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9:00 AM
The only thing iffy I see is the tendency for languages to put this thing on a universal root Object
 
@райтфолд What should car.toString(); return? "Vroom vroom?"
 
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@StackedCrooked It should not exist.
 
user1804599
"toString" is too ambiguous.
 
user1804599
You could have toLanguageRepresentation which returns an AST that represents a construction of the object.
 
user1804599
Which is useful for debugging.
 
9:01 AM
It should be less ambiguous.
You should not exist. Or maybe you should be less ambiguous
 
I think we can all agree on that.
 
Anyone seeing the eclipse? Just clouds here.
 
user1804599
Mist.
 
I missed the eclipse in 1999. Actually, I didn't miss it because I was outside at the time, but I ignored it and thought it was just a cloud passing over.
5
 
@райтфолд That too
 
user1804599
9:03 AM
I don't understand git pull.
 
user1804599
Should I merge origin/foo into foo before merging into develop?
 
user1804599
Or merge origin/foo into develop directly?
 
user1804599
Also, I want --no-ff except for pulls.
 
so, my new floor is stellar
 
@райтфолд You're gonna abandon the project anyway so it doesn't really matter.
:P
 
9:08 AM
@StackedCrooked My high school arranged a trip to Munich for that one so we could see it where it was total.
 
Cool.
 
That was a pretty cool experience
 
The cooling effect of eclipse should be negligible.
:D
 
but yeah, it's cloudy here as well
 
Woo I just finished orchestrating my hypothetical strategy game theme!
(Let me waddle in my own hypothetical delight)
 
9:14 AM
BTW
who knows/played this game?
 
@Cinch nice duck
 
it's a great game.
 
@райтфолд pull is fetch+merge, HTH
 
that interface doe.
 
Crap, there seems to be spam on my feedback page.
 
9:15 AM
spent hours playing it
 
@райтфолд I personally prefer pull --rebase
 
@StackedCrooked why thank you
 
I hope this not gonna become a trend.
 
the colours were more eyefuckwitty in B&W
 
@StackedCrooked you just noticed
 
9:16 AM
Yeah.
 
@StackedCrooked starred because so oblivious it's funny
 
This never happened before.
 
It's too bad I can't -j4 for fl studio
 
And it's been up for two years or so.
 
@StackedCrooked u sure
 
9:17 AM
@StackedCrooked Erm. You never read it before
 
There's been lots of crap comments. But not commercial spam.
 
@Cinch like synth drums need multicore :P
@StackedCrooked oh that
interesting
 
@StackedCrooked Ah. "Commercial"
 
@BartekBanachewicz My theme is pretty dank frank
 
@BartekBanachewicz They are tapping in to whole new markets
 
9:17 AM
I'll post it here when it's done.
 
before to give advance warning (I mean, shortly before)
 
@Cinch dark frank?
Is that the name of a super hero?
 
@StackedCrooked No, dank frank.
No, remember that hacker strategy game I was talking to you about?
 
I still want to make it but it's probably not going to happen since college.
And then since the main theme is now done I have to now start EDM-ing it.
w/e
 
9:22 AM
TIL "EDM" is a verb
 
Oh cool. ~6 years after the bug report date LVM comes with an improvement that makes systems with large snaphots bootable redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2015-March/msg00022.html
 
TIL snapshot is a frozen system state.
 
@BartekBanachewicz TYL EDM can be verbed
@Cinch google, padawan
 
...
 
@Cinch In this case it's block device snapshots (volume snapshots in lvm speak)
 
9:23 AM
Is that like an OS feature? Or a VM feature?
It seems unlikely that a program could dump itself.
 
@Cinch way too many :|
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh you're a FF fan too?
 
1 min ago, by sehe
@Cinch google, padawan
It's not hard. Google LVM and you're all set
 
Interesting.
 
9:25 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Can you see it?
 
Time to upload Dank Frank theme.
 
@Cinch no, it's terrible
chinese animated games
 
@BartekBanachewicz FFXV looks... better.
 
does it still look like chinese animations
 
9:26 AM
@BartekBanachewicz It's Japanese, btw.
And I guess? I care mostly because it has nice music and interesting, colorful design.
 
@Cinch same thing
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol Japanese == Chinese=> false bro.
 
> Its largest 14-cylinder version is 13.5 metres (44 ft) high, 26.59 m (87 ft) long, weighs over 2,300 tonnes, and produces 80,080 kilowatts (107,390 hp).
 
You'd be insulting both by saying otherwise
 
@Cinch you're even worse at detecting trolling than me
 
9:28 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I do not troll and I pretend the trolls do not exist.
If I don't troll they don't troll me and if I'm too gullible to be affected, so be it--they fail trolling anyways.
Is it too heavily orchestrated?
 
Is it GPO?
 
is that even grammar
Actually I think 3:07 is pretty decent for a title theme.
 
Just say no.
 
Unfortunately it's the complete wrong genre of music for the game I have in mind.
 
Lose the timpanies doubling the melody the beginning. A good organ point has more effect. Also, the strings are "missing" in the mix when the piano enters the theme. (Try to be less "figurative" in melodic lines, especially the piano RH and subsequent string figuration suffers from this)
The timpanies work well when you use them in rhythmic complement.
 
9:35 AM
I don't understand what that means.
Organs do not work with the piece.
 
Hm I can't really see very much cos the damn thing is still bright. Should have acquired proper glasses.
 
@Cinch Wrong. And
13 mins ago, by sehe
@Cinch google, padawan
 
What does "figurative" mean to you?
 
tedelee, tedelee tedelee tedelee, leete-te, lee-te-te, lee-te-te, te-te-lee, deee----
 
Wtf is that.
 
9:38 AM
I was gonna say "Google, padawan"...
 
I'm really not convinced there's an eclipse going on
 
ugh what else do you think about the melody
 
I'm not sure what you're trying to tell in this piece
 
Let me explain the story:
 
at 0:55 where the deeper bass enters the melodic line continues to be rather light-ish
 
9:40 AM
@Cinch The structure is ok. Some of figuration goes bad (around 10nd bar into the piano Theme entry, there's a parallel 4ths movement with RH/LH that makes me cringe)
 
3 years ago, super secret corporate project takes 8 people and tries to virtual-ize them as bio-CPUs
 
is the Sun really only 400 times bigger than the Moon
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm actually happy with that.
 
well I have to say it's nice overall
 
The other incarnations and arrangements were darker.
Anyways the game would be named "Haven" after the main company within the game, "Haven Software Solutions"
 
9:41 AM
Well it's total now
On TV
 
Hehe Not in UK though
 
sounds more medieval than "software" TBH
 
From my window it looks totally normal
 
@BartekBanachewicz i know.
But the story is more dramatic rather than "techy"
 
9:42 AM
It's about a young software engineer that discovers the by-product of a dangerous virtualization project gone wrong and has basically been covered up... and then hackers steal it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz sounds "exploratory" ("conquerors of the earth") to me, not medieval (unless that equates to the same for you... )
 
Just for @AlexM.
 
The by-product, however, is a biochem intern that was lobotomized and is stuck in the virtual world.
 
@Cinch So what do you use to "render" the orchestration?
 
@sehe FL studio and MIDI
I actually just want to talk about the story lol.
 
9:45 AM
@Cinch keyboard? Everything synthed on PC?
 
@Cinch Short answer: no. I think it's fine (with the notes I already gave). You could explore a harp for the bright gingly accents that you gave to the piano for now (before the piano theme entry e.g.)
@Cinch I'll google it...
 
I want the piece to reflect the story of the game:
 
FL studio is one of the most popular sequencing software
 
@BartekBanachewicz (and expensive)
 
user1804599
I am happy.
 
9:46 AM
@Cinch pff, compared to "real" music software it's still p cheap IIRC
 
But the piece is supposed to say, "Hey, this is the dark side of the bright future with the human element."
The theme of the game is devoted to ethics and "the march of progress"
 
€100-250 isn't a lot at all
look at how much Pro Tools costs
 
Ugh.
I'm having trouble writing the middle part of the story, though.
 
user1804599
@sehe + merge what?
 
I recently split one character into two and it works fine but it's hard.
 
9:47 AM
well okay actually the prices seem to be more or less the smae
 
Eclipse sucks!
11
 
@FredOverflow Agreed.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow Install IntelliJ IDEA.
 
How do these names sound: Drake, Isa, Silas, Marcellus, Snyder, Christian, Esau, Sylvester, Reynold, and Sasha?
 
@райтфолд the remote branch
 
9:48 AM
Guess which one is the main character?
 
@FredOverflow good joke
 
@sehe Finally, someone gets it :)
 
what got broken in newest spotify?
 
it's even slower than the previous one as it seems
 
9:50 AM
@BartekBanachewicz eeeeeevrything
 
@FredOverflow I'm starring that
 
@BartekBanachewicz So how's the Marmalade thing going?
 
Guys
Shittiest eclipse ever
 
What eclipse? Haven't seen the sun in several days. Stupid fog and clouds.
 
@Cinch We're gonna roll out the themes tomorrow
 
9:53 AM
@BartekBanachewicz You mean when I have midterms? Oh joy.
Is text-based okay?
 
you gotta have priorities man
@Cinch yep
 
Well whatever I'm not going to win.
 
we're also having at least one guest participant from the JS room
@Cinch a text-based game won the 2nd jam
gameplay > graphics
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you still doing a dry run tomorrow?
 
Game concept: turn-based strategy game with a mission-based system that is driven by its story and is completely balanced for multiplayer as well and revolves around deploying units. Flavor in campaign involves unique scenarios (i.e. need to flip bits to 0 by attacking units to unlock a door) and story revolves around girl who was lobotomized and virtualized in a computer and whose incident was covered up and is then stolen by hackers.
 
9:55 AM
@Mr.kbok maybe today. Not many plans for the weekend yet
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, obviously today I can't
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hm, I won't make it. I haven't slept in days aaaaaand I'll probably won't have Internet, since I don't even know when I'll back at my place.
Also, my ISP told me that I'll get Internet on ~21st of April at my new place. wtf.
 
oh god
I'm moving next week I'll be without internet for days
 
Xeo
mobile internet
scrub!
 
@Xeo I don't believe in your mobile interweb!
 
9:59 AM
@Xeo Not fast enough. House of cards is 800mb per episode now
 
shit I have to talk to my ISP about connecting my new flat
we've drawn lines for the power outlets on the walls today
thankfully they are mostly in right spots, they just have to be moved up :S
 
Since you guys liked the last one so much, here's the main theme for the protagonist.
(For dual pianos)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you getting a flat built?
 
10:15 AM
@Cinch I'll google it... (hint: piano duo, piano a due, or just "two pianos")
 
@sehe Oh just stop already.
 
user1804599
I am going to write my parser as a single regex.
 
@sehe Did you listen to it?
 
@Cinch I'm listening to it. That tempo change feels a bit artificial
I can guess you used a copy/paste/generator tool to enter some of the events, and played the important theme elements on the midi controller
 
@Cinch Quite repetitive. And the non-repetitive part isn't that interesting.
 
10:17 AM
@Zeta Yup. I need to improve it so I thought of adding an additional part later.
 
The chord in the lower piano at 1:42 seems... gone wrong
 
@sehe Hm.. probably but it's directly translated from the orchestral piece I think.
 
@sehe I thought that was intended.
 
I'll need to turn it into a better solo piece with embellishments but those are hard to just do.
 
@Cinch You mean the thing you posted earlier? Yeah, there were a few fuck up moments there too (didn't hear the relation though :))
 
10:19 AM
@sehe No, there's an orchestral version I have sitting around.
 
@Zeta No doubt. To me it sounds like "oops"
@Cinch So informative
 
@sehe I'll post it too. It's produced from the same MIDI anyways.
 
@Cinch You could also use different volumes on both pianos. Move the accompaniment in the musical background, it should support the melody, not squash it into the musical mud.
 
@Cinch I think the embellishments are a pitall. It's actually closely related to the pitfall of typing before thinking. It's uch more important to know what you are trying to say. The embellishments are always... minor
 
@Zeta Nah, the theme actually loops midway and lacks a lot of embellishment.
@sehe No, what I mean is to redo the phrasing and the dynamics.
 
Xeo
10:21 AM
Oh nice, Rust has 'trait objects' - automatically generated interfaces for traits. I wanted that for C++ concepts :<
 
@Zeta Gee. I see you're into constructive feedback
 
Like, here's an example of a better piece I have:
 
@Cinch Ah.
 
It's from a very simple melody but I iterated.
From 0:27 on that melody drives almost the entire piece.
 
@sehe Not sure if that's a bad thing. I try to save my harsh criticism for other moments.
 
10:24 AM
@Mr.kbok redone from ground up.
 
*sigh*. I really need to learn musical terms in English.
 
I'm going to move my photos to Flickr
 
It sucks if you know exactly what you want to say, but you have no idea what that's called in the other language.
 
is there any reason I shouldn't?
besides selling my private data to yet another company
 
 
10:31 AM
My new pet chickens video:
 
@chmod711telkitty Don't feed the dinosaurs.
 
wtf a guy just randomly requested access to my coverity scan
> New user registration to project: AlexMDevelopment/DinkPlusPlus

Name: meshal
Email: mmeshal18@gmail.com
Role: Defect Viewer
Info:
Click here to approve or reject
even I forgot the repo still exists
 
What is coverity scan?
 
a static analysis tool
 
10:48 AM
Are you using Coverity? I heard it's pretty expensive.
 
"Find and fix defects in your Java, C/C++
or C# open source project for free"
 
GCC 5.0 is already on wandbox
 
@StackedCrooked it's free for open source
you link it to github repos
 
error: no matching function for call to 'accumulate(<brace-enclosed initializer list>, bool, std::logical_and<bool>)'
what the hell
oh fuck me
no please tell me it's not happening
god
 
Xeo
wat
 
10:51 AM
Brace-enclosed initializer list have no type.
Scott repeated that like 5 times in one of his talks. :D
 
@Griwes irrelevant
 
Xeo
sscce or bust
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you sure? Because that looks exactly like that. :P
 
seriously, which one of you fuckers is Morgan Cunningham
 
me
 
10:52 AM
auto vals = { true, false, true };
std::cout << std::boolalpha << std::accumulate(vals.begin(), vals.end(), true, std::logical_and<bool>());
^ this works
but I forgot that there are no ranges in stdlib
 
Yeah, because vals is an initializer_list.
 
it's so hilariously pathetic I don't even
 
Xeo
std::logical_and<>, scrub
 
@Xeo right
 
But even if there were ranges, and you wrote std::accumulate({ true, false, true }, ..., it would not compile for the aforementioned reason.
 
10:53 AM
@Griwes what
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Morgan Cunnilingham?
 
Xeo
2 mins ago, by Griwes
Brace-enclosed initializer list have no type.
(i.e., there's no deduction for them)
(apart from the broken auto rule)
 
Pfft. Your mom has no class
 
@Xeo so I'd need to write std::accumulate(std::initializer_list<bool>{true, false}, ...?
or std::accumulate<std::initializer_list<bool>>({true, false}, ...
 
Xeo
10:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz yes, or just have a real container there and not some scratchpad-initlist.
 
@Xeo I don't need / want a container
I want to act on an ad-hoc list of values
is that too much
 
Xeo
alias_t<bool[]>{a, b, c}
 
Question: How bad of an insult is it to say: "Hey, I could've pulled the plug when you were in a coma. You don't deserve the right to reject my help for one single problem."
 
It's pretty bad bud
 
lol wtf
 
10:56 AM
seriously if you have to jump through such hoops to do what's all function in haskell there's something seriously wrong with your language
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz blabla
 
Okay good because that's what I want to make my bad guy say before the final fight of the game.
 
Xeo
just write your own all vOv
 
10:56 AM
@Cinch is your game a soap opera?
 
@Xeo yes, and after that another half of standard library. Puh-lease.
 
because it sounds like that
you know, lame and shit
 
it's embarassing.
 
Xeo
40 secs ago, by Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz blabla
 
@AlexM. It's programming + software + AI + hackers + lfie destroyed + dead people + people.
 
Xeo
10:57 AM
we already know that C++'s stdlib is seriously underwhelming at times
no need to reiterate that.
 
btw today is this nonsense:
The International Day of Happiness is celebrated throughout the world on the 20th of March. It was established by the United Nations General Assembly on 28 June 2012. Assembly Resolution A/RES/66/281 states in pertinent part: The General Assembly,[…] Conscious that the pursuit of happiness is a fundamental human goal,[…] Recognizing also the need for a more inclusive, equitable and balanced approach to economic growth that promotes sustainable development, poverty eradication, happiness and the well-being of all peoples, Decides to proclaim 20 March the International Day of Happiness, Invites...
 
The focus of the plot is an advanced AI named Isa... (who's actually a human girl who was screwed over and kept on a server when her exp. thing went sour. she was a biochem intern at the company and she tried to get ahead and they killed her body)
 
so be happy okay
@Cinch "advanced"
 
The main "antagonist" of the game is the guy who kept her and another guy alive and prevented everyone else from pulling their plug when almost everyone else died.
 
I'll just chain the values with &&
 
10:59 AM
@Cinch expatriated thing?
 
At the end of the game, she's going to leave and screw him over and the company because they KILLED people and ruined her life and stole 3 years from her and she'll never get her body back.
@AlexM. No, she's virtualized.
 
I thought she was abstract, ok
 
Hence virtualized reality-ish (visualization) turn-based strategy game.
 
well be sure to include fanservice and sex
 

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