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I haven't learned how to play the whole game properly yet, so that would be just asking for it
Hey Alex
How is Witcher 3 different from Witcher 2
then again portugal is easy to play
1 up
especially with the AI on easy
@Cicada You need some competition in saying those.
10:01
@Rapptz it's a sequel for starters
so if you want to see how the story unfolds you play it
thanks m8. Didn't know 3 > 2.
the world is bigger and it's longer than the predecessor
and it's open world-ish like Skyrim now, unlike the other two games
@AlexM. Almost starrable if you had split the subject in a previous message
How's the combat
cause I didn't like it back then
@AlexM. But that's so much fun :/
10:02
I could probably look it up online but 2lazy
I liked the combat in all the other games
you can read reviews you know, there's plenty of them now
I mean I haven't played the game yet since plebs like us don't get it until next week
but the press has
yeah but you're the only one I know hyped enough to care about this
also Borgleader
I'm a bit upset about the graphics downgrade though :<
it looks nothing like what was advertised less than a year ago
there's always a graphics downgrade
every time
10:05
it's okay I browse /v/
it's so obvious it's not even funny
I get my daily dose of Witcher 3 shitposting from there
At the lowest level (actually, next-to-lowest) C exposes only synchronous functions like fread(), fwrite() for I/O
buzzzzzz
This is why you don't let JS devs answer C questions
@AlexM. That's PS4 version
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@Cicada s/ C questions//
10:06
About 3 percent of the world's population accounts for 96 percent of all languages spoken today.
@CatPlusPlus is it specified in the article? :O
I should have translated that thing
the funposts on /v/ always specify it's the PS4 version
@AlexM. Yes
Reading network packets are also technically synchronous. The difference is that the network doesn't respond immediately so the networking code has lots of time to spare waiting for packets. It is in between these reads and writes that javascript runs your code. But the filesystem will happily tell you that data is immediately available.
I don't understand anything
Wzięliśmy dwa chyba najsłynniejsze zwiastuny Wiedźmina 3, z E3 i Gamescomu z 2014 roku, i znaleźliśmy zaprezentowane na nich miejsca w pełnej wersji gry. Nie da się ukryć, niestety, że jest brzydziej. Miejcie tylko na uwadze, że graliśmy na PS4, a na prezentacjach z pewnością
10:08
You can not hide, unfortunately, that is uglier. Keep in mind only that played the PS4, and presentations will version shown PCs.
wot
google translate tends to be meh
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can't wait MGSV
Warcraft IV pls
Hi, so a noob question here and probably one that's been asked time and time again. In C++ when you leave the scope do variables/objects get de-referenced?
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@Cicada reading from regular files always blocks.
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10:10
Even in non-blocking mode.
@Warosaurus de-what?
@Warosaurus Destroyed. Destructed. Debobobobobobunalized.
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Abstractions like libuv solve this through threads.
@Warosaurus Debunked. Defenestrated.
@Cicada Defenestrated
ffff
10:10
@TheForestAndTheTrees too late
Yeah yeah xD
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And for some reason it appears as if Boost.Asio also does that, but it documents it doesn't.
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Or maybe OS X does it; haven't tried it on Linux.
@rightfold no (and that isn't my point anyway)
@Warosaurus They get kicked off the window being made fun of
10:11
So anyway, do they?
it's time to read a book
Do they what? Skip? Sure.
pretty much the same thing that happens to people asking questions in the Lounge :D
Ah.. kewl
10:12
@Warosaurus The question is badly formulated. What do you mean by "get de-referenced"?
I guess the question is - what's happening that makes you think thy aren't destroyed? Are you newing something and expecting it not to leak?
Women should be protected, as all minorities.
@rightfold it amazes me how much publicity this woman is getting. she's a complete non-entity
@Warosaurus Variables of automatic storage duration get destroyed at the end of scope.
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10:14
@TheForestAndTheTrees she's a minority.
Thankfully
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Your mother is a majority.
@Cicada there's more women than there's men vOv
@TheForestAndTheTrees she's able to amuse pantoona at least
tubmbrl is leaking
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10:16
reads like a book
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So, awfully verbose and boring?
verboring
@AndyProwl boroes?
@ScarletAmaranth I don't think so
@ScarletAmaranth borose*
10:17
@Cicada defacted
defecated
Andy Poop
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The Origin of the Feces.
@AndyProwl I need to poop more e's in
10:18
Oh okay thank you @milleniumbug. Sorry @AndyProwl, you're right it was, just read the newebie tips. Apologies :)
Nǀuu has 3 native speakers left. They live in different villages. No one speaks Nǀuu anymore.
@Warosaurus No prob. Anyway objects with automatic storage duration (aka "created on the stack") get destroyed when they go out of scope. "De-referenced" OTOH is something else. Existing pointers to destroyed object do not get automatically nulled out, if that's what you mean. Nor do references to them get unbound.
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Can a 3310 on a selfie stick be considered a hammer?
ask 9gag
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think there are few other similar situations. The last few native speakers of old languages fall out and refuse to speak to each other.
10:26
@AndyProwl that's pretty clever. "pretty much the same thing that happens to people asking questions in the Lounge :D" Can I ask questions here?
Yes obviously, that's what this room is for.
@Warosaurus Yes, you can ask questions, but if the questions are uninteresting or badly formulated the Lounge's reaction is usually to ignore them, star them for public shame, or make fun of them. The typical reaction of the asker then is (no wonder) to feel offended and somehow counter-attack. The typical reaction of the Lounge to that is total destruction of that user's confidence, image, and desire to live on.
So yeah feel free to ask :D
Xeo
Xeo
nom nom raspberries
whoaaaah holy mother of LRiO, have you seen those flags
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@AndyProwl you scared him
10:35
@ScarletAmaranth Seems so. I'd be scared too, but hey that's how it is
@AndyProwl true dat; better scared than scarred
@Cicada where who
I have to say there's been less noob-flaming lately though
I think we got better
@AlexM. some Indian guy
although
yesterday, by hg_git
Just saw php room , they're so much better than you guys!
10:37
@AndyProwl Lounge recovered from a long lasting Puppytis
I am still surprised people are willing to answer stuff like "what's a pointer"
the internet is FULL of answers
how lazy does one need to be to come to ask here
lazier
I don't think they want a full answer though. They just need a pointer
ba-dum-tschhh
Does:
@AndyProwl nullptr/10
10:38
@Jefffrey doesn't
definitely doesn't, Jeff
std::wstring s2ws(const std::string& str) { ... }
std::string ws2s(const std::wstring& wstr) { ... }
still doesn't
yep, totally doesn't
in an header file, violate the ODR?
10:39
not necessarily
no it doesn't
see?
if you include that file from 2 TUs it does
mark those as inline and problem solved, though
@AndyProwl I'm trying to find a way to make that pass lol
it's such a horrible artifact
@AlexM. it would be cool if you could, but I doubt it's possible
10:40
template <typename T, bool B = true, int = B ? MyStructSwitchProxy<T>() : 0>
struct MyStruct
{
};
for when B is false does MyStructSwitchProxy<T> get evaluated anyway
I mean, for any given type not explicitly designed for interoperating with that framework
or whatever one likes to call it
@AndyProwl that's not my goal
oh, ok. But it's the OP's goal after all
Had net problems :/ anyway, I understand the consequences ^^, @AndyProwl thanks
@AndyProwl Then header only libraries suck?
10:41
my goal is to just make sizeof(MyStruct<int>); count as an instantiation
@AndyProwl to be pedantic
he did not specify that
@Jefffrey If you write inline std::wstring s2ws(const std::string& str) { ... } then it's fine
he gave an example of some template he came up with himself and asked if he could tell at compile time if it's been instantiated
Because if I import, say, boost/any.hpp in a.cpp and b.cpp and then link them together, then they don't link?
I'd still prefer putting the definition in a cpp file though
having to explicitly write inline needs to be abolished
10:42
@Jefffrey They do
@Jefffrey They do
But you just said they violate the ODR in that case
learn2read
You want your free functions in headers to be either static or inline or both
@Jefffrey Not if they are marked as inline
10:44
@AndyProwl So all free functions in the boost library are marked inline?
yes
@Jefffrey if they are defined in a header file and the library is header-only then yes
constexpr implies inline and member functions in a class are implicitly inline too.
this is not necessary for templates though
10:46
@AndyProwl Even if you instantiate the same template in two translation units?
@Jefffrey Yes
@Jefffrey How do you think header-only libraries work
Usually, function template definitions need to be in header files
any of you use the Unite.vim plugin?
Would module solve this issue?
10:48
what issue?
The need to mark free functions in header files inline
Jefffrey is on drugs today
it's just an interaction of features
is slicing an issue? I'd say no vOv (please don't hurt me now, baby don't hurt me)
lol biicode is blocked at work
amazing
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is? huh? reading ¬_¬ you git
10:51
@thecoshman The story you heard about those two Mexicans that didn't talk to each other is a lie.
@thecoshman You should switch to SVN.
TIL code review requests are off-topic on Code Review lol
@Jefffrey AFAIK modules should make header files obsolete, so in a sense yes, they'd solve this issue. Although I reckon header files would still be supported for backwards compatibility, so as long as you're using header files the legacy way then nothing changes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I recalled it being somewhere in France... you svn
There have been a few offshoots of it.
@AndyProwl I assume compilers don't actually inline functions based on what I mark as inline, right?
10:53
It's a nice-selling story; no surprise it crops up often.
Xeo
Xeo
They don't
So they don't actually inline a 10 lines function
It's fantasy, though.
Ok great
sure they can inline a 10 lines function; god knows what that function looks like after being optimized
Xeo
Xeo
10:54
@Jefffrey Compilers have force-inline intrinsics, though
@Jefffrey It depends, really
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kay, now I need to learn how to properly fly that drone
@R.MartinhoFernandes high fantasy or low fantasy?
@Jefffrey an intrinsic function (for the compiler, say) - "non-standard-C++" in a way
10:57
@Jefffrey __forceinline and friends
ooooh very nice fluid sim in browser
Xeo
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@Jefffrey "built-ins", if you want
Ell
Ell
does the proposal describe a binary format for modules? Or just say what a compiler must be able to do with them?
Xeo
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stuff that the compiler just has, while not being mandated by the standard
11:00
@Jefffrey why does this matter
@Ell That would be a bit pointless, I think.
@Rapptz Because I don't want all my functions inlined
Ell
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes idk, it could enable one compiler to use modules built from another compiler, couldn't it?
@thecoshman I see nothing :c
11:01
@Jefffrey vOv
@thecoshman bjuuutifur
Ell
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes because of differing ABIs?
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Q: Library Box2d, VS2013 does not create a exe

Hubert MakowskiI have a problem with library Box2d. I have followed this advisory: https://aneelkkhatri.wordpress.com/2011/06/14/setting-up-box2d-library-in-visual-studio-c/ And everything was fine, up to a point "Testing the library" , namely the design of the sample "HelloWorld.cpp" library Box2d do not comp...

@Ell C++ already supports that btw.
I keep repeating this :(
Ell
Ell
11:05
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know
but it is not required by the standard
Then why did you think modules could change anything?
@Ell What isn't?
"Compilers must support Microsoft's ABI"? Of course not.
Ell
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes supporting using stuff built by another compiler
lol that'll never happen
@Ell It's stupid for the standard to refer to specific compilers.
there's just a VM
Ell
Ell
11:06
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah I didn't mean specific compilers
@Ell Then it's just impossible?
Ell
Ell
I'm kinda confused over what we're talking about now :P
It doesn't matter
I think you were confused from the start.
Ell
Ell
probaly
Compilers produce code for whatever targets you want. The C++ standard has no business in dictating how compatible those targets are to each other.
@Ell What did you mean then? "Compilers must support all other ABIs?"
11:11
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which means it'll probably start doing so in a few years' time...
Ell
Ell
I didn't say compilers must support all other ABIs
Then what?
What about code produced by Emscripten?
Ell
Ell
Well you can still share the non ABI specific stuff right?
I don't know vOv
@Ell That already exists.
Ell
Ell
In source code form you mean?
11:13
It's called "the C++ standard".
@Ell The non-ABI-specific stuff is basically C++.
Ell
Ell
Right
Ell
Ell
I just figured that c++ is an inefficient medium
and that some other representation would be faster to parse or compile or w/e
does anyone find isocpp.org slow?
They promised us concepts since forever now. Of course they are slow.
11:21
@Jefffrey I agree it provides all concepts so far..but it should be faster to be accessed
@CreativeMind wfm
@sbi Yes, but in OpenGL immediate mode
North Korea's Defence Minister Hyon Yong-chol has been executed for showing disloyalty to leader Kim Jong-un, South Korea's spy agency has told parliament.

MPs were told Mr Hyon was killed on 30 April by anti-aircraft fire in front of an audience of hundreds, the Yonhap news agency reports.

It said Mr Hyon had fallen asleep during an event attended by Kim Jong-un and had not carried out instructions.
Well.
Such a public and brutal method of execution as obliteration by anti-aircraft gun would emphasise the cost of disloyalty.
I mean, seriously... ouch.
you know one thing this earth does not lack: humans
we are the most invasive specie on this planet
11:30
That's not really true but okay
Probably bacteria actually
We don't even know how many species there are on this planet
Ell
Ell
actually mitochlorians are pretty invasive
someone should invent nasal tampons for when it's "that time of the year" (hayfever season)
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Ven
Ven
that's amazing
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah. was he a planekin?
Maybe he identified as an attack helicopter.
11:37
u sexist
(rofl)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit who?
@CreativeMind Are you a sexist?
@Ell pretty sure they already exist (under that name too) :p Google it?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how about u?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Interesting read! I'll start using "It’s pure chinh jaygwyaakax" from now on
11:43
pure cinch?
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@Ell Yes. Already compiled code is the fastest to compile.
Ok, let's write some SQL
@Ven Is he helisexual?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What the fuck.
Ven
Ven
11:46
@orlp think so. that's why he was killed using anti-heli weps
@Xeo looks interesting
Touch these blue words to learn how to get Thing Explainer.
@orlp lol
@AndyProwl lol I was gonna quote that too but cba
programming while female
sounds like a criminal charge
19 Nov 2015
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit She should stop that
11:49
@LightnessRacesinOrbit while(female) programming();
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That explains the broken connection an hour ago.
Ven
Ven
@LightnessRacesinOrbit everyday I'm femalin'
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me too :[
do you have long hair rightfold
11:51
in some spots
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stupid SPF
kinky
TIL "street" is "droga" in Polish, which, in turn, is "drug" in Italian
Tells you everything you need to know really, doesn't it?
@CreativeMind Yes. Lots
11:54
lots of flags
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That they have roads of cocaine?
Italians are druggies and Poles like to .. drive places?
why the heck is alan turing's name everywhere
@Jefffrey High'n'Furious
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@Jefffrey And "juice" is "sok" in Polish, which is "sock" in Dutch.
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11:55
We can conclude that Poles drink sweat from old stinky socks.
@Jefffrey Strictly speaking, "droga" is more like "road" than "street"
@chmod711telkitty because he's the boss
the boss of what?
Ven
Ven
@chmod711telkitty the movie and al?
@rightfold Can confirm the first part.
11:56
I am very uncomfortable with using the acronym IANAL
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kurwa
That is a case where I'd gladly trade speed for space
just name it UANAL
Ven
Ven
oh shit, there's a guy on twitter called @reduceleft
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HE'LL FIGHT YOU, @rightfold!
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what a bastard
11:57
TIL that "driving school" is "isikole esifundisa ukushayela" in Zulu wtf
@Ven lol
@rightfold Polish your language!
@milleniumbug r u srs
@Jefffrey what is it in druggie Italian?
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@rightfold > @reduceleft
@MarcoA. iAnal
is there a formalized 'plaintext internet'?
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11:59
no
that sounded bad.
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