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01:00
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not sure how to phrase it any other way :(
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You see
there's a time of understanding
and a time of darkness
since your light is stuck orbiting a black hole, you're stuck in darkness
And we're all stuck with Lightness.
damn, I just realized that I just lost an hour.. DST started (CET)
01:04
that brings be back to DevC++
shit you're right
the clock changed
I thought I was crazy
and there I was like "ok this time I'll go to sleep earlier"
fuck this the universe is against me
Heyyyyy @AlexM.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is "mourning" just another way of saying "morning"?
@Nooble hiya
01:06
..no
@Jefffrey mourning is grief, or at least that is how I'd explain it
Alright then
I can see why you're confused though
Good mourning!
mourning dress seems pretty weird
01:07
mourning = the thing you do, morning = the time you do that thing (if you feel like, that is)
but those are the black dresses you see in funerals
@FilipRoséen-refp That's more confusing than just "grief"
But yeah, I got the idea.
Verb: mourning
  1. Present participle of mourn.
Noun: mourning (countable and uncountable, plural mournings)
  1. The act of expressing or feeling sorrow or regret; lamentation.
  2. The traditional clothes worn by those who mourn (in Western societies, typically coloured black).
  3. Drapes or coverings associated with mourning.
@Jefffrey surely.. but I'm afraid @LightnessRacesinOrbit will jump in and yell at me
@Jefffrey i like it
01:08
@Jefffrey mourning is when you dress in black and stop doing things because fuck logic
opinions on restricted friend?
@AlexM. wait what
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You like the term or..?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit people here stop doing things when mourning after someone's death
01:08
personally i feel like another design would be better in most cases
like, no music
well some of them, I know I wouldn't
@Blob what are you really asking?
yeah so what
01:09
they're sad
what the heck is a "restricted friend"?
what's illogical about that
I dunno, the fixed duration?
a friend where you restrict what members it may touch
they don't stop doing it when they stop being sad, they stop doing it when the mourning period ends
01:10
Here we do 1 minute of silence, and then go back to work
I guess
dynamic typing allows me to express my full creativity :3
@Blob after skimming through that proposal.. I'm not a fan
@Rapptz lol
it's like that religious thing
@AlexM. you can't get away with it forever
01:10
when you don't eat certain stuffs
during specific timeframes
@FilipRoséen-refp i'm not a fan of the proposal itself. not sure about the idea but i'm leaning away from it.
Let's hold a moment of silence for our dear friend @TonyTheLion.
it's not like that at all
god yeah where the fuck is @TonyTheLion
Oh yeah, where's tony?
ok man, it's not like that
it's not like it fucking happened in my family
01:11
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He left the Lounge because he felt like it was eating too much of his time.
Feb 23 at 10:05, by Lightness Races in Orbit
RIP Tony
so I know this place's traditions firsthand
Feb 23 at 10:05, by Tony The Lion
I have decided to no longer actively participate in here as much as I used to, so therefore I voluntarily give up my status as Room Owner. @Xeo, @R.MartinhoFernandes, @CatPlusPlus, @Rapptz, @FredOverflow and any other room owners I forgot.
Holy shit
Yeah, he forgot me :(
01:12
@AlexM. What, your family suddenly became religious and stopped eating certain stuffs during specific timeframes?
Are you kidding me
@AlexM. Sorry, I didn't realise. So yes you therefore are worthy of making the comparison! Continue.
@EtiennedeMartel lol
> last seen 34d ago
@EtiennedeMartel lol
01:12
Can't he come once in a while?
Guess I'm the only king of the jungle now.
reddit was taking up more than his time than the lounge
Did he drop it?
01:17
Yesterday YouTube recommended a song to me that I actually ended up liking.
It's the beginning of a new era.
ikr
Also, @Ell is gone until June or something.
I generally like what youtube recommends
unless Jefffrey makes me watch some creepy video
then I don't like what it recommends
01:23
So I just realized something. If multiple people are working on a project, and their coding styles conflict, what do you do?
you come up with one that everyone uses
You choose one. Neeeext.
youtube is like "oh he watched 1000 dubstep videos, I guess one dubstep recommendation is ok; oh he watched one creepy video BETTER FILL THE WHOLE PAGE WITH CREEPY VIDEOS QUICK SOMEONE GO TO THIS GUY'S WINDOW AT NIGHT"
I looked up the song and it was apparently top 40, sitting at #12.
However the most surprising part of it was that it's post-hardcore.
01:25
I remember that one time that I voluntarily watched a video about recognizing if a woman likes you. Then all the sudden the youtube homepage was all about "learn if she likes you", "learn if she betrayed you", "learn if she went to the toilet and washed her hands" and such.
lol going on youtube for life advice
I know.
YouTube is great for tradies videos
@Nooble agree on one what everyone use, or make all checked-in code have the same format (through something like clang-format or equivalent)
clang-format? RIP windows users
01:27
Not sure about personal advices though
I would hug tony all day
@Rapptz clang-format is included in the windows build package
He wouldn't probably like it, but still...
@FilipRoséen-refp Never been able to get it to work.
01:30
@Rapptz I'm not a windows user, so I haven't tried it myself, but from the resources I've found online it seems to work
I'll try it again now since I'm not much of a prude.
I'll report back.
I mean, I've even recommended it to some of my students and none of them came back claiming that it didn't work.. so I guess they got it working
@Rapptz Not much of a prude?
> Definitions of prude
noun
a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity.
"Ms Sheppard said: ‘People tend to think of the Victorians as prudes but this dress is quite revealing.’"
Prune + Rude
expand your horizons Jeff
I believe in you
01:32
> [TOP DEFINITION](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prude)
prude
a guy or girl who's afraid to do anything sexual or kinda shy around the opposite sex, but not a fag or a lesbo.
> All I do at work is Google how to do things, then modify the code I find on Stack Overflow. I don't feel like I'm actually programming. (self.learnprogramming)
2015 Programming
> a fag or a lesbo
lol
> synonyms: puritan, prig, killjoy, moralist, pietist;
informalgoody-goody
good·y-good·y
informal
noun
noun: goody-goody; plural noun: goody-goodies

1.
a smug or obtrusively virtuous person.
I like how link embedding works flawlessly in multines quotes
gg markdown
would you guys encourage the behaviour above?
reddit seems to
quite interested in this
01:35
What behaviour?
2 mins ago, by Rapptz
> All I do at work is Google how to do things, then modify the code I find on Stack Overflow. I don't feel like I'm actually programming. (self.learnprogramming)
no
What answer do you expect honestly?
lol the reddit thread will surprise you then
hell no I would not
dear lord
the reason I browse reddit is also because it surprises me
01:37
I'm not a professional developer so I don't know how normal this really is.
It sounds like cargo cult programming to me though.
> I employ developers. I really don't want them writing new code they could find already in libraries. I really don't want them working out problems already answered on stackoverflow. Be lazy, and DRY. What you're doing is right.
> I employ developers. I really don't want them writing new code they could find already in libraries. I really don't want them working out problems already answered on stackoverflow. Be lazy, and DRY. What you're doing is right.
oh wow
oh man
seriously
I bet this same mentality spawns the shit ton of support emails I get that only say "I call this function but it doesn't work!"
oh noes it doesn't work I'm fucking fucked because I can't do shit by myself
01:39
RIP programming
Wait are we that old already?
I'm 22, pretty old by my 10 year old self's standards
We are already the old fags that claim that writing in assembly is the only true way.
> How else would you learn these things?
How about I don't browse /r/programming ever again?
this is /r/learnprogramming
01:44
/r/cpp isn't bad. maybe because there's barely any content, though.
yeah, /r/programming is about what you have to do in those desperate moments when you can't find the answer on google
(panic)
time to fill the boredom in my heart with Rebirth
/r/shittyreactiongifs/ looks interesting actually
nvm, they're really shitty lol
best sub
it's funny
boy do I suck at graphics
My cube is half transparent and I have no idea why
01:53
it's funky
maybe but it's totally not what I need :P
when something like that happens when I work on a game I just build a new mechanic around it because it's interesting and I don't wanna spend time fixing it
Hey, speaking about graphics
What new mechanic? I mean, this is literally all I have
Would you recommend SFML for a group of teenagers who have never goded in C++ before but have reasonably good experience with Java?
01:54
there's a function that draws a grid of cubes
@AndyProwl no, I meant in general
oh, I see
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Q: sort speed c++ vs python

Nathan SchmidtSorting a list of ints in python 3 seems to be faster than sorting an array of ints in C++. Below is the code for 1 python program and 2 C++ programs that I used for the test. Any reason why the C++ programs are slower? It doesn't make sense to me. ----- Program 1 - python 3.4 ----- from time i...

Is the OP really not going to elaborate on anything
sometimes bugs can give you ideas
@Descrip I wouldn't recommend C++ for anyone who have never goded C++.
Good experience in Java means nothing in C++.
Repeat after me.
01:55
a for loop that iterates through a list of cubes and draws them one by one. The cube should form a bigger cube, which is the one in the picture. However that bigger cube is half transparent
I'm afraid this has something to do with some OpenGL setting I know shit about
@Jefffrey Okay, thanks
@AndyProwl Your normals are back to front.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The only primitive I am using is drawCube(center, size). The framework should take care of normals
@AndyProwl Well, you're using it wrong.
There's not much room for wrongness in that function call. The error must be somewhere else and I doubt it has to do with normals
02:00
@AndyProwl did you check stuff like this? opengl-tutorial.org/intermediate-tutorials/…
@AndyProwl That screenshot indicates a classic problem with normals.
But okay, as the guy who has "no idea" what the problem is, clearly you know best.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know it looks like one, but I'm quite sure it's not
@AndyProwl ok sorry
@AlexM. Yeah I do suspect it has to do with some depth buffer or how are those things called - I don't know my OpenGL
it's your fucking normals
02:04
@AndyProwl What framework are you using?
@DanielKO Cinder
@AndyProwl Draw the normals? Use an OpenGL debugger and check them?
and make sure to never admit it's the normals if it's the normals
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's quite sure it's not the normals. Don't suggest it's the normals.
at least not here in chat
02:06
The fact he has "no idea" what the problem is and "[doesn't] know [his] OpenGL" is of course irrelevant
oh, I never got to use Cinder, they only officially support windows, right?
it's not a lie if nobody knows the truth
ALWAYS REMEMBER
@DanielKO Windows and iOS
@LightnessRacesinOrbit (FWIW, I don't think it is)
oh, last I checked OSX support was experimental... good to know they made some progress
02:07
ok so I added this
gl::enableDepthRead();
gl::enableDepthWrite();
Now it works
(found in a tutorial example, no idea what it does)
dear lord... why isn't that default?
reminds me of how I lock the cursor to the middle of the screen in Unity
No idea
cursor.lock = true;
cursor.lock = false;
on each frame
NOT A NORMAL PROBLEM!
lol
02:08
you're making that up
@DanielKO lol, Cinder suxxors?
I swear I'm not making it up
but good job making up a pretend solution
Are SanDisk SSD's good?
You can try it if you want
02:08
@DemCodeLines yes/no/maybe
and stop fucking swearing
I found SanDisk SDSSDP-128G-G25 2.5" 128GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) for 49.99
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The ouput really looks like the depth buffer was not being used.
@R.MartinhoFernandes WHO ASKED YOU
02:09
if it works, it's good
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm a supernoob. I don't even know what the OpenGL debugger is nor how it works. I've never done anything with OpenGL directly.
if it breaks, it's only good for people for whom it doesn't break
and not for you
Well, are there a set of brands that are generally known as good?
Open ThankYou
02:10
I know Crucial is good for RAM, but idk about SSDs
@DemCodeLines with my luck, an Intel would break for me
I have a Kingston and it works fine
ok I'm done spamming the room
funkycraft
do it
you fixed your normals
good job
lol
fuck off it was not a problem with normals :D
02:11
c'mon LRiO, stop it
it's not... normal
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAH
GET OUT
:P
ok, after this astonishing achievement in the field of 3D graphics (draw a cube), I guess I can call it a night
stack overflow careers has no way to filter internships ;_;
don't forget to add "3d graphics programming" to your linkedin profile experience
or w/e you use for your CV
yep, good idea
good night everyone
02:15
I'm off too, I'm tired enough to have to move myself on the chair to stay awake
night
bye
What is "C/C++" and since when does it have a string class? — Lightness Races in Orbit just now
somebody should totally create a language called "C++/C" to add to the confusion
and it should be a mix of FORTRAN and Pascal
I am annoyed by a question about performance that compares unoptimized C++ to Python and comes to the conclusion that timsort makes python faster.
02:21
I'm annoyed that the OP didn't clarify anything, and then just accepted the answer and disappeared.
@Wintermute relax
it's basically impossible for something to necessarily be slower in C++ than in python
I am aware of that. It is still annoying.
@Mysticial, You might appreciate it.
OP should have checked his fucking normals.
yeah chris just linked it 5 minutes ago
but thx
Oh, sorry. didn't see that.
I am just running the benchmark with 10 million items. Python3 is still working.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so at least on MSVC the fix also invokes undefined behavior for the same reason you point out in your comment
@Rapptz "look at all those invalid programs I can make!"
why is python room 6 and C++ only 10?
:C
02:29
@Mgetz it's undefined behaviour because of the standard, not because of MSVC
@Blob this is not "C++"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh I figure, the issue is that the fix passes in nullptr as the first iterator value. Which is why I looked. I wanted to see what various implementations would do if begin() was a pointer.
if MSVC crashes though a comment on that bug would be welcomed
oh, you're talking about the fix, right
ok
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :P
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Which is correct: "This path is no directory" or "This path is not a directory"? Or are they both alright?
"This is not a moon" and "this is no moon" are both correct.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it does not for some reason. I would expect an access violation but I didn't get one
testing on coliru
02:35
"This path is no directory" is informal and shouldn't be used. unless you want your program to be badass
Just as I thought.
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Q: Why isn't my javascript returning the correct answer to Project Euler's Number One?

RazzakunI'm attempting to solve Project Euls Problem Number One using Javascript. I know this isn't the most eloquent solution however I do not understand why it does not work. I am taking the multiples of three, five under 1000 then storing them in two seperate arrays. I'm then adding the arrays togeth...

^ This does not bode well.
The reason I asked was because of this
somehow manages not to crash on any compiler
@LucDanton yeah but one sounds retarded
@NeilKirk it's not informal but somehow it doesn't fit here
the connotation isn't quite right
Lounge VCS is best VCS because I contributed to it :D
should'nt it be "This path does not refer to a directory"? :p
the answer in the python vs. c++ sort speed problem links to a "C++ implementation" that's actually C
:C
@melak47 that's good
02:40
@melak47 ENODIR
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's emphasis, no?
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't quite put it into words exactly but basically yeah
with an element of dramatism to it
I'm no average koala.
@R.MartinhoFernandes More obvious with an adjective, perhaps: 'this is no ordinary moon!'
@LightnessRacesinOrbit is that not understandable? You deceived the function!
> He is no programmer, I can tell you that much.
> Even Alf is no Vlad.
etc
02:44
@Nooble we have a VCS now? :p
Some guy came here and asked for help with his code.
And then asked if someone would be willing to help him with his "project" on skype.
Bartek says "fuck skype" and boom we made a repository.
@Nooble and his project was to make a LoungeVCS? o.O
02:47
@melak47 no, that was bartek's idea
he didn't have an idea at all
lol...
I need help with my project! what project? I dunno, you pick...
bartek and nooble agreed
he wanted someone to work on a project with him
02:48
@LucDanton valid in python!
4 hours ago, by Cody Richardson
so, where to start...using something like subversion?
good boy
it's okay gramps
He wanted a simple project :P
in C++, 4 hours ago, by orlp
why don't you guys write a simple OS with driver support
> /// Checkouts the whole working copy
oh brother
02:49
@Rapptz If the program is not invalid, there are easier ways to throw TypeErrors!
reinventing a car
truly a lounge project
you guys should make branches
you're all pushing to master like scrubs
but this car will be special. it will only drive in your driveway!
@Rapptz Hehe.
Should one self-host VCS software the same way a compiler can?
The guy barely did anything at all. It was like 75% Bartek, 20% Nooble, and 5% Cody.
02:51
Make it VCS combined with an issue tracker. Then track issues during development there.
Hmm let's see...
dat Makefile
you don't even have -Wall ffs
let alone -Wextra and -pedantic
My fault.
how does this thing even build. the makefile does no windows/linux distinction or anything
No clue.
Bartek does the Windows side.
I do the Unix side.
v0v
02:54
oh, well seems filesystem is not used by anything :p
It's a work in progress :)
I’m not gonna say it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There I added -Wall -Wextra and -pedantic.
We were doing the whole thing in here:

C++

Friendly conversation, including C++ talk — NOT the "Lounge"!
If you scroll all the way to the start, you'll see how confused the guy was with git.
does it have facebook and twitter integration yet?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 2mill over 2 years guaranteed is more my price
02:57
@DanielKO lol
@MomsAgainstGam you have made an enemy of anonymous. The wraith of God shall strike you down.
can't wait to meet "the wraith of God"
@Nooble no it was a few commits before that.
I did check ;p
@Nooble kk
Is MomsAgainstGaming a real thing?
can't tell
just been looking
seems like satire to me
They must be trolling.
Yep.

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