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12:06 AM
why do I obsess over optimization? And why doesn't it work? (stackoverflow.com/questions/8784732 if anyone wants context )
 
obviously you are doing it wrong ;)
 
@Grizzly I have run out ideas. SSCCE works fine, full code doesn't. The only difference I can find is the code before and after the timings.
 
@Ambeco: why did you expect the vector to be faster?
 
@Grizzly locality and more perfect binary search?
 
12:10 AM
locality in a binary search?
 
@Grizzly it's not a node based container, so yes
 
> we have decided that we will be blacking out reddit on January 18th from 8am–8pm EST (1300–0100 UTC).
Reddit is protesting against SOPA.
 
yeah, but for 16byte objects you have 4 objects per cacheline, so only the last 2 comparisons will benefit from it (maybe only one, depending where the cacheline boundary is)
 
Also, look how considerate they are in showing times in UTC. They actually know there's more world outside America!
 
assuming 64byte cachelines
 
Xeo
12:12 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes UTC was GMT+0, right?
 
Xeo
Why don't they just say so then. :(
 
While EST can be US Eastern Standard Time, or Australian Eastern Standard Time, or European Summer Time.
@Xeo GMT is not the same all year round. UTC is less confusing.
GMT can be UTC+0 or UTC+1.
 
Xeo
Ah, right. Summertime
 
During EST, GMT is UTC+1.
hehe.
 
12:14 AM
@Grizzly I have greatly increased speed for removal, I figured search would also benefit. Also, I should look up cacheline sizes
 
Xeo
I rather read it the other way around: UTC is GMT-1 during EST
 
@Ambeco: The more perfect binary search might help, however generally not all that much
 
Plus, using UTC has the added advantage of fitting my timezone neatly :)
 
@Grizzly which cache? Wouldn't L3 have a bigger line size? Or is the vector's locality benefit only in the paging system
@Grizzly the "more perfect" binary search seems to be averaging .25 less comparisons on average
 
so that advantage can easily be negated by a small additional overhead somewhere (like doing additional copying, the compiler doing worse in its optimization)
 
Xeo
12:18 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes You don't have Summertime?
 
@Xeo Yes, we do. (All of Europe except Iceland and Russia do).
 
@Ambeco: I think its typically the same size for all levels
 
But it's an easy conversion.
 
and 64byte for your typical x86 from what I remember
 
Xeo
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Q: hi Problemi ne c + +, ju lutem

limeREQUIREMENT: create a matrix of size 500 X 500 with most elements are zero. matrix define a class that uses a list to store non-zero elements and use operators overloed + - and *(multiplication) for listed non zero elements of matrix.

 
12:21 AM
@Grizzly I just realized I have no idea whatsoever what "normal" cahce line sizes are, other than a page is 4016.
 
Xeo
See my comment...
 
@Xeo Arrrgh, it's the third time someone posts that question.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, well, d'uh. Fuck edits.
 
Oh yeah, I noticed now.
 
Free flag weight! Err, I mean, wow what a terrible question.
 
12:22 AM
There goes a question vote. At least it keeps the system from annoying me.
 
Xeo
Y'know, if I was a professor, I'd tell my students about SO last. Right before they graduate.
 
Why would you even tell them?
 
Xeo
Or maybe a bit earlier and actually tell them how to ask questions here.
 
Let 'em learn as they want.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes To answer their questions on my SO account and garner rep
 
12:24 AM
@Ambeco: Just looked it up for x86: 64byte for all intel since p4 and amd at least since K8 (no idea about earlier)
 
Xeo
While explicitly not mentioning certain stuff in the classes
 
Oh, I should have foreseen some ulterior unethical motive.
 
Xeo
Of course.
 
always good to have such informations when doing optimizations
 
@Grizzly I also found things that imply that. Hrm. I just really though the vector would be faster. It certainly is for construct/insert/erase, which I hadn't expected
Seems wierd to use a vector for fast random-insertion-removal, but slower lookup compared to a map.
 
12:30 AM
As I said it might simply be a case of your implementation being less then optimal
 
@Grizzly It must be, but I never figured out how. I compared to std::map, and there's a 1:1 correlation for most of it.
 
12:42 AM
As I said it can simply be a case of the compiler missing some optimizations
 
1:09 AM
@Grizzly well, you observed cache locality was basically a myth, and the vector requires pointer arithmetic... it might be as simple as that.
 
Hello, world.
 
@Ambeco: Well since the two pointers to children are most likely next to each other for maps the compiler might be able to optimize the conditional jump deciding which address to use or something like that
 
 
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Awesome.
unt32_t lol.
constexpr unsigned long long bit(int n) {
    return 1ull << n;
}
const unsigned wakeup_mask = bit(1); // so much better :)
 
1_bit?
 
I thought of that, but it seems more confusing than bit(1).
 
I suppose 100_b would make more sense than 2_bit.
 
Can you use numbers that are not representable in unsigned long long if you use the template <char...> literal operator? I mean, 2^64 only gives you 19 decimal digits.
Like 10000000000000000000000000000000_b (32-bits where the MSB is set). 10^31 is not representable in a 64-bit int.
 
5:20 AM
No idea.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Sure, it's just a stream of characters then
Atleasts that's what I think
You could use it for big numbers for example
42......manydigits...1337_big or somesuch
 
18 hours of sleep for a change. That's nice.
 
5:55 AM
@MooingDuck What strange number is 4016? Did you mean 4096?
 
6:35 AM
@FredOverflow yes
 
 
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7:48 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes +1 for that
@MooingDuck I see you got your name back :)
@MooingDuck hehe. hackers
 
8:32 AM
Morning all
@CatPlusPlus I seem to have picked up a sleep banking system. I don't sleep much at all during the week, but then see to spend all weekend sleeping
 
morning.
 
8:52 AM
@Feeds nice idea, but poor execution
 
9:05 AM
mawning
 
@TonyTheLion rawr!
 
ROWWWRRRRRR
 
@TonyTheLion argh, ye scurvy dog... erm cat
 
lol
what ya doing?
 
wasting company time :D
huh, turns out, not only was I wasting company time, I was wasting my time as well
 
9:16 AM
I'm not sure if this is really cool or really ridiculous:
{| |} The Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser Testbed, (formerly Airborne Laser) weapons system is a megawatt-class chemical oxygen iodine laser (COIL) mounted inside a modified Boeing 747-400F. It is primarily designed as a missile defense system to destroy tactical ballistic missiles (TBMs), while in boost phase. The aircraft was designated YAL-1A in 2004 by the U.S. Department of Defense. The YAL-1 with a low-power laser was test-fired in flight, at an airborne target in 2007. A high-energy laser was used to intercept a test target in January 2010, Funding for the program was cut in 2010 a...
 
@RMartinhoFernandes can't it be both?
Like a roller coaster to space. it is a ridiculous idea, what would be really cool if they did it
kickstarter perhaps ¬_¬
 
@thecoshman awaiting your contribution
 
@sehe ¬_¬ what do you expect from me? My overall opinion is that it is a vomit styles
 
@thecoshman WTF
 
@TonyTheLion That's what I was up to when you asked
 
9:30 AM
lol
lulz
 
@TonyTheLion I see you finally got around to reddit this morning
 
oh yes :P
 
I like to get in some reddit when whilst I wake up before I head out to work
are you scared yet?!
 
SOPA is for Americans only, no?
oh yea I'm sure Europe will follow
but no yet as far as I know...
 
@TonyTheLion that argument is kind of like saying, nukes want effect you if they land in another country. And yes, I do think the fallout of SOPA is on par with the fallout of a nuke
 
9:38 AM
fucks not given
 
to put it bluntly, SOPA/PIPA will fuck the world
 
What's with the Portuguese-sounding names? ("soup" and "barrel").
 
the world's already fucked, so fuck it
lol :P
 
@TonyTheLion those Myans get to you too
 
The world can crash and burn for all I care.
At least I won't have do those stupid exams.
 
sbi
10:27 AM
0
Q: How to parse/simple analyze C/C++ code from C# to get a list of methods

pabloI need to go through a C/C++ file and extract the list of classes and methods and where they're located on the file. Is libclang the best option? Or is it "too much" for the task? Would it be better to just look for pairing brackets? In case libclang is the choice: is there a way to invoke it ...

What do you say?
 
hmmm
not sure if that's as easy as it sounds
 
there is a thing for gcc that supports introspection, i think based on the intel abi
can be googled
i fixed my windows api lessons blog so that the main page serves as table of contents, with links directly into the various postings.
well it should have worked that way by default, but the theme messed up relative URLs
in other news, [comp.lang.c++.moderated] is working again, after John Potter heroically fixed things at the server, after a friendly-fire "update" on 7th january (which moved/removed much critical stuff)
 
@AlfPSteinbach Looks like a decent tutorial.
 
@StackedCrooked thanks
 
10:43 AM
looks like yet another c++ winapi tutorial
btw, I think here will be a warning about bool-to-integer convertion - MoveWindow( editControl, 0, 0, newWidth, newHeight, true );
 
There are warnings about bool to integer conversion?
 
in VC++ .
oh, seem it only for integer->bool, not for bool->integer
 
@Abyx that seem's strange; why allow implicate conversion one way but not t'other
 
11:01 AM
"bool b = intVar;" yields warning, because it generates code "bool b = intVar != 0;", "int x = boolVar" would yield warning because it generates code "int x = boolVar ? 1 : 0;"
 
Hi ,can I ask here regarding MFC?
 
@MichaelIV sure
but probably the answer will be "don't use MFC"
 
I am a noob so be patient please .I overwrote OnIdle in the main app to set a render loop of OpenGL wrapper
He He
So it is not being called
 
@MichaelIV ¬_¬ we will wait for the question, then mock :P
 
Do I need to MAP it t o some message ?
 
11:04 AM
no, OnIdle is not a "onMessage"
maybe you should enable it somehow
 
based on what little you have given... I'm going to just say you probably missed out setting a callback
it is also worth pointing out that you do not want your idle function to be render then entire scene
 
I need my openGl->render(); get called on each frame
Can you extend on callback?
 
@Abyx uhm, i don't know of any other. all the others are (it seems) C. perhaps compiled with C++ compiler, but C.
 
The main app extends CWinApp and overrides virtual BOOL OnIdle(LONG lCount);
 
with a lot of this windowing system, you pass a callback function that you want it to call. You want your idle function to do a time based physics, such that the more often it gets called the smaller the time step. It then needs to keep track of when it last rendered so that it can call a render function at a some what sensible frame rate
 
11:08 AM
@AlfPSteinbach I believe there is a lot of such tutorials on codeproject (it seems there is everything)
also, your tutorial is in "C++ without classes", no so much difference from C compiled with C++ compiler
 
Then in the .cpp I define it :
 
@Abyx huh, where did you get that impression?
 
where there is a class keyword?
 
@MichaelIV you can define you render function where ever you like
 
@Abyx perhaps use your browser's text search function for that, instead of asking me?
very silly question, if i may say so
stupid to not check first
 
11:11 AM
@thecoshman I know it but for the starter I am trying to get the OnIdle() working.And it is never triggered.
 
@MichaelIV perhaps your code never idles?
 
hm i'm not winning the "get friends & readers" contest
i don't care, i hate stupid questions
 
May be you are right.
 
oh, I found it - "class Optional"
 
@thecoshman .Any alternative for continuous calls?
 
11:16 AM
of course, using (undocumented) preprocessor macros is definitely C++ way.
 
@Abyx that's stupid comment. please stop stupid fucking thing. there is no relationship between use of preprocessor macros (Microsoft's API) and "C++ way", and also, "C++ way" is your f***cking term,. not mine
 
don't use macros
 
@TonyTheLion you can't program windows at the api level without them. the api is all macros. thousands of them. so also in that sense is Abyx's comment just plain stupid. i get so angry
 
@AlfPSteinbach oh didn't know you were talking about win api
@AlfPSteinbach you in a bad mood today?
 
if I can program in winapi in a language without preprocessor, why can't I do it in C\C++ ?
 
11:20 AM
@Abyx because the language binding you're using is without macros. the language binding for C and for C++ is based on macros. it's far too much to rewrite and maintain on your own.
 
There are a few C++ wrappers around the WinAPI. There was one that used modern C++ heavily. It's even on Bjarne's page (I think).
 
anyway, I'm about undocumented massage crackers\handlers, not macros at all
 
@Abyx you are implying it is better to do your own bit-fiddling unpacking than using Microsoft's defined and maintained macro-based API (which they've removed docs for). that's stupid. can't you please stop write stupid things? you are upsetting me.
 
@AlfPSteinbach perhaps he's just a troll
 
The min/max macros must be two of the most evil macros in the WinAPI.
 
11:25 AM
good morning, inferior programmers!
 
oh puppy is here
what's up puppy?
 
not much™
 
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A: Linking / creating account on other sites adds 2 "recent names" to your profile?

Marc GravellThis will be fixed next build; apparently (as I'm sure you guessed) new accounts start with a dummy name, that is filled in ASAP (using either the "user12345" pattern or a name from you or your OpenID provider) - news to me, since it happens very fast. In fact, you just proved a code-comment accu...

 
ok, not IKEA today. I think I'll check whether there's something simple and nutritious and cheap at the Mexican restaurant around the corner. And buy "Juggler of worlds" @sbi :-)
 
@thecoshman And mine. Thank you very much. Why did we have to see that, again?
@thecoshman Myans, huh?
 
11:37 AM
@MichaelIV find out why it is never idling
@sehe I didn't realise you had seen it before
@sehe yup, mother fucker myans!
@AlfPSteinbach mmm burrito!
@DeadMG you trademarked not much ¬_¬ dang
 
@thecoshman Since you link to everything you happen to bump into on the entire internet, it woule be safest to just assume that you have posted it before, next time :)
 
@sehe ¬_¬ don't tempt me, I could 'bump' into a lot more
 
11:53 AM
fortunately, I have the capacity to move messages to the bin to alleviate that problem
 
@thecoshman huh. I really don't get what you are up to. Are you angry, or just bored? You could always answer some questions on stackoverflow.com, e.g.
 
@sehe bored :P
 
hmm
apparently my ISP are going to double my internet speeds up to 60Mb/s for free
 
@DeadMG it's a trap!
Lunch time for me
 
@DeadMG cool where's that. upload ?
 
Hmm, I pay for 20Mbps and get ~10Mbps. :(
 
owch, I pay for 30Mbps and get something more approximating 35Mbps
 
12:23 PM
I pay for 62 KBps and get 62 KBps :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes No , DSL :)
 
62KBs DSL?
holy shit, that's one poor broadband service
I mean, not everyone can have fibreoptic cable like me, but still
 
cpx
around 512 Kbps, right?
 
@DeadMG 0_o , I'm so happy with it , last connection was 56 Kbps dial-UP :)
 
12:26 PM
@MrAnubis Where are you at?
 
lol
 
@RMartinhoFernandes i think nepal
 
@RMartinhoFernandes it's big for me, since 62 K bytes p s
 
Bytes? Not bits?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Nepal , you forgot :)
@Pubby Yes
 
12:29 PM
Oh, so it's a 256Kbps line?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes 512 I guess :)
 
Sometimes I get worse than that when I'm using 3G.
 
496, actually.
Also, fuck probability theory.
 
@CatPlusPlus That's highly unlikely.
 
lol
 
12:32 PM
How is it that I can learn C++ and not some silly equations?
 
a question I have been asking myself for many, many, many years
by that I mean "Every second I've spent in this hellhole"
 
I think I've never actually learned how to learn.
 
Q: How can you drop a raw egg onto a concrete floor without cracking it?
 
Drop it from mm high.
 
cover the concrete floor in water
like, six feet of water
 
12:34 PM
A: Just drop it. You don't need to crack an egg to drop it.
 
or a thicker fluid if water isn't enough
 
A : Concrete floors are very hard to crack!
:D
 
not funny
hmm
would it be ironic/silly to use Bison to generate the parser to read input to write a parser generator of my own? :P
 
It was so not funny dead people cried.
 
@DeadMG It does hint at a bit of silliness.
 
12:35 PM
Bison uses Bison for that.
 
I guess that I could just hard code the input
 
Another Q : If it took eight men ten hours to build a wall, how long would it take four men to build it?
 
let me guess
no time at all because it's already built
 
@DeadMG cool , perfect :)
 
Nine months.
 
12:37 PM
not cool, just silly
 
It's not even a wordplay.
Also I suck at probability and statistics.
I didn't even know there was so much useless information in both of them.
 
if you want to know something statistically, then hire a statistician, that's what they're for
apart from that, forget it
 
I was much happier when I didn't know that quantile existed.
 
I was much happier when I had food in the fridge.
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I was much happier when I didn't know that this university existed
 
12:40 PM
I have a damn test in 5 hours.
I'll have a world record in "how many tests can one fail in one month" category.
How can I learn something when I get bored even reading its name?
 
a test in what?
 
Probability and statistics.
 
WTF is Visual Studio LightSwitch?
 
@CatPlusPlus you don't like that? I thought that was pretty fun
 
T* x; std::move(x); - what will be value of x? nullptr or something unknown?
 
12:44 PM
probability that is
 
"Microsoft Visual Studio LightSwitch is a simplified self-service development tool that enables you to build business applications quickly and easily for the desktop and cloud. What can your business do with LightSwitch?" — "We have no idea, that's why we named it this way."
@Abyx move doesn't modify anything.
 
std::move doesn't move.
 
but does it call move assignment operator?
 
Do you see assignment there?
 
There's no assignment in your code.
 
12:46 PM
ok, T* x; T* y = std::move(x);
 
That either leaves x in an unspecified state or unchanged. I'm not sure which.
 
Why would you want to move a pointer?
 
Using moved-from object is some sort of illegal, methinks.
At the very least silly.
 
@CatPlusPlus But no move happens.
It's a copy.
 
Dunno.
 
12:49 PM
seems it won't be NULL, at least in VC++
 
It's a copy.
 
it seems that I don't get moving =\
 
@DeadMG Technically, you don't know. You think you do, but what you perceive as 'this universe' is, well not so universal :)
 
@Abyx Only types with move constructors get moved.
Anything else is a copy.
 
@Abyx Keep in mind that "moving" basically means making a shallow copy of an object and invalidating the original. Moving a pointer object is always shallow. (I don't really know how I should interpret the "invalidates the original" aspect here. Perhaps it means setting the pointer to 0.)
 
1:03 PM
@StackedCrooked No, it doesn't invalidate a thing. It's a copy.
 
@StackedCrooked what is "invalidating the original"? original will be in some valid state
 
@StackedCrooked so basically, it's not much different to myclass T* = new myclass; myclass F* = T; T* = null_ptr;
 
No! It's the same as T* y = x;.
 
@Abyx That's in case of classes. Apparently it doesn't invalidate non-class types.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes that's what I meant, the T* y = x; part... so what the hell is the point in a function to do that?
 
1:04 PM
The function doesn't do anything.
It's almost an identity function.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes so why does it exist?
 
@StackedCrooked what is "invalidate"?
 
All it does is change the type.
It's just a neater static_cast<T&&>.
 
Anyone up for this memory model question?
 
@Abyx For a user-defined class the user must implement this. Usually it means setting a member pointer to 0.
 
1:05 PM
@thecoshman So you can make an rvalue out of lvalue.
 
@Abyx If the user doesn't invalidate it then the move is only a shallow copy, which would eventually lead to double deletion.
 
I usually implement move as "default initialise and swap".
 
@StackedCrooked but it's valid state, for example vector<> will be empty, and you still can use it
 
@CatPlusPlus and here I reach my limit. *value shit just seems to be more info then is really needed to do a lot of the stuff you would actually want to do with C++
 
It must be valid state.
Invariants must be held, because destructor is going to run.
If you leave moved-from object in an invalid state, then dtor might barf.
 
1:07 PM
@Abyx The resulting state is unspecified.
 
Using that object is silly, though.
 
I think there was some back-and forth on the committee about that, actually. Whether they should require the moved-from object to be in a consistent state, or just say that it's in some magic "don't touch" state until it gets destroyed
 
@Abyx I say "invalidate", but "emptied" is a perhaps a better term.
 
I think they ended up calling it a consistent but unspecified state, or something semi-fluffy like that. But haven't looked it up :)
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Well, "as valid as dtor require" maybe.
 
1:09 PM
std::vector<int> a { 1, 2, 3 };
std::vector<int> b = std::move(a);
a.push_back(4); // works, not UB or anything
assert(a.size() == 1); // isn't guaranteed to hold
 
Haha, this answer appears to suggest that "in dynamically typed languages it's OK to write shoddy code".
 
"Statically typed (...) this is called dynamic binding. That is, the method to call is selected during runtime (...) With dynamically typed languages the situation is completely different. (...) The method will be looked up during runtime, that is why these languages are called "dynamic"."
I mean, come on.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I guess move-assignment could be implemented by swapping the contents the vectors. Which would indeed make the original object unsafe for use after being moved.
 
Why would swap make it unsafe, from all the things?
std::vector<int>().swap(a); has been used to free storage for years.
 
@CatPlusPlus Unsafe because you don't know if the original will be empty after being moved, or contain data from the object that was move-assigned.
 
1:14 PM
@StackedCrooked Hell++ moves the contents of the rhs vector, destroys the contents of the lhs vector, and leaves a single 42 in the rhs vector.
 
@KerrekSB your point being? isn't that the case? Most people seem to think that it is ok to write shoddy code in C, Java just the same
 
Ah, move assignment. Nvm.
 
vector & operator=(vector && rhs) { swap(rhs); return *this; } // I think this would work
 
@StackedCrooked Creating Undefined behaviour? At the very least you missed a return
 
@sehe details...
 
1:18 PM
swap(*this, rhs)
 
-Wall -Werror would catch that for me.
 
But again, using moved-from object is silly. You're moving from it for a reason.
 
@StackedCrooked Quite important details.
@CatPlusPlus using std::swap; swap(*this,rhs);
 
It'll probably have specialised friend void swap() anyway.
 
@sehe it (std::swap) will use move assignments
 
1:19 PM
@sehe It's in the std namespace, no need for that.
 
@CatPlusPlus Why would you prefer std::swap over the member method?
 
Oh right, vector has a swap method.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, @StackedCrooked didn't specify the enclosing class. It couldn't be std::vector, because it is against ODR to modify the definition and against the standard to declare user types in that namespace.
 
@sehe It was std::vector. We were discussing possible implementations of the standard library.
 
1:22 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes fair enough
 
But there's one extra problem.
 
There always is.
 
It should be vector & operator=(vector && __rhs) { swap(__rhs); return *this; } or something like that.
:P
You can't write standard library code without underscores all over.
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_A__rhs
 
Right.
// implementation in GCC 4.6 on my comp
vector& operator=(vector&& __x) {
    // NB: DR 1204.
    // NB: DR 675.
    this->clear();
    this->swap(__x);
    return *this;
}
 
1:28 PM
Woah, two bugs in three lines of code. Amazing.
 
FSS waited two weeks before Christmas for a meeting to conclude that a 'bug' we had floating around for about a month was not really an issue as it only happens when you do something that you wouldn't normally do. Turns out some one want's a fix so you can do something that you don't need to do
 
No, really, why are they using underscores for arguments?
 
@CatPlusPlus because one may do #define rhs <#$%%!!11>, but can't do it with __rhs, by standard
 
maybe I should start earthquake proofing my house ¬_¬
 
@CatPlusPlus Perhaps they can use lexical template expansions and/or debug information on steroids and track the origin of the identifiers they see while analyzing (optimized) output?
 
1:29 PM
Right.
I've seen it the first time, stop plinking me, dammit.
 
@Abyx: insightful, actually. Of course that might be it. But i'd expect them to use __int, __class and __catch ... too
 
wait, yet one more edit...
 
The plings make the Cat twitch.
 
should be plinq, really
 
I don't do .NET.
 
1:31 PM
@sehe you're not allowed to re-#define language keywords :)
 
Right.
Not that it stops anyone.
 
@CatPlusPlus but neither does the underscore thing
 
@jalf oh right, forgot about that
 
it's basically just so that "if you follow the rules, you won't mess up our standard library code"
"and if you break the rules, screw you, it's your own fault if the standard library breaks"
 
Probability of following all the rules in C++ is near 0 at all times.
 
Xeo
1:36 PM
Wait, so we all actually write ill-formed programs all the time?
 
yeah, but the purpose is to shift the blame
 
Xeo
lol
 
@sehe Sure, though it's the explicit connection that dynamic typing somehow obviates good OO design that stands out in that post...
 

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