerryCoffin thats great!
@AlexM. ikr
@DonLarynx I was pretty excited.
A good oldfashioned Boost Spirit grammar deflation: stackoverflow.com/a/30362395/85371
Time for bed. I had a busy night. This was my "night cap"
define: slaapmutsje
Night all
@EtiennedeMartel give that bear another head
and it'll be the NPR
@sehe Very nice! Good night.
It's like they didn't even try when designing the NCR flag.
it must've been for the nostalgia feeling
tandi always looked like a traditionalist to me
00:15
Also, fun fact: you know how Caesar's Legion uses a bull at its emblem? It's not just a reference to the standard used by one of Julius Caesar's legions when conquering Gaul.
Back in Spanish California, the people organized fights between bears and bulls.
@chmod711telkitty night @sehe
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I want some poutine
I don't think I can get cheese curds here in the UK
There's also the whole idea of "bear market" vs "bull market", of which the NCR and the Legion are examples: at the start of New Vegas, the NCR is losing ground and power, while the Legion is expanding.
we won't be talking about your sleeping etiquette
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I think chips and gravy from the chippy is the next best thing
00:16
@Ell Mozzarella is an acceptable substitute.
It's meant to be experienced
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I have halloumi in
And grana padano
And cheddar
But no mozzarella
I like all these sidequests
they're actually enjoyable.
bacon avocado sandwich again with celery & bean sprouts on the side to count balance the unhealthiness ...
00:22
:/ ... thought it was made of butter cream with sponge cake on the inside & I was getting all hungry
my first thought was to destroy it.
@Rapptz I liked the herbalist chick near the orchard
much nicer than triss
but then again, any woman in that game is much nicer than triss
tfw you can't sex her up
yes
but it's ok because yennefer is even nicer
I found a setting in the witcher ini that might help your texture streaming issues if you have any (I don't remember)
there's a TextureMemoryBudget variable under [Rendering] that sets the amount of vram usage to 800 MB on Ultra (and even lower on Low/Medium/High)
00:25
no issues whatsoever here
my only issue is that I did not upgrade to a 970 in time :A
serves me right for getting a low to mid range card
I bet that if I tried to play, say, DA:I I'd also have to lower the details a lot to get a stable 60 fps
@ThePhD For the most part, yes.
I'm playing on 82 fps atm
So I think I can spare something.
I might try HairWorks.
If you ignore NaN, infinity and zero, comparing two positive floats is the same as reinterpreting the bits as an integer and comparing them as unsigned integers.
Guys, Powercolor is teasing the R9-390X.
@AlexM. I say we change our naming of things. 970 is low-end. 980 is mid-range. "High end" is reserved for dual Titan Z's (or a Titan Z + a K80). :-)
00:30
Don't forget the Titan X, an absolute beast.
Titans are enthusiast hardware
Especially since you can Quad SLI it, which is nice.
@JerryCoffin Our CEO took us to dinner yesterday. The spending habits of the new world are in a completely different league.
*50 is low end, *60 is what I have, *70 is mid range and *80 is high end imo
Let's just say that a Titan X is basically chum change.
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00:31
What about titan black?
Old card.
Guys im retiring
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Or is that a workstation card?
it would be racist if it weren't also enthusiast hardware
00:32
@Ell It's still a gaming card I believe.
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I'm looking forward to zen CPUs
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@DonLarynx 75 dollars a day. shit. must be rich
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I hope they are competitive in single core performance
Yeah, I'd like to go full AMD.
I'm gonna have to find a way to increase my salary after I wrap up college
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00:33
I also hope godavari is good
APU systems are great value
But the gpu isn't quite good enough in the a10 imho
Its a console killer
But only just
@Mysticial Strange how the financial people always have money to spend... :-)
> money .usnews.com/ money /
@Ell Woah.
Geez, I wonder what that site talks about
An APU console killer?
00:35
@JerryCoffin It almost makes me wanna spent the $275/month to have my car.
@EtiennedeMartel meal ticket laundering
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@Nooble I mean, currently you can buy a pc for the same price as a current gen console
Which is just the best APU
A really low end PC is about the same as a game console.
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And it will play games 720p at 30fps like a console
Some games at 1080p
You can build a $500 PC with an R9-280 no?
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00:37
Consoles are like $300
Oh :P
i almost hit 2k on agar.io
@Ell $300 is doable with a $50 mobo and $50 CPU.
Well here's the $450 console crusher build anyway.
I will give the pie guy a year & a half before he starts saying financial IT is full of sh!t
00:38
so salty now
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What $50 CPU would suffice?
@Ell When you want a bit more speed, however, you can add an AMD/ATI graphics card that still lets you make use of the GPU cores in the CPU.
@Ell Maybe a G3258? Although that's $69.99.
FX-4200?
@Nooble I wonder how Witcher 3 runs on that GPU compared to a console
i.e. which platform offers the best experience
I love watching deluded people slowly getting reality
00:40
(my money's on the console)
Well.
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@AlexM. On the $450 one my money is on the PC for sure
That R9-280 is more powerful than your GTX-760 I believe. Barely, however.
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I think stuff is more expensive here in the UK
Also, PC gaming as a platform is IMO a lot better than console.
00:43
@Nooble I consider my experience subpar tbh
considering how the game didn't blow me away with the story and stuff
I'm really thinking about leaving it alone until I upgrade
and an EE is released
if ever
EE?
enhanced edition
previous games had it
Ahh.
with an EE the devs could have an excuse to bring back the features they cut off for console compatibility
By that time, you should get an R9-3XX ;)
I honestly don't understand why they had to downgrade the PC version.
For the consoles.
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00:45
Plus if you factor in game costs & online costs
^ Yeah.
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Spending an extra $100 is justified in like 1 year of using the PC
Console gamers need to pay for online play :P
I don't want AMD hardware
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00:46
Its going to outperform NVidia I predict
It probably will.
The only thing in question now is price.
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Yup
Intel and NVIDIA need some competition.
intel way outperforms amd
i think ati vs nvidia is pretty close though
value-wise at least
Even performance-wise usually. It's just that AMD hasn't released a card in a while.
00:54
yeah theres some powerful ati cards keep in mind they run hotter and use way more power
"If I ever have a son, I'll name him Geralt"
finally some appreciation around here
@TechnikEmpire thats only $27,375 a year
No, I expect people to be helpful here, not rude. If you don't know, then don't say anything. — bensch128 8 mins ago
lol
presius litel flower
snowflek-flower
@chmod711telkitty I got you a book
01:00
@Ell Might be semi-competitive: pcpartpicker.com/p/PBfJXL Certainly a lot easier to do some incremental upgrades than with a console--add a ~$150 video card, and definitely gains quite a bit.
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@JerryCoffin I just don't think the A8 will be enought to play many games at all :/
I agree wrt incremental upgrades
Your question is not suited for SO. You would know this if you had read the rules, but you didn't. It's not being rude (I even said please, how is that rude?), it's being annoyed at your lack of interest on how this site works and yet persisting on asking a question unfit for it. This is not a private help desk nor do we speculate on the features of library X. The end. — buttiful buttefly 3 mins ago
lel
feels like monday morning again
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Either way I have a much better PC anyway :P
I'm going to get some sleep alsk
Night all!
night
01:04
nite sleep tite
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@melak47 Nighty night.
this realm.io thingy is cringeworthy
@DonLarynx lol, do I look like a fan to anyone or anything?
@Nooble Yup--as long as you don't try to eye-candy too high, it looks like it's adequate (and from what I've seen, I doubt the consoles are a whole lot better).
01:13
but thanks for thinking of me when you see the book
@chmod711telkitty I don't know: I haven't seen you.
I just got killed by AIDS.
But if you are, it would be great to blow me.
In agar.io.
01:15
@Nooble lol
@buttifulbuttefly Seriously these names.
I was trapped between AIDS and ebony porn.
I'm usually trapped with Koreans playing in team :(
They have a main, big cell, and a few supporters feeding it
It's horrible
@Nooble Is it me or the female character in tomb raider used to be thinner? Have they index her weight up by the same amount as the average population:
@chmod711telkitty I didn't really notice.
Just got killed by hitler.
@chmod711telkitty Hmm...so the last time I noticed, my wife's weight was about what women (on average) are reporting as their ideal weight (though she is below average height...)
01:27
This game sucks.
@Nooble Far too many games are still built around the basic arcade notion: kill the player fairly quickly so he has to pay more to keep going. Keep him alive just long enough to tease him into trying again...
@JerryCoffin Very true :(
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I wonder...
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Do macros also dump comments in code?
Good morning guys.
user3010322
01:41
Does it only dump comments if its a multiline macro?
user3010322
E.g. #define TEST 0 // Woof woof
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Also, macros only subsitute if the whole word bordered on not-identifiers is a macro, right?
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E.g. int a = woofTEST; will not subsitute, but int b = TEST; will?
@ThePhD Yo I'm using Sol very delightfully. :)
@DeanSeo Morning!
user3010322
01:43
@DeanSeo Glad to hear. Some extra fixes and features were pushed in the latest devel update: consider upgrading ASAP.
@buttifulbuttefly Sup, changed your nickname?
no i've always gone by this one for at least 5 days
@ThePhD I will check-out today. Thx.
@buttifulbuttefly Haha
Would this null-checking approach leak some bug?
if (nullptr == (var1 & var2 & var3)) // Make sure all the `var`s are NOT set to nullptr.
I just don't want nested null checking conditions.
if (var1 && var2 && var3) is clearer
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Yeah... what you're doing up there is some kind of black magic.
01:45
@buttifulbuttefly Ahh sweet.
Dark magic?
Also, early exit is your friend when it comes to nested blocks
user3010322
if (var1 == nullptr) {
     return;
}
if (var2 == nullptr) {
     return;
}
if (var3 == nullptr) {
     return;
}
user3010322
You can just sync that all up on less lines with || though
@buttifulbuttefly Early exit meaning that returns as soon as null checked in nested conditions?
I'm still torn between if (!ptr) and if (ptr == nullptr) in my code
@DeanSeo As ThePhD did above
01:47
@ThePhD Yeah, thx. But what about just using the & operator?
Don't use &, it's binary and. It doesn't make much sense in this context.
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@DeanSeo It assumes whatever you're programming with has the & operator defined on it.
You know like in a case where I'd like to null-check a bunch of variables, more than 10 vars.
@DeanSeo recursive template
All vars are stuck in stack.
user3010322
01:49
There should be like an any( predicate, Types... ) call you can write.
The average Australian woman was 161.8 cm tall and weighed 71.1 kg.
Is there any variadic template std func like std::is_null(T... var)?
<-- average weight, slightly taller than average height, last time I checked
I should check.
Thanks :)
@DeanSeo No, but trivial to write
01:50
@buttifulbuttefly I should : ) : ) : )
Sol makes things lighter than ever so far.
Good good
Back to work.
After coffee.
I want 10% of all your benefits with Sol for recommending you the library. 2% of those will graciously go to the developers.
has anyone here used tup in production?
Yeah you guys should visit here. I buy beers for ya all. I promise this time I will drink a LOT of it.
Btw you made a typo in your name. I see a butt in it, @buttifulbuttefly.
@shuttle87 use ninja
@DeanSeo a typo? where?
01:55
butt-iful
@Rapptz looks like it overlaps with ninja very much
@DeanSeo oh, how is it spelt?
I think beautiful?
I tried tup before and didn't like it
I'm ttoally open to suggestions, I'm willing to do a lot to avoid needing to rewrite this nasty makefile based build I have in front of me... I just can't find much info on tup.
No??
01:56
ninja + python generator = god sent
@DeanSeo hmmmmm at least i spelled buttefly correctly
If that's what your intention is about, you know I like butt anyway so it's alright.
Lol.
@DeanSeo I'm 100% sure it is spelled buttiful.
> bu·tti·ful
ˈbo͞otəfəl/
adjective
pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically.
"buttiful poetry"
synonyms: attractive, pretty, handsome, good-looking, alluring, prepossessing; More
of a very high standard; excellent.
"the house had been left in buttiful order"
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Q: How to create a "C single-line comment" macro

ysapI am trying to create a "single line comment" macro in C, this is used conditionally to comment out lines of codes, according to some global macro definitions. It is the same idea expressed in this article. Trying many permutations of this code, I keep getting error messages from the compiler. ...

Thanks @Nooble!
user3010322
01:59
This is useful to remember.
@buttifulbuttefly Anytime.
@Nooble ?!?!
Anyone know if its customary to leave a copy of buffers you upload to OpenGL hanging around in memory
Customary?
Why do you care
LOOK EVERYONE IT'S @TONY
pounces
02:02
You can always just use glGetBufferSubData()
using any kind of glGet...() can stall your pipeline so its usually not a good idea
Oh yeah you're right...
Well, I suppose there's no harm in keeping that buffer.
user3010322
There is no harm in keeping the buffer.
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Unless it's a fat amount of data.
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So in most cases you don't keep it.
user3010322
02:06
But occasionally you do.
user3010322
Or you keep subsections, and re-update when necessary.
With Vulkan you won't have a buffer anymore
What then?
@buttifulbuttefly That's neat.
02:11
I read about buffer orphaning and that requires you to re upload the entire buffer... ugh.
Vulkan looks nice.
It'll take forever to trickle down to a point where most people will be able to use it though
Its still good though I should stop being such a negative nancy
I really like that it's unified.
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Q: What does the compiler do here: int a = b * (c * d * + e)?

MichaelI had a strange bug in my program, and after a few hours of debugging, I found the following very stupid line: int a = b * (c * d * + e) If you don't see it: Between d and e I wrote * +, where just a +was intended. Why does this compile and what does it actually mean?

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THat's a lot of points for such a simple answer.
02:18
lol so much c++ hate on HN
We're literally close to reopening. stackoverflow.com/questions/26109986/…
That was from my younger days :p
@buttifulbuttefly what else is new
it's full of hipsters and rubyists
user3010322
@buttifulbuttefly Linky link?
> The behavior of glBufferData/glBufferSubData is actually very imple- mentation dependent. For instance, it seems that AMD’s driver can implicitly orphan the buffer. On NVIDIA, it is slightly more efficient to orphan manually and then upload with glBufferSubData, but doing so will ruin the performance on Intel
02:25
The link is old and boring (2012) so don't bother
> (I know enough C++ to be dangerous.)
careful there he knows C++
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@buttifulbuttefly This thread is lulz.
@Rapptz Whoah, using strong words here
> C++ has huge advantages. [...]. But not exception handling, not RTTI, not STL, not all the Java-esque shit. You have to understand that the people who designed it are basically morons and the people who implemented stl are retarded morons, but underneath it all there is still C with vastly improved namespacing and data hiding.
@LucDanton Sorry m8
Lounge<C with vastly improved namespacing and data hiding>
02:34
@buttifulbuttefly ugh that article again
it's always reposted
Yeah
And it's still as bad as the first time
this time featuring rust circlejerking
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The article itself is actually very sane.
user3010322
The comments are off the rails.
user3010322
02:36
(I haven't finished the article)
@Rapptz Hard to implement intrusive containers in Rust?! Then clearly intrusive containers are the bad!
user3010322
.... Oh, no, 2-phase-init, the horror.
@ThePhD Very sane? Really?
the article itself is utter garbage
lmao
The entire article is an exercise in cluelessness
02:37
from the first snippet onwards too
user3010322
@buttifulbuttefly The point about exceptions being somewhat unwieldy in their scope is true, though the author really is making his own problem here by just not figuring out a better way to deal with exceptions.
Also I just stumbled upon N4287 and whoah whoah
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@buttifulbuttefly Linky link?
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@buttifulbuttefly So, I finished reading. It's not very sane. /cc @Rapptz
02:43
can't save face now m8
user3010322
It's not about saving face, it's just the way they've decided to go about "solving" the problem is... well. Kinda bad.
user3010322
They should have just stuck with exceptions.
back to witcher
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> class person
{
int age;
int weight;
};

std::list <person*> people;
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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02:47
I take it back. Anything out of this person's mouth is from the pits of hell.
@buttifulbuttefly very intersting, hadn't seen this before, thanks for posting a link
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@buttifulbuttefly That's... amazing.
03:26
lol
baddie alert
> Operations are doubles are typically faster than float.
whattttttt
The processor is able to multitask with doubles.
@buttifulbuttefly Why are you even reading these?
These are like, the crackpot science of programming.
cppworstpractices
03:49
@MarkGarcia lol

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